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Back from Vegas...any RELEVANT questions of the Olympia can be asked here, I'll do my best to answer....anything else will get deleted.
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Bob, who was the biggest surprise to you in regards to higher placing than expected and lower placing than expected?
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Easy call....Branch and Wolf
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Regarding Phil Heath,why were emergency medics called to his room? Is he ok?
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Because you were on stage with the athletes,
who where the most unhappy about their placings?
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Regarding Phil Heath,why were emergency medics called to his room? Is he ok?
Food poisoning...got some bad fish, or chicken...was basically in the bathroom for the better part of thursday night/ friday morning. It's amazing he still looked as good as he did for the PJ
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Regarding Phil Heath,why were emergency medics called to his room? Is he ok?
word is, "the gift" got too large of a dose of reality on saturday and his cocky
genes couldn't handle it
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Because you were on stage with the athletes,
who where the most unhappy about their placings?
Wolf...because of HIS conditioning, not the judging.
Melvin/ Silvio...because of the judging
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Your top 5?
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Food poisoning...got some bad fish, or chicken...was basically in the bathroom for the better part of thursday night/ friday morning. It's amazing he still looked as good as he did for the PJ
no pun on you chick, but i am calling BS on this one
how many times do we hear this same story about guys days before competitions???
these bb's must have the worst luck in the world with food poisoning, or it is a cover up
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Your top 5?
Jay
Dex
Branch
Kai
Phil
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no pun on you chick, but i am calling BS on this one
how many times do we hear this same story about guys days before competitions???
these bb's must have the worst luck in the world with food poisoning, or it is a cover up
It's not BS, it's called REALITY. Why does it happen so much? Simple...The body is in a very fragile state when you have been dieting for 12-16 weeks and dropping your BF to 2-3%, thus making your resistance very low, you're beat up from low carbs, cardio, etc. Add to that the travel and stress of competing, and it's very probable that you can get sick....obviously, this it the extreme, but trust me...Phil had his eye on the prize.
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Food poisoning...got some bad fish, or chicken...was basically in the bathroom for the better part of thursday night/ friday morning. It's amazing he still looked as good as he did for the PJ
Thanks Bob
If judging was based on Saturday night alone,how would you have called it?
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Can you see why judges put Branch over Dex?
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no pun on you chick, but i am calling BS on this one
how many times do we hear this same story about guys days before competitions???
these bb's must have the worst luck in the world with food poisoning, or it is a cover up
seriously, food poisoning is very common at this stage of depleting/loading.
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Thanks Bob
If judging was based on Saturday night alone,how would you have called it?
Jay
Dex/ Phil
Branch
Kai
Vic/Toney
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Can you see why judges put Branch over Dex?
Yes, a case can be made..he carries as much muscle as anyone on the stage and was ripped to the bone. That said...it was only a 1 POINT decision, could have easily gone the other way.
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Hello Chick, What did u think of Ronnie Rockel ?Thanks
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Chick, you mentioned on the radio show major(ish) changes to the schedule etc next season. Sounds interesting. Can you forward how things are looking?
Thanks.
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Hello Chick, What did u think of Ronnie Rockel ?Thanks
Awesome...his best presentation to date. If he had a better back, he could even place higher. Could be a guy to take a few titles should he compete more on the circuit.
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Chick,
Would ben Pukalski have broken the top 15 in this lineup? How about Faoud?
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Wolf...because of HIS conditioning, not the judging.
Melvin/ Silvio...because of the judging
Really? Do you think they should have been top 10? Of course it's different being there and looking at pics, but I think they got what they deserve. Silvio, imo, out of all people should be happy about his placings. Dude has gotten a lot of "gift," placings.
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Bob - what's your opinion about the prejudging scoring system? We are used to getting two set of points.
Old system: Winning with perfect points - 5+5=10
New system: 5=5
New system reduces the meaning of prejudging from 50% to 33%. What do you think about that?
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Also why is it the 202 class and not 200??
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Chick, you mentioned on the radio show major(ish) changes to the schedule etc next season. Sounds interesting. Can you forward how things are looking?
Thanks.
Biggest change will be to the posing round, which will no longer be scored as such...and that the judging will be much harder on saturday night and count more in the final tally, as the points system will be changed to accomodate giving guys a chance to catch up.
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seriously, food poisoning is very common at this stage of depleting/loading.
if it is the bodies weaked state causing the sickness, then it is not "food poisoning"
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Bob - what's your opinion about the prejudging scoring system? We are used to getting two set of points.
Old system: Winning with perfect points - 5+5=10
New system: 5=5
New system reduces the meaning of prejudging from 50% to 33%. What do you think about that?
Not quite sure where you came up with these %, but the old system was based on rounds 1&2 combined, thus the doubling of scoring...the problem I have with that, is that it made it mathematically impossible for someone to catch up at night basically making the night show irrelevant from the judging standpoint...
see above post for more...
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Also why is it the 202 class and not 200??
Why not?
200 is too low, as it only allows for a 2 lb. gain for someone coming from the lt. Heavyweight division...
My personal preference.....205
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Biggest change will be to the posing round, which will no longer be scored as such...and that the judging will be much harder on saturday night and count more in the final tally, as the points system will be changed to accomodate giving guys a chance to catch up.
Thanks.
With regard to the actual schedule; you commented that things will be kicking off [the '2010' season] in November this year? I have been looking around the web and cannot find anything, as of yet. Are the schedulers/promotors taking note of your suggestions to completely revamp the scheduling, given your comments regarding the large 'gaps' in the schedule, which has been the norm for a while now? If so, how are the shows looking to line up this year {date wise, not competitior wise, obviously}
Thanks again.
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Thanks.
With regard to the actual schedule; you commented that things will be kicking off [the '2010' season] in November this year? I have been looking around the web and cannot find anything, as of yet. Are the schedulers/promotors taking note of your suggestions to completely revamp the scheduling, given your comments regarding the large 'gaps' in the schedule, which has been the norm for a while now? If so, how are the shows looking to line up this year {date wise, not competitior wise, obviously}
Thanks again.
Yes...we refer to anything AFTER the Olympia as the "nebxt" season, as any show would qualify you for 2010...
The revamping of the schedule will take time as you have different promoters with different agendas, time restraints, venue bookings, some are combined with NPC events which have a long standing place on the calander, etc...
were doing as best as we can, as fast as we can
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Were you shocked by the pure domination displayed by Jay? In my opinion it was the best he has ever looked and the best a Mr. O winner has looked in about 10 years. He made the rest of the top 5 look like school children. His width and detail was simply amazing. What do you think?
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Not quite sure where you came up with these %, but the old system was based on rounds 1&2 combined, thus the doubling of scoring...the problem I have with that, is that it made it mathematically impossible for someone to catch up at night basically making the night show irrelevant from the judging standpoint...
see above post for more...
Thanks for the answers. What I meant about the percentages is that old days 50% of the total score came from prejudging. Now since the doubling of points is gone prejudging is worth of 1/3 of total points.
I agree that the new system will change things up. Branch is a fine example who benefited greatly about the system.
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Bob,
1) Why was the Olympia stage so high? Even the judges, who are behind 5 rows of people could only see the front of the stage. During the fitness routines, the judges were watching the center video screen because they couldn't see the competitors.
2) The women's judging and 202 shows are held on the expo stage, copying the Arnold model. Why not have an area big enough for everyone to sit down? Standing room only for nearly 3 hours isn't cutting it, leave that for the Arnold.
3) The judges got the placings right, except for Mo in 10th. How in the world did he beat Silvio, Melvin, Gustavo, & Dennis?
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Bob,
On friday we all sat for ever waiting for the men's show while the she-man beasts were on....in the
upcoming years is there any chance of putting the women's comp AFTER the men's prejudging????
I am guessing they put it before so it looks as if there is a fan base for the women, but in all honesty,
it is just people waiting to see the men's prejudging.
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Biggest change will be to the posing round, which will no longer be scored as such...and that the judging will be much harder on saturday night and count more in the final tally, as the points system will be changed to accomodate giving guys a chance to catch up.
LOL Just for Phil Heath Weider/AMI reinvent their whole judging system??
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Were you shocked by the pure domination displayed by Jay? In my opinion it was the best he has ever looked and the best a Mr. O winner has looked in about 10 years. He made the rest of the top 5 look like school children. His width and detail was simply amazing. What do you think?
Shocked? no
It has always been there, but Jay didnt "bring it" the past two years IMO...I think people tend to forget how good Jay is because he was always in the shadow of the great Ronnie for many years
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Bob you looked massive in pics, what are you weighing in at nowadays?
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Bob,
1) Why was the Olympia stage so high? Even the judges, who are behind 5 rows of people could only see the front of the stage. During the fitness routines, the judges were watching the center video screen because they couldn't see the competitors.
2) The women's judging and 202 shows are held on the expo stage, copying the Arnold model. Why not have an area big enough for everyone to sit down? Standing room only for nearly 3 hours isn't cutting it, leave that for the Arnold.
3) The judges got the placings right, except for Mo in 10th. How in the world did he beat Silvio, Melvin, Gustavo, & Dennis?
1. It's tough o accomodate everyone at a show...if the stage is too high, then the legs get cutoff inpics, if it's too low, then the view is obscured for the people seated on the floor, etc...we have already looked into eliminating the second tier for next years show, and movi g the photogs to appease everyone as much as possible.
2. They DO have an area big enough to sit down....for people who PAID. Buy a ticket, you can sit all day...the rest are free to VISIT THE BOOTHS (hint,hint)
3. Anytime you start getting to 10,11, 12, etc...it gets harder to judge IMO..you can make a case for any of them, and the points seperating them were few.
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LOL Just for Phil Heath Weider/AMI reinvent their whole judging system??
HUH?
Not sure how revamping the judging system (which has been long overdue) favores any ONE competitor
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Bob you looked massive in pics, what are you weighing in at nowadays?
about 270-73
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Jay
Dex
Branch
Kai
Phil
You place Branch above Kai....interesting.
Would you mind telling me why you think Branch was better?
Other than that I agree 100%
PS You looked frickin big as shit Bob, and nice suit....no joke
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Chick, first off you and everyone at Bodybuilding.com did a great job with the Olympia and the live streaming broadcast. I appreciated it. Thank you.
My question was actually raised by 240 is Back in a previous thread. At the end of the show while interviewing Jay you mentioned( I am paraphrasing here) "that while last year even though Jay did not technically have the title, he was always Mr Olympia". Obviously this in reference to Dex's reign as Mr Olympia. Do you feel Dex did not do enough for the sport by not promoting it enough or just seemed to not have widespread appeal even though he did win the Olympia last year?
Thank you.
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Chick, first off you and everyone at Bodybuilding.com did a great job with the Olympia and the live streaming broadcast. I appreciated it. Thank you.
My question was actually raised by 240 is Back in a previous thread. At the end of the show while interviewing Jay you mentioned( I am paraphrasing here) "that while last year even though Jay did not technically have the title, he was always Mr Olympia". Obviously this in reference to Dex's reign as Mr Olympia. Do you feel Dex did not do enough for the sport by not promoting it enough or just seemed to not have widespread appeal even though he did win the Olympia last year?
Thank you.
Thank you bro...
Concerning the comment to Jay, It had more to do with Jay and his demeanor, representation, etc...then anything to do with Dexter. My point was, that even though Jay didn't have the title, that he was still "Mr. Olympia", a sentiment shared by many as his fan base was loud and clear over the weekend...
No disrespect to Dex, as he was a fine Mr. Olympia...
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Chick,
What will it take for Wolf to become Mr O? He has the structure but was way off this year. What does he need to bring next time?
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2. They DO have an area big enough to sit down....for people who PAID. Buy a ticket, you can sit all day...the rest are free to VISIT THE BOOTHS (hint,hint)
Well, you have to buy a $15 expo ticket just to get in the door, so everyone paid to be there. I agree with putting the VIP ticketholder seats up front, but there should be enough seating behind those chairs for the rest of the people. Why not hold the women's judging and 202 shows in the Orleans showroom? It's sized perfectly and would be another ticket to sell for the promoters.
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Chick,
What will it take for Wolf to become Mr O? He has the structure but was way off this year. What does he need to bring next time?
Conditioning, first....then he needs to bring up the weak points (hams/arms/lower back)
He has the structure, but that aint enough at this level
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Chick be honest. Did Dexter piss you off at how slow he walked onto the stage almost making a mockery of it? He just seemed too cocky and disrespected the show and the other athletes with his demeanour. I still think that is why he was placed in third. He didn't represent the sport well at all with his actions.
