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On ESPN some baseball analyst was comparing Derek Jeter's career to those "cheaters" such as Bonds, Ramirez and almost every baseball player and then says that Jeter is as clean as they come. I call bullshit. No one was clean in the last 20 years. The fact the pitchers were all juiced means he had to not only be an exceptional hitter but the greatest hitter ever to accumulate his stats as a "natural" against all of these juiced pitchers.
Oh yes, this shit again.
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I call bullshit too.
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On ESPN some baseball analyst was comparing Derek Jeter's career to those "cheaters" such as Bonds, Ramirez and almost every baseball player and then says that Jeter is as clean as they come. I call bullshit. No one was clean in the last 20 years. The fact the pitchers were all juiced means he had to not only be an exceptional hitter but the greatest hitter ever to accumulate his stats as a "natural" against all of these juiced pitchers.
Oh yes, this shit again.
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On ESPN some baseball analyst was comparing Derek Jeter's career to those "cheaters" such as Bonds, Ramirez and almost every baseball player and then says that Jeter is as clean as they come. I call bullshit. No one was clean in the last 20 years. The fact the pitchers were all juiced means he had to not only be an exceptional hitter but the greatest hitter ever to accumulate his stats as a "natural" against all of these juiced pitchers.
Oh yes, this shit again.
Prove it.
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I'm a Yankee hater but I believe he's clean.
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I'd be very suprised if so.
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Jeter never had those "Freak Seasons" that all the juiced guys like Caminitti ,Palmiero, Bagwell, Brady Anderson, Nomar had. They would be 15-20 homer guys that are suddenly putting up 40-50 hr seasons. He's been around a LONG time and has stayed amazingly consistent and healthy, but no major spike in power numbers. I think he's clean, like I said..THINK, because nobody knows what anybody does behind closed doors...pro or con.
Also if he was on "the list" they would have outed his ass by now, believe that.
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Jeter never had those "Freak Seasons" that all the juiced guys like Caminitti ,Palmiero, Bagwell, Brady Anderson, Nomar had. They would be 15-20 homer guys that are suddenly putting up 40-50 hr seasons. He's been around a LONG time and has stayed amazingly consistent and healthy, but no major spike in power numbers. I think he's clean, like I said..THINK, because nobody knows what anybody does behind closed doors...pro or con.
Also if he was on "the list" they would have outed his ass by now, believe that.
Great post. Of course we all need to have the skepticism about anyone in baseball over that last few decades, but Jeter doesn't fit any of the criteria. People just want him to be on it.
I agree totally with Groink that if he was on the list, those who spilled would've definitely included him. In fact, he would be the most damaging of any name on that list.
On another note, he also has the best celebrity hit list going right now.
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The only way would be to DNA test his sperm, and it spoiled in your colon, aahaha.
For the record, I did not know BerzerkFury was on the hit list when I mentioned it above.
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Jeter never had those "Freak Seasons" that all the juiced guys like Caminitti ,Palmiero, Bagwell, Brady Anderson, Nomar had. They would be 15-20 homer guys that are suddenly putting up 40-50 hr seasons. He's been around a LONG time and has stayed amazingly consistent and healthy, but no major spike in power numbers. I think he's clean, like I said..THINK, because nobody knows what anybody does behind closed doors...pro or con.
Also if he was on "the list" they would have outed his ass by now, believe that.
No they woulden't. First, the courts just ruled that the goverment should not have taken "the list" and second the newspaper industry is dying, and that list will sell papers for years. There are 100 other names on that list, which may never come out now.
A few years back everyone said A-Rod was natural too ::)
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I just don't see how he was co clean when his whole clubhouse was juiced to the fucking gills
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If Jeter's name is on the list it would have come out by now.
But the angry Roid Sox fans can keep believing he's as roided up as their heroes.
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If Jeter's name is on the list it would have come out by now.
But the angry Roid Sox fans can keep believing he's as roided up as their heroes.
