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Title: Awaken Health & Fitness
Post by: Vince G, CSN MFT on October 15, 2009, 05:57:43 PM
Equipment was moved in tonight.  Pictures of the place will be available tommorrow after opening day.  Thought I might give you folks a sneak preview
Title: Re: Awaken Health & Fitness
Post by: Ursus on October 15, 2009, 05:58:36 PM
Are you opening a gym?

If so good luck!

What the DB's go up to what equitment etc?
Title: Re: Awaken Health & Fitness
Post by: The_Leafy_Bug on October 15, 2009, 05:58:49 PM
This is your place? It is a little small don't you think?
Title: Re: Awaken Health & Fitness
Post by: ManBearPig... on October 15, 2009, 06:00:56 PM
brutal Apple II designed gym sign.
Title: Re: Awaken Health & Fitness
Post by: uberman09 on October 15, 2009, 06:08:22 PM
bankrupt in 6  3 months.
Title: Re: Awaken Health & Fitness
Post by: Vince G, CSN MFT on October 15, 2009, 06:09:40 PM
This is you place? It is a little small don't you think?


No, I used to train at Skyland Health & Fitness but the owners were being shitty about fixing equipment.  The last straw was when the AC broke and the water was cut off in the building due to non-payment.  They fired the gym manager who was a friend of mine and tried to put everything on him for mismanagement which was a bunch of bullshit.


He decided to open up his own gym.No spas, saunas, juice bars, or crap like that.  Its basically a throwback to the classic gyms where it was all about pushing that iron.

He's got a lot of support including the folks from the city council and the police dept has already signed up their memberships.  I'm proud of the fact that he's doing things right and has put together a place where real lifters can go.  I've already cancelled my other membership and tommorrow I'll be walking in and training for my next show.  

Hardcore gyms are a dying breed folks.  
Title: Re: Awaken Health & Fitness
Post by: ThaRealist on October 15, 2009, 06:14:56 PM

No, I used to train at Skyland Health & Fitness but the owners were being shitty about fixing equipment.  The last straw was when the AC broke and the water was cut off in the building due to non-payment.  They fired the gym manager who was a friend of mine and tried to put everything on him for mismanagement which was a bunch of bullshit.


He decided to open up his own gym.No spas, saunas, juice bars, or crap like that.  Its basically a throwback to the classic gyms where it was all about pushing that iron.

He's got a lot of support including the folks from the city council and the police dept has already signed up their memberships.  I'm proud of the fact that he's doing things right and has put together a place where real lifters can go.  I've already cancelled my other membership and tommorrow I'll be walking in and training for my next show.  

Hardcore gyms are a dying breed folks.  

Unfortunately your right.  I ran fitness centers for a few years and the trend is towards general fitness and not hardcore training. Your hardcore training people in the gym account for about roughly 5-8% of your gym memberships=not enough to cater to.
Title: Re: Awaken Health & Fitness
Post by: dr.chimps on October 15, 2009, 06:18:07 PM
He decided to open up his own gym.No spas, saunas, juice bars, or crap like that.  Its basically a throwback to the classic gyms where it was all about pushing that iron.

He's got a lot of support including the folks from the city council and the police dept has already signed up their memberships.  I'm proud of the fact that he's doing things right and has put together a place where real lifters can go.  I've already cancelled my other membership and tommorrow I'll be walking in and training for my next show.  

Hardcore gyms are a dying breed folks.  
Nothing like poorly hung gyprock and sound tiles to drag the lazy from their torpor.  


*sigh* oh brother
Title: Re: Awaken Health & Fitness
Post by: 240 is Back on October 15, 2009, 06:20:47 PM
I used to train at a small, hardcore gym.  Actually I much prefer the higher-end commercial gym I go to now.  When the gym has ONE squat rack, and TWO flat benches, the chances of you getting the exercise you want at 6 pm on a thursday are pretty shitty.

