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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: spinnis on September 17, 2009, 03:11:47 PM
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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8139083505632897919#
Full show, fuck me everyone looked great, and AMAZING lights lol!
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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8139083505632897919#
Full show, fuck me everyone looked great, and AMAZING lights lol!
Yeah great lighting indeed Ronnie looked awesome , so did Flex
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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8139083505632897919#
Full show, fuck me everyone looked great, and AMAZING lights lol!
Yes before all the big guts
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Flex has more oil in these shots then Exxon.
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True. Greatest lighting ever.
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Yes before all the big guts
Ronnie had his in full effect at this contest :-X
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Ronnie had his in full effect at this contest :-X
Hey now...lets be fair... his gut wasnt quite in FULL effect... no with an ample amount of hard work, determination, and fortitude he was able to bring his gut to a unpreccedented level by 2005! :D
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Ronnie had his in full effect at this contest :-X
That's not a gut, that's called exhaling... ::)
Nasser who?
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That's not a gut, that's called exhaling... ::)
Nasser who?
:-X :-X :-X
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Hey now...lets be fair... his gut wasnt quite in FULL effect... no with an ample amount of hard work, determination, and fortitude he was able to bring his gut to a unpreccedented level by 2005! :D
Great point ! :-X :-X
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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8139083505632897919#
Full show, fuck me everyone looked great, and AMAZING lights lol!
Great to see how BB has "progressed" in the past 10 years. ::)
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Great to see how BB has "progressed" in the past 10 years. ::)
Hey now! Back off! Chick would say that the quality of the IFBB is still top notch!
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Flex can keep up pretty well wie Ronnie in the BDB :o
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=298211.0;attach=339370;image)
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flex is winning in that shot
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Ronnie had his in full effect at this contest :-X
nope. the full effect didn't begin until his supposed "best ever" (SIC) shape at the 2001 AC.. :-X
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Ronnie had his in full effect at this contest :-X
Those pics are the perfect example of how dim-witted Ronnie is. Where as a champion like Arnold was always extremely focused to present his physique in its best light and hide flaws, Ronnie on the other hand, can't help but "raise the roof" and let it all hang out.
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Flex can keep up pretty well wie Ronnie in the BDB :o
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=298211.0;attach=339370;image)
Oh he always could , this is a very strong pose for Flex & Ronnie
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Those pics are the perfect example of how dim-witted Ronnie is. Where as a champion like Arnold was always extremely focused to present his physique in its best light and hide flaws, Ronnie on the other hand, can't help but "raise the roof" and let it all hang out.
but your hero did the same thing. he is dimwitted too? ::)
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nope. the full effect didn't begin until his supposed "best ever" (SIC) shape at the 2001 AC.. :-X
Na he had a gut in 98 on sometimes worse than others
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the video from that show is the best ive ever seen hands down, the lighting is PERFECT and there were so many big name guys there in their primes.
they seriously need to figure out how they did the lighting for that show and use the same setup for every show.
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but your hero did the same thing. he is dimwitted too? ::)
Most discerning people would know the difference between getting caught standing casually or in transition, compared to "raising the roof" every few seconds of every single posing routine, with a huge gut hanging in all its glory. Please note, I said "discerning" people, a term not applicable to you.
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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8139083505632897919#
Full show, fuck me everyone looked great, and AMAZING lights lol!
Yeah, I uploaded that one about 2 years ago. ;)
Great show!
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Most discerning people would know the difference between getting caught standing casually or in transition, compared to "raising the roof" every few seconds of every single posing routine, with a huge gut hanging in all its glory. Please note, I said "discerning" people, a term not applicable to you.
ouch Hulkster getting beat down in multiple threads ;D
Yeah Ronnie was pretty liberal with just literally letting it all hang out .
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I've said it before that all the guys at that contest look a million times better than they did at any other contest, exclusively because of the lighting. But not, according to Hulkster, it's only the physique. So I wonder how all bodybuilders peaked perfectly for that contest and then missed their peak for others. Dorian 95' would have looked like a cartoon superhero unhder those lights.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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I've said it before that all the guys at that contest look a million times better than they did at any other contest, exclusively because of the lighting. But not, according to Hulkster, it's only the physique. So I wonder how all bodybuilders peaked perfectly for that contest and then missed their peak for others. Dorian 95' would have looked like a cartoon superhero unhder those lights.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
That type of lighting favor's darker skinned guys although Levrone looked pretty good under it and he's lighter than those guys , he actually commented on the lighting affecting his physique vs theirs , I wonder how Dorian would have looked
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Dorian 95' would have looked like a cartoon superhero unhder those lights
LOL
the best lighting in the world cannot take smooth detail-less muscle and make it look good. sorry.
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hahahaa
the lighting would have highlighted the lack of cuts, smoothness and absence of freaky vascularity.
dorian would have looked worse.
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LOL
the best lighting in the world cannot take smooth detail-less muscle and make it look good. sorry.
You are an idiot. I wish someone would post how Ronnie looked backstage at the 99' Olympia to shut your mouth. Like two completely different bodybuilders.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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meltdown because of harsh truth.
