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CALIFORNIA´S GOVERNOR SIGNS LEGISLATION TO HELP TRACK AMMUNITION SALES (AB 962)
California Chronicle ^ | Oct 12, 2009 | California Chronicle
Posted on Monday, October 12, 2009 3:27:47 PM by GL of Sector 2814
Sacramento, CA – Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger signed into law legislation that will help law enforcement officials track down and apprehend armed criminals and other prohibited persons. AB 962 by Assembly Member Kevin DeLeon (D-Los Angeles) had the support of law enforcement officials from across the state and was modeled after successful city ordinances, including the cities of Sacramento and Los Angeles. AB 962 was the Brady Campaign´s top priority bill in this year´s legislature.
The law requires maintenance of purchaser records by handgun ammunition vendors. Local law enforcement can use these records to find illegal guns.
"The purchase records will provide our police officers with yet another tool to track down and apprehend armed and dangerous criminals," said Paul Helmke, President of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence.
The new law also requires the safe storage of handgun ammunition in stores and that all handgun ammunition sales be completed in face-to-face transactions. Sacramento and Los Angeles have had great success over the last few years with similar city ordinances. "Law enforcement officials in both cities have had great success in tracking down violent criminals who purchased ammunition in Sacramento and Los Angeles," said Ellen Boneparth, President of the California Brady Campaign Chapters. "Our California Brady Chapters were instrumental in urging cities to pass the local ordinances and getting strong support statewide for AB 962."
A 2006 study by the Rand Corporation on Los Angeles´ city ordinance showed 10,050 rounds of ammunition were purchased by prohibited persons in a period of just two months. The study concluded "…monitoring ammunition transactions may help reduce the supply of ammunition to criminals and the frequency of injuries from felonious gun assaults. Such a record can also provide information for generating leads on illegal firearm possession."
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Unfreaking real. And you think this is where they will stop? ? ?
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what's your problem with this?
we already keep track of who buys and sells guns don't we
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what's your problem with this?
we already keep track of who buys and sells guns don't we
Oh please - you r are in favor of a govt database for legal residents exercising a hobby?
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what's your problem with this?
we already keep track of who buys and sells guns don't we
Because it is nobody's business...period. No, the NICS is not a database of the firearms that you purchase...at least legally anyway.
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Because it is nobody's business...period. No, the NICS is not a database of the firearms that you purchase...at least legally anyway.
of course it's our business (the citizens of the state)
just like it's our business who ows the cars on our roads, etc...
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of course it's our business (the citizens of the state)
just like it's our business who ows the cars on our roads, etc...
why is it your business?
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Oh please - you r are in favor of a govt database for legal residents exercising a hobby?
since when is buying ammo a hobby
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since when is buying ammo a hobby
God are you dumb!
Target, Trap, Skeet, et etc are huge hobbies. What planet do you live on.
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"Law enforcement officials in both cities have had great success in tracking down violent criminals who purchased ammunition in Sacramento and Los Angeles," said Ellen Boneparth, President of the California Brady Campaign Chapters. "Our California Brady Chapters were instrumental in urging cities to pass the local ordinances and getting strong support statewide for AB 962."
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Where is her evidence for this?
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God are you dumb!
Target, Trap, Skeet, et etc are huge hobbies. What planet do you live on.
no shit dumbass
is the law about keepgin track of who is buys clay pigeons?
we're talking about buying ammo
did you even read the very story you posted.
how can you possibly have a problem with anything in that story
the fact that it bothers you is a good enough reason all by itself
I'm sure the day will come when you finally lose all touch with reality and shoot yourself or someone else
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no shit dumbass
is the law about keepgin track of who is buys clay pigeons?
we're talking about buying ammo
did you even read the very story you posted.
how can you possibly have a problem with anything in that story
the fact that it bothers you is a good enough reason all by itself
I'm sure the day will come when you finally lose all touch with reality and shoot yourself or someone else
BECAUSE MAYBE I DONT FEEL LIKE I NEED TO BE PUT IN A GOVERNMENT DATABASE YOU POS.
