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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Van_Bilderass on September 25, 2009, 07:25:16 AM
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Suspected of selling steroids! Which they do of course. But are they illegal steroids?
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/more_sports/2009/09/24/2009-09-24_fda_raids_bodybuildingcom.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/25/sports/baseball/25doping.html?_r=1
http://www.heraldnet.com/article/20090924/SPORTS/709249670
FDA muscles up on Bodybuilding.com, Web site suspected of selling steroids
By Teri Thompson and Nathaniel Vinton
DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITER
The federal government's crackdown on the nutritional supplement industry continued Thursday as FDA agents executed a search warrant on one of the country's most popular bodybuilding Web sites, Bodybuilding.com, which the government accuses of marketing and distributing illegal anabolic steroids.
The government's action appears to be part of a nationwide investigation into supplement companies by federal agents including Jeff Novitzky, the FDA criminal investigator who was primarily responsible for uncovering BALCO doping ring, blowing the doors open on widespread steroid abuse in sports.
In an application for a search warrant, unsealed Thursday in U.S. District Court in Idaho, investigators sought access to the headquarters and warehouses of Bodybuilding.com, which claims to have shipped more than six million orders. The site's parent company, Liberty Media, is a large media conglomerate with a business interest in a variety of corporations including the DirectTV, QVC and the Atlanta Braves.
The affidavit claims that the Web site has been illegally selling five anabolic steroids with the names “Madol,” “Tren,” “Superdrol,” “Androstenedione,” and “Turinabol,” despite five “warning letters” from the FDA since 2002 informing the company that it was in violation of the law.
“It's a significant step but it also unfortunately highlights the ineffective regulation of this industry,” said Travis Tygart, president of the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency. “We've got to wonder how many others are out there continuing to sell these and other anabolic steroids.”
Rob Blenkinsop, the FDA special agent who signed the 86-page affidavit, was also involved with the BALCO crackdown and was listed as a government witness in last year's perjury trial against Tammy Thomas. In the document, Blenkinsop claims to have been involved with the execution of four search warrants in the last four months at firms “involved with the illegal distribution of misbranded and unapproved drugs being marketed as dietary supplements.”
In July, FDA agents – led by Novitzky – raided American Cellular Labs, a California-based supplement company, and then issued a public health advisory about tainted supplements. One of the substances that was allegedly being distributed by that company was Madol, an obscure designer steroid allegedly re-discovered by Patrick Arnold, the rogue chemist who helped develop BALCO's designer steroid THG – or, the Clear.
Telephone calls to Bodybuilding.com were routed to executive assistant Erin Hogue and were not immediately returned. According to the Web site, the site's forums have over 1.3 million members who have made more than 33 million posts.
The supplement industry has become notorious for selling contaminated products in the wake of the Dietary Supplement Health and Education Act, a 1994 federal law that deregulated the industry. The government has been able to prosecute some offenders under the Steroid Control Act of 2004, which was amended in 2005 to ease the definition of a designer, or man-made steroid.
Next week, the Senate Judiciary Committee's Subcommittee on Crime and Drugs has scheduled hearings on the barriers preventing the enforcement of steroid control in the bodybuilding industry.
Victor Conte, the founder of BALCO who served a prison sentence for his role in the doping conspiracy, said he was particularly surprised to learn that the affidavit identified the drug “turnibol,” which he said was developed by the East Germans during the Cold War for their notorious state-sponsored doping regimens.
“They called them the 'little blue pills' in the 1960s and 1970s,” Conte said. “Someone has now picked it up and put it in a product in the U.S.”
bb.com deleted their AAS section too it seems.
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:o
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Haha that's right the section is gone. ;D
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What do you think Chic will wear to the arraignment?
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they were just upset about 5 supplements, and had to raid over it? weird
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Haha that's right the section is gone. ;D
that happened a looooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooong time ago I think
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I've been warning Deluca about this for years and he never listened nor did the moderators nor did the forum administrators. Here's one of my last communications a couple of months ago.
I would post my experience on Bodyspace however I've been banned by an idiot moderator on your site again because he or she thinks that I've been spamming from an email address Even though I've written stating that that isn't my email address, its been pretty much ignored. If I was going to use a disposable email address, I would not put my own name on it
I'm getting a little sick and tired of some of your moderator personal vendetta's against me and making false accusations is pretty much libel against me. Clean up your message board site and tell your moderators to stop selling steroids on your site. It doesn't matter whether they are links to other sites or not, if you keep that shit up there the Feds are going to run a train on your ass.
Even though that's not the reason for these raids, the fact is that the lack of actual leadership on the forums has once again landed them on the front page of the news. Not only that, the stuff that they were selling was eventually going to be called out as they were obvious designer steroids and the company reps were pushing that stuff hard on those forum.
Deluca, get this through your thick skull. You were warned and now you have to pay the piper.
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they were just upset about 5 supplements, and had to raid over it? weird
Weird? If these supps are illegal, and every expert even on bb.com forums has said they are for years, and knowing how much volume bb.com do, how is it weird? If you were selling thousands and thousands of units of 5 different steroids would you be surprised if the authorities showed up at your door?
I've been warning Deluca about this for years and he never listened nor did the moderators nor did the forum administrators. Here's one of my last communications a couple of months ago.