Ha-ha, did you create that name from A-Roid, the Yankee? Wouldn't you say what you said is a tad hypocritical? A-Rod, Giambi, Clemens - etc ::)
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On ESPN some baseball analyst was comparing Derek Jeter's career to those "cheaters" such as Bonds, Ramirez and almost every baseball player and then says that Jeter is as clean as they come. I call bullshit. No one was clean in the last 20 years. The fact the pitchers were all juiced means he had to not only be an exceptional hitter but the greatest hitter ever to accumulate his stats as a "natural" against all of these juiced pitchers.
Oh yes, this shit again.
Every professional athlete (baseball, football, soccer, hockey, boxing and even tennis and golf) is on some kind of performance enhansing drug. If people don't understand this then they need a reality check and a good one at that.
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I will be really really surprise if Jeter's name ever come out as a user, He's the new (only) Yankee's poster boy, they will even try to make him MVP this year even when you have guys with better numbers in the team .
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babe ruth put up numbers that no else approached while he played and he did it on a diet of hot dogs beer and cigars. imagine the bambino on juice. he hit 60 hrs when no other team cobined to hit that many, that's right the whole team. lou gehrig, hank greenburg , jimmie foxx another drunkard who all put up amazing numbers on god-given talent alone. please tell me that phat albert is not a juicer.
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On ESPN some baseball analyst was comparing Derek Jeter's career to those "cheaters" such as Bonds, Ramirez and almost every baseball player and then says that Jeter is as clean as they come. .
Oh yes, this shit again.
What I dont really get is why they keep saying this one is clean when you cant trust anyone in MLB.
I know guys like Nixon,Varitek,Soriano,Damon...were on something.
And you have the nerve to tell me that about 8 years ago when there was a battle of who was the best shortstop between Nomar,A-Rod,Jeter and Tejada they all but Jeter were users ? Jeter wasnt even better than Arod as short stop yet Rodriguez was moved to 3rd base! Jeter might get away with everything after all !! The Captain of the Yankees!
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I just don't see how he was co clean when his whole clubhouse was juiced to the fucking gills
By this rationale, nobody was clean. Yankees weren't any different than any other team.
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No they woulden't. First, the courts just ruled that the goverment should not have taken "the list" and second the newspaper industry is dying, and that list will sell papers for years. There are 100 other names on that list, which may never come out now.
A few years back everyone said A-Rod was natural too ::)
A rod is a power hitter with unprecedented numbers, he will eventually break the record
Jeter is a contact hitter with a little pop, guys like him have been around since forever. he's just a great one.
He's been a 15-20 homer guy since day one, nothing has changed. back in the late 90's and early 2000's when use was rampant, slap hitters were getting 30 homers a year...not Jeter.
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I will be really really surprise if Jeter's name ever come out as a user, He's the new (only) Yankee's poster boy, they will even try to make him MVP this year even when you have guys with better numbers in the team .
That depends on what numbers you're looking at. If you get away from the "show me" stats like RBI and such, you can easily make a case for Jeter being the most valuable on his team. It's Mauer's to lose anyway.
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babe ruth put up numbers that no else approached while he played and he did it on a diet of hot dogs beer and cigars. imagine the bambino on juice. he hit 60 hrs when no other team cobined to hit that many, that's right the whole team. lou gehrig, hank greenburg , jimmie foxx another drunkard who all put up amazing numbers on god-given talent alone. please tell me that phat albert is not a juicer.
I allready gave 25 reasons why Ruth woudnt hit 200 Hrs had he play this era.
Only 2 or 3 pitchers trowing over 90 mphs, only curves and fast balls, each pitcher had to play the whole game (even if it was extra innings with a dead arm)only club house with full time ballplayers were the Yankees,no blacks or latinos were allowed to play,etc,
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Ha-ha, did you create that name from A-Roid, the Yankee? Wouldn't you say what you said is a tad hypocritical? A-Rod, Giambi, Clemens - etc ::)
Clemens was a Red COCK too, as was Manny...Big fat retarded Papi.....
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That depends on what numbers you're looking at. If you get away from the "show me" stats like RBI and such, you can easily make a case for Jeter being the most valuable on his team. It's Mauer's to lose anyway.
