Author Topic: Chick's Olympia Thread (Read 34770 times)

Howard · « **Reply #175 on:** September 30, 2009, 11:08:01 AM »

Quote from: Chick on September 29, 2009, 05:54:22 PM

Explain to me just how one judge (weinberger) or another (Thompson) dictates the winner?

There are 3 highs and 3 lows thrown out, and each judge gets one vote...neither judge was the head judge (who gets no vote)

cant wait to hear this one...maybe your pal Special Ed has the answer...he was pretty close with his Olympia predictions (0-10)

Bob, I am so glad you put this "1 bad/corrupt judge can fix the contest" myth.

YoungBlood · « **Reply #176 on:** September 30, 2009, 11:25:38 AM »

Quote from: hairyB07 on September 30, 2009, 01:31:22 AM

Absolutely ridiculous!
So if a competitor 'brings it' on pre judging day, but doesnt look as hard on the saturday, he may have scored well at the PJ but continued to be scored on the day after, saturday?
And vice versa? - where a competitor hasn't brought it to the PJ because he has mis-timed certain things but gets it fixed for saturday, there is still a chance that he may place very high?
How un fair is that to those that got it right for PJ!!?
Bring it ON THE DAY!
You screw up, too bad! They're PROFESSIONALS after all right?
Bring it on show day (PJ) or too bad!

Traditionally, the contest has always been held on the same day, none of the split PJ and having the posedown on a second day.
When the 2001 Olympia occurred, every person cried foul, because Ronnie lost to Jay in the PJ and came back later at night and made up the deficit at the night show. That was unheard of at the time...nobody had ever done that, so it made everybody think conspiracy.
BBing has always been skewed in the sense that some of the rounds don't seem to count, or at least they come off as being scored as a different round. How can Ronnie Coleman out-pose Shawn Ray or Flex, yet he still received a 1st place vote in that round!
With the changes Bob seems to be aiming for, it will make it an even playing field. Allowing for more fair judging, and someone that may not have the most mass onstage, to make up for it by properly displaying his physique in the posing round. Just one instance, however.

Chick · « **Reply #177 on:** September 30, 2009, 05:36:38 PM »

Quote from: YoungBlood on September 30, 2009, 11:25:38 AM

Traditionally, the contest has always been held on the same day, none of the split PJ and having the posedown on a second day.
When the 2001 Olympia occurred, every person cried foul, because Ronnie lost to Jay in the PJ and came back later at night and made up the deficit at the night show. That was unheard of at the time...nobody had ever done that, so it made everybody think conspiracy.
BBing has always been skewed in the sense that some of the rounds don't seem to count, or at least they come off as being scored as a different round. How can Ronnie Coleman out-pose Shawn Ray or Flex, yet he still received a 1st place vote in that round!
With the changes Bob seems to be aiming for, it will make it an even playing field. Allowing for more fair judging, and someone that may not have the most mass onstage, to make up for it by properly displaying his physique in the posing round. Just one instance, however.

You're close....but the very example yoiu used is the EXACT reason the scoring of the posing round needs to be abolished....it's bullshit. Replaced with equal scoring for the posedown, and now were talking....

POsing round should be a showcase for the fans and entertaining....add to it a money prize which reflects the size/ stature of the show ( 5K-10K) and you'll ahve plenty of creativity and motivation

NaturalWonder83 · « **Reply #178 on:** September 30, 2009, 05:58:18 PM »

bob what was the deal w stone cold and yourself? u looked angry when he said something to u

somehting bout screwing up his intro?

what happened to my 2 fav celeberties?

erics · « **Reply #179 on:** September 30, 2009, 06:04:37 PM »

Quote from: Chick on September 30, 2009, 05:36:38 PM

You're close....but the very example yoiu used is the EXACT reason the scoring of the posing round needs to be abolished....it's bullshit. Replaced with equal scoring for the posedown, and now were talking....

POsing round should be a showcase for the fans and entertaining....add to it a money prize which reflects the size/ stature of the show ( 5K-10K) and you'll ahve plenty of creativity and motivation

This all depends on where you want bodybuilding to end up - as a sport or as a show.

Of course, you can combine the two but the powers that be have to ask themselves what is the base for the combination, the sport or the show?

Why not have each round act as an elimination round for the next round? That is, to qualify for round two, you would have to pass round one and so on.

Just an idea.

Chick · « **Reply #180 on:** September 30, 2009, 06:11:30 PM »

Quote from: erics on September 30, 2009, 06:04:37 PM

This all depends on where you want bodybuilding to end up - as a sport or as a show.