I have no criminal record, never violated the law so far as I know, have been shooting for 15 years, buy a few thousand rounds a year for target practice, etc. Why should I have to go into a govt database?
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why is it your business?
bump for an answer
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More bullshit legislation to keep track of the law abiding citizens, I live in Illinois, Chicago has really strick guns laws. Has that stopped shootings? Hell no, criminals don't obey the law, and I doubt they are going down to the local gun store the get guns and ammo.
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More bullshit legislation to keep track of the law abiding citizens, I live in Illinois, Chicago has really strick guns laws. Has that stopped shootings? Hell no, criminals don't obey the law, and I doubt they are going down to the local gun store the get guns and ammo.
This is going to destroy local gun stores.
Good job liberals. More unemployment and loss of sales tax revenue.
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F'em,
I already buy all my ammo in Oregon anyways.
This was pushed by the liberals as a feel-good alternative to addressing the real problem, criminals.
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This is going to destroy local gun stores.
Good job liberals. More unemployment and loss of sales tax revenue.
This is more typical do-gooder bullshit, it's a feel good law that will have zero impact on criminals, but will make life more diffcult for the law abiding gu owner, just like all the other half ass gun laws that get passed. Politicians just don't seem to understand that criminals don't obey the law. No matter how many fucking laws they pass.
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if people love guns, America, and freedom so much they should join the Army
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if people love guns, America, and freedom so much they should join the Army
Try reading the 2nd Amendment to the constitution
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bump for an answer
I answered that in a response to someone else
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if people love guns, America, and freedom so much they should join the Army
Why? Does the 2nd Amnd. require service in the military to own a firearm?
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Try reading the 2nd Amendment to the constitution
where in the 2nd ammendment does it say the state or federal government cannot track ammo sales?
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of course it's our business (the citizens of the state)
just like it's our business who ows the cars on our roads, etc...
that doesnt answer shit by logic everything that goes on within a state is your business...
again why exactly is it your business?
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that doesnt answer shit by logic everything that goes on within a state is your business...
again why exactly is it your business?
yep - you repeated my answer
the state has a process for making regulations and I have no problem with this law
you don't even live in CA so why should I even bother discussing it with you?
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where in the 2nd ammendment does it say the state or federal government cannot track ammo sales?
How about we track you reading material? Where in the const. does it state state we cant do that?
How about we track your internet viewing history?
Geez straw - you just love the govt tracking you and everything you do no?
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where in the 2nd ammendment does it say the state or federal government cannot track ammo sales?
Where does it say they can?
Bullshit gun laws are being struck down as unconstitutional by the supreme court, as a matter of fact the Illinois laws should be coming up soon. The only thing that I can agree with is that this is being done at a state level and not federal, which it should be, no matter how stupid I think the law is.
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yep - you repeated my answer
the state has a process for making regulations and I have no problem with this law
you don't even live in CA so why should I even bother discussing it with you?
Yet, the govt prosposes any regulation having anything to do with abortion and you liberals have a fit.
Go figure.
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When will Cali keep track of spending or illegals??
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When will Cali keep track of spending or illegals??
Don't be ridiculous, that would actually have some effect on a problem
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When will Cali keep track of spending or illegals??
Damn right bro.
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of course it's our business (the citizens of the state)
just like it's our business who ows the cars on our roads, etc...
No it isn't your business of what I buy or how much. How in the world do you propose that is your business? How does my buying ammo for defense and recreation have ANY effect on you? It is not your right to track me in any way, shape, or form. This isn't unlike the DNA database that Hugo posts on. It isn't any of your damn business.
Where's that head in the sand picture?
You also didn't answer Tony's question.
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Yet, the govt prosposes any regulation having anything to do with abortion and you liberals have a fit.
