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Body Building Products and Hidden Steroids: Enforcement Barriers
Senate Judiciary Committee
Subcommittee on Crime and Drugs
DATE: September 29, 2009
TIME: 02:30 PM
ROOM: Dirksen-226
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OFFICIAL HEARING NOTICE / WITNESS LIST:
September 21, 2009
NOTICE OF SUBCOMMITTEE HEARING
The Senate Committee on the Judiciary, Subcommittee on Crime and Drugs will hold a hearing entitled "Body Building Products and Hidden Steroids: Enforcement Barriers" on Tuesday, September 29, 2009 at 2:30 p.m. in Room 226 of the Senate Dirksen Office Building.
Chairman Specter will preside.
By order of the Chairman
Updated Witness List
Hearing before the
Senate Judiciary Committee
Subcommittee on Crime and Drugs
on
"Body Building Products and Hidden Steroids: Enforcement Barriers"
Tuesday, September 29, 2009
Dirksen Senate Office Building Room 226
2:30 p.m.
Michael Levy
Division Director
Office of Compliance
Center for Drug Evaluation and Research
U.S. Food and Drug Administration
Washington, DC
Joseph T. Rannazzisi
Deputy Assistant Administrator
Office of Diversion Control
Drug Enforcement Administration
U.S. Department of Justice
Washington, DC
Travis Tygart
Chief Executive Officer
United States Anti Doping Agency
Colorado Springs, CO
Daniel Fabricant, Ph.D.
Interim Executive Director and CEO
Vice President
Scientific & Regulatory Affairs
National Products Association
Washington, DC
Richard F. Kingham
Partner
Covington & Burling LLP
Washington, DC
View the live webcast...
http://judiciary.senate.gov/webcast/livewebcast.cfm
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yes ron that is the Committee great point
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Yes, and this is the live webcast about the discussion...
http://judiciary.senate.gov/webcast/livewebcast.cfm
At least for now...
I am sure more discussion on this 'committee' and what they want to do will come forth.
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Our tax dollars hard at work again ::)
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I'm watching it and it appears that things are about to get pretty bad as they are looking to simplify the law to schedule supplements.
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I'm watching it and it appears that things are about to get pretty bad as they are looking to simplify the law to schedule supplements.
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Before we know it they will start banning red meat, because of the iron and creatine contents are to high. Next, caffeine and any other stimulant. After that, protein powders.
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I'm watching it and it appears that things are about to get pretty bad as they are looking to simplify the law to schedule supplements.
since most supplements you can get at your local health food store is snake oil, why would this be a bad thing?
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Let's go socialism!! Let's go!! :-X
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Arlen Specter presiding. The Arlen Specter who crossed the floor to ensure his seat!? Oh brother. This is gonna be good.
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Let's go socialism!! Let's go!! :-X
yawn. the meme of today: anything you don't understand or don't like you call socialism
The Steroid Control Act of 2004 was signed by the previous president
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is there going to be a posedown at this hearing?
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yawn. the meme of today: anything you don't understand or don't like you call socialism
The Steroid Control Act of 2004 was signed by the previous president
Ohh, excuse me let me rephrase than.... Bush is the Devil
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since most supplements you can get at your local health food store is snake oil, why would this be a bad thing?
Its too much power to give to one organization and a lot of legal and good supplements and herbs would be eliminated. Those safeguards are in place to prevent such an action to take place.
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since most supplements you can get at your local health food store is snake oil, why would this be a bad thing?
Because no product should ever be required to prove efficacy. People should be free to learn for themselves to stay away from scams and not foster an environment of government protection to do so. Safety is another issue, but it's not the government's job to baby people. At least not from my perspective ["libertarian capitalism"].
Let's go socialism!! Let's go!! :-X
OMFG. :-X The scary thing is, you make a good point. :-X :-X
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Because no product should ever be required to prove efficacy. People should be free to learn for themselves to stay away from scams and not foster an environment of government protection to do so. Safety is another issue, but it's not the government's job to baby people in that way. At least not from my perspective ["libertarian capitalism"].
so advertisers should be able to say anything? cigarette manufacturers should be allowed to say their product is healthy? Cheerios should be allowed to say that eating their product will prevent heart attacks?
Many people "don't trust government". I don't trust business. Elected officials are suppose to report to their constituents, and they can be voted out of office. Businesses report to their shareholders, and their shareholders want the best (and usually quickest) return on their investment, even if that means screwing over or even inflicting damage onto the consumer.
in all things there needs to be checks and balances. with billion dollar industries, like the supplement industry, the only thing big enough to be a check and balance is the government.
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so advertisers should be able to say anything? cigarette manufacturers should be allowed to say their product is healthy? Cheerios should be allowed to say that eating their product will prevent heart attacks?