Of course, you can combine the two but the powers that be have to ask themselves what is the base for the combination, the sport or the show?

Why not have each round act as an elimination round for the next round? That is, to qualify for round two, you would have to pass round one and so on.

Just an idea.

The sport will always be the base, but there is no reason to promote more "show" throughout the competition. BB shows are traditionally BORING...tough to sell competitions...much easier to sell entertainment without compromising the integrity of the judging/ comp.

As for the elimination idea...it's pretty much what we do now...started with 24, 15 moved on to the finals, 6 moved on to the posedown...

chaos · « **Reply #181 on:** September 30, 2009, 06:13:11 PM »

Quote from: NaturalWonder83 on September 30, 2009, 05:58:18 PM

bob what was the deal w stone cold and yourself? u looked angry when he said something to u somehting bout screwing up his intro?

what happened to my 2 fav celeberties?

Stone Cold would open a can of whoop-ass on that Chick.

lastrep · « **Reply #182 on:** September 30, 2009, 06:16:17 PM »

Another great Olympia.. the first I've missed in years but the BB.com feed was flawless and was able to get it on my 60" screen so was close to being like a PPV event.. just free!

Bob, is there any chance in the future that the 202 class will receive more prestige? These guys busted their asses just as hard as the open class to earn their pro cards, train and diet and commit just as hard if not harder than the open mens class and it looks like the fans appreciate watching them just as much if not more than the open class. I would love to see a 202 Sandow.

What would be great, and I know you are against this would be to bring back the tall and short class system and then have the pose-down for the overall. I don't see ANY harm from this idea.. actually I see A LOT of pluses as it will bring that much more excitement to the evening.

Great work.

Chick · « **Reply #183 on:** September 30, 2009, 06:19:45 PM »

Quote from: lastrep on September 30, 2009, 06:16:17 PM

Another great Olympia.. the first I've missed in years but the BB.com feed was flawless and was able to get it on my 60" screen so was close to being like a PPV event.. just free!

Bob, is there any chance in the future that the 202 class will receive more prestige? These guys train just as hard if not harder than the open mens class and it looks like the fans appreciate watching them just as much if not more than the open class. I would love to see a 202 Sandow.

What would be great, and I know you are against this would be to bring back the tall and short class system and then have the pose-down for the overall. I don't see ANY harm from this idea.. actually I see A LOT of pluses as it will bring that much more excitement to the evening.

Great work.

The 202 has gone from non-exsistance, to reality, to the Olympia Expo, to the finals stage in 2 short years...I think were moving it along pretty good.

Overall is overall....no classes.

thats why we developed the 202, tostand on its own as a seperate entity.

You dont see the lightweight/ heavyweight boxing each other for the "overall", either...

NaturalWonder83 · « **Reply #184 on:** September 30, 2009, 06:24:48 PM »

bob u skipped over my question a few posts back bro^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^!

Has Beens · « **Reply #185 on:** September 30, 2009, 06:27:26 PM »

Chick,
You seemed very comfortable up there.......much more than ever before and I think you did a very good job. I was watching via the internet and it was a pleasure to watch. I liked the look on your face when you took at the peek of the final placings and with a grin said "interesting". At that point, my order of the final six I knew was out the window.

erics · « **Reply #186 on:** September 30, 2009, 06:33:23 PM »

Quote from: Chick on September 30, 2009, 06:11:30 PM

The sport will always be the base, but there is no reason to promote more "show" throughout the competition. BB shows are traditionally BORING...tough to sell competitions...much easier to sell entertainment without compromising the integrity of the judging/ comp.

As for the elimination idea...it's pretty much what we do now...started with 24, 15 moved on to the finals, 6 moved on to the posedown...

Fair enough, though I still feel that the judging ought to be more transparent with each aspect of a physique being scored in a way that allows the athletes and fans a clear indication of which aspect of the physique is causing them to be placed higher or lower. I think this would go a long way to improving the sports aspect of bodybuilding competition.

By having the elimination during each round more clear cut, I'd imagine you'd increase the tension for the spectators (no doubt for the athletes as well) which increases the drama etc etc. I think that this kind of approach would be much mroe effective in the long term than how loud the music is or how many flashing lights there are.

What about having some kind of set up where each athlete is dramatised with the lighting, perhaps up on a podium or something. I remember watching the webcast and when Branch first came out, I thought that the way he looked with the lighting all dramatic was incredible. I have in mind something like the 1983 Mr Olympia where they athletes did a silhouetted pose before coming out onto stage. If something along those lines could be used to highlight each athlete, then you could make the prejudging seem much more entertaining and to avoid boredom, limit the number of athletes who can qualify to maybe 12-15. This way, the lower placed guys would earn more money for their efforts and the prestige of the event, not to mention the logisitcs, would improve.

