Senate Judiciary Committee on Bodybuilding

[Bix]

Well I suppose if you want Big Brother to look out and take care of you from cradle to grave but people need to take responsiblity for their own lives and discisions. Research before you buy any product and if you are harmed by it then that is what the courts are for.

[timfogarty]

people need to take responsiblity for their own lives and discisions.

businesses do to, but they don't willingly

Research before you buy any product and if you are harmed by it then that is what the courts are for.

sure, individuals vs multibillion dollar corporations, sounds like a fair fight

[TechnoViking]

Will Gaspari be arrested?

[Matt C]

so advertisers should be able to say anything?   cigarette manufacturers should be allowed to say their product is healthy?  Cheerios should be allowed to say that eating their product will prevent heart attacks?

More or less, yes.  Whatever happened to "Let the buyer beware"?  Now it seems that everyone thinks that every product must be guaranteed by the government.

If advertisers like MuscleTech make exaggerated claims, this will be pointed out in reviews posted all over the internet that come up with minimal research on the subject.  Lying to consumers about cigarettes is not nice, but again, the truth is freely available for those who actually take responsibility in their lives and look.  If a person trusts health advice from a cereal box over their doctor, I don't imagine they know much about health anyway.

Many people "don't trust government".   I don't trust business.   Elected officials are suppose to report to their constituents, and they can be voted out of office.   Businesses report to their shareholders, and their shareholders want the best (and usually quickest) return on their investment, even if that means screwing over or even inflicting damage onto the consumer.

If shareholders want the quickest return on investment, why doesn't the supermarket charge $1,000 for a basket of groceries?

businesses do to, but they don't willingly

sure, individuals vs multibillion dollar corporations, sounds like a fair fight

Milton Friedman discusses the government's role in regulation:

The government is responsible for providing courts of law where people are free to sue corporations for fraudulent claims.  This is a healthy part of the free market mechanism.  Even if corporations don't win, the cost of litigation is high and court costs alone are a deterrent against fraud.

in all things there needs to be checks and balances.  with billion dollar industries, like the supplement industry, the only thing big enough to be a check and balance is the government.

If MuscleTech products caused death or injury other supplement companies would be there in a moment using that fact to their advantage by coming out with a superior product which does not cause the same ill effects.

Regulations can sometimes be good.  Thanks to the enormous profits reaped by supplement companies we now have more good products out today than we ever had before, all thanks to capitalism.  This will be slowed down immensely with regulation.

Try to understand the same rich elitists who control business will control the regulatory bodies.  If big business is bad, would you rather have 100 of them or just one of them [government]?

[jtsunami]

I'm watching it and it appears that things are about to get pretty bad as they are looking to simplify the law to schedule supplements.

good will stop young kids from getting their hard earned money practically stolen from them.

jt

[jtsunami]

Because no product should ever be required to prove efficacy.  People should be free to learn for themselves to stay away from scams and not foster an environment of government protection to do so.  Safety is another issue, but it's not the government's job to baby people.  At least not from my perspective ["libertarian capitalism"].

OMFG.    The scary thing is, you make a good point.  

yeah great idea, sounds like a jewish idea, lets scam all the money we can from unsuspecting people until they wise up to our scam, but we always have new fish to scam right!  Terrible idea, fuck that is disgusting let people find out for themselves, god that is stupid.

All you need is the food at your grocery mart, it is that simply no powders, pills, whatever they sell at those health food stores, bodybuilders only need food and steroids and some other chemicals, wtf would they use supplements?

jt

[jtsunami]

so advertisers should be able to say anything?   cigarette manufacturers should be allowed to say their product is healthy?  Cheerios should be allowed to say that eating their product will prevent heart attacks?  

Many people "don't trust government".   I don't trust business.   Elected officials are suppose to report to their constituents, and they can be voted out of office.   Businesses report to their shareholders, and their shareholders want the best (and usually quickest) return on their investment, even if that means screwing over or even inflicting damage onto the consumer.

in all things there needs to be checks and balances.  with billion dollar industries, like the supplement industry, the only thing big enough to be a check and balance is the government.

x2 great post, greed is a disgusting thing, we need government over sight.

jt

[jtsunami]

as I wrote in another thread,  the free market it not an intelligent being, has no memory.  its made up of individuals who come and go, individuals who never learned or don't remember mistakes that happened 20, 30, 70 years ago, individuals who make decisions and even game the system based on their personal short term gains.

the free market tries to make the most profit in the shortest period of time, even when it causes long term damage that will affect the next generation.

again very smart man. 

