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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: GroinkTropin on September 11, 2009, 09:35:10 AM
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So I'm running ECA but have some stubborn fat on my legs and thinking of adding yohimbine to the mix. It's supposed to help in that area. Questions are what kind of yo is best and at what dosages? Does adding the yo mean I should lower my doses of anything else? Just running 1 1/2 bronk and 1 vivarin twice daily with aspirin here and there.
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yohimbine hcl ... i know primaforce makes a good cheap one..
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What dosage?
Oh and my sodium is low and I have genetically low blood pressure which in addition to hitting the sauna daily keeps my water retention and blood pressure fairly low so no worries on mixing these. I am not taking any AAS.
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i dont know. google "optimal yohimbine doseage for alpha response" or something along those lines. something should pop up. i think that the primforce is dose pretty good per capsulke, if i remember right... so take two ;) :D
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seriously dude, clen + t3 + keto
and stop eating at mcdonalds
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Also i think in a few years someone will figure out that ephedrine is really bad for your heart.
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clen is okay but ephedrine is bad for heart? and when clen is combined with t3? lmao...clen has been shown to be bad for the heart. ephedrine never has. although any stimulant would be at least a bit.
also, t3+keto is a horrible idea. do you understand basic metabolism, kreps cycle, atp? keto is fine for a normal metabolic rate, with weekly or twice weekly carb ups. not when someone is on t3 or dnp or anything thats going to speed up the metabolic processes and double or triple the rate atp is produced.
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dude i'm talking about ketotifen fumarate, not ketosis. no kidding that would be a bad idea. also it's the krebs cycle, not kreps. but now that you mention it, also take the old version of hydroxycut. you can always get a replacement liver from china. like $5k max.
damn dude epic miscommunication
clen is okay but ephedrine is bad for heart? and when clen is combined with t3? lamo...clen has been shown to be bad for the heart. clen never has. although any stimulant would be at leats a bit.
also, t3+keto is a horribel idea. do you understand basic metabolism, kreps cycle, atp? keto is fine for a normal metabolic rate, with weekly or twice weekly carb ups. not when someone is on t3 or dnp or anything thats going to speed up the metabolic processes and double or triple the rate atp is produced.
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No clen thank you.
I'm wondering if I should lower my Eca to like 1bronkaid 1/2 vivarin twice daily and get in a good dose of yo with it. I see a lot of conflicting advice online though concerning yo dosage so I'm really unsure on it. I know lipo black uses 4.5 mgs of it. Maybe I should take my full dose of eca in the morning and a full dose of lipo black in the afternoon? Instead of using the eca twice daily. Hmm..
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i remember i took lipo 6 and it made me feel exhausted all day and unable to sleep. i don't know if they fixed that with lipo black, but damn dude, i wouldn't do lipo 6 again
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lmao aglifter my bad dude. ketotifen is cool although i think clen works best if you deal with the downregulation on your own, and take a high dose every 2 to 3 days. leaving more than double the time off in between each dose to ensure optimal effectiveness. krebs, my spellinhg error.
No clen thank you.
I'm wondering if I should lower my Eca to like 1bronkaid 1/2 vivarin twice daily and get in a good dose of yo with it. I see a lot of conflicting advice online though concerning yo dosage so I'm really unsure on it. I know lipo black uses 4.5 mgs of it. Maybe I should take my full dose of eca in the morning and a full dose of lipo black in the afternoon? Instead of using the eca twice daily. Hmm..
at this point you should not lower your eph and caffiene. your body gets used to both quickly. and you are probably already used ot the doseage you are taking. stims require constant cycling or constant ramping of dose.
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lmao aglifter my bad dude. ketotifen is cool although i think clen works best if you deal with the downregulation on your own, and take a high dose every 2 to 3 days. leaving more than double the time off in between each dose to ensure optimal effectiveness. krebs, my spellinhg error.
at this point you should lower your ehp and caffiene. your body gets used to both quickly. and you are probably already used ot the doseage you are taking. stims require constant cycling or constant ramping of dose.
I only went back on a few days ago.