I would post my experience on Bodyspace however I've been banned by an idiot moderator on your site again because he or she thinks that I've been spamming from an email address Even though I've written stating that that isn't my email address, its been pretty much ignored. If I was going to use a disposable email address, I would not put my own name on it
I'm getting a little sick and tired of some of your moderator personal vendetta's against me and making false accusations is pretty much libel against me. Clean up your message board site and tell your moderators to stop selling steroids on your site. It doesn't matter whether they are links to other sites or not, if you keep that shit up there the Feds are going to run a train on your ass.
That's not what this is about. This is about being able to order steroids from the bb.com shop.
that happened a looooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooong time ago I think
Nope. Happened just now.
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Now, everyone, go to the bodybuilding.com's IFBB section and post threads about steroids, the best option is to pretend to sell or buy drugs. Hahas assured.
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Weird? If these supps are illegal, and every expert even on bb.com forums has said they are for years, and knowing how much volume bb.com do, how is it weird? If you were selling thousands and thousands of units of 5 different steroids would you be surprised if the authorities showed up at your door?
That's not what this is about. This is about being able to order steroids from the bb.com shop.
Nope. Happened just now.
I know but those steroid links that the administrators let slide along with the comment that company reps made only added fuel to the fire. Fact is the FEDS monitor all the bodybuilding forum site. They have a staff specifically for that job and they post here, on Getbig, on MD, on RX Muscle, etc.
When you draw so much attention to yourself, eventually you're going to get your picture taken. I've warned Deluca, Crystal, and other staff personnel at BB.com for many years as it put my affiliate accounts at risk but recently it was cut anyway by the NC Affiliate Tax.
I'll survive without the BB.com income but Matt C is going to have to get another job
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I know but those steroid links that the administrators let slide along with the comment that company reps made only added fuel to the fire. Fact is the FEDS monitor all the bodybuilding forum site. They have a staff specifically for that job and they post here, on Getbig, on MD, on RX Muscle, etc.
When you draw so much attention to yourself, eventually you're going to get your picture taken. I've warned Deluca, Crystal, and other staff personnel at BB.com for many years as it put my affiliate accounts at risk but recently it was cut anyway by the NC Affiliate Tax.
I'll survive without the BB.com income but Matt C is going to have to get another job
bollox bollox bollox
Don't make it sound like have any "income" of your little page - thats just bollox and I don't believe it for a second.
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I've been warning Deluca about this for years and he never listened nor did the moderators nor did the forum administrators. Here's one of my last communications a couple of months ago.
I would post my experience on Bodyspace however I've been banned by an idiot moderator on your site again because he or she thinks that I've been spamming from an email address Even though I've written stating that that isn't my email address, its been pretty much ignored. If I was going to use a disposable email address, I would not put my own name on it
I'm getting a little sick and tired of some of your moderator personal vendetta's against me and making false accusations is pretty much libel against me. Clean up your message board site and tell your moderators to stop selling steroids on your site. It doesn't matter whether they are links to other sites or not, if you keep that shit up there the Feds are going to run a train on your ass.
Even though that's not the reason for these raids, the fact is that the lack of actual leadership on the forums has once again landed them on the front page of the news. Not only that, the stuff that they were selling was eventually going to be called out as they were obvious designer steroids and the company reps were pushing that stuff hard on those forum.
Deluca, get this through your thick skull. You were warned and now you have to pay the piper.
No wonder he isn't listening to you - nobody does :D I mean you are extremly delusional - not trying to step on your toes here brotha but you need to be told the truth.
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No wonder he isn't listening to you - nobody does :D I mean you are extremly delusional - not trying to step on your toes here brotha but you need to be told the truth.
You're right, some people think I'm delusional and don't listen to me.....but they all learn the hard way that they are the ones that are delusional.
Deluca would not had raided if they kept their staff in the forums on a lease. With company reps preaching that their products were steroids was surely to cause this action to be taken. Now the FEDS are going to grind that company into little pieces and try to shut them down. I don't think they'll be able to but it will be a serious blow to the company revenue
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You're right, some people think I'm delusional and don't listen to me.....but they all learn the hard way that they are the ones that are delusional.
Deluca would not had raided if they kept their staff in the forums on a lease. With company reps preaching that their products were steroids was surely to cause this action to be taken. Now the FEDS are going to grind that company into little pieces and try to shut them down. I don't think they'll be able to but it will be a serious blow to the company revenue
"on a lease"?
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And to think, there are murderers and child rapist out there. This is where our tax dollars are going... ::)
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You're right, some people think I'm delusional and don't listen to me.....but they all learn the hard way that they are the ones that are delusional.
Deluca would not had raided if they kept their staff in the forums on a lease. With company reps preaching that their products were steroids was surely to cause this action to be taken. Now the FEDS are going to grind that company into little pieces and try to shut them down. I don't think they'll be able to but it will be a serious blow to the company revenue
Look I have nothing against you - but I hate people that are full of themself but have fuck all to show for themself....
For god sake would you listen to yourself - Deluca wouldn't have been raided ::) like you tipped the feds off and or better they were knocking on your door begging your to cooperate with them.
Vincent - once and for all understand that in the scheme of things you're such a small little insignificant Dot - nobody in the scene really gives a shit about your opinion and what your concerns are - Deluca is part of a multimillion $ business - you on the other hand are an internet embarrassment and have a webpage with spelling error ::) (that screams out professionalism) that probably has less income and sales than mine does from advertisement alone - seriously Vince get real smell the coffee and move on
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According to Chic no one cares about steroids. So why would feds raid them?
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Look I have nothing against you - but I hate people that are full of themself but have fuck all to show for themself....