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Well, you have to buy a $15 expo ticket just to get in the door, so everyone paid to be there. I agree with putting the VIP ticketholder seats up front, but there should be enough seating behind those chairs for the rest of the people. Why not hold the women's judging and 202 shows in the Orleans showroom? It's sized perfectly and would be another ticket to sell for the promoters.
You pay to enter the expo, almost everything is included with that...except the choice seating for the shows.
The answer to why we dont hold the 202 and womens in the Orleans showroom is simple....we have an expo going on, and want the people to attend, making it more conveinient for everyone...it's tough enough with the split between the venue/arena/ LVCC
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No disrespect to Dex, as he was a fine Mr. Olympia...
How exactly? Has this guy moved the sport forward for just one inch in the past 12 months?
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Chick,any sign of Big(gums) Sean allen?
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How exactly? Has this guy moved the sport forward for just one inch in the past 12 months?
What were your expectations of him?
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First off great job mc'ing chick. My question is do you agree with pj being held on Friday and the posing round being held on Saturday.
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Thank you.
Ideallly? No
But business is what ti's all about at the end of the day, and was the reason we moved the PJ to Friday night...more revenue allows us to do things like increase prize money...
I'm sure if we asked the athletes if they would give up the increase in purse to have the PJ on Sat morning...we would have a unamimous answer.
They are pro's...they adapt. (most of us came from the NPC where we did that for years, anyway)
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Chick, have you seen the thread about announcing the second place winner first??
You think Branch's amazing accomplishment was a bit downplayed by NOT being acknowledged, well at least Jay lifted his hand to congratulate him. But don't you think they should go back to the old method of announcing the top two?
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Do you have the judging scores.
Did Jay win the symmetry round?
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Bob, what's your opinion on the whole Stan Efferding/Johnnie Jackson/Ben White lift-off?
You were onstage with the mic when Stan jumped up there, and looked to stop Stan from just jumping on the bench and making a fool out of the other two guys.
Why was Stan barred from competing, when there was plenty enough time to have him added to the event? Was it "politics" or in order to create hype for next year?
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Chick, have you seen the thread about announcing the second place winner first??
You think Branch's amazing accomplishment was a bit downplayed by NOT being acknowledged, well at least Jay lifted his hand to congratulate him. But don't you think they should go back to the old method of announcing the top two?
Thanks Brutal for reminding him, I was thinking the same thing. Guys 3-6 got to do their curtain call. #2 guy - especially a surprise like Branch I felt should have been acknowledged, but got lost when Jay was announced. They announce 2nd place at the Arnold, and I don't think it destroys the moment.
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Jay won every round!!!
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You pay to enter the expo, almost everything is included with that...except the choice seating for the shows.
The answer to why we dont hold the 202 and womens in the Orleans showroom is simple....we have an expo going on, and want the people to attend, making it more conveinient for everyone...it's tough enough with the split between the venue/arena/ LVCC
Making a business decision to not have enough seating for everyone interested in watching the show really stinks. It's hard enough to attract fans to a women's show, and when there are finally enough fans to make a good sized crowd of spectators, they are offered standing room only and encouraged to keep moving along and visit the expo booths.
Bob, is there room to hold the expo in the Orleans arena? Put the booths around the arena corridor and have the stage available for shows. That eliminates travel to the LVCC and makes everything happen in one place with seating and vendor booths.
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Back from Vegas...any RELEVANT questions of the Olympia can be asked here, I'll do my best to answer....anything else will get deleted.
Chick, you did a good Job MCing. who gave you the wrong list of the top six?..... ;)
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Chick, have you seen the thread about announcing the second place winner first??
You think Branch's amazing accomplishment was a bit downplayed by NOT being acknowledged, well at least Jay lifted his hand to congratulate him. But don't you think they should go back to the old method of announcing the top two?
Lol.
The focus will ALWAYS be on the Nr 1.
If they say Nr 2 before the first place, people with still cheer to the one that got first place Right away, even when the second one is reciving his award.
So this way it alot better.
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Did you write this "save face for Phil Heath" script, or did Allan Donnely?
Food poisoning...got some bad fish, or chicken...was basically in the bathroom for the better part of thursday night/ friday morning. It's amazing he still looked as good as he did for the PJ
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Nice work MCing chick. And yes, you looked big up there!
1 - how hot is it up there on stage for the guys that compete? Do they have aircon, or are the lights etc such that it is real hot.
2 - was it hot for you up there, wearing that suit etc?
3 - I heard Kai left the stage a few times, and then came back out again. What was that all about? Was he just ducking out for a quick piss, or what?
4 - After pre-judging I picked the top 4 exactly as you did although in order of Jay, Branch, Kai, Dex). Branch clearly came in great condition. But do you think this is as far as he can go? If I was him, I would be tempted to call it quits, and go out on a great note with that memorable performance.
5 - Regarding synthol (or suspicions of it) in some competitors, does it get marked down? Or if its subtly done and in proportion, does the overall look count. Eg, imagine if Branch had just pumped his biceps up a little, giving him a better front and back double biceps pose (in my opinion his bis were his weak point).
6 - Kai had the size, but obviously wasn't quite in the ripped condition he needed to be. Could a sauna and or other methods after the prejudging have helped, or was it too late?
7 - Do you think Dennis really gave his prep his best? To me it seems as though he really didn't care to much about winning this one.
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I know i have given jay his share of critisizim...but he looked dope as shit from the pics...like i was impressed...branch...wel l to me his body is ugly as shit..but still massivey buff
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Did you write this "save face for Phil Heath" script, or did Allan Donnely?
Neither - Thursday night, Phil got sick, a doctor actually came out - nothing to do with Allan or anyone else.
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Bob, So how was attendance this year? up or down? and what is in the works to combat the decline in the popularity of the sport? You guys don't even have the Olympia on TV anymore,
On the plus side you did do a good job MCing the event ad Kudos for that.
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Nice work MCing chick. And yes, you looked big up there!
1 - how hot is it up there on stage for the guys that compete? Do they have aircon, or are the lights etc such that it is real hot.
2 - was it hot for you up there, wearing that suit etc?
3 - I heard Kai left the stage a few times, and then came back out again. What was that all about? Was he just ducking out for a quick piss, or what?
4 - After pre-judging I picked the top 4 exactly as you did although in order of Jay, Branch, Kai, Dex). Branch clearly came in great condition. But do you think this is as far as he can go? If I was him, I would be tempted to call it quits, and go out on a great note with that memorable performance.
5 - Regarding synthol (or suspicions of it) in some competitors, does it get marked down? Or if its subtly done and in proportion, does the overall look count. Eg, imagine if Branch had just pumped his biceps up a little, giving him a better front and back double biceps pose (in my opinion his bis were his weak point).
6 - Kai had the size, but obviously wasn't quite in the ripped condition he needed to be. Could a sauna and or other methods after the prejudging have helped, or was it too late?
7 - Do you think Dennis really gave his prep his best? To me it seems as though he really didn't care to much about winning this one.
It's extremely hot...especially for me as I have a suit on....imagine 50 halogen bulds pointing at you
Various guys will come and go off the stage after their callout to get a drink, towel off, fix color that is running, etc..
No....If you can finish 2nd, you can win...Branch will be around for a while
Anything weird looking will get you marked down...shoulders shouldnt have right angles to them, calves shouldn't have points, etc...if someone is using Synthol (or anything else) and you cant notice...than you cant notice and its irrelevant
Most "strategic" moves after prejudging are usually a disaster...Kai was in great conditioning, just not 10%....pretty damn good for firt Olympia appearance I would say
I assume you're talking about Wolf....it didnt take a rocket scientist to know that Dennis was way off form, thus the reason for his less than excited attitude....remember, he just took the whole year to prepare....I wouldnt exactly be jumping for joy either, especially when you ahve the genetics/ size/ shape to do better
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Bob, So how was attendance this year? up or down? and what is in the works to combat the decline in the popularity of the sport? You guys don't even have the Olympia on TV anymore,
On the plus side you did do a good job MCing the event ad Kudos for that.
Thanks for the props...
We set our own attendance record this year, as soon as I have an exact count of ticket sales, I'll post them up...
Expo was crazy busy, press conference was filled up as usual, and friday night was the best weve had so far...
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Great job at the show Chick!
Why don't the competitors from 16th place onwards receive a score just like everyone else?
Is there an official explanation to the number "80" they receive for the first 2 rounds?
Also, why arent they included in the posing round? Shouldn't they get an opportunity to
improve their placing on Saturday night?
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Neither - Thursday night, Phil got sick, a doctor actually came out - nothing to do with Allan or anyone else.
No, no, no Ron...we scripted this 6 months ago...the tough part was having the paramedics come out, when there was no real need. ::)
Amazing some of these guys posting can generate enough brain power to type
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Why Moe is protected by judges ?
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Great job at the show Chick!
Why don't the competitors from 16th place onwards receive a score just like everyone else?
Is there an official explanation to the number "80" they receive for the first 2 rounds?
Also, why arent they included in the posing round? Shouldn't they get an opportunity to
improve their placing on Saturday night?
Because only the top 15 are considered to be "placed" at the Olympia, or in the money..after that, it really doesnt matter
As for having an opportunity to better the placing...from what? 20-18th? The money is the same, and this is the pro's
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Bob, how close are you with Wolf? As the athletes rep have you thought about contacting him and seeing if there's anything you can help him with or is that something where you'd wait for him to contact you? He seriously needs to reevaluate his gameplan. Staying over in Germany and using Chad's vodoo for his contest prep hasn't worked for 2 years now. It would be shame for him to waste all that potential he has. It would be good for the sport to see him competing at this best. Wolf and Heath both at their best would be a great thing for the sport as whole. Heath has had Jay to sort of mentor him and it's clearly worked. Maybe Dennis needs someone like that to guide him. Have you thought about talking to him or maybe just offering him some of your veteran's advice?
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Wolf...because of HIS conditioning, not the judging.
Melvin/ Silvio...because of the judging
god i never got the hype behind silvio, really needs to drop down the the 202 class, he isn't big enough and any more mass his stomach will grow just give it up silvio! And Melvin, retire already we are tired of seeing your physic.
jt
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Because only the top 15 are considered to be "placed" at the Olympia, or in the money..after that, it really doesnt matter
As for having an opportunity to better the placing...from what? 20-18th? The money is the same, and this is the pro's
Hey chic, great job announcing, this was one of the best olympias in years IMO. Is there a way that the file can be streamed in something other than .wmv next year? Not all of us are windows users, and it sucked not being able to watch the webcast.
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In your opinion Chick, who looked the best from the back, and why?
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Bob, how close are you with Wolf? As the athletes rep have you thought about contacting him and seeing if there's anything you can help him with or is that something where you'd wait for him to contact you? He seriously needs to reevaluate his gameplan. Staying over in Germany and using Chad's vodoo for his contest prep hasn't worked for 2 years now. It would be shame for him to waste all that potential he has. It would be good for the sport to see him competing at this best. Wolf and Heath both at their best would be a great thing for the sport as whole. Heath has had Jay to sort of mentor him and it's clearly worked. Maybe Dennis needs someone like that to guide him. Have you thought about talking to him or maybe just offering him some of your veteran's advice?
I'm here for any athlete to contact, or for advices....If Dennis were to ask my opinion, I'd be more than happy to offer it...I generally dont give it unsolicited when it concerns their business
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In your opinion Chick, who looked the best from the back, and why?
I would go with Jay based on size/ thickness and detail
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Lol.
The focus will ALWAYS be on the Nr 1.
If they say Nr 2 before the first place, people with still cheer to the one that got first place Right away, even when the second one is reciving his award.
So this way it alot better.
Well maybe normally. But there are more threads right and more talk about Branch getting second and beating Dex than about Jay winning again...
I'm just saying the guy didn't even get a victory photo with an oversized check and an uninterested fake hottie standing next to him.
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Yes, a case can be made..he carries as much muscle as anyone on the stage and was ripped to the bone. That said...it was only a 1 POINT decision, could have easily gone the other way.
What about his bicep implants?
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What about his bicep implants?
Lets hope you're trying to be funny
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Lets hope you're trying to be funny
No I am serious, he's got something foreign in there.
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Thanks I missed the Finals what was Dex's exprestion when recieving 3rd place?
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Awesome...his best presentation to date. If he had a better back, he could even place higher. Could be a guy to take a few titles should he compete more on the circuit.
Chick,
During the Pre-Judging Dan and Larry were doing the color commentating, would you agree? Yes. Okay. So when Ronny Rockell was out one of them were saying while the other agreed that...
"If Ronny were more popular with the U.S. fans, had more of a presence in the states, spoke better English then he would place higher.."
My question is what does that have to do with anything?
- Block!
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Wolf...because of HIS conditioning, not the judging.