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I wish someone would post how Ronnie looked backstage at the 99' Olympia to shut your mouth
he looked like he was from another planet, just like onstage :P
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crazy side chest from the top 3
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Milos was huge for this show too
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Milos was huge for this show too
Hate to say but the madman looks fantastic there.
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nope. the full effect didn't begin until his supposed "best ever" (SIC) shape at the 2001 AC.. :-X
I agree. Many cite this 01 Arnold, but yes, Coleman's look was very over rated in that show.
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I agree. Many cite this 01 Arnold, but yes, Coleman's look was very over rated in that show.
exactly. this is something that nuthuggers like ND cannot grasp. ::)
they go with the flow rather than go with what reality proves to be the truth.
best ever at the AC? hell no.
the year 99 was much better: much less of a gut too
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dorian couldnt hold ronnies shoe laces
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hahahaa
the lighting would have highlighted the lack of cuts, smoothness and absence of freaky vascularity.
dorian would have looked worse.
Further proof of your stupidity.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=233694.0;attach=291500;image)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=233694.0;attach=291501;image)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=233694.0;attach=291502;image)
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Further proof of your stupidity.
Only thing Hulkster is good for is endlessly posting the same bunch of pics from the 99 Olympia and showing us all how little he knows / understands of competitive bodybuilding.
Hulkster, your posts about Dorian Yates, esp. in this thread, put you in the same intellectual league as Matt T, no offense ;D
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Only thing Hulkster is good for is endlessly posting the same bunch of pics from the 99 Olympia and showing us all how little he knows / understands of competitive bodybuilding.
Hulkster, your posts about Dorian Yates, esp. in this thread, put you in the same intellectual league as Matt T, no offense ;D
nah, hes comparing dorian to ronnie. when you do that, dorian gets crushed. only racists think otherwise.
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nah, hes comparing dorian to ronnie. when you do that, dorian gets crushed. only racists think otherwise.
I'm talking about his posts about Dorian
the best lighting in the world cannot take smooth detail-less muscle and make it look good. sorry.
the lighting would have highlighted the lack of cuts, smoothness and absence of freaky vascularity.
If Dorian in the clip above is smooth, detail-less and lacks cuts, then I wish I could be that smooth, detail-less and lack cuts.
If you want to see a bodybuilder of that description, see Jay in the 07 Mr Olympia.
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Further proof of your stupidity.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=233694.0;attach=291500;image)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=233694.0;attach=291501;image)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=233694.0;attach=291502;image)
f##kin frankstein's monster's cousin...just muscle put together. what did he have on the weiders for him to be a 6 time mro. 4 and he should have been out the door.
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I agree. Many cite this 01 Arnold, but yes, Coleman's look was very over rated in that show.
hahahahhahahahaha overrated , enough said
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nah, hes comparing dorian to ronnie. when you do that, dorian gets crushed. only racists think otherwise.
You think Ronnie is a racist? ??? anyone who thinks that Dorian couldn't beat Coleman at his best is either ignorant on how contests are judged or racist . you pick which one you are ;)
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exactly. this is something that nuthuggers like ND cannot grasp. ::)
they go with the flow rather than go with what reality proves to be the truth.
best ever at the AC? hell no.
the year 99 was much better: much less of a gut too
wow another guy who agrees with you lmao that makes three now?
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You think Ronnie is a racist? ??? anyone who thinks that Dorian couldn't beat Coleman at his best is either ignorant on how contests are judged or racist . you pick which one you are ;)
I think we should call you an "IFBB Fundamentalist" You are really no different then someone with a lot of religious zeal constantly using circular logic to try and validate their faith. Rather then just going by common sense, (most people would agree that at their respective primes Dorian isnt in the same league as Ronnie), you like to use all sorts of contrived argumants healrding the infallible IFBB judging, standards, and practices. ::)
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I think we should call you an "IFBB Fundamentalist" You are really no different then someone with a lot of religious zeal constantly using circular logic to try and validate their faith. Rather then just going by common sense, (most people would agree that at their respective primes Dorian isnt in the same league as Ronnie), you like to use all sorts of contrived argumants healrding the infallible IFBB judging, standards, and practices. ::)
And I think I'll point out while you're claiming I'm using flawed logic in trying to prove Dorian could beat Ronnie you , yourself is using flawed logic the old appeal to numbers . most people would agree that Dorian isn't in the same league ::)
NO circular logic needed Dorian is a man who faced Ronnie on eight separate occasions and defeated all eight time , you're delusional to claim Dorian couldn't beat Ronnie in fact Dorian would be the odds on favorite if a hypothetical showing ever took place and FYI contests aren't judged by ' common sense '
Ronnie himself felt Dorian could beat him I guess his opinion matters less than the masses ;D
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Only thing Hulkster is good for is endlessly posting the same bunch of pics from the 99 Olympia and showing us all how little he knows / understands of competitive bodybuilding.