Go figure.
don't we already have regulations on abortion?
wtf do those two things even have in common?
just the fact that something like this bothers you tells me it's probably a good thing
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just the fact that something like this bothers you tells me it's probably a good thing
don't we already have regulations on abortion?
wtf do those two things even have in common?
If you think there is some relevence there then how about we do a straight swap
Let's outlaw guns and abortion
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don't we already have regulations on abortion?
wtf do those two things even have in common?
just the fact that something like this bothers you tells me it's probably a good thing
The govt is only here to help right Straw?
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No it isn't your business of what I buy or how much. How in the world do you propose that is your business? How does my buying ammo for defense and recreation have ANY effect on you? It is not your right to track me in any way, shape, or form. This isn't unlike the DNA database that Hugo posts on. It isn't any of your damn business.
Where's that head in the sand picture?
You also didn't answer Tony's question.
news flash - I don't have to answer or keep answering anyones question
Tony doesn't even live in CA so who cares what he thinks
I live here and I have no problem with this law at all
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yep - you repeated my answer
the state has a process for making regulations and I have no problem with this law
you don't even live in CA so why should I even bother discussing it with you?
you dont live in any state where gay marriage has been outlawed or serve in the military what should anybody listen to your idiot ass?
sersiously straw? youve descended into a bad bad place bro
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The govt is only here to help right Straw?
the govt is only here to intrude on your life and take over your life and take away your money right?
what is the problem with this legislation
I don't see any problem at all
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yep - you repeated my answer
the state has a process for making regulations and I have no problem with this law
you don't even live in CA so why should I even bother discussing it with you?
but this is good to know straw b/c i expect to never again see you address a state issue outside of yours... ;D
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the govt is only here to intrude on your life and take over your life and take away your money right?
what is the problem with this legislation
I don't see any problem at all
Because it is of no use, the bloods and crips aren't going down to the local gander moutain to stock up on guns and ammo. How exactly is going to reduce crime, or lead to arrests if criminals get their guns and ammo via illegal channels? All it does is infringe upon the privacy of law abiding citizen.
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you dont live in any state where gay marriage has been outlawed or serve in the military what should anybody listen to your idiot ass?
sersiously straw? youve descended into a bad bad place bro
I don't even know what you're trying to say in your post.
I don't serve in the miliatary or live "in any state where gay marriage has been outlawed"
uh - ok
then stop asking me questions dipshit
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Why? Does the 2nd Amnd. require service in the military to own a firearm?
no, but it seems a logical fit for people who are so passionate about those things especially when their country is at war
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Because it is of no use, the bloods and crips aren't going down to the local gander moutain to stock up on guns and ammo. How exactly is going to reduce crime, or lead to arrests if criminals get their guns and ammo via illegal channels? All it does is infringe upon the privacy of law abiding citizen.
ok - I see where you're coming from
just give up and do nothing
I don't buy the privacy argument.
why should the government know what car I drive?
Criminals most likely steal their cars anyway so all it does is infringe on my right to privacy
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Big Poopa aren't you in Afghanistan?
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no, but it seems a logical fit for people who are so passionate about those things especially when their country is at war
1. What does self defense against criminals and exercising a constitutional right have to do with military service?
2. What about people to old or infirm to serve?
3. What about people who maybe already served?
4. What about people who are self employed and have familes and cant serve?
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but this is good to know straw b/c i expect to never again see you address a state issue outside of yours... ;D
I'd be fine with that as long as we're talking about a state law
you'll do the same too right.
please remind me when we're discussing a law in your state and I'm be happy to stay out of it
I trust we'll hear nothing more from you on this thread
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news flash - I don't have to answer or keep answering anyones question
Tony doesn't even live in CA so who cares what he thinks
I live here and I have no problem with this law at all
How do you think this is going to help the public safety which is what you imply by having no problem with the law. It is way too much government control.
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ok - I see where you're coming from
just give up and do nothing
I don't buy the privacy argument.
why should the government know what car I drive?