Melvin/ Silvio...because of the judging
classic ::)
tell them to shut the fuck up Bob, it would be a good advice
lmao, Melvin who brags about dieting with hot dogs than bitch about his placing
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Bob, do you think Dexter will retire or maybe do the Arnold and retire?
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chick, let me start by saying I sincerely respect your knowledge and achivements and insight into Bodybuilding-
However, for the sake of clarity, it should be mentioned that the 2-3% bf you speak of in competition shape is not physically possible. Let me explain... before I sound like some armchair lifter who's never competed: Calipers and some bodyfat testing procedures WILL in fact show 2-3% BF for comp. pro bodybuilders, but the actual bodyfat is higher than that.. by a few percentages. Muscle itself is not 100% lean, but also contains some fat. I do not know the exact numbers, but I do believe it may be around 1 maybe closer to 2% of a muscle that's fat. This is fat inside the muscle, and is not dieted away for competition, as it's a natural part of muscle. Given that the human body itself is a somewhat "fat" organism/animal, NO human will reach such a low bodyfat percentage without dying or being very, very close to death, and such a person would not hold muscle. In fact, the most accurate testings to test BF% show that pro BBers are 5-6%+.
just wanted to put that out there. Thanks for the thread & info and for answering questions.
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No I am serious, he's got something foreign in there.
LOL...OK....like a wrench or something?
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Bix, this must be the 100th time you said Branch has implants the last few days
show the proof or drop it !
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Foriegn? .......like a Mexican? ;D
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chick, let me start by saying I sincerely respect your knowledge and achivements and insight into Bodybuilding-
However, for the sake of clarity, it should be mentioned that the 2-3% bf you speak of in competition shape is not physically possible. Let me explain... before I sound like some armchair lifter who's never competed: Calipers and some bodyfat testing procedures WILL in fact show 2-3% BF for comp. pro bodybuilders, but the actual bodyfat is higher than that.. by a few percentages. Muscle itself is not 100% lean, but also contains some fat. I do not know the exact numbers, but I do believe it may be around 1 maybe closer to 2% of a muscle that's fat. This is fat inside the muscle, and is not dieted away for competition, as it's a natural part of muscle. Given that the human body itself is a somewhat "fat" organism/animal, NO human will reach such a low bodyfat percentage without dying or being very, very close to death, and such a person would not hold muscle. In fact, the most accurate testings to test BF% show that pro BBers are 5-6%+.
just wanted to put that out there. Thanks for the thread & info and for answering questions.
OK...whatever...5%
the point is still the same, bro
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Bix, this must be the 100th time you said Branch has implants the last few days
show the proof or drop it !
I've already pointed it out ,directing all to a certain time period in a certain video.
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Chick can you answer Blocks question.Also Dan was talking about how Only in Australia can a guy Mike Kaffa get a gift Pro card and not be able to win an amateur show Yet here he is on the Olympia stage.Dan is the Man telling it like it is.So what do you think of this Joke???
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I've already pointed it out ,directing all to a certain time period in a certain video.
you are just stupid as hell
there is nothing in there..
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Chick can you answer Blocks question.Also Dan was talking about how Only in Australia can a guy Mike Kaffa get a gift Pro card and not be able to win an amateur show Yet here he is on the Olympia stage.Dan is the Man telling it like it is.So what do you think of this Joke???
Godfather/Miss Karen/Switzer/Albert.
Throughout all of your personalities you have been like a dog with a bone about Michael.
What do you have against Mike, he qualified. He got in great condition and did himself proud. You need to let this go and work on some new material. FFS
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you are just stupid as hell
there is nothing in there..
look at 2:58 and tell me there is nothing strange going on with his right bicep ::)
http://mdtv.musculardevelopment.com/content/view/2339/225/
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Hey Bob, congrats to you and all involved in the presentation of this years O. You were at your best and the webcast was awesome.
This is a great thread, we appreciate all of your answers and your take on the show. I thought Dexter was second as well. Hope he bounces back from this. TD
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Hey Bob, congrats to you and all involved in the presentation of this years O. You were at your best and the webcast was awesome.
This is a great thread, we appreciate all of your answers and your take on the show. I thought Dexter was second as well. Hope he bounces back from this. TD
Dex has no calfs, he should be placed last.
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look at 2:58 and tell me there is nothing strange going on with his right bicep ::)
http://mdtv.musculardevelopment.com/content/view/2339/225/
The link you provide does show something odd, to me. But you have to remember that Branch tore his biceps, triceps and I think something else over the past 3-4 years. Branch also never said which side any of these tears occurred on- because he didn't want a judge to automatically look for it, and mark his score down instantaneously.
I think what you see in the above link, is not "something foreign" inside his arm. It's more likely the tear that occurred. If it was something inside the muscle (oil, implant, wrench or your IQ), you would probably see it all the time from any and all angles. And I'm only seeing it when the muscle is stressed in that one angle. Again, if it were something odd, you could probably provide more than just that one link at a particular time. :)
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Bob. I haven't had an opportunity to read all of this but I just want to say that you and Dan did one hell of a fine job at the Press Conference. In fact I enjoyed it more so than the contest itself. Ditto for your MC efforts......
Can you tell us how many paying 'customers' attended each of the following events?
Press Conference on Thursday _______________
Meet the Olympians on Thursday eve _______________
Friday Expo _________________
Friday evening prejudging _____________________
Saturday Expo ______________________
Saturday evening finals _________________
and Sunday's seminar _________________
I would assume that those figures are not available yet or may be considered privledged information but if that is so, how do you think the turnout was this year compared to the past few years.
And .... has a Orleans reservation for next year's Olympia been made yet?
Thanks, Bob ......
Stunt
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look at 2:58 and tell me there is nothing strange going on with his right bicep ::)
http://mdtv.musculardevelopment.com/content/view/2339/225/
He tore it...
check out old pics of Lee Apperson to see what bicep implants REALLY look like...
On a diferent note, anything you can tell us about JFK, or whether or not we went to the moon?
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Bob. I haven't had an opportunity to read all of this but I just want to say that you and Dan did one hell of a fine job at the Press Conference. In fact I enjoyed it more so than the contest itself. Ditto for your MC efforts......
Can you tell us how many paying 'customers' attended each of the following events?
Press Conference on Thursday _______________
Meet the Olympians on Thursday eve _______________
Friday Expo _________________
Friday evening prejudging _____________________
Saturday Expo ______________________
Saturday evening finals _________________
and Sunday's seminar _________________
I would assume that those figures are not available yet or may be considered privledged information but if that is so, how do you think the turnout was this year compared to the past few years.
And .... has a Orleans reservation for next year's Olympia been made yet?
Thanks, Bob ......
Stunt
Hey Bill, good seeing you as always (sorry so brief, I'm just a little busy!)
Dont have numbers available yet, I'll be sure to post when they are...
I think you could see just how busy everything was....were more than happy with the attendance to all events
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He tore it...
check out old pics of Lee Apperson to see what bicep implants REALLY look like...
On a diferent note, anything you can tell us about JFK, or whether or not we went to the moon?
When did he tear it?
Did he also tear his left bicep?
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When did he tear it?
Did he also tear his left bicep?
Years ago...
who knows, he has all kinds of battle scars...to believe he has implants is retarded
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Years ago...
who knows, he has all kinds of battle scars...to believe he has implants is retarded
In modern day bodybuilding to believe that he may not have any implants is IGNORANT.
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Years ago...
who knows, he has all kinds of battle scars...to believe he has implants is retarded
I think you are covering for him. I have NEVER seen biceps move like that in my 33 years watching this sport
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Bob,
Kai usually uses his full time allowed in the posing routine but cut this one short.
Any reason you know of or do you think he just wanted to be a bit more conservative?
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Hope this hasn't been asked Bob but if everyone came in 100% of what you have seen them so far how would you imagine the top 5 coming out?
Personally I say:
Victor
Jay
Phil
Kai
Branch
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Bob,
Kai usually uses his full time allowed in the posing routine but cut this one short.
Any reason you know of or do you think he just wanted to be a bit more conservative?
Honestly, I was dissapointed, I thought Kai would be...well...Kai. I believe he didnt know quite what to do, torn between what he WANTED to do, and what he THOUGHT he should do.
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Hope this hasn't been asked Bob but if everyone came in 100% of what you have seen them so far how would you imagine the top 5 coming out?
Personally I say:
Victor
Jay
Phil
Kai
Branch
Tough to call without them next to each other...
Only thing I know for sure is that Jay at 100% (which he was) wins...
Dex perhaps 2nd, or Phil
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Tough to call without them next to each other...
Only thing I know for sure is that Jay at 100% (which he was) wins...
Dex perhaps 2nd, or Phil
Chick did Jay say if he'll be back in 2010?
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Hey, Bob!
I first wanted to say that you looked great up there MC-ing. Good job. Your suit looked finely tailored and I am sure that you smelled great!
Question:
During the Men's Pre-judging, it appears that Dan Solomon and Larry Pepe were on color commentating duties. When Ronny Rockell hit the stage their commentary was that if...
Ronny had a better grasp of the English language, were more popular with the fans and had more of a presence on U.S. soil he would place higher.
My question is what does his ability to speak English and popularity with the 'fans' have to do with it? Isn't the Mr. Olympia about who has the best physique?
- Block!
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Years ago...
who knows, he has all kinds of battle scars...to believe he has implants is retarded
You are full of shit, he's never torn his bicep.
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Chick did Jay say if he'll be back in 2010?
No reason to believe he wont
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Chick did Jay say if he'll be back in 2010?
From what I heard, the 2010 Mr. Olympia will be Jay's last contest. Jay always said he wanted to win 3 Mr. Olympia titles, but now that he has, that 4th one is just there for the taking.
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From what I heard, the 2010 Mr. Olympia will be Jay's last contest. Jay always said he wanted to win 3 Mr. Olympia titles, but now that he has, that 4th one is just there for the taking.
ya, it's not like Dennis is going to hire Milos to help him any time soon
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Bob, awesome thread, us getbiggers really appreciate this, but can u pls answer this question, i believe its the most important in the thread, because ive been wondering the same thing myself.
Thanx
Hey, Bob!
I first wanted to say that you looked great up there MC-ing. Good job. Your suit looked finely tailored and I am sure that you smelled great!
Question:
During the Men's Pre-judging, it appears that Dan Solomon and Larry Pepe were on color commentating duties. When Ronny Rockell hit the stage their commentary was that if...
Ronny had a better grasp of the English language, were more popular with the fans and had more of a presence on U.S. soil he would place higher.
My question is what does his ability to speak English and popularity with the 'fans' have to do with it? Isn't the Mr. Olympia about who has the best physique?
- Block!
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ya, it's not like Dennis is going to hire Milos to help him any time soon
Wasn't Milos' fault. Dennis lives in Germany so whatever training failures Dennis had are on him. From what I've seen Dennis is not a very hard trainer. No bodyparts came up he just weighed more from more carbs. I say he needs to get to the US permanently for help or hit Dorian up in England for some real training.
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bob
how did u organize your meal timing while up on stage
did u go back stage to have a protein bar etc
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Hey, Bob!
I first wanted to say that you looked great up there MC-ing. Good job. Your suit looked finely tailored and I am sure that you smelled great!
Question:
During the Men's Pre-judging, it appears that Dan Solomon and Larry Pepe were on color commentating duties. When Ronny Rockell hit the stage their commentary was that if...
Ronny had a better grasp of the English language, were more popular with the fans and had more of a presence on U.S. soil he would place higher.
My question is what does his ability to speak English and popularity with the 'fans' have to do with it? Isn't the Mr. Olympia about who has the best physique?
- Block!
Beats me...you need to ask Dan or Larry.
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You are full of shit, he's never torn his bicep.
LOL...God, you're a moron
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I dont know enough about anatomy to know if this is normal or not.
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My arms are bigger than his and my arms suck!
Looks torn to me but who cares? Who needs a bicep in a bodybuilding competition. Yates didn't (Weinberger) so why would Branch? (Thompson).
- Block!
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Well normally a torn bicep will BUNCH up when flexed, way up! Look at Dorians.
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You are full of shit, he's never torn his bicep.
Here is another hint for you...if it was an implant, it certainly wouldnt be retracting up his arm when he moves it...an implant would be stationary.
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There is another video where he is doing preacher curls I think. STRANGE looking there too.
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Thats normal. He just does have the best shaped biceps.
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I dont know enough about anatomy to know if this is normal or not.
Its normal if you have a repaired torn bi that didn't attach low to the forearm to begin with. 2nd place I doubt he gives a sh*t about having massive arms.
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Well normally a torn bicep will BUNCH up when flexed, way up! Look at Dorians.
Dorian tore the INNER bicep , Branch tore the OUTER bicep
I know this is news to you, but there are TWO muscles in the BI-cep
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You are full of shit, he's never torn his bicep.
