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My vote: yes
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Haha - not in a million years.
Against the likes of David Henry and Flex Lewis he wouldn't have a cat in hell's chance.
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Haha - not in a million years.
Against the likes of David Henry and Flex Lewis he wouldn't have a cat in hell's chance.
Sad but true.
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Haha - not in a million years.
Against the likes of David Henry and Flex Lewis he wouldn't have a cat in hell's chance.
Flex Lewis is 'better' than Frank Zane? I'm still scratching my head over that one.
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Flex Lewis is 'better' than Frank Zane? I'm still scratching my head over that one.
Flex Lewis is bigger and more shapely at that weight than Frank Zane could ever be. Zane only ever had great conditioning, (which is fine) but this is bodybuilding - no-one wants to see a 180lb physique standing onstage.
If competing in his late 20's/early 30's today, Frank Zane wouldn't even qualify for his pro card.
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Flex Lewis is bigger and more shapely at that weight than Frank Zane could ever be. Zane only ever had great conditioning, (which is fine) but this is bodybuilding - no-one wants to see a 180lb physique standing onstage.
If competing in his late 20's/early 30's today, Frank Zane wouldn't even qualify for his pro card.
sad but true 2
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A 90% David Henry will smoke Zane. Different Eras.............Zane doesn't even look like a "bodybuilder" for today's standards.
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You cant even compare , if zane was competing today you can bet he would be carrying more muscle , not a bloated monster more but a good 20 -30 pounds more.
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You cant even compare , if zane was competing today you can bet he would be carrying more muscle , not a bloated monster more but a good 20 -30 pounds more.
LOL...well im sure all the other competitors really appreciated Frank holding back
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LOL...well im sure all the other competitors really appreciated Frank holding back
Chick how would you rate Frank Zane as a bodybuilder?
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all pros from Zane's day smoke the big gutted, shapeless grotesques of today
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all pros from Zane's day smoke the big gutted, shapeless grotesques of today
X2
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LOL...well im sure all the other competitors really appreciated Frank holding back
Do you feel he achived his max potential? As far as aesthetic size goes...
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LOL...well im sure all the other competitors really appreciated Frank holding back
Chick, I think WG means that Zane would have access to far crazier drugs than back in his day
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LOL...well im sure all the other competitors really appreciated Frank holding back
Mass monsters ruined this "sport" Chick..Bodybuilding was formed on The three S's Size , Shape and Symetery..you as athletes rep should be pushing more for this , it would stop alot of the dangerous pratices that are currently in practice, what these guys of today have to do just to get a look in is down right disgusting
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Chick, I think WG means that Zane would have access to far crazier drugs than back in his day
Yup ;) But zane being zane would never lose sight of condition wins , but he would be bigger doing away with the "swimmers build" tag he seems to have gathered..zane with condition and an extra 20-30 pounds would look amazing.
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all pros from Zane's day smoke the big gutted, shapeless grotesques of today
x3 million.. 8)
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Chick how would you rate Frank Zane as a bodybuilder?
Winning 3 Olympia's pretty much sums it up...one of the best
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Not in the Micheal Phelps era of swimmers
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Chick, I think WG means that Zane would have access to far crazier drugs than back in his day
Trust me, they had access to plenty....all real, and a time when no one gave a shit. Zane was never one of the bigger guys, and wouldnt have been with todays stuff. There is a reason he was nicknamed the Chemist
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everybody wants lo be livin the dream, there is more competition today, more competitors willing to do things competitors of earlier eras wouldn't even have considered
all drugs
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everybody wants lo be livin the dream, there is more competition today, more competitors willing to do things competitors of earlier eras wouldn't even have considered
all drugs
They considered everything and anything that was available to them....as if there was some sort of moral compass with these guys...LOL
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Trust me, they had access to plenty....all real, and a time when no one gave a shit. Zane was never one of the bigger guys, and wouldn't have been with todays stuff. There is a reason he was nicknamed the Chemist
there is contention as to why he was named 'Chemist'
1) he was VG with useage of vitamins/nutrients
2) he was nonpareil at using aas
and yes
the stuff was real, noone cared
he may not have been biggest of bb's today, but bigger than 185-190 at which he won his O's
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They considered everything and anything that was available to them....as if there was some sort of moral compass with these guys...LOL
are you saying juice is immoral? :D
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Haha - not in a million years.
Against the likes of David Henry and Flex Lewis he wouldn't have a cat in hell's chance.
Ditto.
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are you saying juice is immoral? :D
Not all all, especially then...point was, to illustrate that it's absurd to think that these guys had access, but decided to only take "2 dbol" a day...as if guided by some conscience or higher authority....
They took everything under the sun, and only didnt take what they have today becuase it wasnt invented yet
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Not all all, especially then...point was, to illustrate that it's absurd to think that these guys had access, but decided to only take "2 dbol" a day...as if guided by some conscience or higher authority....
They took everything under the sun, and only didnt take what they have today becuase it wasnt invented yet
I went to a gym seminar in 1980, held right after Arnolds Olympia robbery, featuring drug doctor Michael Walczak, MD
He intimated that Arnold and Franco were the first to use HGH
supplied by him
note arnold's gap in front teeth, ala Haney et al
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Not all all, especially then...point was, to illustrate that it's absurd to think that these guys had access, but decided to only take "2 dbol" a day...as if guided by some conscience or higher authority....
They took everything under the sun, and only didnt take what they have today becuase it wasnt invented yet
Zane didn't exactly look like a megadoser, so if he did, he didn't respond well?
and the new inventions wouldn't have helped him if he did it today?