[jtsunami]

More or less, yes.  Whatever happened to "Let the buyer beware"?  Now it seems that everyone thinks that every product must be guaranteed by the government.

If advertisers like MuscleTech make exaggerated claims, this will be pointed out in reviews posted all over the internet that come up with minimal research on the subject.  Lying to consumers about cigarettes is not nice, but again, the truth is freely available for those who actually take responsibility in their lives and look.  If a person trusts health advice from a cereal box over their doctor, I don't imagine they know much about health anyway.

You gotta be fuckin kidding me Matt, have the jews gotten to you?  Not everyone has time or knowledge to get on the internet and research every product they buy.  WTF???

jt

[Parker]

More or less, yes.  Whatever happened to "Let the buyer beware"?  Now it seems that everyone thinks that every product must be guaranteed by the government.

If advertisers like MuscleTech make exaggerated claims, this will be pointed out in reviews posted all over the internet that come up with minimal research on the subject.  Lying to consumers about cigarettes is not nice, but again, the truth is freely available for those who actually take responsibility in their lives and look.  If a person trusts health advice from a cereal box over their doctor, I don't imagine they know much about health anyway.

If shareholders want the quickest return on investment, why doesn't the supermarket charge $1,000 for a basket of groceries?

Milton Friedman discusses the government's role in regulation:

The government is responsible for providing courts of law where people are free to sue corporations for fraudulent claims.  This is a healthy part of the free market mechanism.  Even if corporations don't win, the cost of litigation is high and court costs alone are a deterrent against fraud.

If MuscleTech products caused death or injury other supplement companies would be there in a moment using that fact to their advantage by coming out with a superior product which does not cause the same ill effects.

Regulations can sometimes be good.  Thanks to the enormous profits reaped by supplement companies we now have more good products out today than we ever had before, all thanks to capitalism.  This will be slowed down immensely with regulation.

Try to understand the same rich elitists who control business will control the regulatory bodies.  If big business is bad, would you rather have 100 of them or just one of them [government]?

One of the few things I agree with you on. I think one of the reasons why our populace is starting to resemble sheep  is because Gov't is our shepard, and we don't have the survival mindset of wha we used to be (using the sheep anology-wild goats)

[Matt C]

One of the few things I agree with you on. I think one of the reasons why our populace is starting to resemble sheep  is because Gov't is our shepard, and we don't have the survival mindset of wha we used to be (using the sheep anology-wild goats)

Yes, that is how it is starting to look in modern day USA.  I give credit for there being a very well taken care of group of people, but they are now becoming spoiled and dependent brats if they haven't already.

[ThaRealist]

If we start trusting the government's opinion on what to put into our bodies and what not to. Instead of doing research ourselves. Than we have already took a huge step into socialism. Let's all depend on the government to tell us what is good and bad, let's just assume they know what is best for all of us.  You know the United States wants to be in more control of a democratic government, but they don't realize that in other countries the government is more afraid of the people than the people are of the government. All we are doing with crap like this is using our government as a crutch because we are to lazy to think for ourselves.

[Palpatine Q]

Could you guys possibly shut the fuck up with the political debate and tell me what the gist of this hearing was?  Anybody?

[jtsunami]

If we start trusting the government's opinion on what to put into our bodies and what not to. Instead of doing research ourselves. Than we have already took a huge step into socialism. Let's all depend on the government to tell us what is good and bad, let's just assume they know what is best for all of us.  You know the United States wants to be in more control of a democratic government, but they don't realize that in other countries the government is more afraid of the people than the people are of the government. All we are doing with crap like this is using our government as a crutch because we are to lazy to think for ourselves.

this is complete scare tactics that republicans try to use.  It isn't even worth mentioning republicans anymore, they are so obsolete and it is just ridiculous they are pathetic squirming like little teenagers trying to get people to pay attention to them anymore HAHHAHAH.  Pathetic!

Socialism, ok what is wrong with that first of all?  Right now money is everybody's god in the USA, it is disgusting.  Is that what you want for your kids future, money worshipping and idol worshipping.  The government isn't going to take over everything they are going to put in checks and balances, everyone needs them.

jt