For god sake would you listen to yourself - Deluca wouldn't have been raided ::) like you tipped the feds off and or better they were knocking on your door begging your to cooperate with them.
Vincent - once and for all understand that in the scheme of things you're such a small little insignificant Dot - nobody in the scene really gives a shit about your opinion and what your concerns are - Deluca is part of a multimillion $ business - you on the other hand are an internet embarrassment and have a webpage with spelling error ::) (that screams out professionalism) that probably has less income and sales than mine does from advertisement alone - seriously Vince get real smell the coffee and move on
I didn't tip off any Feds whatsoever about BB.com or anyone else.... ::)
First off, you never know how much money someone makes so please don't give me that rubbish. There
are lots of broke millionaires out there who will disagree with you on that. Also, just because a company has a lot of advertising doesn't mean that its successful especially with BB.com because its not making the money it used to and now with the FEDS raiding the place, its not going to help out much.
And please be quiet because you are truly are a nobody. Scared of your shadow and afraid you'll end up like Pumpster..... ;D
P.S. I do have an idea as to who's going to be raided next and its prob going to be Species Nutrition
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P.S. I didn't tip off any Feds whatsoever about BB.com or anyone else. But I do have an idea as to who's going to be raided next and its prob going to be Species Nutrition.
why?
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It's all Bushco's fault....ain't they got nothin' better to do damn it.....he's like Hitler.....Oh, I guess the current admin has the same agenda. Wonder why we don't have the "cry of outrage" from certain posters like we did when dubya was in office?
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why?
Because Romano and DA can't keep their mouth's shut.
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It's all Bushco's fault....ain't they got nothin' better to do damn it.....he's like Hitler.....Oh, I guess the current admin has the same agenda. Wonder why we don't have the "cry of outrage" from certain posters like we did when dubya was in office?
Good point, Show. But I'm really more worried that the ultimate Olympia Afterparty at Encore, the hottest club in Vegas, may now be in jeopardy. I can't just return my pirate suit. >:(
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I've been warning Deluca about this for years and he never listened nor did the moderators nor did the forum administrators. Here's one of my last communications a couple of months ago.
I would post my experience on Bodyspace however I've been banned by an idiot moderator on your site again because he or she thinks that I've been spamming from an email address Even though I've written stating that that isn't my email address, its been pretty much ignored. If I was going to use a disposable email address, I would not put my own name on it
I'm getting a little sick and tired of some of your moderator personal vendetta's against me and making false accusations is pretty much libel against me. Clean up your message board site and tell your moderators to stop selling steroids on your site. It doesn't matter whether they are links to other sites or not, if you keep that shit up there the Feds are going to run a train on your ass.
Even though that's not the reason for these raids, the fact is that the lack of actual leadership on the forums has once again landed them on the front page of the news. Not only that, the stuff that they were selling was eventually going to be called out as they were obvious designer steroids and the company reps were pushing that stuff hard on those forum.
Deluca, get this through your thick skull. You were warned and now you have to pay the piper.
Kindly ShutTheFuckUp will you? Every time something like this happens you run on here rambling about how you "warned them" and shit. You haven't done a damn thing. And if you had, why on earth would anyone even take your warnings or even listen to your stupid ass? You always try to interject yourself into the situation as if you had some history there or inside knowledge.
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Good point, Show. But I'm really more worried that the ultimate Olympia Afterparty at Encore, the hottest club in Vegas, may now be in jeopardy. I can't just return my pirate suit. >:(
I'm sure there will some other spots you can frequent in Vegas and rock the pirate suit. I'm just going with the puffy shirt and some spandex shorts.
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I'm sure there will some other spots you can frequent in Vegas and rock the pirate suit. I'm just going with the puffy shirt and some spandex shorts.
Good point. Maybe I'll drift over to Treasure Island and casino greet.
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I'm sure there will some other spots you can frequent in Vegas and rock the pirate suit. I'm just going with the puffy shirt and some spandex shorts.
;)
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I didn't tip off any Feds whatsoever about BB.com or anyone else.... ::)
Are you the one who tipped off the feds?
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over on bb.com the instant anyone starts a thread about this it is deleted by the mods
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over on bb.com the instant anyone starts a thread about this it is deleted by the mods
To BB.com mods: allow one thread to stay and run wild. Merge any new threads on the topic into that thread. After this is forgotten about, delete that thread. ;D
By deleting all threads, it only encourages those posters to post about the situation on boards like getbig where you will not have the ability to delete things after the fact...
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Is this shit true?
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FEDS will be in VEGAS this weekend baby!
Get ready for the big surprise !
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FEDS will be in VEGAS this weekend baby!
Get ready for the big surprise !
Seems like they certainly timed it that way...
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Seems like they certainly timed it that way...
Sounds like all the O guys will be locked up
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FEDS will be in VEGAS this weekend baby!
Get ready for the big surprise !
Oh oh......lotz ob "subpeenis" gonna bee surved dis weakend.
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there is a thread about it over there
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Feds and DEA are NEVER a problem for Chick as he always says Nobody cares about BBs and their Drugs.Well Well Well Mr Chick it seems you were WRONG again.But hey just give that line to the Judge.HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA.I have been saying for ages DEA are reading.You Fools.
Chick will escape he knows nothing ;)
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FEDS will be in VEGAS this weekend baby!
Get ready for the big surprise !
Like what? And how do you know this?
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Sounds like all the O guys will be locked up
How so?