In the commercial gym, the cardio machines are always packed and the bench presses are open 24/7. 
Title: Re: Awaken Health & Fitness
Post by: johnnynoname on October 15, 2009, 06:21:23 PM
I ran fitness centers for a few years

did you have to put a sign up in the sauna/steam room reminding guys if they got caught "doing things" their memberships would be revoked
Title: Re: Awaken Health & Fitness
Post by: ThaRealist on October 15, 2009, 06:25:47 PM
did you have to put a sign up in the sauna/steam room reminding guys if they got caught "doing things" their memberships would be revoked

Sorry, I never ran the tranny gym's for people that were encouraged to "do things" in the locker room like yourself.
Title: Re: Awaken Health & Fitness
Post by: johnnynoname on October 15, 2009, 06:27:50 PM
Sorry, I never ran the tranny gym's for people that were encouraged to "do things" in the locker room like yourself.

i only wish i worked at a tranny gym....

...seriously, do you know how much PT i would get in a week if i worked at a tranny gym
Title: Re: Awaken Health & Fitness
Post by: ThaRealist on October 15, 2009, 06:32:19 PM
i only wish i worked at a tranny gym....

...seriously, do you know how much PT i would get in a week if i worked at a tranny gym

God, why don't you go down to the keys where you can have all the tranny love you could want.
Title: Re: Awaken Health & Fitness
Post by: RJ DRIVER on October 15, 2009, 08:43:09 PM
Dude what the fuck kinda of hardcore gym looks like that?  "awakens health and fitness"  That place looks like a pilates center for pregnant women! Hardcore my ass!
Title: Re: Awaken Health & Fitness
Post by: noworries on October 15, 2009, 11:02:42 PM

No, I used to train at Skyland Health & Fitness but the owners were being shitty about fixing equipment.  The last straw was when the AC broke and the water was cut off in the building due to non-payment.  They fired the gym manager who was a friend of mine and tried to put everything on him for mismanagement which was a bunch of bullshit.


He decided to open up his own gym.No spas, saunas, juice bars, or crap like that.  Its basically a throwback to the classic gyms where it was all about pushing that iron.

He's got a lot of support including the folks from the city council and the police dept has already signed up their memberships.  I'm proud of the fact that he's doing things right and has put together a place where real lifters can go.  I've already cancelled my other membership and tommorrow I'll be walking in and training for my next show.  

Hardcore gyms are a dying breed folks.  

That place is far from hardcore.  Having no spa, saunas or juice bar doesn't make it hardcore.  That's the problem with guys like you, you have no idea what a hardcore gym is.  You weren't even born yet.  First off its the people who train there that make it hardcore.  Not providing some things and having dumbbells and barbells doesn't make it hardcore.  And more than likely the police are not paying for their memberships or they are discounted by at least 50%+.  How many sq ft is it.  By the way, having you train there automatically fucks up any potential of success. 
Title: Re: Awaken Health & Fitness
Post by: brooklynbruiser on October 16, 2009, 01:57:14 AM
Dude what the fuck kinda of hardcore gym looks like that?  "awakens health and fitness"  That place looks like a pilates center for pregnant women! Hardcore my ass!

ROTFFLMAO

That place is far from hardcore...By the way, having you train there automatically fucks up any potential of success. 

You are all killing me tonight! LMAO

Title: Re: Awaken Health & Fitness
Post by: TommyBoy on October 16, 2009, 06:11:28 AM
Hardcore gyms are a dying breed folks.  

...but it has a working AC? :P Good stuff though. If it really is a "back to the roots" setup than good on you guys for getting it going. On a personal note, don't freeze the place out. 
Title: Re: Awaken Health & Fitness
Post by: lax on October 16, 2009, 06:13:26 AM

No, I used to train at Skyland Health & Fitness but the owners were being shitty about fixing equipment.  The last straw was when the AC broke and the water was cut off in the building due to non-payment.  They fired the gym manager who was a friend of mine and tried to put everything on him for mismanagement which was a bunch of bullshit.


He decided to open up his own gym.No spas, saunas, juice bars, or crap like that.  Its basically a throwback to the classic gyms where it was all about pushing that iron.

He's got a lot of support including the folks from the city council and the police dept has already signed up their memberships.  I'm proud of the fact that he's doing things right and has put together a place where real lifters can go.  I've already cancelled my other membership and tommorrow I'll be walking in and training for my next show.  