Hulkster, your posts about Dorian Yates, esp. in this thread, put you in the same intellectual league as Matt T, no offense ;D
Great post ! as usual spot-on about how stupid Hulkster can be
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I think we should call you an "IFBB Fundamentalist" You are really no different then someone with a lot of religious zeal constantly using circular logic to try and validate their faith. Rather then just going by common sense, (most people would agree that at their respective primes Dorian isnt in the same league as Ronnie), you like to use all sorts of contrived argumants healrding the infallible IFBB judging, standards, and practices. ::)
Actually, he understands judging criteria better than nearly everyone else here and always backs up his assertions with logical arguments. And the IFBB's judging criteria is very fair and sensible, cause otherwise, we'd have guys like Shawn and Flex placing higher than guys like Dorian and Ronnie, simply because the former have the aesthetic, "pretty" look that the latter don't.
I saw you argue in the other thread that Shawn ought to have placed higher than Dorian in the 95 Olympia. That would kill bodybuilding, cause it means that the guys with naturally inferior shapes would always lose out to those who have a more pleasing look. But bodybuilding is about more criteria than shape alone - it's about who has the most strengths and conditioning, over who looks most appealing from an aesthetic point of view.
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And I think I'll point out while you're claiming I'm using flawed logic in trying to prove Dorian could beat Ronnie you , yourself is using flawed logic the old appeal to numbers . most people would agree that Dorian isn't in the same league ::)
NO circular logic needed Dorian is a man who faced Ronnie on eight separate occasions and defeated all eight time , you're delusional to claim Dorian couldn't beat Ronnie in fact Dorian would be the odds on favorite if a hypothetical showing ever took place and FYI contests aren't judged by ' common sense '
Ronnie himself felt Dorian could beat him I guess his opinion matters less than the masses ;D
While my statement holds, (from a pragmatic standpoint), that most sensible people, would not put Dorian in the same league as a prime Ronnie, I will concede that it wouldn't have much merit in a serious philosophical discussion.
That being said...this does not absolve you of what is practically a religious devotion to the IFBB despite how seemingly absurd any of their decisions may seem. Why it is so difficult to point out the flaws, and incongurincies of what the IFBB has executed over the years, (in contrast to the aesthetic paradigm they supposedly uphold themselves to), is beyond me.
To put this in more simple terms... An Olympia caliber physique shouldn't be sporting a huge gut. Period. Dorian was a poor standard-barer for this reason, and quite arguably did more to damage bodybuilding by ushering in his style, then any other reason. Thats not to say that there isn't a lot to respect about Dorian...(there is...no question), but he did not fit the criteria of an aesthetic physique...and if you don't fit that criteria...then you shouldn't be Mr. Olympia...
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Actually, he understands judging criteria better than nearly everyone else here and always backs up his assertions with logical arguments. And the IFBB's judging criteria is very fair and sensible, cause otherwise, we'd have guys like Shawn and Flex placing higher than guys like Dorian and Ronnie, simply because the former have the aesthetic, "pretty" look that the latter don't.
I saw you argue in the other thread that Shawn ought to have placed higher than Dorian in the 95 Olympia. That would kill bodybuilding, cause it means that the guys with naturally inferior shapes would always lose out to those who have a more pleasing look. But bodybuilding is about more criteria than shape alone - it's about who has the most strengths and conditioning, over who looks most appealing from an aesthetic point of view.
To be fair, I dont think that Shawn should have won in 95, I do however have him placing 1st in 94, and 96. I also agree with you that shape cant be the only factor in a bodybuilding competion...otherwise it simply turns into a male-beatuy pagent.
That said...Symmetry, shape, and proportion, should be the paramount standards when assesing a physique. Mass should follow this. Distended stomachs, lumpy bodyparts, and obvious signs of site-injection/synthol use should be automaticaly disqulified. There is no excuse for these being present in a competition.
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While my statement holds, (from a pragmatic standpoint), that most sensible people, would not put Dorian in the same league as a prime Ronnie, I will concede that it wouldn't have much merit in a serious philosophical discussion.
That being said...this does not absolve you of what is practically a religious devotion to the IFBB despite how seemingly absurd any of their decisions may seem. Why it is so difficult to point out the flaws, and incongurincies of what the IFBB has executed over the years, (in contrast to the aesthetic paradigm they supposedly uphold themselves to), is beyond me.
To put this in more simple terms... An Olympia caliber physique shouldn't be sporting a huge gut. Period. Dorian was a poor standard-barer for this reason, and quite arguably did more to damage bodybuilding by ushering in his style, then any other reason. Thats not to say that there isn't a lot to respect about Dorian...(there is...no question), but he did not fit the criteria of an aesthetic physique...and if you don't fit that criteria...then you shouldn't be Mr. Olympia...
Stop speaking for most ' senseable ' people who made you the yardstick in which senseable people are measured by? a lot of experts in the industry have said they believe Dorian is the only one who could go head-to-head with Ronnie , you like ' most people ' are A) ignorant of how contests are judged and B) base their opinions on bias & preference you included
I'm not a blind worshiper of the IFBB but I don't believe in fixed contests it's near impossible to fix a contest if you believe otherwise then you have given no thought on the subject and content wih just believing " The fix is in " the probability of fixing a contest is almost nil
Ah I see where you're coming from he wasn't asthetic and had a gut so there fore he isn't what the ' ideal ' for a Mr Olympia should be or was , I could agree with this is that was the only criteria for an Olympia winner , he didn't have a gut when fully flexed and ironically out of the two you're claiming Dorian wouldn't stand a chance against Ronnie yet he has the same gut or worse yet somehow he deserved his Sandows?