What about Robinson cano and Texeira? has Jeter been more valuable than these 2 really? Jeter is all hype!
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What about Robinson cano and Texeira? has Jeter been more valuable than these 2 really? Jeter is all hype!
What's your definition of valuable? A productive shortstop is more valuable to his team than a productive first or second baseman.
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/statistics/sortable/index.php?cid=204031
Anyway, an .867 OPS from a SS is hardly all hype.
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What about Robinson cano and Texeira? has Jeter been more valuable than these 2 really? Jeter is all hype!
Texeria is the fucking man this year for the Yankees.
That dude has stepped up to the plate, no pun intended
The Red Sox are fucking homosexual douchebags who sniff each other's balls in the locker room
PS NO ONE is stopping the Yankees this year... they are a fucking Juggernaut
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Clemens was a Red COCK too, as was Manny...Big fat retarded Papi.....
Great argument. Awesome contrabution. To bad you couldn't write with your crayons on the board. I'll buy your retarded argument to play along.... that still leaves the biggest cheat of all time, A-Rod. Like I said, any Yankee fan talking shit about steroids is a hypocritical shitbag from some craphole in NY :)
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Clemens was a Red COCK too, as was Manny...Big fat retarded Papi.....
Dont make this a Red Sox vs Yankee thread.
When Clemen left the sox in the early 90's he didnt win more than 10 games in a single season for the last 4 or 5 seasons when he went to the Jays and Yankees something 'wonderfull" happened.
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Great argument. Awesome contrabution. To bad you couldn't write with your crayons on the board. I'll buy your retarded argument to play along.... that still leaves the biggest cheat of all time, A-Rod. Like I said, any Yankee fan talking shit about steroids is a hypocritical shitbag from some craphole in NY :)
Why is ARod any bigger a cheat than Oritz, Ramirez, Bonds, Giambi, Velarde, Anderson, Palmeiro.........Canseco ..?
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Why is ARod any bigger a cheat than Oritz, Ramirez, Bonds, Giambi, Velarde, Anderson, Palmeiro.........Canseco ..?
Because he's a Yankee ::) ::)
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What's your definition of valuable? A productive shortstop is more valuable to his team than a productive first or second baseman.
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/statistics/sortable/index.php?cid=204031
Anyway, an .867 OPS from a SS is hardly all hype.
Thats why they have an award called "GOLD GLOVE" no one has ever won a MVP based on his deffensive performance.
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Ha-ha, did you create that name from A-Roid, the Yankee? Wouldn't you say what you said is a tad hypocritical? A-Rod, Giambi, Clemens - etc ::)
Haha, good job deleting your post that you directed at me. Butthurt Red Sux fans crack me up. It's funny, when I called it years ago that Manny, Papi and other Red Sux were juiced you flipped out and denied it. And then what happens? The two sluggers that won Boston their World Series both test positive. L-O-L.
Dollars to donuts there are at least another half a dozen juiced Red Sux players.
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Why is ARod any bigger a cheat than Oritz, Ramirez, Bonds, Giambi, Velarde, Anderson, Palmeiro.........Canseco ..?
When did I say he was? I'm saying that Yankees fans who make comments about sox players (or any players) who take steriods are hypocritcal, shitheads.
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Thats why they have an award called "GOLD GLOVE" no one has ever won a MVP based on his deffensive performance.
You're not grasping the concept. It's not about Gold Gloves. It's about excellent production from the most important infield position. Anyway, like I said, a .867 OPS is nothing to sneeze at. From a SS, it's amazing, and extremely rare.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Value_over_replacement_player
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Haha, good job deleting your post that you directed at me. Butthurt Red Sux fans crack me up. It's funny, when I called it years ago that Manny, Papi and other Red Sux were juiced you flipped out and denied it. And then what happens? The two sluggers that won Boston their World Series both test positive. L-O-L.
Dollars to donuts there are at least another half a dozen juiced Red Sux players.
