Senate Judiciary Committee on Bodybuilding

[Ron]

Body Building Products and Hidden Steroids: Enforcement Barriers


Senate Judiciary Committee
Subcommittee on Crime and Drugs
 DATE: September 29, 2009
TIME: 02:30 PM
ROOM: Dirksen-226

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OFFICIAL HEARING NOTICE / WITNESS LIST:
September 21, 2009

NOTICE OF SUBCOMMITTEE HEARING

The Senate Committee on the Judiciary, Subcommittee on Crime and Drugs will hold a hearing entitled "Body Building Products and Hidden Steroids: Enforcement Barriers" on Tuesday, September 29, 2009 at 2:30 p.m. in Room 226 of the Senate Dirksen Office Building.

Chairman Specter will preside.

By order of the Chairman

Updated Witness List

Hearing before the
Senate Judiciary Committee
Subcommittee on Crime and Drugs

on

"Body Building Products and Hidden Steroids: Enforcement Barriers"

Tuesday, September 29, 2009
Dirksen Senate Office Building Room 226
2:30 p.m.


Michael Levy
Division Director
Office of Compliance
Center for Drug Evaluation and Research
U.S. Food and Drug Administration
Washington, DC

Joseph T. Rannazzisi
Deputy Assistant Administrator
Office of Diversion Control
Drug Enforcement Administration
U.S. Department of Justice
Washington, DC

Travis Tygart
Chief Executive Officer
United States Anti Doping Agency
Colorado Springs, CO

Daniel Fabricant, Ph.D.
Interim Executive Director and CEO
Vice President
Scientific & Regulatory Affairs
National Products Association
Washington, DC

Richard F. Kingham
Partner
Covington & Burling LLP
Washington, DC


View the live webcast...

http://judiciary.senate.gov/webcast/livewebcast.cfm

[Marty Champions]

yes ron that is the Committee great point

[Ron]

Yes, and this is the live webcast about the discussion...

http://judiciary.senate.gov/webcast/livewebcast.cfm

At least for now...

I am sure more discussion on this 'committee' and what they want to do will come forth.

[ThaRealist]

Our tax dollars hard at work again

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

I'm watching it and it appears that things are about to get pretty bad as they are looking to simplify the law to schedule supplements.

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

I'm watching it and it appears that things are about to get pretty bad as they are looking to simplify the law to schedule supplements.

[ThaRealist]

Before we know it they will start banning red meat, because of the iron and creatine contents are to high.  Next, caffeine and any other stimulant. After that, protein powders.

[timfogarty]

I'm watching it and it appears that things are about to get pretty bad as they are looking to simplify the law to schedule supplements.

since most supplements you can get at your local health food store is snake oil, why would this be a bad thing?

[ThaRealist]

Let's go socialism!! Let's go!! 

[dr.chimps]

Arlen Specter presiding. The Arlen Specter who crossed the floor to ensure his seat!?  Oh brother. This is gonna be good.

[timfogarty]

Let's go socialism!! Let's go!! 

yawn.  the meme of today:  anything you don't understand or don't like you call socialism

The Steroid Control Act of 2004 was signed by the previous president

[tendonitis]

is there going to be a posedown at this hearing?

[ThaRealist]

yawn.  the meme of today:  anything you don't understand or don't like you call socialism

The Steroid Control Act of 2004 was signed by the previous president

Ohh, excuse me let me rephrase than.... Bush is the Devil

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

since most supplements you can get at your local health food store is snake oil, why would this be a bad thing?

Its too much power to give to one organization and a lot of legal and good supplements and herbs would be eliminated.  Those safeguards are in place to prevent such an action to take place. 

[Matt C]

since most supplements you can get at your local health food store is snake oil, why would this be a bad thing?

Because no product should ever be required to prove efficacy.  People should be free to learn for themselves to stay away from scams and not foster an environment of government protection to do so.  Safety is another issue, but it's not the government's job to baby people.  At least not from my perspective ["libertarian capitalism"].

Let's go socialism!! Let's go!!  

OMFG.    The scary thing is, you make a good point.  

[timfogarty]

Because no product should ever be required to prove efficacy.  People should be free to learn for themselves to stay away from scams and not foster an environment of government protection to do so.  Safety is another issue, but it's not the government's job to baby people in that way.  At least not from my perspective ["libertarian capitalism"].

so advertisers should be able to say anything?   cigarette manufacturers should be allowed to say their product is healthy?  Cheerios should be allowed to say that eating their product will prevent heart attacks?  

Many people "don't trust government".   I don't trust business.   Elected officials are suppose to report to their constituents, and they can be voted out of office.   Businesses report to their shareholders, and their shareholders want the best (and usually quickest) return on their investment, even if that means screwing over or even inflicting damage onto the consumer.

in all things there needs to be checks and balances.  with billion dollar industries, like the supplement industry, the only thing big enough to be a check and balance is the government.

[ThaRealist]

so advertisers should be able to say anything?   cigarette manufacturers should be allowed to say their product is healthy?  Cheerios should be allowed to say that eating their product will prevent heart attacks?  

Many people "don't trust government".   I don't trust business.   Elected officials are suppose to report to their constituents, and they can be voted out of office.   Businesses report to their shareholders, and their shareholders want the best (and usually quickest) return on their investment, even if that means screwing over or even inflicting damage onto the consumer.

in all things there needs to be checks and balances.  with billion dollar industries, like the supplement industry, the only thing big enough to be a check and balance is the government.

You left out lobbyist....Who do they lobby for again?