I say NO Mr Olympia winnner should have a gut and bitch-tits that's not the asethetic ideal yet he won is this anymore acceptable? is this a travesty on par with Yates? and you think Coleman is aesthetic? I always laugh at people who claim this , hallmarks of an aesthetic physique is the Greek Ideal , same sized neck , calves and arms ....you think Ronnie met this? aesthetic muscles which were always found on Greek statues were great calves , abdominals and delltoids , he has ONE of these ....aesthetic? I think not
You're just one of those guys who " just don't get it " when it come to Yates but his record speaks for itself and if you say it was a fix then I say you can't look past your own bias
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Actually, he understands judging criteria better than nearly everyone else here and always backs up his assertions with logical arguments
yeah, 'logical arguments' (sic) refuted by all visuals..
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arguments on a page mean nothing if they are refuted by real life.
talk is cheap. reality is not.
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nah, hes comparing dorian to ronnie. when you do that, dorian gets crushed. only racists think otherwise.
not necessarily just racists.
people can totally not understand how the sport is judged, how a quality physique is assessed and what constitutes a great physique
hence why ND and his band of flowery men think dorian is better..
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not necessarily just racists.
people can totally not understand how the sport is judged, how a quality physique is assessed and what constitutes a great physique
hence why ND and his band of flowery men think dorian is better..
Being there in person is real life. Pics and vids are not and never will be. You should never use the word racist since you seem to hate all white bodybuilders.
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nope. just so happens I like Ronnie's physique, flex's, shawn's, haneys.
don't like the blocky fridge look like gunter, dorian and jay have.
they could be purple and I would still not care for their type of physique..
I like the mass with class look like the people I mentioned have.
the judges do to when they are in great shape. I suppose you are going to say they are racist too LOL
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speaking of real life:
enjoy: LOL
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=252142.0
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speaking of real life:
enjoy: LOL
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=252142.0
speaking on real life:
enjoy : LOL
JohnnyTosh GetBig 12-20-07
Hulkster, I have one question for you? .... Were you there in Long Beach in 97? Because I was. AND I was there in 93 & 95 in Atlanta & 96 in Chicago. It's been said a million times. Yates has a Thickness & density from every angle that had to be seen in person, and that NOBODY else had.
I think Milos is awesome. I would LOVE to have his body, but Yates smoked everybody in the totality of ALL poses. From the side & from the back, yates crushed everybody.
Unless you were there, you cannot really say accurately. BTW, Demilia gave me tickets right behind the judges every year.
Not flaming, but Yates reigned supreme.. YES. HIS GUT was sticking out in 97 & Nasser looked as good, or maybe a hair better from the front in 97, but when they turned to the side & rear, DORIAN ruled again.
see FAIL you know the way
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not necessarily just racists.
people can totally not understand how the sport is judged, how a quality physique is assessed and what constitutes a great physique
hence why ND and his band of flowery men think dorian is better..
I have proven countless times YOU don't know how contests are judged .
hence why Ronnie Coleman think Dorian is better ..
Dorian lost in 1993 to Flex according to you , Shawn Ray beats Dorian IN THE FRONT FUCKING LAT SPREAD in 1995 according to you , case closed , enough said .
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Actually, he understands judging criteria better than nearly everyone else here and always backs up his assertions with logical arguments. And the IFBB's judging criteria is very fair and sensible, cause otherwise, we'd have guys like Shawn and Flex placing higher than guys like Dorian and Ronnie, simply because the former have the aesthetic, "pretty" look that the latter don't.
I saw you argue in the other thread that Shawn ought to have placed higher than Dorian in the 95 Olympia. That would kill bodybuilding, cause it means that the guys with naturally inferior shapes would always lose out to those who have a more pleasing look. But bodybuilding is about more criteria than shape alone - it's about who has the most strengths and conditioning, over who looks most appealing from an aesthetic point of view.
Thank you for the compliment coming from you it means a lot because you are one of the most intelligent guys on here.
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nope. just so happens I like Ronnie's physique, flex's, shawn's, haneys.
don't like the blocky fridge look like gunter, dorian and jay have.
they could be purple and I would still not care for their type of physique..
I like the mass with class look like the people I mentioned have.
the judges do to when they are in great shape. I suppose you are going to say they are racist too LOL
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No one is telling you have to like Dorian's physique but I'm glad you finally admit you base everything on preference , but what you like has NOTHING to do with what wins it shows once again you showing just how little you know about competitive bodybuilding ;D
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Being there in person is real life. Pics and vids are not and never will be. You should never use the word racist since you seem to hate all white bodybuilders.
hahahahahah Great post !
