While my statement holds, (from a pragmatic standpoint), that most sensible people, would not put Dorian in the same league as a prime Ronnie, I will concede that it wouldn't have much merit in a serious philosophical discussion.
That being said...this does not absolve you of what is practically a religious devotion to the IFBB despite how seemingly absurd any of their decisions may seem. Why it is so difficult to point out the flaws, and incongurincies of what the IFBB has executed over the years, (in contrast to the aesthetic paradigm they supposedly uphold themselves to), is beyond me.
To put this in more simple terms... An Olympia caliber physique shouldn't be sporting a huge gut. Period. Dorian was a poor standard-barer for this reason, and quite arguably did more to damage bodybuilding by ushering in his style, then any other reason. Thats not to say that there isn't a lot to respect about Dorian...(there is...no question), but he did not fit the criteria of an aesthetic physique...and if you don't fit that criteria...then you shouldn't be Mr. Olympia...
Stop speaking for most ' senseable ' people who made you the yardstick in which senseable people are measured by? a lot of experts in the industry have said they believe Dorian is the only one who could go head-to-head with Ronnie , you like ' most people ' are A) ignorant of how contests are judged and B) base their opinions on bias & preference you included
I'm not a blind worshiper of the IFBB but I don't believe in fixed contests it's near impossible to fix a contest if you believe otherwise then you have given no thought on the subject and content wih just believing " The fix is in " the probability of fixing a contest is almost nil
Ah I see where you're coming from he wasn't asthetic and had a gut so there fore he isn't what the ' ideal ' for a Mr Olympia should be or was , I could agree with this is that was the only criteria for an Olympia winner , he didn't have a gut when fully flexed and ironically out of the two you're claiming Dorian wouldn't stand a chance against Ronnie yet he has the same gut or worse yet somehow he deserved his Sandows?
I say NO Mr Olympia winnner should have a gut and bitch-tits that's not the asethetic ideal yet he won is this anymore acceptable? is this a travesty on par with Yates? and you think Coleman is aesthetic? I always laugh at people who claim this , hallmarks of an aesthetic physique is the Greek Ideal , same sized neck , calves and arms ....you think Ronnie met this? aesthetic muscles which were always found on Greek statues were great calves , abdominals and delltoids , he has ONE of these ....aesthetic? I think not
You're just one of those guys who " just don't get it " when it come to Yates but his record speaks for itself and if you say it was a fix then I say you can't look past your own bias