It wasn't deleted by me "big man". Also, why do you lie so much, hahahaha. You can't show one scrap of evidence to back up your claims. More of the "I start for UConn" lies that you tell. Did you play with Darius Butler?
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Because he's a Yankee ::) ::)
Wrong. Can you read? Did you see what I wrote? I said that Yankees fans like you who talk about others teams and steroids are hypocritical. The Yankees pioneered steroids in the MLB. Read the Mitchel report. Everyone is on shit. Sox, Yanks, Pirates - etc...
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When did I say he was? I'm saying that Yankees fans who make comments about sox players (or any players) who take steriods are hypocritcal, shitheads.
Ok. I took this quote as you saying he was:
that still leaves the biggest cheat of all time, A-Rod.
But, yes, I agree with your take on pretty much everything drug related in sports, except Jeter.
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When did I say he was? I'm saying that Yankees fans who make comments about sox players (or any players) who take steriods are hypocritcal, shitheads.
Kind of like Sox fans who make comments about Yankees players? You know, like how your two biggest sluggers who were HUGE parts of your World Series run (as evidenced by the fact that Boston sucks without them knocking 50 out of the park each year) BOTH tested positive? Nice job self-owning yourself, you "hypocritical shithead".
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When did I say he was? I'm saying that Yankees fans who make comments about sox players (or any players) who take steriods are hypocritcal, shitheads.
UMM...when you said "biggest cheat of all time" ::) ::)
Ball-licker
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This cracks me up. You can easily make the argument that Boston would never have won a WS without Manny or Ortiz batting like they did. Boston's wins hinge on the cheating actions of two scumbags.
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Kind of like Sox fans who make comments about Yankees players? You know, like how your two biggest sluggers who were HUGE parts of your World Series run (as evidenced by the fact that Boston sucks without them knocking 50 out of the park each year) BOTH tested positive? Nice job self-owning yourself, you "hypocritical shithead".
BF...you wouldn't be implying that Bodyhard (ha) likes to put pine tar on his penis and take a few swings at his boyfriend's ass....would you?
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BF...you wouldn't be implying that Bodyhard (ha) likes to put pine tar on his penis and take a few swings at his boyfriend's ass....would you?
The guy's a riot. He has a gigantic mancrush on the Red Sox and Patriots players. He would fuck Tom Brady if he could. Kind of pathetic.
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The guy's a riot. He has a gigantic mancrush on the Red Sox and Patriots players. He would fuck Tom Brady if he could. Kind of pathetic.
Typical Boston fan, they go apeshit over their fucking teams. I like the yankees, Jets, Giants but i really could give a fuck whether they win or lose at the end of the day.
These tools live and breathe "their" teams.
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Typical Boston fan, they go apeshit over their fucking teams. I like the yankees, Jets, Giants but i really could give a fuck whether they win or lose at the end of the day.
These tools live and breathe "their" teams.
Haha, exactly. Let's not forget their obsession with all thing New York sports as well. Talk to any Yankees/Giants/whatever fan. Do the Sux or Patriots ever come up? No. The first thing Red Sux fans ALWAYS talk about are the Yanks. They live their shitty lives vicariously through their sports teams.
What's even more pathetic is how he avoided any thread about the fact that the two best sluggers that Boston has had over the last 10 years both tested positive and are no better than A-Rod. He probably cried himself to sleep while spooning his pillow for a week or two.
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Body88's never been hypocritical when it comes to steroid use in sports. He knows players on all teams used, and most likely still do.
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I allready gave 25 reasons why Ruth woudnt hit 200 Hrs had he play this era.
Only 2 or 3 pitchers trowing over 90 mphs, only curves and fast balls, each pitcher had to play the whole game (even if it was extra innings with a dead arm)only club house with full time ballplayers were the Yankees,no blacks or latinos were allowed to play,etc,
ruth would be way over 100 years old of course he would have trouble hitting 200 homers now. but why couldn't anyone else hit them like the babe back in the day. and take into account how ballparks shrunk to accomidate the powerhitters, chicks dig the longball. look at shiti field and how 10 homeruns lead the mets in homers contrast with yankee stadium now homers are flying out of that place.