Did you read my post? I suppose I'm covering for him too? Even though I don't exactly care for his physique....?!
Branch himself has mentioned this himself numerous times.
It's a tear, and looks nothing like implants. It moves naturally with the tension of his muscle, an implant would not do that.
Why so many conspiracy theories here of late?
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He has brought them up a lot since the injury
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Here is another hint for you...if it was an implant, it certainly wouldnt be retracting up his arm when he moves it...an implant would be stationary.
That is exactly what it is doing, staying in one place as the muscle underneath it moves.
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I dont know enough about anatomy to know if this is normal or not.
like block said it looks torn, but branch has torn more muscles on his body than a gay man has torn assholes.
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Dorian tore the INNER bicep , Branch tore the OUTER bicep
I know this is news to you, but there are TWO muscles in the BI-cep
Dorian torn BOTH heads.
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Bob. I haven't had an opportunity to read all of this but I just want to say that you and Dan did one hell of a fine job at the Press Conference. In fact I enjoyed it more so than the contest itself. Ditto for your MC efforts......
Can you tell us how many paying 'customers' attended each of the following events?
Press Conference on Thursday _______________
Meet the Olympians on Thursday eve _______________
Friday Expo _________________
Friday evening prejudging _____________________
Saturday Expo ______________________
Saturday evening finals _________________
and Sunday's seminar _________________
I would assume that those figures are not available yet or may be considered privledged information but if that is so, how do you think the turnout was this year compared to the past few years.
And .... has a Orleans reservation for next year's Olympia been made yet?
Thanks, Bob ......
Stunt
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My arms are bigger than his and my arms suck!
Looks torn to me but who cares? Who needs a bicep in a bodybuilding competition. Yates didn't (Weinberger) so why would Branch? (Thompson).
- Block!
Explain to me just how one judge (weinberger) or another (Thompson) dictates the winner?
There are 3 highs and 3 lows thrown out, and each judge gets one vote...neither judge was the head judge (who gets no vote)
cant wait to hear this one...maybe your pal Special Ed has the answer...he was pretty close with his Olympia predictions (0-10)
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Bob question about the 202 class, how is it the winner of the open show makes 200,000 but the 202 winner makes about 5 grand.
WTF! how are these guys expected to make a living.
Food, hotel, flight, drugs, etc etc etc are gonna cost a guy more than he makes if he wins the show. Whats the point of even competing in this division?
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Foriegn? .......like a Mexican? ;D
No! Like the object, and coming off the top rope with it.
/kudos to the chickster for the thread and all he puts up with around here.
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Dorian torn BOTH heads.
Bix, below your avatar space you have the title "The Instigator."
Very correct statement there. But next time you instigate something (and drag it on and on and on and on) make sure you're at least in the ballpark. You aren't even in the same zip code, man.
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Hey Bill, good seeing you as always (sorry so brief, I'm just a little busy!)
Dont have numbers available yet, I'll be sure to post when they are...
I think you could see just how busy everything was....were more than happy with the attendance to all events
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Bix, below your avatar space you have the title "The Instigator."
Very correct statement there. But next time you instigate something (and drag it on and on and on and on) make sure you're at least in the ballpark. You aren't even in the same zip code, man.
You haven't a clue, I have YEARS looking at men's muscles, hahahahahahahaha, I KNOW what I see.
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Chick, the crowd seemed very boring and stagnant, was that just the audio on the webcast or were they genuinely lame?
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You haven't a clue, I have YEARS looking at men's muscles, hahahahahahahaha, I KNOW what I see.
Whatever, Chump. Continue on....you're the one that always ends up looking like an idiot. From IronAge, to GetBig...you've always impressed many with your idiocy.
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Chick, the crowd seemed very boring and stagnant, was that just the audio on the webcast or were they genuinely lame?
Just the opposite...the crowd was loud, especially when Jay came out.
The crowd isnt boom mic'ed, so if you're watching at home, you can barely hear them...if it was...it would sound like a football game.
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hi chick, finally you decided to wear some normal decent looking clothes after all the remarks we made about your previous ridiculous looking clothes, see listening to us sometimes isnt a bad idea,
Here are my questions:
Who are the judges?
How are they selected?
Who select em?
When you said to kai "ok kai, keep some for later" and ridiculed him and his weird attitude in front of hundreds of people, how did it make you feel?
Did you get a blowjob for your performance later that night?
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Bob question about the 202 class, how is it the winner of the open show makes 200,000 but the 202 winner makes about 5 grand.
WTF! how are these guys expected to make a living.
Food, hotel, flight, drugs, etc etc etc are gonna cost a guy more than he makes if he wins the show. Whats the point of even competing in this division?
Point one, is that it's a new division...and just like the open division had to grow, so does the 202;
The ends have to justify the means in this business, as the 202 gains in popularity, the purse will increase accordingly...
The point of competing is simple....a chance to compete on level ground. Look at a guy like Mark Dugdale who was up there fighting for a win, when he would have been relegated to 15th or lower in the open despite being in spectacular condition....
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Point one, is that it's a new division...and just like the open division had to grow, so does the 202;
The ends have to justify the means in this business, as the 202 gains in popularity, the purse will increase accordingly...
The point of competing is simple....a chance to compete on level ground. Look at a guy like Mark Dugdale who was up there fighting for a win, when he would have been relegated to 15th or lower in the open despite being in spectacular condition....
But for most bb'ers who already arent the wealthiest dudes on the planet and even do some pretty outlandish things for ca$h ( i.e fuck grapefruits ), whats the positive of competing in a show were even if u win the prize money doesnt cover expenses.
I understand competition, but its such an expensive competition.
Bob anyways u can get these guys some more money for next years 202 mr.olympia???
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Thanks Bob,
was this doctor as reputable as the one that hands Phil his steroid scripts for $$
Neither - Thursday night, Phil got sick, a doctor actually came out - nothing to do with Allan or anyone else.
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hi chick, finally you decided to wear some normal decent looking clothes after all the remarks we made about your previous ridiculous looking clothes, see listening to us sometimes isnt a bad idea,
Here are my questions:
Who are the judges?
How are they selected?
Who select em?
When you said to kai "ok kai, keep some for later" and ridiculed him and his weird attitude in front of hundreds of people, how did it make you feel?
Did you get a blowjob for your performance later that night?
What are you talking about concerning Kai?
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actually it isn't very tough to call 911 and have everyone and their mother show up..
you'll making up elaborate stories for your "future of bodybuilding" is quite entertaining.
No, no, no Ron...we scripted this 6 months ago...the tough part was having the paramedics come out, when there was no real need. ::)
Amazing some of these guys posting can generate enough brain power to type
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Robin Chang would smack bobby across the face for helping out an MD guy.
So no, bob wouldn't do that.
Bob, how close are you with Wolf? As the athletes rep have you thought about contacting him and seeing if there's anything you can help him with or is that something where you'd wait for him to contact you? He seriously needs to reevaluate his gameplan. Staying over in Germany and using Chad's vodoo for his contest prep hasn't worked for 2 years now. It would be shame for him to waste all that potential he has. It would be good for the sport to see him competing at this best. Wolf and Heath both at their best would be a great thing for the sport as whole. Heath has had Jay to sort of mentor him and it's clearly worked. Maybe Dennis needs someone like that to guide him. Have you thought about talking to him or maybe just offering him some of your veteran's advice?
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Just the opposite...the crowd was loud, especially when Jay came out.
The crowd isnt boom mic'ed, so if you're watching at home, you can barely hear them...if it was...it would sound like a football game.
Might be good to have the crowd miked for next year. It would add to the atmosphere for those watching at home.
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But for most bb'ers who already arent the wealthiest dudes on the planet and even do some pretty outlandish things for ca$h ( i.e fuck grapefruits ), whats the positive of competing in a show were even if u win the prize money doesnt cover expenses.
I understand competition, but its such an expensive competition.
Bob anyways u can get these guys some more money for next years 202 mr.olympia???
Money is always a priority, but it doesnt just appear from nowhere...it has to be accounted for and justified. No question it will continue to increase.
As for what they are competing for...no BB EVER got into BB for the money...ever. They are there to see how they stack up against the best in the world, first and foremost
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Chick,You do a great job at Olympia 09.
Who is the best poser?
And who is the most improved competitor?
Thanks
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Robin Chang would smack bobby across the face for helping out an MD guy.
So no, bob wouldn't do that.
So you're saying Bob isn't the Atheletes Rep, he's really the AMI Athletes Rep?
You aren't the first person to say that.
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Chick,You do a great job at Olympia 09.
Who is the best poser?
And who is the most improved competitor?
Thanks
Best poser is purely subjective...certainly Melvin and Kai and Darrem for entertainment...
Most improved, I would go with RR
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Bob, what's your opinion on the whole Stan Efferding/Johnnie Jackson/Ben White lift-off?
You were onstage with the mic when Stan jumped up there, and looked to stop Stan from just jumping on the bench and making a fool out of the other two guys.
Why was Stan barred from competing, when there was plenty enough time to have him added to the event? Was it "politics" or in order to create hype for next year?
I think Stan is smart enough to not just get pressureed into jumping onto a bench cold, and try and push put a max rep bench. That is a good way to get injured. I think it was a deliberate at a bit of hype for next year...
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Who are the judges?
How are they selected?
Who select em?
bump for these questions
The judges are selected by Jim Manion and the Pro League
They are all acredited judges who judge the IFBB shows throughout the year
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Who are the Pro League and where are the Judges names.How many judges from outside America???
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You'll have to look it up, boys....I cant see everyone as the lights are in my eyes for the most part...I seen Jim Rockell (head Judge) Sandy Williamson (head Judge) Steve Weinberger, Lee Thompson, John Tuman, John Hnatychak....
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Wow John Hnatychak 2nd under 80kgs Mr Universe 1980 he has come along way.Pro Judge.Koooool.
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Joe is looking really frail as of late. Did he look well to you?
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Joe is looking really frail as of late. Did he look well to you?
He's 90...what were you expecting?
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He's 90...what were you expecting?
Joe: liking the Mr. O results. :)
//sorry, stan...we'll talk later... 8)
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Money is always a priority, but it doesnt just appear from nowhere...it has to be accounted for and justified. No question it will continue to increase.
As for what they are competing for...no BB EVER got into BB for the money...ever. They are there to see how they stack up against the best in the world, first and foremost
But bob why would someone compete in anything as a professional if making $$$ wasnt a goal.
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He did say "money is always a priority..."
I would assume when it comes right down to it, if a Pro BB had to make a choice of either:
1) Being the Best in the World
or-
2) Being the highest paid in the world
He would probably choose the first
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Money is always a priority, but it doesnt just appear from nowhere...it has to be accounted for and justified. No question it will continue to increase.
As for what they are competing for...no BB EVER got into BB for the money...ever. They are there to see how they stack up against the best in the world, first and foremost
I gotta disagree with you here man, watching all the old BFTO's you got Shawn Ray cruising to the gym in a Lamborgini Diablo, Dillet-Wheeler in Benzes, Dexter with various pimped out rides, Ronnie with 5 cars in his drive way, Jay with his crib/cars people see this and definitely think these guys are making some serious cash I know I did, there has to be tons of guys who got into BB thinking theres tons of money to be made..
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Chickster, Very nice job commentating ! Its good to see someone up there who knows what hes doing and does a nice job at it.
Just one thing (a little thing), its kind of a sensitive thing to ask one of your guests who they think is the winner just before the placings are about to be given... it may make some of the contestants uneasy as they are anxiously awaiting the decision...just food for thought for the future...
Speaking of the future...hope you contine to do the Olympia because you do an excellent job at it. Keep up the good work !!! Outstanding job once again !!! ;)
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One of my favorite moments from the weekend was when Kai said he loved fruit, and then Bob's reaction... Classic...
Nice talking to you at the Olympia Superstar Seminar Bob!
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Every bodybuilder should walk away with 10k regardless of placing
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Biggest change will be to the posing round, which will no longer be scored as such...and that the judging will be much harder on saturday night and count more in the final tally, as the points system will be changed to accomodate giving guys a chance to catch up.
Absolutely ridiculous!
So if a competitor 'brings it' on pre judging day, but doesnt look as hard on the saturday, he may have scored well at the PJ but continued to be scored on the day after, saturday?
And vice versa? - where a competitor hasn't brought it to the PJ because he has mis-timed certain things but gets it fixed for saturday, there is still a chance that he may place very high?
How un fair is that to those that got it right for PJ!!?
Bring it ON THE DAY!
You screw up, too bad! They're PROFESSIONALS after all right?
Bring it on show day (PJ) or too bad!
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BOb..you mentioned being 270-273.....seems like alot of weight, you competing next year?