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Stop speaking for most ' senseable ' people who made you the yardstick in which senseable people are measured by? a lot of experts in the industry have said they believe Dorian is the only one who could go head-to-head with Ronnie , you like ' most people ' are A) ignorant of how contests are judged and B) base their opinions on bias & preference you included
I'm not a blind worshiper of the IFBB but I don't believe in fixed contests it's near impossible to fix a contest if you believe otherwise then you have given no thought on the subject and content wih just believing " The fix is in " the probability of fixing a contest is almost nil
Ah I see where you're coming from he wasn't asthetic and had a gut so there fore he isn't what the ' ideal ' for a Mr Olympia should be or was , I could agree with this is that was the only criteria for an Olympia winner , he didn't have a gut when fully flexed and ironically out of the two you're claiming Dorian wouldn't stand a chance against Ronnie yet he has the same gut or worse yet somehow he deserved his Sandows?
I say NO Mr Olympia winnner should have a gut and bitch-tits that's not the asethetic ideal yet he won is this anymore acceptable? is this a travesty on par with Yates? and you think Coleman is aesthetic? I always laugh at people who claim this , hallmarks of an aesthetic physique is the Greek Ideal , same sized neck , calves and arms ....you think Ronnie met this? aesthetic muscles which were always found on Greek statues were great calves , abdominals and delltoids , he has ONE of these ....aesthetic? I think not
You're just one of those guys who " just don't get it " when it come to Yates but his record speaks for itself and if you say it was a fix then I say you can't look past your own bias
Good points ND, id also add that Dorians ACTUAL SKELTRUAL structure was the main reason for his outstanding balance of muscle groups, without that ideal structure many BBers with Superior muscle belly's to Yates etc didn't stand a chance because of the above reason, you can have all the muscles belly's in the world, if your skeletal structure is out...so is your balance and distribution of those muscle groups, saying Dorian wouldn't stand a chance against Ronnie etc is a knee jerk responce by alot of people who see all those incredible shots of Ronnie with Superior muscle belly's than Yates..."so he'd beat Yates ...no problem "...until they actually understand the above reasons of the COMPLETE SKELTRUAL STRUCTURE equating to that balance witch in turn equals Symmetry of the WHOLE PHYSQIUE...then Yates compared to all the other great Physiques Ronnie's included they will (the debates that is )will go on and on.
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Good points ND, id also add that Dorians ACTUAL SKELTRUAL structure was the main reason for his outstanding balance of muscle groups, without that ideal structure many BBers with Superior muscle belly's to Yates etc didn't stand a chance because of the above reason, you can have all the muscles belly's in the world, if your skeletal structure is out...so is your balance and distribution of those muscle groups, saying Dorian wouldn't stand a chance against Ronnie etc is a knee jerk responce by alot of people who see all those incredible shots of Ronnie with Superior muscle belly's than Yates..."so he'd beat Yates ...no problem "...until they actually understand the above reasons of the COMPLETE SKELTRUAL STRUCTURE equating to that balance witch in turn equals Symmetry of the WHOLE PHYSQIUE...then Yates compared to all the other great Physiques Ronnie's included they will (the debates that is )will go on and on.
Exactly , you're another person who gets it , right on the money .
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Ronnie looks unreal in that video; however, notice that he is not dominating Flex. In fact, Flex compares pretty well with Ronnie there. I guarantee that a 93 Yates or a 95 Yates would push Ronnie to the absolute limit in 99.
This video shows just how much Dorian dominated in 95.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5049884837576382067&ei=mTC0SpatNIrOqAKYxKGMAg&q=95+mr.+olympia+prejudging&hl=en#
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Ronnie looks unreal in that video; however, notice that he is not dominating Flex. In fact, Flex compares pretty well with Ronnie there. I guarantee that a 93 Yates of a 95 Yates would push Ronnie to the absolute limit in 99.
This video shows just how much Dorian dominated in 95.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5049884837576382067&ei=mTC0SpatNIrOqAKYxKGMAg&q=95+mr.+olympia+prejudging&hl=en#
Right and to claim it's laughable to say Dorian should be even mentioned in the same breathe ::) HA pure ignorance.
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Shawn Ray beats Dorian IN THE FRONT FUCKING LAT SPREAD in 1995 according to you , case closed , enough said
yeah, dorian's lat spread had smooth piss poor quads, smooth pecs, thick waist and terrible arms.
but his lats were good.. :-\
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yeah, dorian's lat spread had smooth piss poor quads, smooth pecs, thick waist and terrible arms.
but his lats were good.. :-\
yeah so you post a pic from 1996 . MORON
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Ronnie looks unreal in that video; however, notice that he is not dominating Flex
according to you and ND only...
as good as flex was, his oily arms and delts, and lack of width and chest thickness put ronnie miles ahead.
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yeah so you post a pic from 1996 . MORON
what difference does it make? it all applies there too.
so you concede that shawn>>dorian in 96?
thanks, thats one of the years everyone thinks he should have lost.
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what difference does it make? it all applies there too.
so you concede that shawn>>dorian in 96?
thanks, thats one of the years everyone thinks he should have lost.
Yeah sure one of the narrowest guys beats one of the widest in one of his best poses lol sure I agree with that ::)
Ronnie Coleman doesn't beat Dorian in a front latspread never mind Shawn Ray
and wow ' everyone ' says , everyone is like you stupid ;D
how does it feel agreeing with a guy who calls you and idiot and having it pointed out to you by me he's actually calling you a dummy ?