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Yo tbombz do you know anything about HGH frag 176-191. Does this shit actually work? I can't find any reliable information on it. I think it might just be a bunch of BS, but if it works, that would be awesome.
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hadnt heard of it till you metnioned it. quick search seems it gets good feedback and it seems it was found by monash university. exerts fat loss effects only. .
fro what i know most of the gh frags and gh secretagogues do work as they say they do (in term of effecting gh release and what not) however most people expect too much from those effects.
if youve got experience with gh aand related peptides and know what to expect, then youd probably like most of those peptides like 176-191
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i figure it would work, it will just take a long time, maybe 3-6 months like gh
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yohimbine hcl ... i know primaforce makes a good cheap one..
thats the one i take.
good stuff
bench
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thats the one i take.
good stuff
bench
It's certainly affordable. What would be a good dosing schedule? I don't like to take stims before cardio as my cardio is intense enough with sprints uphill and what not. Could I take the yo before my cardio and eca twice daily after perhaps? Like 5mgs yo hcl and then cardio, eat breakfast then take my eca stack followed by a second dose 5 hours later. Would 5mgs daily be enough yo to help harden my legs?
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It's certainly affordable. What would be a good dosing schedule? I don't like to take stims before cardio as my cardio is intense enough with sprints uphill and what not. Could I take the yo before my cardio and eca twice daily after perhaps? Like 5mgs yo hcl and then cardio, eat breakfast then take my eca stack followed by a second dose 5 hours later. Would 5mgs daily be enough yo to help harden my legs?
you could take it before cardio, but if you do cardio first thing in the morning you will be rocking a yohimbine boner all day. i always take mine after i work out.
bench
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you could take it before cardio, but if you do cardio first thing in the morning you will be rocking a yohimbine boner all day. i always take mine after i work out.
bench
It's effective post workout? That would be ideal to me. I hate having anything in my system when i do sprints. I'm afraid of stressing my heart.
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Hmm what I am reading is saying insulin blunts the fat burning properties so taking before cardio would be ideal. What dose do you guys think? I weigh 215 right about now. I'm thinking of starting 5mgs yo hcl before morning cardio and uppind the dosage to 20mgs over a few days to asses sensitivity. Would it be safe to take if I am doing high intensity cardio?
Dosing
Studies have concluded that the ideal dosing for Yohimbine is .2mg/kg (11) -- this would be 20mg for a 220lb person (0.09 mg/lb of body weight). Studies using smaller dosages have produced less favorable results. At this level, little to no side effects have been reported (Keep in mind, this is with Yohimbine HCl, not the yohimbe herb). Another thing to be considered when using yohimbine is that insulin completely blunts its lipolytic effects, thus it should ideally be used on a low-carb/ketogenic diet, or at the very least, first thing in the morning on an empty stomach, followed by moderate aerobic activity for an extended period.
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It's certainly affordable. What would be a good dosing schedule? I don't like to take stims before cardio as my cardio is intense enough with sprints uphill and what not. Could I take the yo before my cardio and eca twice daily after perhaps? Like 5mgs yo hcl and then cardio, eat breakfast then take my eca stack followed by a second dose 5 hours later. Would 5mgs daily be enough yo to help harden my legs?
Ephedrine/ephedra and yohimbine/yohimbe should never be combined. If you’re not
already reasonably lean to begin with, yohimbe won’t be of much use to you anyway. The body will take fat off from the most readily accessible areas first and stubborn fat is stubborn for a reason.
Additionally, yohimbe, especially the herbal form, can cause all kinds of weird side-effects.
People often report a combination of sweats and chills along with a feeling that their heart is going to
come out of their chest when they exercise (yohimbe also improves blood flow to the genitals which
can lead to some potential embarrassment at the gym; it does not, contrary to popular belief, affect
testosterone levels).
Finally, yohimbe is best used prior to aerobic activity although it still might have an effect for a lean dieter doing a crash diet without aerobics.