No doubt none of them have gear with them,no need for it a few hours out from the show
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Funny how Chic has not responded to this, if you search my post history I posted here months ago saying that the Fed's were turining their eye towards BB and expect a lot more fire to come there way, this is the tipof the ice berg, if I was an IFBB pro I would be very careful about who I buy from and who I trust.
Chic has spent months defending the criminal behaviour of the pros and now the chickens have come home to roost. It's a good thing BB.com has such great lawyers because your going to need them. ;)
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I've been warning Deluca about this for years and he never listened nor did the moderators nor did the forum administrators. Here's one of my last communications a couple of months ago.
I would post my experience on Bodyspace however I've been banned by an idiot moderator on your site again because he or she thinks that I've been spamming from an email address Even though I've written stating that that isn't my email address, its been pretty much ignored. If I was going to use a disposable email address, I would not put my own name on it
I'm getting a little sick and tired of some of your moderator personal vendetta's against me and making false accusations is pretty much libel against me. Clean up your message board site and tell your moderators to stop selling steroids on your site. It doesn't matter whether they are links to other sites or not, if you keep that shit up there the Feds are going to run a train on your ass.
Even though that's not the reason for these raids, the fact is that the lack of actual leadership on the forums has once again landed them on the front page of the news. Not only that, the stuff that they were selling was eventually going to be called out as they were obvious designer steroids and the company reps were pushing that stuff hard on those forum.
Deluca, get this through your thick skull. You were warned and now you have to pay the piper.
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Vince I hope you are not a rat ???
I've been working on a way to get those taser's from you.
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Funny how Chic has not responded to this, if you search my post history I posted here months ago saying that the Fed's were turining their eye towards BB and expect a lot more fire to come there way, this is the tipof the ice berg, if I was an IFBB pro I would be very careful about who I buy from and who I trust.
Chic has spent months defending the criminal behaviour of the pros and now the chickens have come home to roost. It's a good thing BB.com has such great lawyers because your going to need them. ;)
hey retard, chic hasn't responded because he's at the olympia
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I am licking my chops thinking about all the noobs I am gonna get to pwn when their board gets shut down by the fbi and the posters are forced to come here.
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(http://marvin.hb0da.org/~beavis/archive/files/wtf.jpg)
That's a fukcing HOT picture.
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Chick may be at the Olympia making a few Bucks but Don't think for one minute he is Not reading every post.Hey Chick just tell the DEA and others what you tell all here"Nobody cares about IFBB Pro Drug use"Well Well Well seems they do.
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That's a fukcing HOT picture.
Glad I wasn't the only one thinking that! :D
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I've been warning Deluca about this for years and he never listened nor did the moderators nor did the forum administrators. Here's one of my last communications a couple of months ago.
I would post my experience on Bodyspace however I've been banned by an idiot moderator on your site again because he or she thinks that I've been spamming from an email address Even though I've written stating that that isn't my email address, its been pretty much ignored. If I was going to use a disposable email address, I would not put my own name on it
I'm getting a little sick and tired of some of your moderator personal vendetta's against me and making false accusations is pretty much libel against me. Clean up your message board site and tell your moderators to stop selling steroids on your site. It doesn't matter whether they are links to other sites or not, if you keep that shit up there the Feds are going to run a train on your ass.
Even though that's not the reason for these raids, the fact is that the lack of actual leadership on the forums has once again landed them on the front page of the news. Not only that, the stuff that they were selling was eventually going to be called out as they were obvious designer steroids and the company reps were pushing that stuff hard on those forum.
Deluca, get this through your thick skull. You were warned and now you have to pay the piper.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA
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Looks like a setup by Steve Bieachman 8)
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You're right, some people think I'm delusional and don't listen to me.....but they all learn the hard way that they are the ones that are delusional.
Deluca would not had raided if they kept their staff in the forums on a lease. With company reps preaching that their products were steroids was surely to cause this action to be taken. Now the FEDS are going to grind that company into little pieces and try to shut them down. I don't think they'll be able to but it will be a serious blow to the company revenue
When are you going to get it through your head YOU DO NOT MATTER TO ANYONE. That is why no one listens to you. Honestly you are hated on every board you go on. don't you get the hint. And quit trying to make it sound like you had anything to do with anything. Getbig does the same thing and we are still here. You better watch out cause if the FBI comes and raids Getbig they will take you for impersonating a bodybuilder and black guy.
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When are you going to get it through your head YOU DO NOT MATTER TO ANYONE. That is why no one listens to you. Honestly you are hated on every board you go on. don't you get the hint. And quit trying to make it sound like you had anything to do with anything. Getbig does the same thing and we are still here. You better watch out cause if the FBI comes and raids Getbig they will take you for impersonating a bodybuilder and black guy.
lol ;D
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Where will Method11inchguns get his Nitro Tech and Celltech now???????
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I am licking my chops thinking about all the noobs I am gonna get to pwn when their board gets shut down by the fbi and the posters are forced to come here.
Best post in this thread. lol
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http://sports.yahoo.com/top/news?slug=ap-supplementsearch&prov=ap&type=lgns (http://sports.yahoo.com/top/news?slug=ap-supplementsearch&prov=ap&type=lgns)
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/25/sports/baseball/25doping.html?em (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/25/sports/baseball/25doping.html?em)
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one day after the Mr. O
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so will the typical idiot defenders (read : chic) come on here and try to downplay it like the Lee Thompson fiasco?