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Zane didn't exactly look like a megadoser, so if he did, he didn't respond well?
and the new inventions wouldn't have helped him if he did it today?
as far as exercise
there are no 'new inventions'
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LOL...well im sure all the other competitors really appreciated Frank holding back
X2...also it's funny people assume that if Zane was on a modern drug regimen he wouldn't be sporting a gut just like a lot of guys. Is he special?
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Bah! Fools...even today Zane would own the shapless lumps of oil that currently populate an IFBB stage!
Im sure if Doom were reading this ...he would dissaprove.
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Trust me, they had access to plenty....all real, and a time when no one gave a shit. Zane was never one of the bigger guys, and wouldnt have been with todays stuff. There is a reason he was nicknamed the Chemist
Great pt, Zane beat the pack that was the stage in the late 70's.
What made Zane specal was his unique look at the lighter body wt compared to other pros at that time.
The sad reality is that the sport of BB had a lot less drug problems when NOBODY cared about "it" as a problem.
Despite what some may think, as you know BOB, my "issue " with drugs has always been the LEGAL and PR issues of steroid use. In my book, the only sensible thing to do, is make personal steroid use LEGAL and make it a NON issue that is just one part of hardcore BB and /or contests.
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Not all all, especially then...point was, to illustrate that it's absurd to think that these guys had access, but decided to only take "2 dbol" a day...as if guided by some conscience or higher authority....
They took everything under the sun, and only didnt take what they have today becuase it wasnt invented yet
You don't know this!
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You don't know this!
Actually, I do, as I've talked with many of the superstars of that era...as well as being close friends with a few.
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Actually, I do, as I've talked with many of the superstars of that era...as well as being close friends with a few.
You weren't there and besides you can't believe half the shit they speak anyway, case in point "Super Bullshitter Franco".
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You weren't there and besides you can't believe half the shit they speak anyway, case in point "Super Bullshitter Franco".
Well, since none of us were "there"....I guess we'll ahve to rely on COMMON SENSE...which dictates that no one "back in the day", with full access to legit gear, no black market to speak of, and the drive to WIN bb shows, was content to sit back, take 2 dbol and let the chips fall where they may...
How niave can you be, seriously?
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They considered everything and anything that was available to them....as if there was some sort of moral compass with these guys...LOL
EXACTLY !!!!!
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the guys who do beleive they only took a few dianabol and one shot of prima every few weeks stand out as not being bodybuilders.... all of us who do train seriously and have competed know how the bodybuilding mind set is...
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who is flex lewis>?
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Well, since none of us were "there"....I guess we'll ahve to rely on COMMON SENSE...which dictates that no one "back in the day", with full access to legit gear, no black market to speak of, and the drive to WIN bb shows, was content to sit back, take 2 dbol and let the chips fall where they may...
How niave can you be, seriously?
About as niave as to think one can actully just waltz into pharmacies in Cali, and pick up Humalog with nothing but bulging biceps and "good intentions." ::)
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Well, since none of us were "there"....I guess we'll ahve to rely on COMMON SENSE...which dictates that no one "back in the day", with full access to legit gear, no black market to speak of, and the drive to WIN bb shows, was content to sit back, take 2 dbol and let the chips fall where they may...
How niave can you be, seriously?
Bob this one can give you some heat also, but from your statement I believe you agree with us that Lee Priest is full of shit with his "200mg of deca a week and a 1 cc of primo once in a while" dosage claim ?
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Bob this one can give you some heat also, but from your statement I believe you agree with us that Lee Priest is full of shit with his "200mg of deca a week and a 1 cc of primo once in a while" dosage claim ?
Could be true..."once in a while" could be every 6 hours for all we know...
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My vote: yes
My vote : NO
Same goes for Mike Mentzer.
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LOL...well im sure all the other competitors really appreciated Frank holding back
What's the reason today's pros are bigger and harder than the ones from the 70s??
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What's the reason today's pros are bigger and harder than the ones from the 70s??
Lots of reasons....better equipment, better drugs, most guys are training YEARS longer to achieve the pro level, better diets, advancements in supps, knowledge...
Same reason the NFL players are bigger. faster and stronger than those in the 70's..and every other sport
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Zane would do well in today's 202 lb division. He is not outmassed by guys like Flex Lewis and Stan McQuay who just won 202 lb shows, and his shape and condition would be second to none.
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If around today, and at age 30-ish, would Frank Zane own the 202 division?
Frank would appear too tall with not enough mass.
He would come in just as cut though, if not more.
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Zane was the biggest hype in pro bbing.
Simply he didnt have enough muscle.
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How niave can you be, seriously?
Everyone lies about the drugs. You, Zane, Draper, Tom Prince, Priest, Ron Harris, Kyomu, musclecenter. :D Doesn't matter who it is, if it's a bb it's a liar.
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everybody lies
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everybody lies
(http://img5.allocine.fr/acmedia/medias/nmedia/18/35/65/81/18741345.jpg)
:D
Chick is so good at it even a lie detector doesn't scare him. Chick is even willing to take sodium pentothal and swear on the holy bible he did buy that Humalog at a pharmacy.
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my vote goes to samir
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now that is a good back dbl bi!!
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Guys like Robby Robinson (208 pounds), Boyer Coe (210 pounds), Samir Bannout (189-205 pounds), Frank Zane (180-190 pounds) and many others from that era would all do very well today, with today's drugs and equipment.
Same could be said for Shawn Ray (205 pounds), who would completely dominate as he competed 15 years ago.
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everybody lies
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Winning 3 Olympia's pretty much sums it up...one of the best
At least here we agree.
Zane is right after Arnold for me.