[lax]

Arlen Specter presiding. The Arlen Specter who crossed the floor to ensure his seat!?  Oh brother. This is gonna be good.

you watch too much tv

[BM OUT]

yawn.  the meme of today:  anything you don't understand or don't like you call socialism

The Steroid Control Act of 2004 was signed by the previous president

Yeah and the ORIGINAL steroid controll act was decided on in Bidens commision,written by Biden and pushed through by Biden.

[dr.chimps]

you watch too much tv

Books. Movies. Internet. Newspapers/Periodicals. Yes. TV? Almost none.

/might catch a leaf game this week, tho.  

[emn1964]

Books. Movies. Internet. Newspapers/Periodicals. Yes. TV? Almost none.

/might catch a leaf game this week, tho.  

watch for falling nickles

[Bix]

so advertisers should be able to say anything?   cigarette manufacturers should be allowed to say their product is healthy?  Cheerios should be allowed to say that eating their product will prevent heart attacks?  

Many people "don't trust government".   I don't trust business.   Elected officials are suppose to report to their constituents, and they can be voted out of office.   Businesses report to their shareholders, and their shareholders want the best (and usually quickest) return on their investment, even if that means screwing over or even inflicting damage onto the consumer.

in all things there needs to be checks and balances.  with billion dollar industries, like the supplement industry, the only thing big enough to be a check and balance is the government.

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the free market, if it were truly free, would handle everything quite well.

[dr.chimps]

watch for falling nickles

Always. Saw a guy yesterday working out in those rubber open-toed Tiva sandals. Now, a guy like that is just asking for it. 

[Stormcloud]

Here is the list

The following list of nutritional supplements sold by Bodybuilding.com have been alleged to contain anabolic steroids by FDA-OCI Agent Robert Blenkinsop in case number case number 1:09-mj-06719-CWD -Document 1-3, on pages 8, 9, and 10:

4EVER FIT D-Drol
ADVANCED MUSCLE SCIENCE Dienedrone
ADVANCED MUSCLE SCIENCE Liquidrone UTT
ANABOLIC XTREME Hyperdrol H2
APS (aka ADVANCE MUSCLE SCIENCE) Mastavol
APS (aka ADVANCE MUSCLE SCIENCE) Revamp
APS (aka ADVANCE MUSCLE SCIENCE) Ultra Mass Stack
APS (aka ADVANCE MUSCLE SCIENCE) Ripped Stack
BETTER BODY SPORTS Finadex
BLACK CHINA LABS Straight Drol
BLACK CHINA LABS Straight Phlexed
BODY CONDITIONING  SOLUTIONS TestraFLEX
BJORKLUND Methyldrostanolone
BOSC ENTERPRISES Epi-Tren
BOSC ENTERPRISES Magna Drol
CHAPARRAL LABS Epivol
CHAPARRAL LABS Pheravol-V
COMPETITIVE EDGE LABS M-Drol
COMPETITIVE EDGE LABS P-Plex
COMPETITIVE EDGE LABS X-tren
DIABOLIC LABS Epio-Plex
DIABOLIC LABS Finabolic 50
DIABOLIC LABS Revenge
ERGOPHARM 6-OXO
ERGOPHARM 6-OXO Extreme
EST (aka ENGINEERED SPORTS TECHNOLOGY) MethAnstance
EXTREME LABS Susto-Test Depot
FIZOGEN ON Cycle II Hardcore
GET (GENETIC EDGE TECHNOLOGIES) SUS-500
GET (GENETIC EDGE TECHNOLOGIES) Tren-250
HARDCORE FORMULATIONS T-Roid
IFORCE NUTRITION 1,4 AD Bold 200
IFORCE NUTRITION 17a PheraFLEX
IFORCE NUTRITION Dymethazine
IFORCE NUTRITION Methadrol
IDS (aka INNOVATIVE DELIVERY SYSTEMS) Bromodrol
IDS (aka INNOVATIVE DELIVERY SYSTEMS) Grow Tabs TR
IDS (aka INNOVATIVE DELIVERY SYSTEMS) Mass Tabs
IDS (aka INNOVATIVE DELIVERY SYSTEMS) Oxodrol Pro
IDS (aka INNOVATIVE DELIVERY SYSTEMS) Ripped Tabs TR
KILO SPORTS Massdrol
KILO SPORTS Phera-Mass
KILO SPORTS Trenadrol
MONSTER CAPS Monster Caps
MYOGENIX Spawn
NUTRA COASTAL D-Stianozol
NUTRA COASTAL H-Drol
NUTRA COASTAL S-Drol
NUTRA COASTAL Trena
PERFORMANCE ANABOLICS Methastadrol
PERFORMANCE ANABOLICS Tri-Methyl X
PURUS LABS E-pol Inslinsified
PURUS LABS Nasty Mass
RAGE RV2
RAGE RV3
RAGE RV4
RAGE RV5
REDEFINE NUTRITION Finaflex 550-XD
REDEFINE NUTRITION Finaflex Ripped
TRANSFORM SUPPLEMENTS Forged Extreme Mass
TRANSFORM SUPPLEMENTS Forged Lean Mass

[timfogarty]

the free market, if it were truly free, would handle everything quite well.

as I wrote in another thread,  the free market it not an intelligent being, has no memory.  its made up of individuals who come and go, individuals who never learned or don't remember mistakes that happened 20, 30, 70 years ago, individuals who make decisions and even game the system based on their personal short term gains.

the free market tries to make the most profit in the shortest period of time, even when it causes long term damage that will affect the next generation.