Again, just a few thoughts.

lastrep · « **Reply #187 on:** September 30, 2009, 06:39:28 PM »

Quote from: Chick on September 30, 2009, 06:19:45 PM

The 202 has gone from non-exsistance, to reality, to the Olympia Expo, to the finals stage in 2 short years...I think were moving it along pretty good.

Overall is overall....no classes.

thats why we developed the 202, tostand on its own as a seperate entity.

You dont see the lightweight/ heavyweight boxing each other for the "overall", either...

No.. but we're in a different sport.. we see the many classes battle it out for the overall in amateur contests everyday and it's very exciting to watch. It is dropped in the Pro ranks...

I am not complaining one bit.. the 202 is moving up great.. that's why I/we want to see more of it and have it get moved up to the same level as the open class as there is nothing "extra" the open men class do or have that the 202's don't. I am sure no body would complain as the respect is equal for both classes.

Just throwing out suggestions, that's all.

Chick · « **Reply #188 on:** September 30, 2009, 06:42:30 PM »

Quote from: lastrep on September 30, 2009, 06:39:28 PM

No.. but we're in a different sport.. we see the many classes battle it out for the overall in amateur contests everyday and it's very exciting to watch. It is dropped in the Pro ranks...

I am not complaining one bit.. the 202 is moving up great.. that's why I/we want to see more of it and have it get moved up to the same level as the open class as there is nothing "extra" the open men class do or have that the 202's don't. I am sure no body would complain as the respect is equal for both classes.

Just throwing out suggestions, that's all.

And they are appreciated, bro...

chaos · « **Reply #189 on:** September 30, 2009, 06:43:14 PM »

Quote from: Chick on September 30, 2009, 06:42:30 PM

And they are appreciated, bro...

LOL

grab an umbrella · « **Reply #190 on:** September 30, 2009, 10:19:12 PM »

Quote from: Albert Schmidt on September 30, 2009, 09:17:41 PM

What law am I breaking posting in any thread Clown????You Big head thinks you own this site.Well check who pays the bills.HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA How does your office look after the FDA went through it HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH.Yeah yeah yeah we all know Nobody cares about BBs and their Illegal Drug use.

Chick, can we get the broadcast in something other than wmv next year?

PANDAEMONIUM · « **Reply #191 on:** September 30, 2009, 10:34:48 PM »

Quote from: LilPoppaPete on September 30, 2009, 10:31:23 PM

Chick - just asking again, is there a site where we can look up Pro League names, e-mail to contact them, judges' names, contests judged, etc.? Thanks...

$:-\$

Chick · « **Reply #192 on:** October 01, 2009, 05:15:55 AM »

Quote from: LilPoppaPete on September 30, 2009, 10:31:23 PM

Chick - just asking again, is there a site where we can look up Pro League names, e-mail to contact them, judges' names, contests judged, etc.? Thanks...

try ifbbpro.com

or ifbb.com

Howard · « **Reply #193 on:** October 01, 2009, 09:50:50 AM »

Quote from: Chick on September 30, 2009, 06:11:30 PM

The sport will always be the base, but there is no reason to promote more "show" throughout the competition. BB shows are traditionally BORING...tough to sell competitions...much easier to sell entertainment without compromising the integrity of the judging/ comp.

As for the elimination idea...it's pretty much what we do now...started with 24, 15 moved on to the finals, 6 moved on to the posedown...

I disagree with the idea that BB are inherently boring. All pro sports now use sound (music), lights and cheerleaders -eye candy to make the game a better experience for the fan. NHL hockey is a little like a rock concert ( sound and lights)with guys playing hockey on the ice. The league and game format is careful to keep the play on the ice SERIOUS. The sound and light show is added to ENHANCE the game, NOT take away from the athletes.The actual play on the ice is asa serious and hard nose as ever. In other words, unlike WWE pro wrestlers the NHL athletes play a real sport free from a scripted outcome, but include all the sound and lights and excitement.
You are a wonderful MC and charismatic showman Bob, I think you get the idea here.

Ron · « **Reply #194 on:** October 01, 2009, 10:23:57 AM »

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Who are the Pro League and where are the Judges names.How many judges from outside America???

I think there are 5 or 6 judges from outside the US that come to judge at this event. I know one of the judges is from Israel, very nice guy, and always fair in his judges. There are a few others from outside the US that I have met, but forgot their names.