Criminals most likely steal their cars anyway so all it does is infringe on my right to privacy
How about actually going after the criminals, and maybe executing a bitch from time to time. Laws only apply to those that follow them.
Actually what kind of car you drive is none of the states buisness, but they gotta stick you for some cash for your license plates, so in the process they find out what kind of car you drive
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DMV programs and fees are nothing more than revenue production.
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DMV programs and fees are nothing more than revenue production.
Exactly. in NYS that just doubled the DMV fees to cover the budget deficit.
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ok - I see where you're coming from
just give up and do nothing
I don't buy the privacy argument.
why should the government know what car I drive?
Criminals most likely steal their cars anyway so all it does is infringe on my right to privacy
Yep, an individual has no right to privacy. You're right. The state shouldn't know what car you drive nor should it be public info. As was stated before it's just more government control and revenue earner. Nothing else.
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Yep, an individual has no right to privacy. You're right. The state shouldn't know what car you drive nor should it be public info. As was stated before it's just more government control and revenue earner. Nothing else.
From what I can tell, there is abolsutely nothing that the govt could do that Straw would find objectionable.
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Hey Straw - what is CA passed a law setting a database to track your internet browsing history?
The law is supposed to catch child predators and stalkers.
Are you ok with that?
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BPJ, aren't you in Afghanistan?
no, I'm back home now
I wish I was - I loved it over there
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I'd be fine with that as long as we're talking about a state law
you'll do the same too right.
please remind me when we're discussing a law in your state and I'm be happy to stay out of it
I trust we'll hear nothing more from you on this thread
lol no i wont do the same i dont hold the same idiotic train of thought as you but apparently b/c i dont live in CA i cant have an opinion or nobody should listen to my opinion on things that go on within that state.
I think i should and ppl should listen but if you comment on other state issues outside of yours that makes you a hypocrite...
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lol no i wont do the same i dont hold the same idiotic train of thought as you but apparently b/c i dont live in CA i cant have an opinion or nobody should listen to my opinion on things that go on within that state.
I think i should and ppl should listen but if you comment on other state issues outside of yours that makes you a hypocrite...
It starts in CA and then other states get their bright ideas. The hysterical thing about this is now the state will probably lose millions in sales tax revenue and then propose hiking taxes on ammo to make up for the shorfall and engage in this endless cycle of liberal stupidity.
It needs to be stopped everywhere.
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no, I'm back home now
I wish I was - I loved it over there
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Hey Straw - what is CA passed a law setting a database to track your internet browsing history?
The law is supposed to catch child predators and stalkers.
Are you ok with that?
exactly
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Hey Straw - what is CA passed a law setting a database to track your internet browsing history?
The law is supposed to catch child predators and stalkers.
Are you ok with that?
I wouldn't doubt it's already allowed by the Patriot Act or something else.
Everytime they catch one of these weirdos LE always seems to know exactly what they were looking at on the computer.
The worst thing you'd see on my browser is the ridiculous about of time I waste on GB.
I do find it weird how both sides line up on issues like this.
I've owned guns (dont' have any at the moment) and it never bothered me at all to have to wait to buy one and it woudn't bother me in the slightest bit that store has to keep track of who buys the ammo.
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I wouldn't doubt it's already allowed by the Patriot Act or something else.
Everytime they catch one of these weirdos LE always seems to know exactly what they were looking at on the computer.
The worst thing you'd see on my browser is the ridiculous about of time I waste on GB.
I do find it weird how both sides line up on issues like this.
I've owned guns (dont' have any at the moment) and it never bothered me at all to have to wait to buy one and it woudn't bother me in the slightest bit that store has to keep track of who buys the ammo.
I have no problem with the background check for the gun license itself, but not for ammo. This presents so many privacy and others issues its not funny.