Many people "don't trust government". I don't trust business. Elected officials are suppose to report to their constituents, and they can be voted out of office. Businesses report to their shareholders, and their shareholders want the best (and usually quickest) return on their investment, even if that means screwing over or even inflicting damage onto the consumer.
in all things there needs to be checks and balances. with billion dollar industries, like the supplement industry, the only thing big enough to be a check and balance is the government.
You left out lobbyist....Who do they lobby for again?
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Arlen Specter presiding. The Arlen Specter who crossed the floor to ensure his seat!? Oh brother. This is gonna be good.
you watch too much tv
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yawn. the meme of today: anything you don't understand or don't like you call socialism
The Steroid Control Act of 2004 was signed by the previous president
Yeah and the ORIGINAL steroid controll act was decided on in Bidens commision,written by Biden and pushed through by Biden.
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you watch too much tv
Books. Movies. Internet. Newspapers/Periodicals. Yes. TV? Almost none.
/might catch a leaf game this week, tho. 8)
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Books. Movies. Internet. Newspapers/Periodicals. Yes. TV? Almost none.
/might catch a leaf game this week, tho. 8)
watch for falling nickles
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so advertisers should be able to say anything? cigarette manufacturers should be allowed to say their product is healthy? Cheerios should be allowed to say that eating their product will prevent heart attacks?
Many people "don't trust government". I don't trust business. Elected officials are suppose to report to their constituents, and they can be voted out of office. Businesses report to their shareholders, and their shareholders want the best (and usually quickest) return on their investment, even if that means screwing over or even inflicting damage onto the consumer.
in all things there needs to be checks and balances. with billion dollar industries, like the supplement industry, the only thing big enough to be a check and balance is the government.
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the free market, if it were truly free, would handle everything quite well.
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watch for falling nickles
Always. Saw a guy yesterday working out in those rubber open-toed Tiva sandals. Now, a guy like that is just asking for it. ;D
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Here is the list
The following list of nutritional supplements sold by Bodybuilding.com have been alleged to contain anabolic steroids by FDA-OCI Agent Robert Blenkinsop in case number case number 1:09-mj-06719-CWD -Document 1-3, on pages 8, 9, and 10:
4EVER FIT D-Drol
ADVANCED MUSCLE SCIENCE Dienedrone
ADVANCED MUSCLE SCIENCE Liquidrone UTT
ANABOLIC XTREME Hyperdrol H2
APS (aka ADVANCE MUSCLE SCIENCE) Mastavol
APS (aka ADVANCE MUSCLE SCIENCE) Revamp
APS (aka ADVANCE MUSCLE SCIENCE) Ultra Mass Stack
APS (aka ADVANCE MUSCLE SCIENCE) Ripped Stack
BETTER BODY SPORTS Finadex
BLACK CHINA LABS Straight Drol
BLACK CHINA LABS Straight Phlexed
BODY CONDITIONING SOLUTIONS TestraFLEX
BJORKLUND Methyldrostanolone
BOSC ENTERPRISES Epi-Tren
BOSC ENTERPRISES Magna Drol
CHAPARRAL LABS Epivol
CHAPARRAL LABS Pheravol-V
COMPETITIVE EDGE LABS M-Drol
COMPETITIVE EDGE LABS P-Plex
COMPETITIVE EDGE LABS X-tren
DIABOLIC LABS Epio-Plex
DIABOLIC LABS Finabolic 50
DIABOLIC LABS Revenge
ERGOPHARM 6-OXO
ERGOPHARM 6-OXO Extreme
EST (aka ENGINEERED SPORTS TECHNOLOGY) MethAnstance
EXTREME LABS Susto-Test Depot
FIZOGEN ON Cycle II Hardcore
GET (GENETIC EDGE TECHNOLOGIES) SUS-500
GET (GENETIC EDGE TECHNOLOGIES) Tren-250
HARDCORE FORMULATIONS T-Roid
IFORCE NUTRITION 1,4 AD Bold 200
IFORCE NUTRITION 17a PheraFLEX
IFORCE NUTRITION Dymethazine
IFORCE NUTRITION Methadrol
IDS (aka INNOVATIVE DELIVERY SYSTEMS) Bromodrol
IDS (aka INNOVATIVE DELIVERY SYSTEMS) Grow Tabs TR
IDS (aka INNOVATIVE DELIVERY SYSTEMS) Mass Tabs
IDS (aka INNOVATIVE DELIVERY SYSTEMS) Oxodrol Pro
IDS (aka INNOVATIVE DELIVERY SYSTEMS) Ripped Tabs TR
KILO SPORTS Massdrol
KILO SPORTS Phera-Mass
KILO SPORTS Trenadrol
MONSTER CAPS Monster Caps
MYOGENIX Spawn
NUTRA COASTAL D-Stianozol
NUTRA COASTAL H-Drol
NUTRA COASTAL S-Drol
NUTRA COASTAL Trena
PERFORMANCE ANABOLICS Methastadrol
PERFORMANCE ANABOLICS Tri-Methyl X
PURUS LABS E-pol Inslinsified
PURUS LABS Nasty Mass
RAGE RV2
RAGE RV3
RAGE RV4
RAGE RV5
REDEFINE NUTRITION Finaflex 550-XD
REDEFINE NUTRITION Finaflex Ripped
TRANSFORM SUPPLEMENTS Forged Extreme Mass
TRANSFORM SUPPLEMENTS Forged Lean Mass
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the free market, if it were truly free, would handle everything quite well.