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What are they putting in Lana's eggwhites?
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They are going to Layne Norton's house next.
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maybe he will say that once you cross the I's and dot the T's the numbers dont add up ::)
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Same issues as others who are getting raided. If the compounds that some of the manufacturers are in a shady area, hence...
What we need is a clear list of which products are like that, not go raid some company or manufacturer and then let the stores, distributors and other retail outlets worry about it.
Kinda like buying a cold medicine in Indiana, and then trying to buy another one in less than 7 days. You can get arrested for that.
In any case, a statement from bodybuilding.com should be coming soon.
Interesting timing though...
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Serves them right for selling online.
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Same issues as others who are getting raided. If the compounds that some of the manufacturers are in a shady area, hence...
What we need is a clear list of which products are like that, not go raid some company or manufacturer and then let the stores, distributors and other retail outlets worry about it.
Kinda like buying a cold medicine in Indiana, and then trying to buy another one in less than 7 days. You can get arrested for that.
In any case, a statement from bodybuilding.com should be coming soon.
Interesting timing though...
So the FDA don't release a statement about these products being bannedbefore the raid?
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Same issues as others who are getting raided. If the compounds that some of the manufacturers are in a shady area, hence...
What we need is a clear list of which products are like that, not go raid some company or manufacturer and then let the stores, distributors and other retail outlets worry about it.
Kinda like buying a cold medicine in Indiana, and then trying to buy another one in less than 7 days. You can get arrested for that.
In any case, a statement from bodybuilding.com should be coming soon.
Interesting timing though...
Apparently they received warning letters from the FDA about which products were banned. Why would they then keep selling them? They would be begging for government attention.
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Things that just WON'T go away.
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Wow Vince are you saying you warned them about Selling Illegal Drugs??????
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maybe caliburshitness is next on the DEA hit list ::)
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Wow Vince are you saying you warned them about Selling Illegal Drugs??????
There were open solicitations and they had an AAS board specifically for trafficking anabolic steroids, they were selling prohormore and they had reps that were running around screaming we have the best steroids, get them before they are seized.
It wasn't just me it was a lot of people that warned Ryan about this matter but he and his staff failed to listen to anyone. I guess with all the money rolling in, it was hard to resist
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So the FDA don't release a statement about these products being bannedbefore the raid?
Whatever warning letters they got, or any distributor gets, they comply with. Simple as that. The problem is that on some items, there is no warning letters, and in this case, it looks like they just went into there and started to check every item they think is a pro-hormone. Bodybuilding.com does not sell steroids - they are pro-hormones.
The problem is that many of us would like a simple place where we can check on products.
It is easier to go after the distributor or store instead of the manufacturer.
If the FDA wanted these products to be gone, all they needed to do with give a site saying 'These products are considered steroid like pro-hormones and should not be sold'. Then, they would be removed from the stores, sites, etc.
It is much easier to go in with a bang, raid the retail stores outlets, and create a brew-ha-ha with the media than actually taking care of the problem.
They did it the right way with ephedra a few years back. They sent a warning letter to all, posted on the website, give a list of products, and said any items that contain this compounds or this brand name after this date will be considered illegal.
So come on now, all we need is a simple list saying 'IFORCE so and so product' is not considered standard by DSHEA and is subject to seizure.
Simple as that.
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Is Chick at such a loss for words, that you are doing PR for him?
Whatever warning letters they got, or any distributor gets, they comply with. Simple as that. The problem is that on some items, there is no warning letters, and in this case, it looks like they just went into there and started to check every item they think is a pro-hormone. Bodybuilding.com does not sell steroids - they are pro-hormones.
The problem is that many of us would like a simple place where we can check on products.
It is easier to go after the distributor or store instead of the manufacturer.
If the FDA wanted these products to be gone, all they needed to do with give a site saying 'These products are considered steroid like pro-hormones and should not be sold'. Then, they would be removed from the stores, sites, etc.
It is much easier to go in with a bang, raid the retail stores outlets, and create a brew-ha-ha with the media than actually taking care of the problem.
They did it the right way with ephedra a few years back. They sent a warning letter to all, posted on the website, give a list of products, and said any items that contain this compounds or this brand name after this date will be considered illegal.
So come on now, all we need is a simple list saying 'IFORCE so and so product' is not considered standard by DSHEA and is subject to seizure.
Simple as that.
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Is Chick at such a loss for words, that you are doing PR for him?
No...he's just explaining the obvious, which I see needs to be explained to you
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Stupid
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Whatever warning letters they got, or any distributor gets, they comply with. Simple as that. The problem is that on some items, there is no warning letters, and in this case, it looks like they just went into there and started to check every item they think is a pro-hormone. Bodybuilding.com does not sell steroids - they are pro-hormones.
The problem is that many of us would like a simple place where we can check on products.
It is easier to go after the distributor or store instead of the manufacturer.
If the FDA wanted these products to be gone, all they needed to do with give a site saying 'These products are considered steroid like pro-hormones and should not be sold'. Then, they would be removed from the stores, sites, etc.
It is much easier to go in with a bang, raid the retail stores outlets, and create a brew-ha-ha with the media than actually taking care of the problem.
They did it the right way with ephedra a few years back. They sent a warning letter to all, posted on the website, give a list of products, and said any items that contain this compounds or this brand name after this date will be considered illegal.
So come on now, all we need is a simple list saying 'IFORCE so and so product' is not considered standard by DSHEA and is subject to seizure.
Simple as that.