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haha
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This is a no brainer. It's modeled after successful city ordinances in Sacremento and LA (i.e. it's already in place in two very large cities) and it has the support of law enforcemnt
It also requires the safe storage of handgun ammunition in stores and that all handgun ammunition sales be completed in face-to-face transactions.
bottom line - if you own an illegal gun it's just a bit more difficult to get ammo without creating a papertrail.
An added bonus is it makes guys like 333 even crazier and that's always good for a laugh
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This is a no brainer. It's modeled after successful city ordinances in Sacremento and LA (i.e. it's already in place in two very large cities) and it has the support of law enforcemnt
It also requires the safe storage of handgun ammunition in stores and that all handgun ammunition sales be completed in face-to-face transactions.
bottom line - if you own an illegal gun it's just a bit more difficult to get ammo without creating a papertrail.
An added bonus is it makes guys like 333 even crazier and that's always good for a laugh
Where are the stats for that?
BTW - most cops I know could not give a shit about civil rights or liberties.
Good have a laugh at my expense while your rights are eroded daily. You are such a lemming.
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This is going to destroy local gun stores.
Good job liberals. More unemployment and loss of sales tax revenue.
arnold signed it. law enforcement pushed for it and you're only blaming liberals ::)
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Republican Arnold Schwarzenegger has done more to hurt gun rights than Democrat Barack Obama.
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This is nothing more than a backdoor way to fuck with gun owners
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I'm not sure this law will have a devastating impact. Whenever I buy ammo, it's usually 10 boxes a pop and I pay with my debit card. That alone leaves an audit trail law enforcement can follow. And I wouldn't think the majority are paying in cash, though I don't have any stats on it.
And stop laughing at us, Evil Hugo...
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This is going to destroy local gun stores.
Good job liberals. More unemployment and loss of sales tax revenue.
How can you blame this on liberals - Schwarzenegger signed this into law.
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Good job liberals.
Republican Arnold Schwarzenegger has done more to hurt gun rights than Democrat Barack Obama.
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How can you blame this on liberals - Schwarzenegger signed this into law.
1. Arnold is a RINO liberal.
2. Where did the bill originate? Do i need to do a third grade civics lesson with you libs? The CA legislature where this disgrace originated is run by who again? Ill let you guess how it got to the gov's desk.
3. Can we discuss the merits or lack thereof of this instead of it devolving into nonsense like 240 is posting?
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1. Arnold is a RINO liberal.
2. Where did the bill originate? Do i need to do a third grade civics lesson with you libs? The CA legislature where this disgrace originated is run by who again? Ill let you guess how it got to the gov's desk.
3. Can we discuss the merits or lack thereof of this instead of it devolving into nonsense like 240 is posting?
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So you get to pick/choose which repub party members are at the table? Nope. He's in the party. They can kick him out if they'd like.
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Why the heck didn't Arnold veto this piece of crap bill? I have no clue where it orginiated, but I betch it wasn't obama's desk.
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Why nonsense did I post? You accused liberals of it. I pointed out that the most liberal member of congress, and most lib present in 30 years, sure hasn't gone after guns. But the man high-fiving mccain/palin in october did. You do the math ;)
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It starts in CA and then other states get their bright ideas. The hysterical thing about this is now the state will probably lose millions in sales tax revenue and then propose hiking taxes on ammo to make up for the shorfall and engage in this endless cycle of liberal stupidity.
It needs to be stopped everywhere.
thats exactly right which is why others opinion of such activity is relevant
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Where did the bill originate? Do i need to do a third grade civics lesson with you libs? The CA legislature where this disgrace originated is run by who again? Ill let you guess how it got to the gov's desk.
333, I never heard of this bill until this morning.
this is from the first post: AB 962 by Assembly Member Kevin DeLeon (D-Los Angeles) had the support of law enforcement officials from across the state and was modeled after successful city ordinances, including the cities of Sacramento and Los Angeles. AB 962 was the Brady Campaign´s top priority bill in this year´s legislature.
do you have a CT?
is there someone else involved?
why didn't Arnold veto this bill?