Do you think a BBer can Max out his frame? I:e Where a Pro shouldn't put on any more weight without ruining aesthetics etc?
Darrem Charles tried to play the bigger game and lost, Toney Freeman said he feels Phil cannot put on any more muscle as his frame is big enough, IMO Dex's physique may have been maxed out.... Your thoughts?
Thx as always
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I gotta disagree with you here man, watching all the old BFTO's you got Shawn Ray cruising to the gym in a Lamborgini Diablo, Dillet-Wheeler in Benzes, Dexter with various pimped out rides, Ronnie with 5 cars in his drive way, Jay with his crib/cars people see this and definitely think these guys are making some serious cash I know I did, there has to be tons of guys who got into BB thinking theres tons of money to be made..
you can disagree all yu want, but the fact is...all the things you entioned, were a RESULT of being succesful in BB....not the reason they started it. That said, comparatively speaking..there are many more things that have a better chance of making money than BB (or trying to be any pro in a sport)...BBers start BB and compete because they love BB...
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One of my favorite moments from the weekend was when Kai said he loved fruit, and then Bob's reaction... Classic...
Nice talking to you at the Olympia Superstar Seminar Bob!
LOL..talk about throwing a softball!
Kai actually got a good laugh and said "Guess I set you up for that one bro..."
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Chickster, Very nice job commentating ! Its good to see someone up there who knows what hes doing and does a nice job at it.
Just one thing (a little thing), its kind of a sensitive thing to ask one of your guests who they think is the winner just before the placings are about to be given... it may make some of the contestants uneasy as they are anxiously awaiting the decision...just food for thought for the future...
Speaking of the future...hope you contine to do the Olympia because you do an excellent job at it. Keep up the good work !!! Outstanding job once again !!! ;)
Thanks bro...
As for opinions, trust me, the only ones they are concerned about...are from the judging panel
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Explain to me just how one judge (weinberger) or another (Thompson) dictates the winner?
There are 3 highs and 3 lows thrown out, and each judge gets one vote...neither judge was the head judge (who gets no vote)
cant wait to hear this one...maybe your pal Special Ed has the answer...he was pretty close with his Olympia predictions (0-10)
Bob, I am so glad you put this "1 bad/corrupt judge can fix the contest" myth.
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Absolutely ridiculous!
So if a competitor 'brings it' on pre judging day, but doesnt look as hard on the saturday, he may have scored well at the PJ but continued to be scored on the day after, saturday?
And vice versa? - where a competitor hasn't brought it to the PJ because he has mis-timed certain things but gets it fixed for saturday, there is still a chance that he may place very high?
How un fair is that to those that got it right for PJ!!?
Bring it ON THE DAY!
You screw up, too bad! They're PROFESSIONALS after all right?
Bring it on show day (PJ) or too bad!
Traditionally, the contest has always been held on the same day, none of the split PJ and having the posedown on a second day.
When the 2001 Olympia occurred, every person cried foul, because Ronnie lost to Jay in the PJ and came back later at night and made up the deficit at the night show. That was unheard of at the time...nobody had ever done that, so it made everybody think conspiracy.
BBing has always been skewed in the sense that some of the rounds don't seem to count, or at least they come off as being scored as a different round. How can Ronnie Coleman out-pose Shawn Ray or Flex, yet he still received a 1st place vote in that round!
With the changes Bob seems to be aiming for, it will make it an even playing field. Allowing for more fair judging, and someone that may not have the most mass onstage, to make up for it by properly displaying his physique in the posing round. Just one instance, however.
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Traditionally, the contest has always been held on the same day, none of the split PJ and having the posedown on a second day.
When the 2001 Olympia occurred, every person cried foul, because Ronnie lost to Jay in the PJ and came back later at night and made up the deficit at the night show. That was unheard of at the time...nobody had ever done that, so it made everybody think conspiracy.
BBing has always been skewed in the sense that some of the rounds don't seem to count, or at least they come off as being scored as a different round. How can Ronnie Coleman out-pose Shawn Ray or Flex, yet he still received a 1st place vote in that round!
With the changes Bob seems to be aiming for, it will make it an even playing field. Allowing for more fair judging, and someone that may not have the most mass onstage, to make up for it by properly displaying his physique in the posing round. Just one instance, however.
You're close....but the very example yoiu used is the EXACT reason the scoring of the posing round needs to be abolished....it's bullshit. Replaced with equal scoring for the posedown, and now were talking....
POsing round should be a showcase for the fans and entertaining....add to it a money prize which reflects the size/ stature of the show ( 5K-10K) and you'll ahve plenty of creativity and motivation
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bob what was the deal w stone cold and yourself? u looked angry when he said something to u ??? somehting bout screwing up his intro?
what happened to my 2 fav celeberties?
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You're close....but the very example yoiu used is the EXACT reason the scoring of the posing round needs to be abolished....it's bullshit. Replaced with equal scoring for the posedown, and now were talking....
POsing round should be a showcase for the fans and entertaining....add to it a money prize which reflects the size/ stature of the show ( 5K-10K) and you'll ahve plenty of creativity and motivation
This all depends on where you want bodybuilding to end up - as a sport or as a show.
Of course, you can combine the two but the powers that be have to ask themselves what is the base for the combination, the sport or the show?
Why not have each round act as an elimination round for the next round? That is, to qualify for round two, you would have to pass round one and so on.
Just an idea.
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This all depends on where you want bodybuilding to end up - as a sport or as a show.
Of course, you can combine the two but the powers that be have to ask themselves what is the base for the combination, the sport or the show?
Why not have each round act as an elimination round for the next round? That is, to qualify for round two, you would have to pass round one and so on.
Just an idea.
The sport will always be the base, but there is no reason to promote more "show" throughout the competition. BB shows are traditionally BORING...tough to sell competitions...much easier to sell entertainment without compromising the integrity of the judging/ comp.
As for the elimination idea...it's pretty much what we do now...started with 24, 15 moved on to the finals, 6 moved on to the posedown...
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bob what was the deal w stone cold and yourself? u looked angry when he said something to u ??? somehting bout screwing up his intro?
what happened to my 2 fav celeberties?
Stone Cold would open a can of whoop-ass on that Chick.
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Another great Olympia.. the first I've missed in years but the BB.com feed was flawless and was able to get it on my 60" screen so was close to being like a PPV event.. just free! :)
Bob, is there any chance in the future that the 202 class will receive more prestige? These guys busted their asses just as hard as the open class to earn their pro cards, train and diet and commit just as hard if not harder than the open mens class and it looks like the fans appreciate watching them just as much if not more than the open class. I would love to see a 202 Sandow.
What would be great, and I know you are against this would be to bring back the tall and short class system and then have the pose-down for the overall. I don't see ANY harm from this idea.. actually I see A LOT of pluses as it will bring that much more excitement to the evening.
Great work.
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Another great Olympia.. the first I've missed in years but the BB.com feed was flawless and was able to get it on my 60" screen so was close to being like a PPV event.. just free! :)
Bob, is there any chance in the future that the 202 class will receive more prestige? These guys train just as hard if not harder than the open mens class and it looks like the fans appreciate watching them just as much if not more than the open class. I would love to see a 202 Sandow.
What would be great, and I know you are against this would be to bring back the tall and short class system and then have the pose-down for the overall. I don't see ANY harm from this idea.. actually I see A LOT of pluses as it will bring that much more excitement to the evening.
Great work.
The 202 has gone from non-exsistance, to reality, to the Olympia Expo, to the finals stage in 2 short years...I think were moving it along pretty good.
Overall is overall....no classes.
thats why we developed the 202, tostand on its own as a seperate entity.
You dont see the lightweight/ heavyweight boxing each other for the "overall", either...
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bob u skipped over my question a few posts back bro^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^!
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Chick,
You seemed very comfortable up there.......much more than ever before and I think you did a very good job. I was watching via the internet and it was a pleasure to watch. I liked the look on your face when you took at the peek of the final placings and with a grin said "interesting". At that point, my order of the final six I knew was out the window.
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The sport will always be the base, but there is no reason to promote more "show" throughout the competition. BB shows are traditionally BORING...tough to sell competitions...much easier to sell entertainment without compromising the integrity of the judging/ comp.
As for the elimination idea...it's pretty much what we do now...started with 24, 15 moved on to the finals, 6 moved on to the posedown...
Fair enough, though I still feel that the judging ought to be more transparent with each aspect of a physique being scored in a way that allows the athletes and fans a clear indication of which aspect of the physique is causing them to be placed higher or lower. I think this would go a long way to improving the sports aspect of bodybuilding competition.
By having the elimination during each round more clear cut, I'd imagine you'd increase the tension for the spectators (no doubt for the athletes as well) which increases the drama etc etc. I think that this kind of approach would be much mroe effective in the long term than how loud the music is or how many flashing lights there are.
What about having some kind of set up where each athlete is dramatised with the lighting, perhaps up on a podium or something. I remember watching the webcast and when Branch first came out, I thought that the way he looked with the lighting all dramatic was incredible. I have in mind something like the 1983 Mr Olympia where they athletes did a silhouetted pose before coming out onto stage. If something along those lines could be used to highlight each athlete, then you could make the prejudging seem much more entertaining and to avoid boredom, limit the number of athletes who can qualify to maybe 12-15. This way, the lower placed guys would earn more money for their efforts and the prestige of the event, not to mention the logisitcs, would improve.
Again, just a few thoughts.
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The 202 has gone from non-exsistance, to reality, to the Olympia Expo, to the finals stage in 2 short years...I think were moving it along pretty good.
Overall is overall....no classes.
thats why we developed the 202, tostand on its own as a seperate entity.
You dont see the lightweight/ heavyweight boxing each other for the "overall", either...
No.. but we're in a different sport.. we see the many classes battle it out for the overall in amateur contests everyday and it's very exciting to watch. It is dropped in the Pro ranks...
I am not complaining one bit.. the 202 is moving up great.. that's why I/we want to see more of it and have it get moved up to the same level as the open class as there is nothing "extra" the open men class do or have that the 202's don't. I am sure no body would complain as the respect is equal for both classes.
Just throwing out suggestions, that's all.
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No.. but we're in a different sport.. we see the many classes battle it out for the overall in amateur contests everyday and it's very exciting to watch. It is dropped in the Pro ranks...
I am not complaining one bit.. the 202 is moving up great.. that's why I/we want to see more of it and have it get moved up to the same level as the open class as there is nothing "extra" the open men class do or have that the 202's don't. I am sure no body would complain as the respect is equal for both classes.
Just throwing out suggestions, that's all.
And they are appreciated, bro...
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And they are appreciated, bro...
LOL ::)
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What law am I breaking posting in any thread Clown????You Big head thinks you own this site.Well check who pays the bills.HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA How does your office look after the FDA went through it HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH.Yeah yeah yeah we all know Nobody cares about BBs and their Illegal Drug use.
Chick, can we get the broadcast in something other than wmv next year?????????????????????????
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Chick - just asking again, is there a site where we can look up Pro League names, e-mail to contact them, judges' names, contests judged, etc.? Thanks...
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Chick - just asking again, is there a site where we can look up Pro League names, e-mail to contact them, judges' names, contests judged, etc.? Thanks...
try ifbbpro.com
or ifbb.com
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The sport will always be the base, but there is no reason to promote more "show" throughout the competition. BB shows are traditionally BORING...tough to sell competitions...much easier to sell entertainment without compromising the integrity of the judging/ comp.
As for the elimination idea...it's pretty much what we do now...started with 24, 15 moved on to the finals, 6 moved on to the posedown...
I disagree with the idea that BB are inherently boring. All pro sports now use sound (music), lights and cheerleaders -eye candy to make the game a better experience for the fan. NHL hockey is a little like a rock concert ( sound and lights)with guys playing hockey on the ice. The league and game format is careful to keep the play on the ice SERIOUS. The sound and light show is added to ENHANCE the game, NOT take away from the athletes.The actual play on the ice is asa serious and hard nose as ever. In other words, unlike WWE pro wrestlers the NHL athletes play a real sport free from a scripted outcome, but include all the sound and lights and excitement.
You are a wonderful MC and charismatic showman Bob, I think you get the idea here.
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Who are the Pro League and where are the Judges names.How many judges from outside America???
I think there are 5 or 6 judges from outside the US that come to judge at this event. I know one of the judges is from Israel, very nice guy, and always fair in his judges. There are a few others from outside the US that I have met, but forgot their names.
But bob why would someone compete in anything as a professional if making $$$ wasnt a goal.
Money is always the goal, but prize money is one part of it. Contracts, publicity, guest appearance, and more. Look at Jay Cutler, he must of at least 10-12 deals with a myriad of companies, not just one.