Hardcore gyms are a dying breed folks.  

sorry Vince
but 'real lifters'=no money
Title: Re: Awaken Health & Fitness
Post by: lax on October 16, 2009, 06:15:01 AM
Dude what the fuck kinda of hardcore gym looks like that?  "awakens health and fitness"  That place looks like a pilates center for pregnant women! Hardcore my ass!

it is the kind of name that means people will 'wake up, smell the coffee, and get the fuck outta there!
Title: Re: Awaken Health & Fitness
Post by: The Showstoppa on October 16, 2009, 06:15:21 AM
Vince, where is this place located? 
Title: Re: Awaken Health & Fitness
Post by: Vince G, CSN MFT on October 16, 2009, 06:18:07 AM
That place is far from hardcore.  Having no spa, saunas or juice bar doesn't make it hardcore.  That's the problem with guys like you, you have no idea what a hardcore gym is.  You weren't even born yet.  First off its the people who train there that make it hardcore.  Not providing some things and having dumbbells and barbells doesn't make it hardcore.  And more than likely the police are not paying for their memberships or they are discounted by at least 50%+.  How many sq ft is it.  By the way, having you train there automatically fucks up any potential of success. 

Unlike your gym, this one is actually open and running now.  You can't talk shit about someone's gym when you can't even open up your own..... ;D
Title: Re: Awaken Health & Fitness
Post by: The Wizard of Truth on October 16, 2009, 06:38:18 AM
Vince how come they wouldnt allow you inside?
I mean all the photos are taken from outside of it
Title: Re: Awaken Health & Fitness
Post by: noworries on October 16, 2009, 09:24:06 AM
Unlike your gym, this one is actually open and running now.  You can't talk shit about someone's gym when you can't even open up your own..... ;D

I've owned two gyms both of them were sold and not closed down.  I can't consider opening a gym that size actually opening a gym.  He won't make his overhead in 3 months.  With a complete glass front the cold alone will force him to use his heater so much the bills will kill him.  He can't have more than a few hundred members max.  My gym in Kona got more members than that a day in it.   See Goodrum you have a very small mind so it doesn't take much to impress you.  And where is your gym you said you were opening with some investors.  You are so full of shit.  NO ONE would ever ever invest in you.  You have nothing to support anything you do.  I bet if you went to try and get a grant or loan and you use the "black card" they would tell you didn't qualify as a black.  Your ignorance (or his) is amazing.  You say he isn't having a juice bar or sell supplements or a spa.  These things make a gym money.  You think not having these make the gym hardcore.  You are a fucking moron
Title: Re: Awaken Health & Fitness
Post by: johnnynoname on October 16, 2009, 09:26:17 AM
Vince how come they wouldnt allow you inside?
I mean all the photos are taken from outside of it

he got kicked out of the gym cuz he wore a brown shirt and the front desk attendent warned him about working out without a shirt
Title: Re: Awaken Health & Fitness
Post by: The Wizard of Truth on October 16, 2009, 09:29:06 AM
Vince its just someones house with a few exercise bikes in it now isnt it?
You owe us the truth
Title: Re: Awaken Health & Fitness
Post by: noworries on October 16, 2009, 09:39:13 AM
I take back that window statement.  After looking at the front it isn't as bad as I thought.  But, regardless if Goodrum has anything to do with this gym or if the owner lets him train there it is destined for failure.  Can you imagine walking into this "hardcore" gym and having Goodrum walk up to you and say he is a personal trainer, in that slow moronic voice he has coupled with that skinny fat body and dumb look on his face.  People are going to think they are on Candid Camera or something.
Title: Re: Awaken Health & Fitness
Post by: Tombo on October 16, 2009, 11:20:45 AM
wow man so excited that this gym is opening up!!

why do we care again?
Title: Re: Awaken Health & Fitness
Post by: Vince G, CSN MFT on October 16, 2009, 11:31:40 AM
I take back that window statement.  After looking at the front it isn't as bad as I thought.  But, regardless if Goodrum has anything to do with this gym or if the owner lets him train there it is destined for failure.  Can you imagine walking into this "hardcore" gym and having Goodrum walk up to you and say he is a personal trainer, in that slow moronic voice he has coupled with that skinny fat body and dumb look on his face.  People are going to think they are on Candid Camera or something.


I'm not a personal trainer there and I'm only there in the capacity of a member.  My clients are not near the area where its open at.  However, I was wrong about the gym opening tommorrow and it will officially open in 3 weeks as more equipment is being brought in so I won't be taking any pictures until the website and gym is all set.  However, I did get an early opt-in and worked out there today.  He's got the full compliment of Startrac machines and cardio and the freeweights, bench stations, and powerlifting sections are York Barbell.  The Startrac equipment is multi-purpose to save space and the main area is the free-weight section like it should be in the first place.    