Again, you should NEVER mix EC and yohimbe; in fact, you shouldn’t take them within about 4 hours of one another. The reason is that the side effects of each will multiply and both blood pressure and heart rate can really jump. If you decide to use yohimbe (the yohimbine HCL form is the better choice; less side
effects) the effective dose would be 0.2 mg yohimbe per kilogram of bodyweight or about .1 mg per
pound consumed with 100-200 mg of caffeine. This would be taken 30-60 minutes before low intensity
aerobics (preferably first thing in the morning before eating). So a 150 lb dieter would
get just under 15 mg of yohimbe. As with EC it’s a good idea to start with a half-dose to assess your
tolerance. If you are also using the EC stack, your doses should be taken no closer than 4 hours to the
dose of yohimbe/caffeine. So you could do a yohimbe/caffeine combo at 7am prior to morning
aerobics and take EC at noon and 4 pm.
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=192652.msg2676568#msg2676568
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Ephedrine/ephedra and yohimbine/yohimbe should never be combined. If you’re not
already reasonably lean to begin with, yohimbe won’t be of much use to you anyway. The body will take fat off from the most readily accessible areas first and stubborn fat is stubborn for a reason.
Additionally, yohimbe, especially the herbal form, can cause all kinds of weird side-effects.
People often report a combination of sweats and chills along with a feeling that their heart is going to
come out of their chest when they exercise (yohimbe also improves blood flow to the genitals which
can lead to some potential embarrassment at the gym; it does not, contrary to popular belief, affect
testosterone levels).
Finally, yohimbe is best used prior to aerobic activity although it still might have an effect for a lean dieter doing a crash diet without aerobics.
Again, you should NEVER mix EC and yohimbe; in fact, you shouldn’t take them within about 4 hours of one another. The reason is that the side effects of each will multiply and both blood pressure and heart rate can really jump. If you decide to use yohimbe (the yohimbine HCL form is the better choice; less side
effects) the effective dose would be 0.2 mg yohimbe per kilogram of bodyweight or about .1 mg per
pound consumed with 100-200 mg of caffeine. This would be taken 30-60 minutes before low intensity
aerobics (preferably first thing in the morning before eating). So a 150 lb dieter would
get just under 15 mg of yohimbe. As with EC it’s a good idea to start with a half-dose to assess your
tolerance. If you are also using the EC stack, your doses should be taken no closer than 4 hours to the
dose of yohimbe/caffeine. So you could do a yohimbe/caffeine combo at 7am prior to morning
aerobics and take EC at noon and 4 pm.
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=192652.msg2676568#msg2676568
"So you could do a yohimbe/caffeine combo at 7am prior to morning
aerobics and take EC at noon and 4 pm."
This was what I was considering. BUT you are saying not to use any before HIT cardio? Like my uphill sprints...Oh and my bf is getting low. MY lower abs are pronounced and coming out daily. Im guessing I am around 10-12 % somewhere.
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Hmm I could structure like on days I do HIIT cardio take the YO after my session, on days I will be walking I will take it before hand. This works. ECA at 4pm.
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be careful with Yohimbe, that shit makes my heart go crazy
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BUMP
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seriously, you're gonna die son
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It's certainly affordable. What would be a good dosing schedule? I don't like to take stims before cardio as my cardio is intense enough with sprints uphill and what not. Could I take the yo before my cardio and eca twice daily after perhaps? Like 5mgs yo hcl and then cardio, eat breakfast then take my eca stack followed by a second dose 5 hours later. Would 5mgs daily be enough yo to help harden my legs?
dont worry too much about the timing of these things. just dont take it at night, that way you can get to sleep. digestion rates are tricky things and they vvary from day to day form person to person. you couild take it pre cardio but it probably wouldnt be exerting any effect untill after yoru cardio. just take it when its convenient.
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Y supposedly works best taken on an empty stomach.
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Vitamin shoppe has the good one (mentioned somewhere in this thread can't remember what it's called) for 12 bucks for the 2.5 mgs. I'm going to get it after work and run 10mgs twice daily with a 200mg caffeine tablet. Hope it works! ECA is making me look wirey which I hate. Ephedrine makes me feel all sucked up.
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what about that yohimbine spray that you spray on your body and rub it in?