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But bob why would someone compete in anything as a professional if making $$$ wasnt a goal.

Money is always the goal, but prize money is one part of it. Contracts, publicity, guest appearance, and more. Look at Jay Cutler, he must of at least 10-12 deals with a myriad of companies, not just one.

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I would assume when it comes right down to it, if a Pro BB had to make a choice of either: 1) Being the Best in the World or- 2) Being the highest paid in the world He would probably choose the first

Some do, and some choose a supplement, or another type of deal that provides them a steady income each month, with guest appearances, demos, and much more.

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Every bodybuilder should walk away with 10k regardless of placing

Top 10 should, but from then on it should go down. Perhaps 4K, but someone who comes in last, who isnt in tip top shape, should not.

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bob what was the deal w stone cold and yourself? u looked angry when he said something to u somehting bout screwing up his intro?

Stone Cold backstage was awesome, great guy, friendly to everyone, and didnt have the 'persona' as you saw onstage. He wasnt angry at all, not before or after he came off stage.

jtsunami · « **Reply #195 on:** October 01, 2009, 10:46:27 AM »

Quote from: Ron on October 01, 2009, 10:23:57 AM

I think there are 5 or 6 judges from outside the US that come to judge at this event. I know one of the judges is from Israel, very nice guy, and always fair in his judges. There are a few others from outside the US that I have met, but forgot their names.

Money is always the goal, but prize money is one part of it. Contracts, publicity, guest appearance, and more. Look at Jay Cutler, he must of at least 10-12 deals with a myriad of companies, not just one.

Some do, and some choose a supplement, or another type of deal that provides them a steady income each month, with guest appearances, demos, and much more.

Top 10 should, but from then on it should go down. Perhaps 4K, but someone who comes in last, who isnt in tip top shape, should not.

Stone Cold backstage was awesome, great guy, friendly to everyone, and didnt have the 'persona' as you saw onstage. He wasnt angry at all, not before or after he came off stage.

wow Ron you are really dawfing stone cold there, he was probably shivering in his boots, yikes.

spinnis · « **Reply #196 on:** October 01, 2009, 10:53:15 AM »

Quote from: Ron on October 01, 2009, 10:23:57 AM

Stone Cold backstage was awesome, great guy, friendly to everyone, and didnt have the 'persona' as you saw onstage. He wasnt angry at all, not before or after he came off stage.

Did you say "WHAT" after his first sentence?

Im sure that would have made him laugh lol.

V Man · « **Reply #197 on:** October 01, 2009, 10:59:51 AM »

Quote from: Chick on September 30, 2009, 06:19:45 PM

The 202 has gone from non-exsistance, to reality, to the Olympia Expo, to the finals stage in 2 short years...I think were moving it along pretty good.

Overall is overall....no classes.

thats why we developed the 202, tostand on its own as a seperate entity.

You dont see the lightweight/ heavyweight boxing each other for the "overall", either...

Hi Bob,

That's true, but in amateur BB shows the winner of each weight class gets to battle for the overall, and it's not always the heavyweight that wins. So it might add a bit to the show to give at least the winner of the 202 class a chance to compete for the big prize?

Also, forgive my ignorance but I'm not completely up to speed on this 202 class. Is 202 the upper or lower weight limit??

stuntmovie · « **Reply #198 on:** October 01, 2009, 11:13:32 AM »

Bob, I haven't had a chance to read all these postings so this could be a repeat ..... but ......

Years ago someone or some reliable organization attempted to improve upon the NPC judging system/procedures and came to the conclusion that it worked as well as possible and should not be changed. (I do kind of recall that we went from 5 judges to 9 after that "study".)

Back then the IFBB judging system was entirely different from the NPC way of doing things.

I am no longer knowledgeable on how the IFBB judging is done but there was some move afoot a few years back to judge the IFBB pros just like the NPC judges the NPC amateurs.

Can you update me/us on that subject?

And does anyone recall the AAU Bodybuilding Judging Procedures? I've got that AAU Handbook stored away someplace but it would take some time and traveling to find it. (Also have the original IFBB steroid "guidelines" which I'll look for one of these days. Anyone else have a copy that it immediately available?)

Thanks, Bob.

V Man · « **Reply #199 on:** October 01, 2009, 11:56:26 AM »

Quote from: TacoBell on October 01, 2009, 11:20:08 AM

U must be some kind of 'rocket surgeon'.

As a matter of fact....

Author Topic: Chick's Olympia Thread (Read 34770 times)

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