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Who cares? Baseball sucks.
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If by some miracle Jeter is and was clean then he can be regarded as the best player in history. The fact that all of the peers they compared him to were on juice means that he was far superior than anyone in time. Even all of the pitchers that he brutalized while being natural. Yeah fucking right.
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If by some miracle Jeter is and was clean then he can be regarded as the best player in history. The fact that all of the peers they compared him to were on juice means that he was far superior than anyone in time. Even all of the pitchers that he brutalized while being natural. Yeah fucking right.
There were plenty of good players not on steroids during the era. Mariano Rivera would be another dominant player I would guess was clean.
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NEGRO PLAYERS CHEATS THE MOST
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If by some miracle Jeter is and was clean then he can be regarded as the best player in history. The fact that all of the peers they compared him to were on juice means that he was far superior than anyone in time. Even all of the pitchers that he brutalized while being natural. Yeah fucking right.
Well power numbers are the biggest red flag for juicers.
Like i said Jeter's been a 15-20 homer guy for 16 years straight...nothing special for a SS.
He never had a major power jump up like virtually every notable player in the steroid era. So either he's clean or has been juicing from day one and has the worst response to steroids of all MLBers :P :P
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I allready gave 25 reasons why Ruth woudnt hit 200 Hrs had he play this era.
Only 2 or 3 pitchers trowing over 90 mphs, only curves and fast balls, each pitcher had to play the whole game (even if it was extra innings with a dead arm)only club house with full time ballplayers were the Yankees,no blacks or latinos were allowed to play,etc,
Ruth is a natural...He would have adapted with no problem...He is Tony Gwenn with much much more power...Throw a guy like Ruth in a batting cage with a machine that throw 105 miles an hour and he would have been on top of it within a couple days...The scary thing about Ruth is, just imagine what he would have been like if he actually took it serious...
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One of my closest friends, we grew up together, known him my whole life. He played ball for the Rockies for 5 years...hurt his knee and that was that.
Point being, I asked him once, "How many of the guys use anything, half?" Half was my guess.
His answer "All of them...maybe a few don't but I don't know who they are."
He said it was no secret, everyone was pretty open about it, it's in the locker room and talked about daily. He said about the time he stopped playing though, that was about the time the witch hunt really got going, he said then it did start becoming a little more of a taboo topic but "in house" it was still talked about as much as ever.
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Body88's never been hypocritical when it comes to steroid use in sports. He knows players on all teams used, and most likely still do.
Thanks Grape Ape. Bfury used to tell us all how he was a starting lb on UConn, aahha. Posted pictures, the whole nine. All lies (just like his claims against me). Grionk is just some attention whore who used to smoke crack. Those guys wasted about 10 posts in this thread on me. Oh brother, time to step away from the keyboard "tuff guys".... ;) :)
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QFMFT
It's silly to argue the known. :)
Every professional athlete (baseball, football, soccer, hockey, boxing and even tennis and golf) is on some kind of performance enhansing drug. If people don't understand this then they need a reality check and a good one at that.
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Look at what Jeter is currently SMASHING!
(http://obsessedwithsports.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/minka-kelly.jpg)
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he makes his money from his body.
so he invest a few hundred bucks to make a few million thorugh increased performancee.
no big deal.
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Look at what Jeter is currently SMASHING!
(http://obsessedwithsports.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/minka-kelly.jpg)
We'll need to let him off the hook then ;)
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Thanks Grape Ape. Bfury used to tell us all how he was a starting lb on UConn, aahha. Posted pictures, the whole nine. All lies (just like his claims against me). Grionk is just some attention whore who used to smoke crack. Those guys wasted about 10 posts in this thread on me. Oh brother, time to step away from the keyboard "tuff guys".... ;) :)
I never smoked crack ???
another dildo who plays the "obessed" card after he gets owned
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Ruth is a natural...He would have adapted with no problem...He is Tony Gwenn with much much more power...Throw a guy like Ruth in a batting cage with a machine that throw 105 miles an hour and he would have been on top of it within a couple days...The scary thing about Ruth is, just imagine what he would have been like if he actually took it serious...