I would assume when it comes right down to it, if a Pro BB had to make a choice of either: 1) Being the Best in the World or- 2) Being the highest paid in the world He would probably choose the first
Some do, and some choose a supplement, or another type of deal that provides them a steady income each month, with guest appearances, demos, and much more.
Every bodybuilder should walk away with 10k regardless of placing
Top 10 should, but from then on it should go down. Perhaps 4K, but someone who comes in last, who isnt in tip top shape, should not.
bob what was the deal w stone cold and yourself? u looked angry when he said something to u somehting bout screwing up his intro?
Stone Cold backstage was awesome, great guy, friendly to everyone, and didnt have the 'persona' as you saw onstage. He wasnt angry at all, not before or after he came off stage.
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/contest_media/7992/0/d/img_18281254180625.jpg)
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I think there are 5 or 6 judges from outside the US that come to judge at this event. I know one of the judges is from Israel, very nice guy, and always fair in his judges. There are a few others from outside the US that I have met, but forgot their names.
Money is always the goal, but prize money is one part of it. Contracts, publicity, guest appearance, and more. Look at Jay Cutler, he must of at least 10-12 deals with a myriad of companies, not just one.
Some do, and some choose a supplement, or another type of deal that provides them a steady income each month, with guest appearances, demos, and much more.
Top 10 should, but from then on it should go down. Perhaps 4K, but someone who comes in last, who isnt in tip top shape, should not.
Stone Cold backstage was awesome, great guy, friendly to everyone, and didnt have the 'persona' as you saw onstage. He wasnt angry at all, not before or after he came off stage.
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/contest_media/7992/0/d/img_18281254180625.jpg)
wow Ron you are really dawfing stone cold there, he was probably shivering in his boots, yikes.
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Stone Cold backstage was awesome, great guy, friendly to everyone, and didnt have the 'persona' as you saw onstage. He wasnt angry at all, not before or after he came off stage.
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/contest_media/7992/0/d/img_18281254180625.jpg)
Did you say "WHAT" after his first sentence?
Im sure that would have made him laugh lol.
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The 202 has gone from non-exsistance, to reality, to the Olympia Expo, to the finals stage in 2 short years...I think were moving it along pretty good.
Overall is overall....no classes.
thats why we developed the 202, tostand on its own as a seperate entity.
You dont see the lightweight/ heavyweight boxing each other for the "overall", either...
Hi Bob,
That's true, but in amateur BB shows the winner of each weight class gets to battle for the overall, and it's not always the heavyweight that wins. So it might add a bit to the show to give at least the winner of the 202 class a chance to compete for the big prize?
Also, forgive my ignorance but I'm not completely up to speed on this 202 class. Is 202 the upper or lower weight limit??
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Bob, I haven't had a chance to read all these postings so this could be a repeat ..... but ......
Years ago someone or some reliable organization attempted to improve upon the NPC judging system/procedures and came to the conclusion that it worked as well as possible and should not be changed. (I do kind of recall that we went from 5 judges to 9 after that "study".)
Back then the IFBB judging system was entirely different from the NPC way of doing things.
I am no longer knowledgeable on how the IFBB judging is done but there was some move afoot a few years back to judge the IFBB pros just like the NPC judges the NPC amateurs.
Can you update me/us on that subject?
And does anyone recall the AAU Bodybuilding Judging Procedures? I've got that AAU Handbook stored away someplace but it would take some time and traveling to find it. (Also have the original IFBB steroid "guidelines" which I'll look for one of these days. Anyone else have a copy that it immediately available?)
Thanks, Bob.
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U must be some kind of 'rocket surgeon'.
As a matter of fact....
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V, I like your idea of the 202 winner competing for the Overall against the big guys.......
He may not win it but it would add to some of the prestige of winning the 202's.
Good thought!
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bob,there was a accident backstage after the presconfrence between Gustavo and Silvio or thats not true?
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bob,there was a accident backstage after the presconfrence between Gustavo and Silvio or thats not true?
Howd they get their cars back there? ???
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Howd they get their cars back there? ???
LOL...I was thinking the same thing....accident?
No idea what he's talking about
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(http://www.bodybuilding.com/contest_media/7992/0/d/img_18281254180625.jpg)
how the hell ron know which way the camera is?
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So Chick what is holding up Milos from competing in the IFBB again?
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Milos
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Chick who would win in a cage match between Stone Cold and Triple H?
And its Mr. O Triple H not degeneration X.
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Chick who would win in a cage match between Stone Cold and Triple H?
And its Mr. O Triple H not degeneration X.
Chick I was really expecting an answer here, both men have been a part of the Olympia experience therefore its relevant.
Separate question. And I mean this one sincerely as well. The last Olympia I attended was when Milos and DJ got um well you know... Anyway I was working a booth, and the rumors going around were crazy. Was the place ablaze in a similar fashion in light of the FDA bullshit? M1t and others were still legal at that point and we sold a shitload. How was the expo from a business aspect?
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Lets clarify few things,,
1. branch doesnt have no implents, he look sick because thats how he respond the hormones , takes a toll on him , but the fella all his muscles are his to the t, there are no implants - nothing on branch, very good hard worker on tons of hormones but whats he his
2. jason cutler deserved the win million percent , he is the reason many of you can dream of one day becoming mr o because he is a fella with average genetics that pull it to the max , and oh this fella pulled it plus phenomenal respond to hormones but he pulled it to the absolut max and thickest among professionals, so he proved me wrong and even at old age for white fella he won it, yes his waist is large but his all condition was out of this world and his shoulders are just wide as hell like bodybuilder should look like if he has larger than optimal waist. his arms still have no freakiness to them did not matter because his condition was out of this world
3. we compere at 3-4 % most of us 4% never 2 almost never 3 in some cases 3.5%
4. phil heath needs new calvicles - he just dont look right
5. dex should have been second, then branch , but just for the attitude and branch personality it went there ,,they were same level could go either way that night
6. jason as much as i say all the time that he is one of the worst mr o , is not. he is what hard work and dedication is all about, thats the type of fella that will get slap in the face a punch in the head and get up ,,thats the type of fella that we needed in bodybuilding,,its personality that will be good at anything he choose to be good at , i like people like that ,.that by itself make him uniqe champ
7 bobbie owned the show,,he should be the voice of ifbb main shows, same as jay leno was on tv and still is ,,the ifbb does it right they let him be recognized and groomed as the one name identified with pro bodybuilding competition,,they do it right ,,only this way you get popiarity you stick to something and go with it,,
8. very good o one of the best since 2000
gh15 approved
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6. jason as much as i say all the time that he is one of the worst mr o ,,is not ,,he is what hard work and dedication is all about,,thats the type of fella that will get slap in the face a punch in the head and get up ,,thats the type of fella that we needed in bodybuilding,,its personality that will be good at anything he choose to be good at ,,i like people like that ,.that by itself make him uniqe champ
LOL. You're an idiot. Only you can't see it. ;D
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Chick I was really expecting an answer here, both men have been a part of the Olympia experience therefore its relevant.
Separate question. And I mean this one sincerely as well. The last Olympia I attended was when Milos and DJ got um well you know...
Anyway I was working a booth, and the rumors going around were crazy.
Was the place ablaze in a similar fashion in light of the FDA bullshit?
M1t and others were still legal at that point and we sold a shitload. How was the expo from a business aspect?
I really dont know who would win...
tough call
No, there was little buzz going around...Expo kicked ass
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i read this dumb 9 pages and lets clarify few things,,
1. branch doesnt have no implents ,,he look sick because thats how he respond the hormones ,,takes a toll on him ,,but the fella all his muscles are his to the t,,there are no implent nothing on branch ,,very good hard worker on tons of hormones but whats his his
2. jason cutler deserved the win million percent ,, he is the reason many of you can dream of one day becoming mr o because he is a fella with average genetics that pull it to the max ,, and oh this fella pulled it plus phenomenal respond to hormones but he pulled it to the absolut max and thickest among professionals ,,so he proved me wrong and even at old age for white fella he won it ,,yes his waist is large but his all condition was out of this world and his shoulders are just wide as hell like bodybuilder should look like if he has larger than optimal waist..his arms wich stil have no freakiness to them did not matter because his condition was out of this world
3. we compere at 3-4 % most of us 4% never 2 almost never 3 in some cases 3.5%
4. phil heath needs new calvicles he just dont look right
5. dex should haev been second ,,then branch ,,,but just for the attitude and branch personality it went there ,,they were same level could go either way that night
6. jason as much as i say all the time that he is one of the worst mr o ,,is not ,,he is what hard work and dedication is all about,,thats the type of fella that will get slap in the face a punch in the head and get up ,,thats the type of fella that we needed in bodybuilding,,its personality that will be good at anything he choose to be good at ,,i like people like that ,.that by itself make him uniqe champ
7 bobbie owned the show,,he should be the voice of ifbb main shows,,same as jay leno was on tv and still is ,,the ifbb does it right they let him be recognized and groomed as the one name identified with pro bodybuilding competition,,they do it right ,,only this way you get popiarity you stick to something and go with it,,
8. very good o one of the best since 2000
gh15 approved
Thank you
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Chick - do you have any idea who this GH15 is?? Pro or just some computer geek that knows the BBing world?
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Dex has no calfs, he should be placed last.
this should be considered as a truism.
Even amateurs in local shows have much better calves than this year's 3rd place Mr. O
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Never understood why Lee did that... Dude had a nice physique.
they look(ed) horrible
Did he have them removed?
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You are full of shit, he's never torn his bicep.
It is well known that Branch tore his biceps probably 5-6 years ago, going way too heavy on curls, either 225 or 275. I tore my bicep also, and thats why it appears different in Branches left arm, because it ia a little shorter. A torn bicep that has been sucessfully re-attached will alwways be a little shorter than the other bicep.
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I dont know enough about anatomy to know if this is normal or not.
hard to say
it could be
the third pic, though, it is blurry but that does look like it could be a tear
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Dorian tore the INNER bicep , Branch tore the OUTER bicep
I know this is news to you, but there are TWO muscles in the BI-cep
Chick
when these fellows don't even know THESE basics
it just proves that they never see the innards of a gym
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Who are these Pro League people, by name?
I don't doubt their accreditation (How is that achieved? What is the process?), but who are they exactly, by name, and where can I find their judging resume's? (I know they are anonymous on scoring cards, but just the shows they've judged, y'know?) And again, how is it they are selected to judge the Olympia?
More transparency is a good thing, imo.
I know that only two former Olympia competitors judge:
Katz
Gaspari
Unless there are others...Chick?
Maybe the entire judging panel should be former Mr. O winners.
After all, they are all still alive and lucent.
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He's 90...what were you expecting?
not quite 90
I think 88?
God bless him...always wanted to meet him.
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I gotta disagree with you here man, watching all the old BFTO's you got Shawn Ray cruising to the gym in a Lamborgini Diablo, Dillet-Wheeler in Benzes, Dexter with various pimped out rides, Ronnie with 5 cars in his drive way, Jay with his crib/cars people see this and definitely think these guys are making some serious cash I know I did, there has to be tons of guys who got into BB thinking theres tons of money to be made..
anyone who pisses their money away on cars like that may have cash
but NOT wealth
they end up broke
Christ, Warren Buffett drives the same vehicle for many years, lives in the same house for 35 years, etc.
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I know that only two former Olympia competitors judge:
Katz
Gaspari
Unless there are others...Chick?
Maybe the entire judging panel should be former Mr. O winners.
After all, they are all still alive and lucent.
Former BBers (Olympians or not) dont necessarily make the best judges...that said, Vicky Gates, Linda Wood-Hoyt, John Hnatychack, Dorian Yates, Albert Beccles, etc have all judged or are still judging to this day..
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I disagree with the idea that BB are inherently boring. All pro sports now use sound (music), lights and cheerleaders -eye candy to make the game a better experience for the fan. NHL hockey is a little like a rock concert ( sound and lights)with guys playing hockey on the ice. The league and game format is careful to keep the play on the ice SERIOUS. The sound and light show is added to ENHANCE the game, NOT take away from the athletes.The actual play on the ice is asa serious and hard nose as ever. In other words, unlike WWE pro wrestlers the NHL athletes play a real sport free from a scripted outcome, but include all the sound and lights and excitement.
You are a wonderful MC and charismatic showman Bob, I think you get the idea here.
The old AFL (as currently portrayed on I think HBO) used to have the Miami Dolphins have an actual dolphin jump through a hoop for every score/first down.
the old ABA (Now NBA) had all kinds of tomfoolery for entertainment
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Bob, I haven't had a chance to read all these postings so this could be a repeat ..... but ......