Its simple, its functional, and he did it right way and his way.  He's already got plenty of members all signed up, his equipment is covered, and since he has no franchise fees to put up with, he's in the right position to make a decent buck.  

Thats all I gotta say, gotta respect someone who's put together a no BS gym where you train to get in shape, not to goof off. 

 
Title: Re: Awaken Health & Fitness
Post by: johnnynoname on October 16, 2009, 11:36:20 AM
vince,
you are what is called a "Gym nerd" which is akin to a gym rat except gym rats tend to work out alittle

you walk around and give unsolicited advice to people all the while the actual gym staff know that you are a huge tool and talk about how much of a tool you are behind your back.

EVERY GYM has one

I know this cuz since my legit job is working as a certified personal trainer (certified under the American College of Sports Medicine- not some "institution" that advertises in the back of Muscle and Fitness and Flex) and i've been profiling your type for several years at the gyms i've worked at/worked out at

please, stop annoying other members or , at least, keep it to the elderly ones who are happy that someone at least talks to them
Title: Re: Awaken Health & Fitness
Post by: Vince G, CSN MFT on October 16, 2009, 12:54:50 PM
vince,
you are what is called a "Gym nerd" which is akin to a gym rat except gym rats tend to work out alittle

you walk around and give unsolicited advice to people all the while the actual gym staff know that you are a huge tool and talk about how much of a tool you are behind your back.

EVERY GYM has one

I know this cuz since my legit job is working as a certified personal trainer (certified under the American College of Sports Medicine- not some "institution" that advertises in the back of Muscle and Fitness and Flex) and i've been profiling your type for several years at the gyms i've worked at/worked out at

please, stop annoying other members or , at least, keep it to the elderly ones who are happy that someone at least talks to them


Sorry I don't think Stonebridge College or Ashworth University is in the back of any magazine.  I'm happy with my Fitness Diploma that's actually RECOGNIZED by the US Dept of Education rather than the ACSM which is although its one of the most rigorous course you can take, its still has the same standing as an ACE, ISSA, or American Muscle & Fitness Institute PT certification.

Even ignoring that, it doesn't matter what you have on a sheepskin but what you do with it and I've made a good living in personal training and fitness.

Congratulations on your ACSM certification but seriously its not like you went to a real college to get it bro.   


P.S.  I wear a headset and use an IPOD along with a busy schedule, don't have much time to talk to people
Title: Re: Awaken Health & Fitness
Post by: The Showstoppa on October 16, 2009, 01:13:11 PM
Again, where is the gym located?
Title: Re: Awaken Health & Fitness
Post by: johnnynoname on October 16, 2009, 01:37:54 PM

Sorry I don't think Stonebridge College or Ashworth University is in the back of any magazine.  I'm happy with my Fitness Diploma that's actually RECOGNIZED by the US Dept of Education rather than the ACSM which is although its one of the most rigorous course you can take, its still has the same standing as an ACE, ISSA, or American Muscle & Fitness Institute PT certification.

Even ignoring that, it doesn't matter what you have on a sheepskin but what you do with it and I've made a good living in personal training and fitness.

Congratulations on your ACSM certification but seriously its not like you went to a real college to get it bro.   


P.S.  I wear a headset and use an IPOD along with a busy schedule, don't have much time to talk to people

you are still a gym nerd who annoys people

stop flirting with the girl at the front desk- she is only patronizing you
Title: Re: Awaken Health & Fitness
Post by: Mr Nobody on October 16, 2009, 02:32:03 PM
Thats where Billy Guns works out
Title: Re: Awaken Health & Fitness
Post by: flex1 on October 16, 2009, 02:55:41 PM
i truly believe hardcore will make a big comeback in this economy. you all are welcomed to check out my gym "flex gym" in wisconsin anytime. we run on a pretty cool atmosphere. everyone talks to each other not alot of ipods  and no cliques(?). just train!
Title: Re: Awaken Health & Fitness
Post by: CAPTAIN INSANO on October 16, 2009, 02:57:01 PM
Hahahah that gym looks like shit. What "hardcore lifter" would want to workout at a "Awaken Fitness"  ::) You must be marketing it to post menopausal overweight women, who have no desire to look good and look like shitl, like yourself.
Title: Re: Awaken Health & Fitness
Post by: noworries on October 16, 2009, 03:00:02 PM

Sorry I don't think Stonebridge College or Ashworth University is in the back of any magazine.  I'm happy with my Fitness Diploma that's actually RECOGNIZED by the US Dept of Education rather than the ACSM which is although its one of the most rigorous course you can take, its still has the same standing as an ACE, ISSA, or American Muscle & Fitness Institute PT certification.