Keep dreaming ......
speaking of batting machines I went with Manny Ramirez to one of those machine about 10 years ago in NY he was drunk he said that he was only gonna hit balls (pull) 10 to the right 10 to the center and 10 to the left he just did that ! we were 4 guys (3 MLB lebel except for me) trying to hit the ball at same speed at manny we could only hi foul balls !!! LOL talk about talent.
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Ruth is a natural...He would have adapted with no problem...He is Tony Gwenn with much much more power...Throw a guy like Ruth in a batting cage with a machine that throw 105 miles an hour and he would have been on top of it within a couple days...The scary thing about Ruth is, just imagine what he would have been like if he actually took it serious...
Like I said bfore when Ruth was around most pitchers had other jobs besides being ball players, the Yankees were the first team to have their full roster of full time baseball players....... just think about it today u have at least 6 pitchers in each team (close to 30 teams) that throws over 90 mph....
most HRs of the Bambino were fast balls less than 80 mph (since they only had fast balls and curves back then and that was it) . Piece of cake even for a minor leaguer by today standars.
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On ESPN some baseball analyst was comparing Derek Jeter's career to those "cheaters" such as Bonds, Ramirez and almost every baseball player and then says that Jeter is as clean as they come. I call bullshit. No one was clean in the last 20 years. The fact the pitchers were all juiced means he had to not only be an exceptional hitter but the greatest hitter ever to accumulate his stats as a "natural" against all of these juiced pitchers.
Oh yes, this shit again.
I'll buy that he's clean. No real stand out numbers, always consistent, relatively injury free throughout his career (which is usually the biggest giveaway if you pay attention)
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I'll buy that he's clean. No real stand out numbers, always consistent, relatively injury free throughout his career (which is usually the biggest giveaway if you pay attention)
Yes but both Palmeiro and Tejada spent less days in dissable list than Jeter.
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Yes but both Palmeiro and Tejada spent less days in dissable list than Jeter.
Over their careers? Links?
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Like I said bfore when Ruth was around most pitchers had other jobs besides being ball players, the Yankees were the first team to have their full roster of full time baseball players....... just think about it today u have at least 6 pitchers in each team (close to 30 teams) that throws over 90 mph....
most HRs of the Bambino were fast balls less than 80 mph (since they only had fast balls and curves back then and that was it) . Piece of cake even for a minor leaguer by today standars.
So you don't believe in evolution...Wake up...You been watching to many slo/mo video's of the guys from yesteryear...Wade Boggs is/was a fucking mess(look what he did)...So was many guys who played MLB...Hell Pete Ross never touched a weight in his life and look what he could do...Bottom line is Ruth was a natural hitter period...So was Ted Williams...You want to take those guys from their era and put them up against guys from this era...It just doesn't work that way...Evolution doesn't work that way...Progression is what happens...Tiger Woods isn't better then Jack Nicklaus, he just progressed from Jacks era...Take a look at the X-games...Some of the guys who are unbelievable at some of the stunts are only good because of what was shown to them and what was possible...Some of these kids are the weakest athletes know to man but seen someone do something and took and ran with it....
Bottom line is Babe Ruth would have smoked todays pictures because he was that good of an athlete...You may not like what he looked like but let me tell you something, he wouldn't have looked like that in this day and age...You apparently think natural ability is made in the weight room and you are sadly mistaken...
Guys like you are the reason Goose Gossage doesn't get his due...You just don't understand reality when it comes to athletics...Roger Clemans late in his career could barely hit 90 on any gun yet Billy Wagner who looks like he never touched a weight in his life is blowing the gun up even after TGsurgury...
I bet your the same guy who says they make better churches and homes today the yesteryear... :-\
Tony Hawk is an example of a guy caught between era's of evolution...The man is the best skateboarder that ever lived...However he can't do what the kids today can do...But there is no doubt that if this guy was in him prime, he would be blowing up the homos that have over taken him...If you can't see this then I don't know what to say... :-\