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1. Arnold is a RINO liberal.
2. Where did the bill originate? Do i need to do a third grade civics lesson with you libs? The CA legislature where this disgrace originated is run by who again? Ill let you guess how it got to the gov's desk.
3. Can we discuss the merits or lack thereof of this instead of it devolving into nonsense like 240 is posting?
why are you intentionally skipping the fact that law enforcement obviously pushed for this? They're actually the strongest anti-gun voice in America and liberal they are not.
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why are you intentionally skipping the fact that law enforcement obviously pushed for this? They're actually the strongest anti-gun voice in America and liberal they are not.
"Law enforcment community" could not give a crap about the 2nd amendment. The Brady Campaign is as authoritarian as it gets.
Hugo - Im confused. You bitched about a DNA database yet are ok with an ammo database?
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"Law enforcment community" could not give a crap about the 2nd amendment. The Brady Campaign is as authoritarian as it gets.
Hugo - Im confused. You bitched about a DNA database yet are ok with an ammo database?
also was against a database for ppl who recieved abortions that didnt even take any identifying information but for this?
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also was against a database for ppl who recieved abortions that didnt even take any identifying information but for this?
This is why most (NOT ALL) liberals are a joke. They could not give a rats ass about freedom or privacy so long as it does not involve abortion. As soon as abortion is in the equation, they freak.
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I'm going to Mexico to buy my ammo
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I'm going to Mexico to buy my ammo
They are banning mail order sales as well.
Good job you nanny state freaks, drive more people out of business.
This is exactly how the govt drives unemployment higher than it should be. Yet, the left sees no correlation between their insane policies and the horrible job situation we have, and are going to have for the foreseeable future.
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This is exactly how the govt drives unemployment higher than it should be. Yet, the left sees no correlation between their insane policies and the horrible job situation we have, and are going to have for the foreseeable future.
Arnold has done more to limit gun rights than Obama has.
Man, that's gotta piss you off.
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Arnold has done more to limit gun rights than Obama has.
Man, that's gotta piss you off.
Not at all. I am not a liberal party hack and blow job queen like you are.
I dont give a damn about party like you do. You simply are focused on petty crap like a 90 y/o wash woman while i am looking at the details of the policy itself. You claim to be a libertarian but are nothing more than a cheerleading sycophantic liberal dolt who will excuse anything the govt does because you yourself are waiting for your piece of the pie from the gubbmint.
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Hugo - Im confused. You bitched about a DNA database yet are ok with an ammo database?
quote where I said that jackass? and yea, if you're just going to make up shit I didn't say then I'm going to flat out call you a jackass. Don't just make shit up and we'll be cool.
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come on hugo you were against the taking of basic info not even identifying info for those who have abortions done on them but you think this is a good idea?
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come on hugo you were against the taking of basic info not even identifying info for those who have abortions done on them but you think this is a good idea?
what the hell is wrong with you and 3333. You really can't read can you? Here, get this through your thick skull TONY. I'M NOT FOR AN AMMO DATABASE AND NOWHERE IN THIS THREAD DID I SAY ANYTHING OF THE SORT.
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what the hell is wrong with you and 3333. You really can't read can you? Here, get this through your thick skull TONY. I'M NOT FOR AN AMMO DATABASE AND NOWHERE IN THIS THREAD DID I SAY ANYTHING OF THE SORT.
hahahah ok just wanted to clear that up :D
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hahahah ok just wanted to clear that up :D
all you had to do was ask. I have no reason to hide it so you didn't need to trick it out of me...
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all you had to do was ask. I have no reason to hide it so you didn't need to trick it out of me...
i did that was my 2nd post about that
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i did that was my 2nd post about that
no you didn't. You did the same thing 3333 did and just assumed I was for it based on absolutely nothing.
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no you didn't. You did the same thing 3333 did and just assumed I was for it based on absolutely nothing.
oh now i did do that :D