Even ignoring that, it doesn't matter what you have on a sheepskin but what you do with it and I've made a good living in personal training and fitness.

Congratulations on your ACSM certification but seriously its not like you went to a real college to get it bro.   


P.S.  I wear a headset and use an IPOD along with a busy schedule, don't have much time to talk to people

Time the Fuck Out.  Are you telling me you didn't go to a REAL college but an ONLINE COLLEGE.  Holy fucking shit!!!!!!!!!  I bet you anything people must laugh their fucking asses off when you push those credentials on them.  No way do you actually tell people about those unreal credentials you have.  Goodrum I swear to god you have to be some escaped mental patient from somewhere.  No way in the world can you be someone's kid and allowed out in the real world.  Those so-called credentials you have would not be accepted at any major gym chain.  Do you even research anything you do.  I swear you would be very dangerous to be in business with.  I may be fat (not as fat now) but I know how to do my due diligence.  I may not have opend my gym but that is because we were smart.  If we opened we would have flushed $5+ million down the drain.  At least we barely spent $50,000.
Title: Re: Awaken Health & Fitness
Post by: noworries on October 16, 2009, 03:08:45 PM
i truly believe hardcore will make a big comeback in this economy. you all are welcomed to check out my gym "flex gym" in wisconsin anytime. we run on a pretty cool atmosphere. everyone talks to each other not alot of ipods  and no cliques(?). just train!

Hardcore gyms can make it if they provide ancillary profit centers too.  With rent, high energy costs, insurance, workmen's comp, equipment lease payments, maintenance, salaries, security, and other costs a gym can be very costly.  It is almost impossible to survive solely on membership dues.  I grew up in hardcore gyms but back in the 70s and 80's things were alot simplier.  The memberships were kept on 3 x 5 card in a shoe box.  Nowadays there is just so many costs that aren't anticipated.  My big gym I was working on had everything in place. I had a dream team from management that were the best in the industry proven by their past successes.  My financial adviser worked for one of the biggest Hedge Fund companies in the world.  We were going 100% solar to save on energy costs.  That alone cost $375,000 before all the rebates and credits.  I spent a year and a half putting it all together. It's to bad it didn't go but it was out of my hands.  The economy hit shit and everyone said it wasn't time.  Oh well gotta move on
Title: Re: Awaken Health & Fitness
Post by: Vince G, CSN MFT on October 16, 2009, 03:14:51 PM
Time the Fuck Out.  Are you telling me you didn't go to a REAL college but an ONLINE COLLEGE.  Holy fucking shit!!!!!!!!!  I bet you anything people must laugh their fucking asses off when you push those credentials on them.  No way do you actually tell people about those unreal credentials you have.  Goodrum I swear to god you have to be some escaped mental patient from somewhere.  No way in the world can you be someone's kid and allowed out in the real world.  Those so-called credentials you have would not be accepted at any major gym chain.  Do you even research anything you do.  I swear you would be very dangerous to be in business with.  I may be fat (not as fat now) but I know how to do my due diligence.  I may not have opend my gym but that is because we were smart.  If we opened we would have flushed $5+ million down the drain.  At least we barely spent $50,000.


So what, as long as its approved by the D.O.E., its the same as if I walked into campus and listened to some professor.  While I do feel that credentials are important, I don't think its worth staying on campus and going to classes as I did when I was studying Engineering.  