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Ronnie Coleman doesn't beat Dorian in a front latspread never mind Shawn Ray
this is a better front lat spread than dorian ever presented.
no smoothness and lack of cuts here. no keg waist either.
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according to you and ND only...
as good as flex was, his oily arms and delts, and lack of width and chest thickness put ronnie miles ahead.
Classic Hulkster pic out better parts and say ' see ' he's not winning , learn how contests are judged and then you'll get a clue on how he's NOT dominating Flex in that back shot
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flex doesn't come close: only idiots like ND and his bitches think so.
but then they are everyone>>ronnie to begin with... ::)
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flex doesn't come close: only idiots like ND and his bitches think so.
but then they are everyone>>ronnie to begin with... ::)
Ahhh the old typical Hulkster move post a pic that NO ONE was arguing about and claim a ' victory ' while trying to deflect his own stupidity onto everyone else
the BACK DOUBLE BICEPS SHOT you moron ;)
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nope. just so happens I like Ronnie's physique, flex's, shawn's, haneys.
don't like the blocky fridge look like gunter, dorian and jay have.
they could be purple and I would still not care for their type of physique..
I like the mass with class look like the people I mentioned have.
the judges do to when they are in great shape. I suppose you are going to say they are racist too LOL
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You also knocked Wolf's physique. "Like" Ronnie physiques??? Son you have a SERIOUS mancrush on Ronnie and the whole board can see it.
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flex doesn't come close: only idiots like ND and his bitches think so.
but then they are everyone>>ronnie to begin with... ::)
You are right. Ronnie wins this shot over flex. Now post the rear double bi like everyone was talking about dumbass.
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You are right. Ronnie wins this shot over flex. Now post the rear double bi like everyone was talking about dumbass.
Hahahahaha dumbass Hulkster bragging about winning points no one is arguing
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yeah, dorian's lat spread had smooth piss poor quads, smooth pecs, thick waist and terrible arms.
but his lats were good.. :-\
Jesus Christ Hulkster, you seriously are getting more and more blind by your bias. Dorian is killing Shawn and Nasser in that shot. For fucksake man, we all admit Ronnie was great; however, Dorian was just as good, arguably better.
I am not sure what your issue is, but your level of delusion is getting sad ::)
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flex doesn't come close: only idiots like ND and his bitches think so.
but then they are everyone>>ronnie to begin with... ::)
What's funny is your laugh at the prospect of Flex beating Ronnie because he lacks width yet brag about how Shawn a guy even more lacking in width compared to Flex beats Dorian in the latspread
I will continue to expose your ignorance & hypocrisy ;D
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What's funny is your laugh at the prospect of Flex beating Ronnie because he lacks width yet brag about how Shawn a guy even more lacking in width compared to Flex beats Dorian in the latspread
I will continue to expose your ignorance & hypocrisy ;D
In addition, Flex came closer to Ronnie than he ever did to Dorian, and Flex was better against Dorian. :-*
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In addition, Flex came closer to Ronnie than he ever did to Dorian, and Flex was better against Dorian. :-*
you got that right ! 1993 Flex was on point his best year , same with Levrone who Dorian dominated , Kevin pushed Ronnie to the limit in 2002 , yet Dorian he always fell flat on his face
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flex doesn't come close: only idiots like ND and his bitches think so.
but then they are everyone>>ronnie to begin with... ::)
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Compare Ronnie to both Nasser and Kevin in that shot. Now compare Dorian...
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I don't know why you all are saying flex has a better rear double bi.
his delts are so inflated with oil they have no detail.
his back is thinner. less width.
but then again, this is the same trio of morons who think dorian is better..soooo..I can see exactly why.. :-\
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Compare Ronnie to both Nasser and Kevin in that shot. Now compare Dorian...
compare ronnie to kevin, who was almost as wide as dorian..lol
ronnie is much wider than either of them
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compare ronnie to kevin, who was almost as wide as dorian..lol
ronnie is much wider than either of them
compare Kevin when he was way past his prime to Ronnie who almost lost that contest ;)
You're beyond stupid if you think Ronnie is ' much wider ' than Yates
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compare Kevin when he was way past his prime to Ronnie who almost lost that contest ;)
You're beyond stupid if you think Ronnie is ' much wider ' than Yates
Exactly....Ronnie had a better RLS than Kevin, but to claim that he was way wider than Dorian is absurd. But then again, Hulkster's Ronnie love has turned absurd.
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Yes Flex was as good as Ronnie in the rear double. You have be blind not to see that. Its funny you don't like the so called blocky white guy look of Dorian, Gunther and Jay but yet all 3 beat Ronnie.
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yeah, everyone beat ronnie in the mid 90's.
gunter beat ronnie to sell tickets - there is a whole thread showing ronnie crushing gunter in pose after pose at the SOS. but Uncle Joe had a contest to promote so.....
Jay beat Ronnie at the end of his career.
yet none could beat him at his best.
whats your point?
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yeah, everyone beat ronnie in the mid 90's.
gunter beat ronnie to sell tickets - there is a whole thread showing ronnie crushing gunter in pose after pose at the SOS. but Uncle Joe had a contest to promote so.....