Years ago someone or some reliable organization attempted to improve upon the NPC judging system/procedures and came to the conclusion that it worked as well as possible and should not be changed. (I do kind of recall that we went from 5 judges to 9 after that "study".)
Back then the IFBB judging system was entirely different from the NPC way of doing things.
I am no longer knowledgeable on how the IFBB judging is done but there was some move afoot a few years back to judge the IFBB pros just like the NPC judges the NPC amateurs.
Can you update me/us on that subject?
And does anyone recall the AAU Bodybuilding Judging Procedures? I've got that AAU Handbook stored away someplace but it would take some time and traveling to find it. (Also have the original IFBB steroid "guidelines" which I'll look for one of these days. Anyone else have a copy that it immediately available?)Thanks, Bob.
I recall them as being incredibly unwieldy and tedious compared to NPC
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Former BBers (Olympians or not) dont necessarily make the best judges...that said, Vicky Gates, Linda Wood-Hoyt, John Hnatychack, Dorian Yates, Albert Beccles, etc have all judged or are still judging to this day..
agreed
this was a suggestion by Frank Zane, who also has submitted to Ben Weider that the Vacuum should be a mandatory pose
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agreed
this was a suggestion by Frank Zane, who also has submitted to Ben Weider that the Vacuum should be a mandatory pose
LOL...of course, as it was his signature pose....the MM was also a mandatory but try to find a pic of Zane in a crab shot
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LOL...of course, as it was his signature pose....the MM was also a mandatory but try to find a pic of Zane in a crab shot
You can't
he'd always do the one hand on hip other hand flexed MM
and
As you can guess, he wanted the vacuum to try to temper burgeoning guts
you know Zane
a good guy
but kinda out there
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You can't
he'd always do the one hand on hip other hand flexed MM
and
As you can guess, he wanted the vacuum to try to temper burgeoning guts
you know Zane
a good guy
but kinda out there
Exactly....self serving (not that I'm surprised)...I'm sure Sergio would have liked the hands overhead pose as a mandatory, and Chuck Sipes would have liked the forearm pose included, and Dorian would have liked the single Bi/ calf shot.....
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Exactly....self serving (not that I'm surprised)...I'm sure Sergio would have liked the hands overhead pose as a mandatory, and Chuck Sipes would have liked the forearm pose included, and Dorian would have liked the single Bi/ calf shot.....
Chick, Chuck Sipes forearms mentioned by you reminds me of a pose asked for in late 70's early 80's called the 'gooseneck' to show forearms
ever had to do that one? I did as a teen...and funny, no teens had any forarm dev to show!
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I know that only two former Olympia competitors judge:
Katz
Gaspari
Unless there are others...Chick?
Maybe the entire judging panel should be former Mr. O winners.
After all, they are all still alive and lucent.
Its always gona be subjective anyway, so why not? At least those guys been there, done that...
BTW, great thread, Chick!
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All Bob did was give a politically correct BS answer that Wayne was feeding them all these years.
Truth is Bobby knows it helps to cozy up to the judges, just ask Rockell.
Hell Bob couldn't even answer this question (he deleted it in a fit of rage, when I mentioned this fact)
During the Men's Pre-judging, it appears that Dan Solomon and Larry Pepe were on color commentating duties. When Ronny Rockell hit the stage their commentary was that if...
Ronny had a better grasp of the English language, were more popular with the fans and had more of a presence on U.S. soil he would place higher.
My question is what does his ability to speak English and popularity with the 'fans' have to do with it? Isn't the Mr. Olympia about who has the best physique?
Bob, have you had a word with Dan / Pepe for suggesting politics exists in the IFBB?
Bob, I am so glad you put this "1 bad/corrupt judge can fix the contest" myth.
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the update is:
Now than Manion is running the IFBB,
it is now simply an extension of the NPC, and not the international organization that it used to be.
How many non-American judges again?
Bob, I haven't had a chance to read all these postings so this could be a repeat ..... but ......
Years ago someone or some reliable organization attempted to improve upon the NPC judging system/procedures and came to the conclusion that it worked as well as possible and should not be changed. (I do kind of recall that we went from 5 judges to 9 after that "study".)
Back then the IFBB judging system was entirely different from the NPC way of doing things.
I am no longer knowledgeable on how the IFBB judging is done but there was some move afoot a few years back to judge the IFBB pros just like the NPC judges the NPC amateurs.
Can you update me/us on that subject?
And does anyone recall the AAU Bodybuilding Judging Procedures? I've got that AAU Handbook stored away someplace but it would take some time and traveling to find it. (Also have the original IFBB steroid "guidelines" which I'll look for one of these days. Anyone else have a copy that it immediately available?)
Thanks, Bob.
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Obviously anyone associated with bbing big time will be deemed suspect of aas "dealing".
Judging, is subjective, since its the interpretation of what the guys look like according to one individuals opinion, which will differ across the panel, and competitors and fans will have yet another opinion. Also consider personal relationships of judges and competitors, wether the judges like them or not, they're human, so it will happen.
The Ronny thing, even Arnold was advised to move out, so was Gunter and Nasser. The more exposure you get in the US, the more magazine-shoots/covers, shows, guest-posings you are gonna do. Thats going to put you in the judges mind, they're gonna remember you, and notice you.
Didnt hurt Dorian though.
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Former BBers (Olympians or not) dont necessarily make the best judges...that said, Vicky Gates, Linda Wood-Hoyt, John Hnatychack, Dorian Yates, Albert Beccles, etc have all judged or are still judging to this day..
Yes but some former pros make dman good MC's I think ;D
How would you rate (0-10) your MC attire this yr compared to years past.
Considering that the infamous Capt Crunch Jacket would be a 10 and reg suit a 5, etc
Hehe, had to do it Bob, sorry
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LOL...of course, as it was his signature pose....the MM was also a mandatory but try to find a pic of Zane in a crab shot
In Arnold's Encyclopedia, Zane was said to have felt too small to do the traditional crab MM, hence why you never see him doing that shot. Not that you probably have never seen that quote...I just find it funny that you say Zane suggested the vacuum as a mandatory, which I feel is far more necessary than the MM as a mandatory. I guess I view as funny because Zane can pull off one with flying colors and the other not so much (due to his lack of overall mass), but his suggestion was not the one that was implemented.
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I've asked IFBB pros if they'd like to sit in as NPC judges (I recall asking three well known pros), but in each case they refused for various reasons ......
...." I'm not qualified."
...." I don't want to upset the contestants nor the fans."
.... "I have to be backstage getting ready to guest pose or on the road promoting the contest."
These "invites" were done as a 'courtesty' and no one expected them to accept.
In fact I can't recall any IFBB pro sitting in as a judging official in any NPC contest that I was involved with.
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Hey Bob now that bb.com was raided for illegal drugs, are any of your employers not associated with crime?
If you knew what you were talking about (which you clearly do not)...the employees have nothing to do with it. It's even subjective that BB.com has anything to do with it....what it has to do with is the governments insistance to get their hands on and regulate a industry that brings in billions of dollars a year and the pharmacuitical industrys tie in...
Were talking about Pro-hormones, and the gray area in which they occupy, not a supp, not a steroid...BB.com doesnt manufacture supps...individual companies do, which we stock and sell.
Instead of wasting millions of taxpayer dollars on this witch hunt of the supplement market...the goverment sits back and does NOTHING about alcohol/ tobacco which are LEGAL and account for more deaths per year than any other single factor, ar any of them combined...
Bottom line is, thereis big $$$$$$$$ in keeping people sick and the business of dying/ death...no money for the govt in keeping people healthy and alive.
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If you knew what you were talking about (which you clearly do not)...the employees have nothing to do with it. It's even subjective that BB.com has anything to do with it....what it has to do with is the governments insistance to get their hands on and regulate a industry that brings in billions of dollars a year and the pharmacuitical industrys tie in...
Were talking about Pro-hormones, and the gray area in which they occupy, not a supp, not a steroid...BB.com doesnt manufacture supps...individual companies do, which we stock and sell.
Instead of wasting millions of taxpayer dollars on this witch hunt of the supplement market...the goverment sits back and does NOTHING about alcohol/ tobacco which are LEGAL and account for more deaths per year than any other single factor, ar any of them combined...
Bottom line is, thereis big $$$$$$$$ in keeping people sick and the business of dying/ death...no money for the govt in keeping people healthy and alive.
While that's true Bob, BB.com refused to acknowledge a warning letter from the FDA and even sent back a letter stating that they were not going to even comply which in my opinion was not a great idea.
There's a time to stick to your guns and there's a time to keep your steel in the holster. If BB.com simply stopped selling the products in question and complied with the request, they would not have had to raid the facility. I agree that there are other products like tobacco and alcohol that are much more dangerous but there's a time and place for battle and that wasn't the time
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While that's true Bob, BB.com refused to acknowledge a warning letter from the FDA and even sent back a letter stating that they were not going to even comply which in my opinion was not a great idea.
There's a time to stick to your guns and there's a time to keep your steel in the holster. If BB.com simply stopped selling the products in question and complied with the request, we would not have had to raid the facility. I agree that there are other products like tobacco and alcohol that are much more dangerous but there's a time and place for battle and that wasn't the time
You're with the FDA?
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You're with the FDA?
typo...sorry. I meant they
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typo...sorry. I meant they
LOL, don't believe you...I think you just blew your cover Wiggum.
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LOL, don't believe you...I think you just blew your cover Wiggum.
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It was a typo, dipshit. I think everyone knows that I don't work for the FDA.
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It was a typo, dipshit. I think everyone knows that I don't work for the FDA.
That's what they USED to think.
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It was a typo, dipshit. I think everyone knows that I don't work for the FDA.
CSN MFT FDA CIA FBI
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If you knew what you were talking about (which you clearly do not)...the employees have nothing to do with it. It's even subjective that BB.com has anything to do with it....what it has to do with is the governments insistance to get their hands on and regulate a industry that brings in billions of dollars a year and the pharmacuitical industrys tie in...
Were talking about Pro-hormones, and the gray area in which they occupy, not a supp, not a steroid...BB.com doesnt manufacture supps...individual companies do, which we stock and sell.
Instead of wasting millions of taxpayer dollars on this witch hunt of the supplement market...the goverment sits back and does NOTHING about alcohol/ tobacco which are LEGAL and account for more deaths per year than any other single factor, ar any of them combined...
Bottom line is, thereis big $$$$$$$$ in keeping people sick and the business of dying/ death...no money for the govt in keeping people healthy and alive.
Such bullshit... sickening...
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Such bullshit... sickening...
agreed
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Such bullshit... sickening...
reminds (Chick) of Carl, doesn't he? ;)
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If you knew what you were talking about (which you clearly do not)...the employees have nothing to do with it. It's even subjective that BB.com has anything to do with it....what it has to do with is the governments insistance to get their hands on and regulate a industry that brings in billions of dollars a year and the pharmacuitical industrys tie in...
Were talking about Pro-hormones, and the gray area in which they occupy, not a supp, not a steroid...BB.com doesnt manufacture supps...individual companies do, which we stock and sell.
Instead of wasting millions of taxpayer dollars on this witch hunt of the supplement market...the goverment sits back and does NOTHING about alcohol/ tobacco which are LEGAL and account for more deaths per year than any other single factor, ar any of them combined...
Bottom line is, thereis big $$$$$$$$ in keeping people sick and the business of dying/ death...no money for the govt in keeping people healthy and alive.
theres so much fukin truth in that post its not even funny! kudos bob
and what they also dont realize is, once they get these prohormones off the market, all thats gonna cause is ur avg everday gym goer to look to alternative routes. i.e, steroids.
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theres so much fukin truth in that post its not even funny! kudos bob
and what they also dont realize is, once they get these prohormones off the market, all thats gonna cause is ur avg everday gym goer to look to alternative routes. i.e, steroids.
Whats funny is that the current list of prohormones are the ones that replaced the OLD ones...all they do is make the scientists go back to the lab and invent a new batch with a different name that doesnt fit into the old criteria...
I'm still trying to figure out what the downfall is....no one is knocking over banks or old Lady's, or ending up in rehab, or taking out their families, or going broke, etc...but, as I stated earlier..smoking, alcohol, obesity, gambling, etc are all legal and accepted...and encouraged.
Welfare fraud, unemployment, deadbeat dads, crime, taxes, healthcare, pedo's, rec drug dealers, corrupt politicians/ cops...things the govt SHOULD be focusing their (OUR) money and attention on...
What do they choose to pursue? Steroids and prostitution...two victimless "crimes"
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Whats funny is that the current list of prohormones are the ones that replaced the OLD ones...all they do is make the scientists go back to the lab and invent a new batch with a different name that doesnt fit into the old criteria...