as I wrote in another thread, the free market it not an intelligent being, has no memory. its made up of individuals who come and go, individuals who never learned or don't remember mistakes that happened 20, 30, 70 years ago, individuals who make decisions and even game the system based on their personal short term gains.
the free market tries to make the most profit in the shortest period of time, even when it causes long term damage that will affect the next generation.
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Well I suppose if you want Big Brother to look out and take care of you from cradle to grave but people need to take responsiblity for their own lives and discisions. Research before you buy any product and if you are harmed by it then that is what the courts are for.
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people need to take responsiblity for their own lives and discisions.
businesses do to, but they don't willingly
Research before you buy any product and if you are harmed by it then that is what the courts are for.
sure, individuals vs multibillion dollar corporations, sounds like a fair fight
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Will Gaspari be arrested?
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so advertisers should be able to say anything? cigarette manufacturers should be allowed to say their product is healthy? Cheerios should be allowed to say that eating their product will prevent heart attacks?
More or less, yes. Whatever happened to "Let the buyer beware"? Now it seems that everyone thinks that every product must be guaranteed by the government.
If advertisers like MuscleTech make exaggerated claims, this will be pointed out in reviews posted all over the internet that come up with minimal research on the subject. Lying to consumers about cigarettes is not nice, but again, the truth is freely available for those who actually take responsibility in their lives and look. If a person trusts health advice from a cereal box over their doctor, I don't imagine they know much about health anyway.
Many people "don't trust government". I don't trust business. Elected officials are suppose to report to their constituents, and they can be voted out of office. Businesses report to their shareholders, and their shareholders want the best (and usually quickest) return on their investment, even if that means screwing over or even inflicting damage onto the consumer.
If shareholders want the quickest return on investment, why doesn't the supermarket charge $1,000 for a basket of groceries?
businesses do to, but they don't willingly
sure, individuals vs multibillion dollar corporations, sounds like a fair fight
Milton Friedman discusses the government's role in regulation:
The government is responsible for providing courts of law where people are free to sue corporations for fraudulent claims. This is a healthy part of the free market mechanism. Even if corporations don't win, the cost of litigation is high and court costs alone are a deterrent against fraud.
in all things there needs to be checks and balances. with billion dollar industries, like the supplement industry, the only thing big enough to be a check and balance is the government.
If MuscleTech products caused death or injury other supplement companies would be there in a moment using that fact to their advantage by coming out with a superior product which does not cause the same ill effects.
Regulations can sometimes be good. Thanks to the enormous profits reaped by supplement companies we now have more good products out today than we ever had before, all thanks to capitalism. This will be slowed down immensely with regulation.
Try to understand the same rich elitists who control business will control the regulatory bodies. If big business is bad, would you rather have 100 of them or just one of them [government]?
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I'm watching it and it appears that things are about to get pretty bad as they are looking to simplify the law to schedule supplements.
good will stop young kids from getting their hard earned money practically stolen from them.
jt
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Because no product should ever be required to prove efficacy. People should be free to learn for themselves to stay away from scams and not foster an environment of government protection to do so. Safety is another issue, but it's not the government's job to baby people. At least not from my perspective ["libertarian capitalism"].
OMFG. :-X The scary thing is, you make a good point. :-X :-X
yeah great idea, sounds like a jewish idea, lets scam all the money we can from unsuspecting people until they wise up to our scam, but we always have new fish to scam right! Terrible idea, fuck that is disgusting let people find out for themselves, god that is stupid.
All you need is the food at your grocery mart, it is that simply no powders, pills, whatever they sell at those health food stores, bodybuilders only need food and steroids and some other chemicals, wtf would they use supplements?
jt
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so advertisers should be able to say anything? cigarette manufacturers should be allowed to say their product is healthy? Cheerios should be allowed to say that eating their product will prevent heart attacks?