Jay beat Ronnie at the end of his career.
yet none could beat him at his best.
whats your point?
The point is that Dorian NEVER lost once he began his reign. Never, not once. Ronnie lost fair and square to Jay, and Gunter (the 02 GNC thread shows Gunter out-sizing and out-conditioning Ronnie, sorry!)...epic use of the conspiracy theory there to support your argument, Hulkster ::)
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holly shit that pic is the best I have ever seen when it comes to owning everyone from the back
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=298211.0;attach=339546;image)
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The point is that Dorian NEVER lost once he began his reign. Never, not once
and yet its accepted by all but a few nuthuggers like yourself that he should have... :-\
nice judging IFBB.
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holly shit that pic is the best I have ever seen when it comes to owning everyone from the back
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=298211.0;attach=339546;image)
there is a reason why Ronnie is considered by most to have the greatest back ever, with dorian a distant second.. 8)
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and yet its accepted by all but a few nuthuggers like yourself that he should have... :-\
nice judging IFBB.
(http://www.moli.com/ext_images/fv_broken_record.jpg)
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there is a reason why Ronnie is considered by most to have the greatest back ever, with dorian a distant second.. 8)
what's funny is your posting a pic from 1999 and claiming his back is better than Dorians when Flex said Dorian had the best back of the 20th century and guess what year 1999 falls into? ;)
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yeah, everyone beat ronnie in the mid 90's.
gunter beat ronnie to sell tickets - there is a whole thread showing ronnie crushing gunter in pose after pose at the SOS. but Uncle Joe had a contest to promote so.....
Jay beat Ronnie at the end of his career.
yet none could beat him at his best.
whats your point?
1997 Hhahahahahahahaha Dorian at his worse killed this never mind his best
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yeah, everyone beat ronnie in the mid 90's.
gunter beat ronnie to sell tickets - there is a whole thread showing ronnie crushing gunter in pose after pose at the SOS. but Uncle Joe had a contest to promote so.....
Jay beat Ronnie at the end of his career.
yet none could beat him at his best.
whats your point?
See this is why you are so delusional. In that thread Ronnie doesn't beat Gunther in every pose. MAYBE 1 or 2 and the vast majority of people here agree with that. You are so love struck with Ronnie that it greatly clouds your judgement. Sure alot of people think Dorian shouldn't have won all the Olympia's that he won BUT ALOT of people agree Ronnie shouldn't have either. Ronnie was only really great maybe 3 or 4 of the years that he won. There was alot of controversy with many of Ronnie's wins. Look just go find Ronnie already and confess your love for him and just get it over with.
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See this is why you are so delusional. In that thread Ronnie doesn't beat Gunther in every pose. MAYBE 1 or 2 and the vast majority of people here agree with that. You are so love struck with Ronnie that it greatly clouds your judgement. Sure alot of people think Dorian shouldn't have won all the Olympia's that he won BUT ALOT of people agree Ronnie shouldn't have either. Ronnie was only really great maybe 3 or 4 of the years that he won. There was alot of controversy with many of Ronnie's wins. Look just go find Ronnie already and confess your love for him and just get it over with.
exactly
Coleman's 1998 Olympia victory] was not a definitive win. In 99, Big Ron was lucky to defeat Flex Wheeler again. Levrone thought he'd beaten him twice, in 2000 and 2002. At the 2002 show, Levrone had won both of the evening rounds (a year on, at the Olympia press conference before the 2003 show, Coleman would chide Levrone, asking him, 'When was the last time you beat me?' Levrone replied, 'Last year.'). In 2001, Jay Cutler beat Ronnie in both the first two rounds and lost by four points.
Coleman had not replicated the dominance of Haney and Yates. He always seemed slightly vulnerable, protected as much by protocol as his physique
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ND vs. Hulkster= Israel vs. Middle East
when will the fighting end? :'(
BTW Ronnie is way f'ing better you Dorian nuthuggers...
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ND vs. Hulkster= Israel vs. Middle East
when will the fighting end? :'(
BTW Ronnie is way f'ing better you Dorian nuthuggers...
The fighting ended eons ago , now just angry Coleman fans can't accept the fact their hero thinks Dorian would beat him ;D
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exactly
Coleman's 1998 Olympia victory] was not a definitive win. In 99, Big Ron was lucky to defeat Flex Wheeler again. Levrone thought he'd beaten him twice, in 2000 and 2002. At the 2002 show, Levrone had won both of the evening rounds (a year on, at the Olympia press conference before the 2003 show, Coleman would chide Levrone, asking him, 'When was the last time you beat me?' Levrone replied, 'Last year.'). In 2001, Jay Cutler beat Ronnie in both the first two rounds and lost by four points.
Coleman had not replicated the dominance of Haney and Yates. He always seemed slightly vulnerable, protected as much by protocol as his physique
lol which idiot are you quoting now who claims 99 ronnie was "lucky'" to beat flex? LOL
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talk about domination :o
no wonder ronnie scored a perfect score and flex was way way behind..
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hahahahahah I knew that's all you would comment on forget 98/00/01/02
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when are you going to learn that talk is bullshit unless it is supported by pics and videos..
