ECAY dosages?

[GroinkTropin]

So I'm running ECA but have some stubborn fat on my legs and thinking of adding yohimbine to the mix. It's supposed to help in that area. Questions are what kind of yo is best and at what dosages? Does adding the yo mean I should lower my doses of anything else? Just running 1 1/2 bronk and 1 vivarin twice daily with aspirin here and there.

[tbombz]

yohimbine hcl  ... i know primaforce makes a good cheap one..

[GroinkTropin]

What dosage?

Oh and my sodium is low and I have genetically low blood pressure which in addition to hitting the sauna daily keeps my water retention and blood pressure fairly low so no worries on mixing these. I am not taking any AAS.

[tbombz]

i dont know. google "optimal yohimbine doseage for alpha response" or something along those lines. something should pop up.  i think that the primforce is dose pretty good per capsulke, if i remember right... so take two     

[aglifter]

seriously dude, clen + t3 + keto

and stop eating at mcdonalds

[aglifter]

Also i think in a few years someone will figure out that ephedrine is really bad for your heart.

[tbombz]

clen is okay but ephedrine is bad for heart? and when clen is combined with t3? lmao...clen has been shown to be bad for the heart. ephedrine never has. although any stimulant would be at least a bit.

also, t3+keto is a horrible idea. do you understand basic metabolism, kreps cycle, atp?  keto is fine for a normal metabolic rate, with weekly or twice weekly carb ups.  not when someone is on t3 or dnp or anything thats going to speed up the metabolic processes and double or triple the rate atp is produced.

[aglifter]

dude i'm talking about ketotifen fumarate, not ketosis.  no kidding that would be a bad idea.  also  it's the krebs cycle,  not kreps.  but now that you mention it, also take the old version of hydroxycut.  you can always get a replacement liver from china.  like $5k max.

damn dude epic miscommunication

clen is okay but ephedrine is bad for heart? and when clen is combined with t3? lamo...clen has been shown to be bad for the heart. clen never has. although any stimulant would be at leats a bit.

also, t3+keto is a horribel idea. do you understand basic metabolism, kreps cycle, atp?  keto is fine for a normal metabolic rate, with weekly or twice weekly carb ups.  not when someone is on t3 or dnp or anything thats going to speed up the metabolic processes and double or triple the rate atp is produced.

[GroinkTropin]

No clen thank you.

I'm wondering if I should lower my Eca to like 1bronkaid 1/2 vivarin twice daily and get in a good dose of yo with it. I see a lot of conflicting advice online though concerning yo dosage so I'm really unsure on it. I know lipo black uses 4.5 mgs of it. Maybe I should take my full dose of eca in the morning and a full dose of lipo black in the afternoon? Instead of using the eca twice daily. Hmm..

[aglifter]

i remember i took lipo 6 and it made me feel exhausted all day and unable to sleep.  i don't know if they fixed that with lipo black, but damn dude, i wouldn't do lipo 6 again

[tbombz]

lmao aglifter my bad dude.  ketotifen is cool although i think clen works best if you deal with the downregulation on your own, and take a  high dose every 2 to 3 days. leaving more than double the time off in between each dose to ensure optimal effectiveness. krebs, my spellinhg error.

No clen thank you.

I'm wondering if I should lower my Eca to like 1bronkaid 1/2 vivarin twice daily and get in a good dose of yo with it. I see a lot of conflicting advice online though concerning yo dosage so I'm really unsure on it. I know lipo black uses 4.5 mgs of it. Maybe I should take my full dose of eca in the morning and a full dose of lipo black in the afternoon? Instead of using the eca twice daily. Hmm..

at this point you should not lower your eph and caffiene. your body gets used to both quickly. and you are probably already used ot the doseage you are taking.  stims require constant cycling or constant ramping of dose.

[GroinkTropin]

lmao aglifter my bad dude.  ketotifen is cool although i think clen works best if you deal with the downregulation on your own, and take a  high dose every 2 to 3 days. leaving more than double the time off in between each dose to ensure optimal effectiveness. krebs, my spellinhg error.


at this point you should lower your ehp and caffiene. your body gets used to both quickly. and you are probably already used ot the doseage you are taking.  stims require constant cycling or constant ramping of dose.

I only went back on a few days ago.

[aglifter]

Yo tbombz do you know anything about HGH frag 176-191.  Does this shit actually work?  I can't find any reliable information on it.  I think it might just be a bunch of BS, but if it works, that would be awesome.

[tbombz]

hadnt heard of it till you metnioned it. quick search seems it gets good feedback and it seems it was found by monash university. exerts fat loss effects only. .

fro what i know most of the gh frags and gh secretagogues do work as they say they do (in term of effecting gh release and what not) however most people expect too much from those effects.

if youve got experience with gh aand related peptides and know what to expect, then youd probably like most of those peptides like 176-191

[aglifter]

i figure it would work, it will just take a long time, maybe 3-6 months like gh

[benchmstr]

yohimbine hcl  ... i know primaforce makes a good cheap one..

thats the one i take.

good stuff

bench

[GroinkTropin]

thats the one i take.

good stuff

bench

It's certainly affordable. What would be a good dosing schedule? I don't like to take stims before cardio as my cardio is intense enough with sprints uphill and what not. Could I take the yo before my cardio and eca twice daily after perhaps? Like 5mgs yo hcl and then cardio, eat breakfast then take my eca stack followed by a second dose 5 hours later. Would 5mgs daily be enough yo to help harden my legs?