I'm still trying to figure out what the downfall is....no one is knocking over banks or old Lady's, or ending up in rehab, or taking out their families, or going broke, etc...but, as I stated earlier..smoking, alcohol, obesity, gambling, etc are all legal and accepted...and encouraged.
Welfare fraud, unemployment, deadbeat dads, crime, taxes, healthcare, pedo's, rec drug dealers, corrupt politicians/ cops...things the govt SHOULD be focusing their (OUR) money and attention on...
What do they choose to pursue? Steroids and prostitution...two victimless "crimes"
Could agree with you more Bob.
I dont understand it at all, it doesnt make sense.
I just hope this isnt indicative of the direction that supplement companies will be forced to go in, will it stop with prohormones or pretty soon who knows maybe all that will be on the market will be whey and creatine......Just look at the whole hydroxycut fiasco, what was it, 2 ppl that had reported liver issues and they pulled it off the market.
If these supplement companies arent going to be making money then how will bb'ing make money?
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Whats funny is that the current list of prohormones are the ones that replaced the OLD ones...all they do is make the scientists go back to the lab and invent a new batch with a different name that doesnt fit into the old criteria...
I'm still trying to figure out what the downfall is....no one is knocking over banks or old Lady's, or ending up in rehab, or taking out their families, or going broke, etc...but, as I stated earlier..smoking, alcohol, obesity, gambling, etc are all legal and accepted...and encouraged.
Welfare fraud, unemployment, deadbeat dads, crime, taxes, healthcare, pedo's, rec drug dealers, corrupt politicians/ cops...things the govt SHOULD be focusing their (OUR) money and attention on...
What do they choose to pursue? Steroids and prostitution...two victimless "crimes"
The feds look like complete bucktoothed retards on this "bust". I actually believe they think "Halo- anabolic activator " is a STEROID *hey, the name has anablic in it soooooo it must be some roids hehehehe.
It times like this with the feds, that make me realize we will NEVER get any sensible, intelligent dialogue on steroid use in sports from the Government.
This recent Olympia however, made me feel GREAT about pro bodybuilding again. In my book, a well run contest with great physiques on stage is what matters. At the end of the day, the drugs are a NON issue for me as a fan.
FYI, ya did good up there as MC Bob. Too bad the female commentators were not nearly as good.
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The feds look like complete bucktoothed retards on this "bust". I actually believe they think "Halo- anabolic activator " is a STEROID *hey, the name has anablic in it soooooo it must be some roids hehehehe.
It times like this with the feds, that make me realize we will NEVER get any sensible, intelligent dialogue on steroid use in sports from the Government.
This recent Olympia however, made me feel GREAT about pro bodybuilding again. In my book, a well run contest with great physiques on stage is what matters. At the end of the day, the drugs are a NON issue for me as a fan.
FYI, ya did good up there as MC Bob. Too bad the female commentators were not nearly as good.
Thanks Howie...too bad you couldnt make it, even with the two comp VIP tickets...dont worry bro, I'll hook you up again in the future.
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Appreciate the thread Chick - Many thanks.
Can you answer what happened to the trend change from last year though? I thought the IFBB had decided to steer away from the massive unsymmetrical, ugly, highly drugged physiques - hence Dex last year and the aesthetic guys placing higher all last year. Why the U-Turn??
Cheers
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bob,there was a accident backstage after the presconfrence between Gustavo and Silvio or thats not true?
I noticed at the prejudging that, when they were doing a rear double biceps pose, they bumped arms and Gustavo said something to Silvio and pushed his arm a little. Silvio said something back and one of the expediters said something to both of them and that was it. Didn't look like they liked one another.
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Thanks Howie...too bad you couldnt make it, even with the two comp VIP tickets...dont worry bro, I'll hook you up again in the future.
Serious question Bob......
what happened to my 2 comped VIP passes?
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Appreciate the thread Chick - Many thanks.
Can you answer what happened to the trend change from last year though? I thought the IFBB had decided to steer away from the massive unsymmetrical, ugly, highly drugged physiques - hence Dex last year and the aesthetic guys placing higher all last year. Why the U-Turn??
Cheers
There is no "trend change"....I'm not sure where this noyion came from...Dexter was on, and Jay was off last year...simple as that.
They (judges) dont look for any specific "look"...they are looking for the best combination.
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I noticed at the prejudging that, when they were doing a rear double biceps pose, they bumped arms and Gustavo said something to Silvio and pushed his arm a little. Silvio said something back and one of the expediters said something to both of them and that was it. Didn't look like they liked one another.
Latin Bravado
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Serious question Bob......
what happened to my 2 comped VIP passes?
They sold to someone who paid for them
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There is no "trend change"....I'm not sure where this noyion came from...Dexter was on, and Jay was off last year...simple as that.
They (judges) dont look for any specific "look"...they are looking for the best combination.
Noyion?!
Thought it was pretty well publicised last year ... No worries though. I must have heard from the wrong sources.
My opinion is that this year they voted the 2 ugliest physiques tops - NO artistry or muscle sculpture at all. Sad but true.
The idea of the Olympia originally, was to celebrate THE most perfectly developed man ...... Not any more.
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Latin Bravado
Exactly!
Great job by both you and Dan this year Chick! You guys keep getting better each year.
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There is no "trend change"....I'm not sure where this noyion came from...Dexter was on, and Jay was off last year...simple as that.
They (judges) dont look for any specific "look"...they are looking for the best combination.
Yah, people always say that. They want more the Zane/Paris look. I do too. But when I see a beast like Jay or Ronnie then it's a different story. When Jay first walked out I was like "Oh, shit." When he stood next to Dexter I was like "Oh, double shit."
I've come to terms with the fact that bodybuilding is not a beauty contest. It's about seeing larger than life monsters that make your jaw drop and say, "Oh shit."
Personally, I wouldn't want to look like that and obviously I have nothing to worry about in that department but to see what the human body can do. To see what Jay, who everybody wrote off including me, accomplished that night is legendary and will be spoken of in hushed and awed tones for generations to come.
This charismatically challenged, middle class, white boy from Sterling, Mass really showed what kind of stuff he is made of. This monotone voiced machine really brought some excitement and inspiration to bodybuilding.
Who would have thought?
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chick,
what are your thoughts on ruhl's showing?
from the webcast, he dwarfed everybody.
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chick,
what are your thoughts on ruhl's showing?
from the webcast, he dwarfed everybody.
Yeah, Ruhl always gets screwed. Not only is he a beast he's so wildly popular with the fans and a real crowd pleaser. How he placed so low is a mystery to me. What's the dealio?
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chick,
what are your thoughts on ruhl's showing?
from the webcast, he dwarfed everybody.
I personally thought he was pretty damn good...not the pretty physique by any means, but the best he's been in some time
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Bob you did really great job out there and no one could have done better job than you! ;)
I would like to know your opinions about Phil Heath showings at both Pre-judging & the Final.
Do you think he was like a different human being in just 24 hours..?
For me if Phil looked at PJ the way he did at the final, he could have placed 2nd easily for sure.
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Chick, as always, your hair was luxurious and majestic. The irrational jealousy it inspires is almost understandable.
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Chick, as always, your hair was luxurious and majestic. The irrational jealousy it inspires is almost understandable.
Chick's hair is flawless, but his wardrobe scares me.
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lol, i wouldnt ever want a pair of those is if they were free.
sure you wouldn't
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Despite your grand opinions on what the government should do, your employer should have enough common sense to comply with the feds.
If you knew what you were talking about (which you clearly do not)...the employees have nothing to do with it. It's even subjective that BB.com has anything to do with it....what it has to do with is the governments insistance to get their hands on and regulate a industry that brings in billions of dollars a year and the pharmacuitical industrys tie in...
Were talking about Pro-hormones, and the gray area in which they occupy, not a supp, not a steroid...BB.com doesnt manufacture supps...individual companies do, which we stock and sell.
Instead of wasting millions of taxpayer dollars on this witch hunt of the supplement market...the goverment sits back and does NOTHING about alcohol/ tobacco which are LEGAL and account for more deaths per year than any other single factor, ar any of them combined...
Bottom line is, thereis big $$$$$$$$ in keeping people sick and the business of dying/ death...no money for the govt in keeping people healthy and alive.
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Hey Bob, I sent my Olympia review to BB.com to upload but I think they are too busy to post it. See if you can pull some strings for me and have it put up. ;D
http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/mrolympiareport2009.html
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Could Iris be the first crossover competitor, and do both the Women's Mrs. O and the men's 202?
yea it was actually a serious question, i think she could be top 5 in the under 202 show, shes was drier and had better symmetry than any of the men in that class.
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yea it was actually a serious question, i think she could be top 5 in the under 202 show, shes was drier and had better symmetry than any of the men in that class.
She doesn't stand a chance in the 202 class, Daryl Gee finished last and he destroys her in shape, mass and symmetry. If you compare her to Kevin English it's just plane ridiculous
(http://www.musculardevelopment.com/photos/transferred/_H4X0820_AYNNKHBSDL.jpg)(http://www.musculardevelopment.com/photos/transferred/_47I2038_AGYMMNKTFH.jpg)(http://www.musculardevelopment.com/photos/transferred/_47I1980_HXDSTKSLFH.jpg)
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:'( :'( :'(
January 2nd, 2005
Dear IFBB Pro Men,
First I want to say, “Happy New Year” to each and everyone of you and may all your dreams and goals come true in the coming year!
As you all know, I had to get 98 Signatures (Majority Vote) of the Registered Athletes in 2003 to become the Athlete Representative for 2004 to 2006. That being said, there are 3 Official Meetings per/ yr. where the Issues, Concerns, Problems and Changes can be dealt with. I have personally spoken with those of you who had serious problems and concerns, as they related directly or indirectly with matters of:
Prize Money, Judges, Pay Per View, Promoters Failure to Pay, Contest Entry Deadlines, Score Sheets and other issues that needed the attention of the the federation or issues that needed a response by the federation.
Well, some Athletes responded with feedback for me to place on the table with the federation, while others didn’t respond to any issues or complaints that related to them.
This year, most of you were expecting a response from me following the Mr. Olympia regarding the final “Issues & Concerns” that were to be placed before the other Officials and the federation Vice President. I forwarded the detailed items to Jim Manion, the IFBB Vice President 8 weeks prior to the Olympia Weekend and we were to go over them at the Mr. Olympia Meeting prior to the contest with other Representives and Officials. I received an Email from an IFBB Official Representative that had the “Formal Representative Meeting” starting at 9pm Wendsday evening after the Athletes Meeting.
However, when I showed up for the Men’s Meeting starting at 7:30pm, I was told the Official & Representative Meeting began at 4:30pm and was over. I was also told I should have received and Email stating the “Change of Time” on my computer. Sadly, I never did receive an email and or a phone call stating the change.
I was told I would receive the “Minutes” regarding the meeting, however I have yet to hear or see anything that happend or was addressed regarding the issues you guys wanted me to address?
It is for this reason, I feel the position of “Athlete Representative” for me does not carry equal balance for you the Athletes in regard to the federation and promoters.
Therefore, I removing myself from the position of “Athlete Representative” effective immediatly. I feel I am not able to effectively have the issues that need immediate attention addressed by the federation to aide and assist you in your professional careers.
I wish you all continued success and best wishes!
Respectfully,
Shawn Ray
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Milos,
Why dont you apply to co-represent the athletes? Take some of the load off Bob's shoulders, and 2 heads are better than one!
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Was this when Bobby stooge was handed the position?
(who also claims credit for Shawn raising the prize moneyfor the bottom placers)
Shawn wasnt there long enough to get anything done, Jackass....read the very letter you posted.
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Shawn wasnt there long enough to get anything done, Jackass....read the very letter you posted.
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pot meet kettle
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Chick,
When they passed you the top 6 piece of paper to announce from the judges. You said "INTERESTING!"
my question what was interesting to you; jay winning or branch getting 2 or...........???
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Chick,
When they passed you the top 6 piece of paper to announce from the judges. You said "INTERESTING!"
my question what was interesting to you; jay winning or branch getting 2 or...........???
Branch getting second/ Dexter third...
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Oh please, take those accusations away along with the silly 9/11 theories.
I have better things to do so I'm out.
haha...i did say you are a smart man , so try and keep up with that sentiment
9/11 my dears is the utmost setup by your gvmt
do yourself a favour... Google "Tim Osman".......
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Hey Bob !
How do you "work out" for emceeing an O? Do you practice a lot or is it "all "go with the flow?"
Am asking because we present a lot at work, and that requires some showmanship.
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All in all, this Olympia was one great contest, complete with surprises and more.
Thanks Chick for answering the questions, and for many for being polite (wow).
It does take a lot of work, especially for Chick, in being all these places for the entire weekend. Hence, I know, I usually take various pictures at the same time.