Actually Ron, a product list does exist. It's the schedule in the US Code. It covers certain metabolites that are contained in the very products they sold. They did not seize anything that was not already illegal. And its not the governments job to test everything for the wholesaler and then post a list of what is banned. That's the job of the mfg and the sellers. BB.com is gonna get charged with distribution of a controlled substance. Like it or not, that's the outcome here.
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Whatever warning letters they got, or any distributor gets, they comply with. Simple as that. The problem is that on some items, there is no warning letters, and in this case, it looks like they just went into there and started to check every item they think is a pro-hormone. Bodybuilding.com does not sell steroids - they are pro-hormones.
The problem is that many of us would like a simple place where we can check on products.
It is easier to go after the distributor or store instead of the manufacturer.
If the FDA wanted these products to be gone, all they needed to do with give a site saying 'These products are considered steroid like pro-hormones and should not be sold'. Then, they would be removed from the stores, sites, etc.
It is much easier to go in with a bang, raid the retail stores outlets, and create a brew-ha-ha with the media than actually taking care of the problem.
They did it the right way with ephedra a few years back. They sent a warning letter to all, posted on the website, give a list of products, and said any items that contain this compounds or this brand name after this date will be considered illegal.
So come on now, all we need is a simple list saying 'IFORCE so and so product' is not considered standard by DSHEA and is subject to seizure.
Simple as that.
Ephedra is an herbal root while the stuff they are selling are anabolic steroids. They can call it a prohormone if they like but prohormones are banned anyway. That's why the Feds are raiding these facilities including IFORCE today.
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Actually Ron, a product list does exist. It's the schedule in the US Code. It covers certain metabolites that are contained in the very products they sold. They did not seize anything that was not already illegal.
Really, a product list... can you give me the link for that.. it will help me and others..
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Bodybuilding.com does not sell steroids - they are pro-hormones.
They do sell anabolic steroids. If it is illegal to sell them is debatable, but they are anabolic steroids technically speaking. Patrick Arnold did time for supplying substances not more illegal than the ones sold by bb.com. Madol was one steroid Patrick supplied to athletes and is also one bb.com has been selling. If PA was in the wrong then why isn't bb.com also? It's also telling that the biggest supplement players don't touch these substances - they knew they are potential legal trouble.
Really, a product list... can you give me the link for that.. it will help me and others..
The following is the government list of products alleged to contain anabolic steroids and unapproved/misbranded new drugs and fraudulently marketed as dietary supplements.
1. 4EVER FIT D-Drol
2. ADVANCED MUSCLE SCIENCE Dienedrone
3. ADVANCED MUSCLE SCIENCE Liquidrone UTT
4. ANABOLIC XTREME Hyperdrol H2
5. APS (aka ADVANCE MUSCLE SCIENCE) Mastavol
6. APS (aka ADVANCE MUSCLE SCIENCE) Revamp
7. APS (aka ADVANCE MUSCLE SCIENCE) Ultra Mass Stack
8. APS (aka ADVANCE MUSCLE SCIENCE) Ripped Stack
9. BETTER BODY SPORTS Finadex
10. BLACK CHINA LABS Straight Drol
11. BLACK CHINA LABS Straight Phlexed
12. BODY CONDITIONING SOLUTIONS TestraFLEX
13. BJORKLUND Methyldrostanolone
14. BOSC ENTERPRISES Epi-Tren
15. BOSC ENTERPRISES Magna Drol
16. CHAPARRAL LABS Epivol
17. CHAPARRAL LABS Pheravol-V
18. COMPETITIVE EDGE LABS M-Drol
19. COMPETITIVE EDGE LABS P-Plex
20. COMPETITIVE EDGE LABS X-tren
21. DIABOLIC LABS Epio-Plex
22. DIABOLIC LABS Finabolic 50
23. DIABOLIC LABS Revenge
24. ERGOPHARM 6-OXO
25. ERGOPHARM 6-OXO Extreme
26. EST (aka ENGINEERED SPORTS TECHNOLOGY) MethAnstance
27. EXTREME LABS Susto-Test Depot = This is GetItOnNY's product
28. FIZOGEN ON Cycle II Hardcore
29. GET (GENETIC EDGE TECHNOLOGIES) SUS-500
30. GET (GENETIC EDGE TECHNOLOGIES) Tren-250
31. HARDCORE FORMULATIONS T-Roid
32. IFORCE NUTRITION 1,4 AD Bold 200
33. IFORCE NUTRITION 17a PheraFLEX
34. IFORCE NUTRITION Dymethazine
35. IFORCE NUTRITION Methadrol
36. IDS (aka INNOVATIVE DELIVERY SYSTEMS) Bromodrol
37. IDS (aka INNOVATIVE DELIVERY SYSTEMS) Grow Tabs TR
38. IDS (aka INNOVATIVE DELIVERY SYSTEMS) Mass Tabs
39. IDS (aka INNOVATIVE DELIVERY SYSTEMS) Oxodrol Pro
40. IDS (aka INNOVATIVE DELIVERY SYSTEMS) Ripped Tabs TR
41. KILO SPORTS Massdrol
42. KILO SPORTS Phera-Mass
43. KILO SPORTS Trenadrol
44. MONSTER CAPS Monster Caps
45. MYOGENIX Spawn
46. NUTRA COASTAL D-Stianozol
47. NUTRA COASTAL H-Drol
48. NUTRA COASTAL S-Drol
49. NUTRA COASTAL Trena
50. PERFORMANCE ANABOLICS Methastadrol
51. PERFORMANCE ANABOLICS Tri-Methyl X
52. PURUS LABS E-pol Inslinsified
53. PURUS LABS Nasty Mass
54. RAGE RV2
55. RAGE RV3
56. RAGE RV4
57. RAGE RV5
58. REDEFINE NUTRITION Finaflex 550-XD
59. REDEFINE NUTRITION Finaflex Ripped
60. TRANSFORM SUPPLEMENTS Forged Extreme Mass
61. TRANSFORM SUPPLEMENTS Forged Lean Mass
http://www.mesomorphosis.com/blog/2009/09/25/bodybuilding-com-raided-in-criminal-steroid-investigation-on-eve-of-ifbb-olympia-weekend/
So come on now, all we need is a simple list saying 'IFORCE so and so product' is not considered standard by DSHEA and is subject to seizure.