[benchmstr]

It's certainly affordable. What would be a good dosing schedule? I don't like to take stims before cardio as my cardio is intense enough with sprints uphill and what not. Could I take the yo before my cardio and eca twice daily after perhaps? Like 5mgs yo hcl and then cardio, eat breakfast then take my eca stack followed by a second dose 5 hours later. Would 5mgs daily be enough yo to help harden my legs?

you could take it before cardio, but if you do cardio first thing in the morning you will be rocking a yohimbine boner all day. i always take mine after i work out.

bench

[GroinkTropin]

you could take it before cardio, but if you do cardio first thing in the morning you will be rocking a yohimbine boner all day. i always take mine after i work out.

bench

It's effective post workout? That would be ideal to me. I hate having anything in my system when i do sprints. I'm afraid of stressing my heart.

[GroinkTropin]

Hmm what I am reading is saying insulin blunts the fat burning properties so taking before cardio would be ideal. What dose do you guys think? I weigh 215 right about now. I'm thinking of starting 5mgs yo hcl before morning cardio and uppind the dosage to 20mgs over a few days to asses sensitivity. Would it be safe to take if I am doing high intensity cardio?

Dosing

Studies have concluded that the ideal dosing for Yohimbine is .2mg/kg (11) -- this would be 20mg for a 220lb person (0.09 mg/lb of body weight). Studies using smaller dosages have produced less favorable results. At this level, little to no side effects have been reported (Keep in mind, this is with Yohimbine HCl, not the yohimbe herb). Another thing to be considered when using yohimbine is that insulin completely blunts its lipolytic effects, thus it should ideally be used on a low-carb/ketogenic diet, or at the very least, first thing in the morning on an empty stomach, followed by moderate aerobic activity for an extended period.

[Princess L]

It's certainly affordable. What would be a good dosing schedule? I don't like to take stims before cardio as my cardio is intense enough with sprints uphill and what not. Could I take the yo before my cardio and eca twice daily after perhaps? Like 5mgs yo hcl and then cardio, eat breakfast then take my eca stack followed by a second dose 5 hours later. Would 5mgs daily be enough yo to help harden my legs?

Ephedrine/ephedra and yohimbine/yohimbe should never be combined.  If you’re not
already reasonably lean to begin with, yohimbe won’t be of much use to you anyway.  The body will take fat off from the most readily accessible areas first and stubborn fat is stubborn for a reason.
Additionally, yohimbe, especially the herbal form, can cause all kinds of weird side-effects.
People often report a combination of sweats and chills along with a feeling that their heart is going to
come out of their chest when they exercise (yohimbe also improves blood flow to the genitals which
can lead to some potential embarrassment at the gym; it does not, contrary to popular belief, affect
testosterone levels).

Finally, yohimbe is best used prior to aerobic activity although it still might have an effect for a lean dieter doing a crash diet without aerobics.

Again, you should NEVER mix EC and yohimbe; in fact, you shouldn’t take them within about 4 hours of one another. The reason is that the side effects of each will multiply and both blood pressure and heart rate can really jump.  If you decide to use yohimbe (the yohimbine HCL form is the better choice; less side
effects) the effective dose would be 0.2 mg yohimbe per kilogram of bodyweight or about .1 mg per
pound consumed with 100-200 mg of caffeine. This would be taken 30-60 minutes before low intensity
aerobics (preferably first thing in the morning before eating). So a 150 lb dieter would
get just under 15 mg of yohimbe. As with EC it’s a good idea to start with a half-dose to assess your
tolerance. If you are also using the EC stack, your doses should be taken no closer than 4 hours to the
dose of yohimbe/caffeine. So you could do a yohimbe/caffeine combo at 7am prior to morning
aerobics and take EC at noon and 4 pm.








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[GroinkTropin]

Ephedrine/ephedra and yohimbine/yohimbe should never be combined.  If you’re not
already reasonably lean to begin with, yohimbe won’t be of much use to you anyway.  The body will take fat off from the most readily accessible areas first and stubborn fat is stubborn for a reason.
Additionally, yohimbe, especially the herbal form, can cause all kinds of weird side-effects.
People often report a combination of sweats and chills along with a feeling that their heart is going to
come out of their chest when they exercise (yohimbe also improves blood flow to the genitals which
can lead to some potential embarrassment at the gym; it does not, contrary to popular belief, affect
testosterone levels).

Finally, yohimbe is best used prior to aerobic activity although it still might have an effect for a lean dieter doing a crash diet without aerobics.

Again, you should NEVER mix EC and yohimbe; in fact, you shouldn’t take them within about 4 hours of one another. The reason is that the side effects of each will multiply and both blood pressure and heart rate can really jump.  If you decide to use yohimbe (the yohimbine HCL form is the better choice; less side
effects) the effective dose would be 0.2 mg yohimbe per kilogram of bodyweight or about .1 mg per
pound consumed with 100-200 mg of caffeine. This would be taken 30-60 minutes before low intensity
aerobics (preferably first thing in the morning before eating). So a 150 lb dieter would
get just under 15 mg of yohimbe. As with EC it’s a good idea to start with a half-dose to assess your
tolerance. If you are also using the EC stack, your doses should be taken no closer than 4 hours to the
dose of yohimbe/caffeine. So you could do a yohimbe/caffeine combo at 7am prior to morning
aerobics and take EC at noon and 4 pm.








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"So you could do a yohimbe/caffeine combo at 7am prior to morning
aerobics and take EC at noon and 4 pm."

This was what I was considering. BUT you are saying not to use any before HIT cardio? Like my uphill sprints...Oh and my bf is getting low. MY lower abs are pronounced and coming out daily. Im guessing I am around 10-12 % somewhere.

[GroinkTropin]

Hmm I could structure like on days I do HIIT cardio take the YO after my session, on days I will be walking I will take it before hand. This works. ECA at 4pm.

[tendonitis]

be careful with Yohimbe, that shit makes my heart go crazy

[GroinkTropin]

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