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when are you going to learn that talk is bullshit unless it is supported by pics and videos..
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pics & videos ALL prove what I'm saying 1998 Ronnie LUCKY 2000 LUCKY 2001 EXTREMELY LUCKY 2002 LUCKY
reality owns you
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Stop speaking for most ' senseable ' people who made you the yardstick in which senseable people are measured by? a lot of experts in the industry have said they believe Dorian is the only one who could go head-to-head with Ronnie , you like ' most people ' are A) ignorant of how contests are judged and B) base their opinions on bias & preference you included
I'm not a blind worshiper of the IFBB but I don't believe in fixed contests it's near impossible to fix a contest if you believe otherwise then you have given no thought on the subject and content wih just believing " The fix is in " the probability of fixing a contest is almost nil
Ah I see where you're coming from he wasn't asthetic and had a gut so there fore he isn't what the ' ideal ' for a Mr Olympia should be or was , I could agree with this is that was the only criteria for an Olympia winner , he didn't have a gut when fully flexed and ironically out of the two you're claiming Dorian wouldn't stand a chance against Ronnie yet he has the same gut or worse yet somehow he deserved his Sandows?
I say NO Mr Olympia winnner should have a gut and bitch-tits that's not the asethetic ideal yet he won is this anymore acceptable? is this a travesty on par with Yates? and you think Coleman is aesthetic? I always laugh at people who claim this , hallmarks of an aesthetic physique is the Greek Ideal , same sized neck , calves and arms ....you think Ronnie met this? aesthetic muscles which were always found on Greek statues were great calves , abdominals and delltoids , he has ONE of these ....aesthetic? I think not
You're just one of those guys who " just don't get it " when it come to Yates but his record speaks for itself and if you say it was a fix then I say you can't look past your own bias
You presume too much with this post. I never said that Ronnie was "Aesthetic." Nor did I ever say that he was the ideal either. I also never said that I believe that contests are fixed. For the record I do not believe that there has ever been any blatant contest fixing in the IFBB in some time, although I do think that there has been plenty of piss poor judging. I also agree that bitch tits should also lead to an automatic DQ.
I was speaking of Ronnie in relation to Dorian...Ronnie has a FAR more aesthetically pleasing physique in comparison to Dorian, but is by no means the epitome of Aesthetics. I like Dorian the bodybuilder, up till about 93 or so. I actually would have had him winning against Haney in his Olympia debut. I also don't have any major issues with his wins in 93, and 95. 94, 96, and 97 he quite frankly didn't deserve.
That said...since the IFBB seems capable of no wrong...would you also have Franco Winning in 81? Bev Francis losing in 83(?), etc?
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You presume too much with this post. I never said that Ronnie was "Aesthetic." Nor did I ever say that he was the ideal either. I also never said that I believe that contests are fixed. For the record I do not believe that there has ever been any blatant contest fixing in the IFBB in some time, although I do think that there has been plenty of piss poor judging. I also agree that bitch tits should also lead to an automatic DQ.
I was speaking of Ronnie in relation to Dorian...Ronnie has a FAR more aesthetically pleasing physique in comparison to Dorian, but is by no means the epitome of Aesthetics. I like Dorian the bodybuilder, up till about 93 or so. I actually would have had him winning against Haney in his Olympia debut. I also don't have any major issues with his wins in 93, and 95. 94, 96, and 97 he quite frankly didn't deserve.
That said...since the IFBB seems capable of no wrong...would you also have Franco Winning in 81? Bev Francis losing in 83(?), etc?
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Ronnie is more aesthetic than Dorian , that's not saying much and it's no advantage if you think about it because just about everyone was more aesthetic than Dorian
even I don't think Dorian should have won in 91
and was I there in 81? I've seen very little footage of this contest and in some pics he looks like he should win and others he should have lost , however I know pics aren't the end all be all and being there is what really counts and I wasn't there so I can't say definitively if he should have won and neither can you , just because some contests are suspect doesn't mean there was anything going on
Dorian easily beat everyone in 1994/1996 ...you can make a case in 97 but I could see why they gave it to him
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Ronnie is more aesthetic than Dorian , that's not saying much and it's no advantage if you think about it because just about everyone was more aesthetic than Dorian
yeah, but "everyone" wasnt 257 pounds with a better back than dorian either... ::)
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yeah, but "everyone" wasnt 257 pounds with a better back than dorian either... ::)
better back NOT according to Flex jackass ;) Dorian best BACK of the 20th century idiot ;D Ronnie said in 2003 Dorian's back was the thickest & freakiest he ever seen ...next
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Flex had an amazing BDB. This was the only pose from the back that would keep him close (not winning) to a prime yates and Ronnie.
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Flex had an amazing BDB. This was the only pose from the back that would keep him close (not winning) to a prime yates and Ronnie.
He's off that year too , Flex 93 had an outstanding back shot
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Flex had an amazing BDB. This was the only pose from the back that would keep him close (not winning) to a prime yates and Ronnie.
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Ronnie has him this contest clearly , others not so much
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He's off that year too , Flex 93 had an outstanding back shot
True. If only his rear latspread was as impressive as his back double bicep, he would of been a multi Mr. Olympia no doubt.