Many people "don't trust government". I don't trust business. Elected officials are suppose to report to their constituents, and they can be voted out of office. Businesses report to their shareholders, and their shareholders want the best (and usually quickest) return on their investment, even if that means screwing over or even inflicting damage onto the consumer.
in all things there needs to be checks and balances. with billion dollar industries, like the supplement industry, the only thing big enough to be a check and balance is the government.
x2 great post, greed is a disgusting thing, we need government over sight.
jt
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as I wrote in another thread, the free market it not an intelligent being, has no memory. its made up of individuals who come and go, individuals who never learned or don't remember mistakes that happened 20, 30, 70 years ago, individuals who make decisions and even game the system based on their personal short term gains.
the free market tries to make the most profit in the shortest period of time, even when it causes long term damage that will affect the next generation.
again very smart man.
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More or less, yes. Whatever happened to "Let the buyer beware"? Now it seems that everyone thinks that every product must be guaranteed by the government.
If advertisers like MuscleTech make exaggerated claims, this will be pointed out in reviews posted all over the internet that come up with minimal research on the subject. Lying to consumers about cigarettes is not nice, but again, the truth is freely available for those who actually take responsibility in their lives and look. If a person trusts health advice from a cereal box over their doctor, I don't imagine they know much about health anyway.
You gotta be fuckin kidding me Matt, have the jews gotten to you? Not everyone has time or knowledge to get on the internet and research every product they buy. WTF??????
jt
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More or less, yes. Whatever happened to "Let the buyer beware"? Now it seems that everyone thinks that every product must be guaranteed by the government.
If advertisers like MuscleTech make exaggerated claims, this will be pointed out in reviews posted all over the internet that come up with minimal research on the subject. Lying to consumers about cigarettes is not nice, but again, the truth is freely available for those who actually take responsibility in their lives and look. If a person trusts health advice from a cereal box over their doctor, I don't imagine they know much about health anyway.
If shareholders want the quickest return on investment, why doesn't the supermarket charge $1,000 for a basket of groceries?
Milton Friedman discusses the government's role in regulation:
The government is responsible for providing courts of law where people are free to sue corporations for fraudulent claims. This is a healthy part of the free market mechanism. Even if corporations don't win, the cost of litigation is high and court costs alone are a deterrent against fraud.
If MuscleTech products caused death or injury other supplement companies would be there in a moment using that fact to their advantage by coming out with a superior product which does not cause the same ill effects.
Regulations can sometimes be good. Thanks to the enormous profits reaped by supplement companies we now have more good products out today than we ever had before, all thanks to capitalism. This will be slowed down immensely with regulation.
Try to understand the same rich elitists who control business will control the regulatory bodies. If big business is bad, would you rather have 100 of them or just one of them [government]?
One of the few things I agree with you on. I think one of the reasons why our populace is starting to resemble sheep is because Gov't is our shepard, and we don't have the survival mindset of wha we used to be (using the sheep anology-wild goats)
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One of the few things I agree with you on. I think one of the reasons why our populace is starting to resemble sheep is because Gov't is our shepard, and we don't have the survival mindset of wha we used to be (using the sheep anology-wild goats)
Yes, that is how it is starting to look in modern day USA. I give credit for there being a very well taken care of group of people, but they are now becoming spoiled and dependent brats if they haven't already.
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If we start trusting the government's opinion on what to put into our bodies and what not to. Instead of doing research ourselves. Than we have already took a huge step into socialism. Let's all depend on the government to tell us what is good and bad, let's just assume they know what is best for all of us. You know the United States wants to be in more control of a democratic government, but they don't realize that in other countries the government is more afraid of the people than the people are of the government. All we are doing with crap like this is using our government as a crutch because we are to lazy to think for ourselves.
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Could you guys possibly shut the fuck up with the political debate and tell me what the gist of this hearing was? Anybody?
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If we start trusting the government's opinion on what to put into our bodies and what not to. Instead of doing research ourselves. Than we have already took a huge step into socialism. Let's all depend on the government to tell us what is good and bad, let's just assume they know what is best for all of us. You know the United States wants to be in more control of a democratic government, but they don't realize that in other countries the government is more afraid of the people than the people are of the government. All we are doing with crap like this is using our government as a crutch because we are to lazy to think for ourselves.
this is complete scare tactics that republicans try to use. It isn't even worth mentioning republicans anymore, they are so obsolete and it is just ridiculous they are pathetic squirming like little teenagers trying to get people to pay attention to them anymore HAHHAHAH. Pathetic!
Socialism, ok what is wrong with that first of all? Right now money is everybody's god in the USA, it is disgusting. Is that what you want for your kids future, money worshipping and idol worshipping. The government isn't going to take over everything they are going to put in checks and balances, everyone needs them.
jt