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I am impressed with the results but NOT how I feel AT ALL. Near zero carbs and 20 mgs of yo and 400mgs of caffeine daily works phenomanal but i can't think and I feel like GARBAGE. Yuck. I experimented today with this regimen
7am 10mgs yo hcl 200mgs caffein
11am 1 & 1 1/2 bronkaid
12pm 200 mgs caffeine
at 4pm im going to take the other 10mg yo
All day mostly all chicken and nuts. Had a slice of wheat break earlier and that's really it for carbs. Im getting some fat off i had NEVER been able to but man I feel like shit...I took the day off from training. Im sore and not recovering well. Tomorrow I'm back at it! I'm hoping to be 195 in 2 weeks or so. I started at 217 a few weeks ago. Sitting at 208ish. Strength is steady, I'm lifting about the same when I go so don't think I'm losing muscle. Puke. F*** uphill sprints they are the devil!!!!!!!
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Wait- can I just take my 20mgs of YO first thing in the morning? Say with half a vivarin? And then pop my ephedrine later in the day? I thought you had to split the dose but you can take the full 20mgs as one dose? Has anyone tried this?
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methyl its the ketosis diet making you feel shitty
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methyl its the ketosis diet making you feel shitty
I hate it! But it's the only diet that works for me. So since nobody is saying anything I'm going to try 15mgs of yo HCL and 100mgs caffeine tom morning before cardio. Then up it to 20 if I'm ok. Run eca later in the day two doses. Thoughts anyone?
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As far as Epehdra, goes, you could run, 25 mg, if you have a real high tolerance, go 50mg.With Caffeine go 300 mg, 350mg tops, then no more then 100 mg of Aspirin.Now Yohimbe, if its real HCL you need 12-16 mg tops, 15 mg is optimum dosage.
You have to watch you Yohimbe because it can make you jittery, and make you feel weird.
To make this stack really crank do this
25 mg Of Ephedra,
75mg Of Synephrine
100 mg of Caffeine
15mg of Yohimbe
then add 20mg of ginger to raise your body temperature
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As far as Epehdra, goes, you could run, 25 mg, if you have a real high tolerance, go 50mg.With Caffeine go 300 mg, 350mg tops, then no more then 100 mg of Aspirin.Now Yohimbe, if its real HCL you need 12-16 mg tops, 15 mg is optimum dosage.
You have to watch you Yohimbe because it can make you jittery, and make you feel weird.
To make this stack really crank do this
25 mg Of Ephedra,
75mg Of Synephrine
100 mg of Caffeine
15mg of Yohimbe
then add 20mg of ginger to raise your body temperature
Wait are you saying take the ephedra and yo at the same time? I have no synephrine- only bronkaid caffeine and yo HCL 2.5 mg pills from prima force.
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Anybody ever found something that came close to Syntrax' Adipokinetix?
That shit was the bomb.
I was never as ripped in my life while using that.
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Anybody ever found something that came close to Syntrax' Adipokinetix?
That shit was the bomb.
I was never as ripped in my life while using that.
Find something with usnic acid online and you're set! Dnp does the same thing. Not sure if there are any others on the market.
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Anybody ever found something that came close to Syntrax' Adipokinetix?
That shit was the bomb.
I was never as ripped in my life while using that.
http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/species/lipolyze.html
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Amazing stuff. I have seen some incredible progress since starting. I am running it 10mgs 30 min before cardio and 10mgs at the start of my morning cardio on empty stomach. I ditched the caffeine they don't mix well at that dose. After I eak breakfast no carbs. Next meal has some carbs and after it's 1 1/2 bronkaid and 1/2 vivarin. About 2 hours later repeat. Amazing. I'm losing fat I have never been able to get off. I went from 212 to 207 to 203 (today this morning) in the last week and a half. Lifted last night and I am getting STRONGER as compared to when I started losing weight 6 weeks ago @ 225 lbs. Negatives are the crappy feeling from no carbs and it's kinda hard to piss. BUt man every time I wake up and see myself in the mirror I see daily progress. Awesome.