Its a personal trainer cert, not a Bachelors or Master's Degree.  And I've never had a problem with any gym accepting my credentials but then again I don't work for major chains anymore.  I run an independent training business because I would like to make money for myself, not for the gym owner who's too lazy to sell memberships.. ::)
Title: Re: Awaken Health & Fitness
Post by: Vince B on October 16, 2009, 04:16:12 PM
What happened to your PhD in metaphysics? That impressed everyone on Getbig. Don't be modest, Melvin, not everyone has an IQ of 131 and has a PhD.  
Title: Re: Awaken Health & Fitness
Post by: ThaRealist on October 16, 2009, 05:21:11 PM
What happened to your PhD in metaphysics? That impressed everyone on Getbig. Don't be modest, Melvin, not everyone has an IQ of 131 and has a PhD.  

Who the hell dug you out of the grave? Or did your national health care start paying for your GB addiction?
Title: Re: Awaken Health & Fitness
Post by: Luv2Hurt on October 17, 2009, 06:13:43 AM
it is the kind of name that means people will 'wake up, smell the coffee, and get the fuck outta there!

LOL yes destined to fail
Title: Re: Awaken Health & Fitness
Post by: The Showstoppa on October 17, 2009, 06:19:21 AM
Where is this gym located?
Title: Re: Awaken Health & Fitness
Post by: The Wizard of Truth on October 17, 2009, 06:30:09 AM
Time the Fuck Out.  Are you telling me you didn't go to a REAL college but an ONLINE COLLEGE.  Holy fucking shit!!!!!!!!!  I bet you anything people must laugh their fucking asses off when you push those credentials on them.  No way do you actually tell people about those unreal credentials you have.  Goodrum I swear to god you have to be some escaped mental patient from somewhere.  No way in the world can you be someone's kid and allowed out in the real world.  Those so-called credentials you have would not be accepted at any major gym chain.  Do you even research anything you do.  I swear you would be very dangerous to be in business with.  I may be fat (not as fat now) but I know how to do my due diligence.  I may not have opend my gym but that is because we were smart.  If we opened we would have flushed $5+ million down the drain.  At least we barely spent $50,000.
Funniest but truest thing i've ever read on getbig
Title: Re: Awaken Health & Fitness
Post by: Krankenstein on October 17, 2009, 07:15:46 AM
you are still a gym nerd who annoys people

stop flirting with the girl at the front desk- she hispanic towel boy - he is only patronizing you

Fixed
Title: Re: Awaken Health & Fitness
Post by: Ursus on October 17, 2009, 12:05:00 PM
Vince you missed my question.

What do DB's go up to etc?
Title: Re: Awaken Health & Fitness
Post by: noworries on October 17, 2009, 05:02:26 PM
Vince you missed my question.

What do DB's go up to etc?

He probably thought you were calling him a dumbbell s he ignored you
Title: Re: Awaken Health & Fitness
Post by: jwb on October 17, 2009, 05:07:23 PM
hey vince is it a 24/7 keytag access gym? that is the way to go in smaller gyms its a good selling point...
Title: Re: Awaken Health & Fitness
Post by: Vince G, CSN MFT on October 17, 2009, 05:10:33 PM
Vince you missed my question.

What do DB's go up to etc?


Right now, only 100.  The gym doesn't open for another 2 weeks as he's getting the rest of his equipment in.
Title: Re: Awaken Health & Fitness
Post by: uberman09 on October 17, 2009, 05:12:02 PM
i fail to see the point of this stupid thread.
Title: Re: Awaken Health & Fitness
Post by: The Showstoppa on October 17, 2009, 06:24:21 PM
Where is the gym located?
Title: Re: Awaken Health & Fitness
Post by: Quickerblade on October 17, 2009, 07:45:11 PM
I wish them well, I dont wish bankruptcy on anyone but i do feel this gym will be bog down with bills and unfortunately have to fold up..
Title: Re: Awaken Health & Fitness
Post by: Ursus on October 17, 2009, 07:51:35 PM
100's are plenty for most people.

Genuine good luck!
Title: Re: Awaken Health & Fitness
Post by: chaos on October 17, 2009, 08:06:27 PM
Vince, where is this place located? 
Again, where is the gym located?
Where is this gym located?
Where is the gym located?

LMFAO! ;D
Title: Re: Awaken Health & Fitness
Post by: Mr Nobody on October 18, 2009, 12:16:03 AM
Where is the gym located?
Seems Vince wants this to be kept secret maybe because someone may show up from Getbig to see how many reps he can do with the dumbells? A good quote "If you dont have Guns dont get on stage"  ;D