Simple as that.
Here's Patrick Arnold's view on what is DSHEA compliant among the "pro-hormones" sold today. Some may say he's biased but I'm inclined to believe he understands the law pretty well.
1) there really are no actual prohormones out there anymore other than 11-oxo, epiadrosterone, dhea, androsterone. these all stick by the principles that the original prohormones were meant to stand by. All true prohormones have a check on abuse potential because of the limitations of conversion in the body to active hormones. There was an argument for them until people starting selling stuff like 1-test and then the methyls. That ruined any defense we had
many of these products have zero evidence of being dshea compliant so they would be easy to pull off the market under current law.
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They do sell anabolic steroids. If it is illegal to sell them is debatable, but they are anabolic steroids technically speaking. Patrick Arnold did time for supplying substances not more illegal than the ones sold by bb.com. Madol was one steroid Patrick supplied to athletes and is also one bb.com has been selling. If PA was in the wrong then why isn't bb.com also? It's also telling that the biggest supplement players don't touch these substances - they knew they are potential legal trouble.
http://www.mesomorphosis.com/blog/2009/09/25/bodybuilding-com-raided-in-criminal-steroid-investigation-on-eve-of-ifbb-olympia-weekend/
The whole issue is what the govt "considers" a steroid...not to long ago, pro-hormones were just that, and NOT considered a steroid...then the govt said they were. Now you have a myriad of other supps in the same situation.
If they get it passed, the ONLY thing you'll be able to get is protein powder
Either way, it's ridiculous and a waste of taxpayer money
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The following is the government list of products alleged to contain anabolic steroids and unapproved/misbranded new drugs and fraudulently marketed as dietary supplements or just plain worthless.
1. 4EVER FIT D-Drol
2. ADVANCED MUSCLE SCIENCE Dienedrone
3. ADVANCED MUSCLE SCIENCE Liquidrone UTT
4. ANABOLIC XTREME Hyperdrol H2
5. APS (aka ADVANCE MUSCLE SCIENCE) Mastavol
6. APS (aka ADVANCE MUSCLE SCIENCE) Revamp
7. APS (aka ADVANCE MUSCLE SCIENCE) Ultra Mass Stack
8. APS (aka ADVANCE MUSCLE SCIENCE) Ripped Stack
9. BETTER BODY SPORTS Finadex
10. BLACK CHINA LABS Straight Drol
11. BLACK CHINA LABS Straight Phlexed
12. BODY CONDITIONING SOLUTIONS TestraFLEX
13. BJORKLUND Methyldrostanolone
14. BOSC ENTERPRISES Epi-Tren
15. BOSC ENTERPRISES Magna Drol
16. CHAPARRAL LABS Epivol
17. CHAPARRAL LABS Pheravol-V
18. COMPETITIVE EDGE LABS M-Drol
19. COMPETITIVE EDGE LABS P-Plex
20. COMPETITIVE EDGE LABS X-tren
21. DIABOLIC LABS Epio-Plex
22. DIABOLIC LABS Finabolic 50
23. DIABOLIC LABS Revenge
24. ERGOPHARM 6-OXO
25. ERGOPHARM 6-OXO Extreme
26. EST (aka ENGINEERED SPORTS TECHNOLOGY) MethAnstance
27. EXTREME LABS Susto-Test Depot = This is GetItOnNY's product
28. FIZOGEN ON Cycle II Hardcore
29. GET (GENETIC EDGE TECHNOLOGIES) SUS-500
30. GET (GENETIC EDGE TECHNOLOGIES) Tren-250
31. HARDCORE FORMULATIONS T-Roid
32. IFORCE NUTRITION 1,4 AD Bold 200
33. IFORCE NUTRITION 17a PheraFLEX
34. IFORCE NUTRITION Dymethazine
35. IFORCE NUTRITION Methadrol
36. IDS (aka INNOVATIVE DELIVERY SYSTEMS) Bromodrol
37. IDS (aka INNOVATIVE DELIVERY SYSTEMS) Grow Tabs TR
38. IDS (aka INNOVATIVE DELIVERY SYSTEMS) Mass Tabs
39. IDS (aka INNOVATIVE DELIVERY SYSTEMS) Oxodrol Pro
40. IDS (aka INNOVATIVE DELIVERY SYSTEMS) Ripped Tabs TR
41. KILO SPORTS Massdrol
42. KILO SPORTS Phera-Mass
43. KILO SPORTS Trenadrol
44. MONSTER CAPS Monster Caps
45. MYOGENIX Spawn
46. NUTRA COASTAL D-Stianozol
47. NUTRA COASTAL H-Drol
48. NUTRA COASTAL S-Drol
49. NUTRA COASTAL Trena
50. PERFORMANCE ANABOLICS Methastadrol
51. PERFORMANCE ANABOLICS Tri-Methyl X
52. PURUS LABS E-pol Inslinsified
53. PURUS LABS Nasty Mass
54. RAGE RV2
55. RAGE RV3
56. RAGE RV4
57. RAGE RV5
58. REDEFINE NUTRITION Finaflex 550-XD
59. REDEFINE NUTRITION Finaflex Ripped
60. TRANSFORM SUPPLEMENTS Forged Extreme Mass
61. TRANSFORM SUPPLEMENTS Forged Lean Mass
62. CALIBER FITNESS Bee Pollen
63. CALIBER FITNESS Magic Stick
64. CALIBER FITNESS Two-Headed Dildo for Men
65. CALIBER FITNESS Blow-up Pale White Vissy Doll
66. CALIBER FITNESS Darker Skin Tone for Bodybuilding Contests
67. CALIBER FITNESS Stupidity and Delusional Pills (180 caps and 900 caps)
68. CALIBER FITNESS Arm Lengthier Pills
69. CALIBER FITNESS Mirror (makes you look good even when you look like shit)
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The whole issue is what the govt "considers" a steroid...not to long ago, pro-hormones were just that, and NOT considered a steroid...then the govt said they were. Now you have a myriad of other supps in the same situation.
If they get it passed, the ONLY thing you'll be able to get is protein powder
Either way, it's ridiculous and a waste of taxpayer money
Sure, it can be debated what is legal and not. But anyone who knows anything about steroids knows and knew that selling methylated orals, bonafide anabolic steroids not found in nature, would be bad news eventually. It makes the whole supplement industry suffer. No one has expected the law to allow this to go on. This was bound to happen - I don't think anyone is surprised.
Many of these products are pretty damn dangerous. Some even contain 3-4 different methyls in a single pill. It's like stacking Dbol, Anadrol, Halotestin and Winstrol at once. Not a good idea since most consumers WILL think they are totally safe since they bought it as a nutritional supplement, certainly not as a potent and very toxic anabolic steroid combo. "Prohormones are not real anabolic steroids", is what most consumers will think.
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Bodybuilding.com raid seized more than 2,800 items at Meridian, Boise warehouses
http://www.idahostatesman.com/newsupdates/story/921756.html (http://www.idahostatesman.com/newsupdates/story/921756.html)
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Bodybuilding.com raid seized more than 2,800 items at Meridian, Boise warehouses
http://www.idahostatesman.com/newsupdates/story/921756.html (http://www.idahostatesman.com/newsupdates/story/921756.html)
Most boxes have about 300 bottles in it so that's really about 8 or 9 boxes. Of course it sounds better saying 2800 items
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I hear the feds are going after bee pollen next.
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Most boxes have about 300 bottles in it so that's really about 8 or 9 boxes. Of course it sounds better saying 2800 items
Dear Lord, you just love hearing yourself talk don't you? Vince, everyone hates you. Please shut the fuck up already.
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Dear Lord, you just love hearing yourself talk don't you? Vince, everyone hates you. Please shut the fuck up already.
I must be really good when I can be addressing another topic and someone just melts down because of it.
I'm glad i didn't insult you, I wouldn't want your suicide on my hands...... ;D
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I must be really good when I can be addressing another topic and someone just melts down because of it.
I'm glad i didn't insult you, I wouldn't want your suicide on my hands...... ;D
Don't give yourself too much credit, big boy. You're already as delusional as it gets. Look at how you chime in on every discussion and try to flip it over about yourself. Just trying to keep your grounded and remind you about the kind of scumbag loser you are.
For a second there it almost looked like you thought you were important we can't have you go on thinking like that. You're a loser, Vince. Unplug the Ethernet cable and step in front of a bus. It would do us all a great favor. Much appreciation. :)
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The list of verified....
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Dear Lord, you just love hearing yourself talk don't you? Vince, everyone hates you. Please shut the fuck up already.
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The list of verified....
wow can you link that thread?
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van b avatar is good,,
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van b avatar is good,,
I'm thinking Van B vists ATS
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Don't give yourself too much credit, big boy. You're already as delusional as it gets. Look at how you chime in on every discussion and try to flip it over about yourself. Just trying to keep your grounded and remind you about the kind of scumbag loser you are.
For a second there it almost looked like you thought you were important we can't have you go on thinking like that. You're a loser, Vince. Unplug the Ethernet cable and step in front of a bus. It would do us all a great favor. Much appreciation. :)
The only person obsessing about me is you.... ;D
BTW, I have wireless internet.
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The only person obsessing about me is you.... ;D
BTW, I have wireless internet.
Hey Vince you have been looking better lately you think its due to the supplements or training (no homo)
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I never get tired of that pic...lol.
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Hey Vince you have been looking better lately you think its due to the supplements or training (no homo)
Its a matter of competing more and training more. You just get better in dieting and training and you figure out what works and what doesn't. Its just a matter of being more experienced at knowing your body and what needs to be done and then building from there.
Ultimately, people are obsessed with my appearance in 2004 and don't realize that 5 years have passed. Just wait until next year because I'm training the legs heavy and they are responding pretty well.
(http://photos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs192.snc1/6455_101978199816399_100000126592755_53346_71614_n.jpg)
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Does BB.com do 200 million a year in sales?