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Soros admitted helped in the confiscation of Jewish properties
60 Minutes ^ | October 17, 2009 | unknown
Posted on Saturday, October 17, 2009 2:40:13 PM by lqcincinnatus
On Dec. 20, 1998, in the midst of his murderous speculative rampage against the currencies of Malaysia, Indonesia, South Korea, and other targeted Asian nations, George Soros appeared on CBS-TV’s “60 Minutes,” to explain and defend his behavior. Confronted by interviewer Steve Kroft about his experiences as a youth in Hungary, under the Nazi occupation, Soros freely admitted that he posed as the “adopted godson” of an official of the Nazi-occupation government, and helped in the confiscation of Jewish properties.
“Kroft: And you watched lots of people get shipped off to the death camps.
“Soros: Right. I was 14 years old. And I would say that that’s when my character was made.
“Kroft: In what way?
“Soros: That one should think ahead. One should understand and anticipate events and when one is threatened. It was a tremendous threat of evil. I mean, it was a very personal experience of evil.
“Kroft: My understanding is that you went out with this protector of yours who swore that you were his adopted godson.
“Soros: Yes. Yes.
“Kroft: Went out, in fact, and helped in the confiscation of property from the Jews.
“Soros: Yes. That’s right. Yes.
“Kroft: I mean that’s–that sounds like an experience that would send lots of people to the psychiatric couch for many, many years. Was it difficult?
“Soros: Not–not at all. Not at all. Maybe as a child you don’t–you don’t see the connection. But it was–it created no–no problem at all.
“Kroft: No feeling of guilt?
“Soros: No.
“Kroft: For example that, `I’m Jewish and here I am, watching these people go. I could just as easily be there. I should be there.’ None of that?
“Soros: Well, of course I could be on the other side, or I could be the one from whom the thing is being taken away. But there was no sense that I shouldn’t be there, because that was–well, actually, in a funny way, it’s just like in markets–that if I weren’t there–of course, I wasn’t doing it, but somebody else would–would–would be taking it away anyhow. And it was the–whether I was there or not, I was only a spectator, the property was being taken away. I had no role in taking away the property. So I had no sense of guilt.”
In an earlier television interview on the same subject, Soros was even more blunt about his role as a Nazi collaborator in the Holocaust. On April 15, 1993, Soros appeared on WNET-TV and declared, “When the Germans came in,” his father explained to him that, “This is a lawless occupation. The normal rules don’t apply. You have to forget how you behave in a normal society. This is an abnormal situation. And he [Soros's father] arranged for all of us to have false papers, everybody had a different arrangement. I was adopted by an official of the ministry of agriculture, whose job was to take over Jewish properties, so I actually went with him and we took possession of these large estates. That was my identity. So it’s a strange, very strange life. I was 14 at the time.”
In point of fact, Soros’s adopted “godfather” served under Nazi Waffen SS Gen. Kurt Becher, who ran what was euphemistically called the Economic Department of the SS Command, which oversaw the extermination of 500,000 Hungarian Jews. In his famous book {Perfidy}, an indictment of the Jews who colluded with the Nazis in order to survive, Ben Hecht described Becher’s Economic Department, in more graphic terms than did Soros. The Department was in charge of looting the properties of Hungarian Jews, in “removing the gold fillings from the millions of teeth of the dead Jews; in cutting off the hair of millions of Jewesses before killing them, and shipping bales of hair to Germany’s mattress factories; in converting the fat of dead Jews into bath soap, and in figuring out effective methods of torture to induce the Jews awaiting death to reveal where they had hidden their last possessions.”
A psychiatrist might diagnose someone who went through such an experience, yet felt no remorse, no guilt, and actually boasted that it shaped his strategies as a ruthless, and very successful speculator, as a sociopath. Such clinical diagnosis aside, the simple fact is: Soros has devoted his entire adult life to the looting of the powerless, on behalf of the British financier oligarchy that sponsored his post-war career as one of the first of their offshore hedge-fund speculators. He asserts that morality has no place in the market, and that, if he had a conscience, he could never have succeeded in amassing his billions.
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As a matter of policy, Soros’s Quantum Fund has never accepted money from any American investors–in order to stay outside the reach of U.S. government investigation. He operates in such locales as the Dutch Antilles and Switzerland, yet much of his ill-gotten gains have been devoted to what some of his colleagues jokingly refer to as the “hostile takeover” of America.
Throughout the 1980s and 1990s, Soros poured tens of millions of dollars into the campaign to legalize drugs–marijuana, heroin, and even crack cocaine. Soros refers to this as the “open society,” a lawless domain in which the only dictum is “harm reduction.” Soros’s dope legalization policies follow the model of the British East India Company, which waged two Opium Wars against China, during the 19th Century, to impose drug addiction on the population–for British profit and social control.
Soros’s latest hostile takeover target is the Democratic Party, and over the past eight years, Soros and a gang of fellow billionaires have come pretty close to achieving their goal. Starting soon after George W. Bush’s inauguration as President in early 2001, Soros poured a reported $18 million into passage of the McCain-Feingold campaign finance law (Soros has continued to be a major donor to McCain’s Reform Institute), which placed a cap on “soft money” donations to the political parties, but left open a loophole, allowing nominally independent groups, referred to as “527s,” to take unlimited donations. Soros began buying up the first generation of 527s, including outfits like MoveOn, ACT (America Coming Together), and Media Matters. Soros also played a pivotal role in the 2004 candidacy of Howard Dean, who bombed as a Presidential candidate, but was rewarded for his access to Soros loot with the chairmanship of the Democratic National Committee, after John Kerry’s loss to George Bush in November 2004.
From that perch, Howard Dean waged a ruthless campaign against candidate Hillary Rodham Clinton in the 2008 primary elections–in tandem with Soros’s Democracy Alliance, a secretive billionaires club, that pooled its money to take over and run a “vast left-wing conspiracy” of 527s, PACs, and think tanks, that has replaced any Democratic Party constituency organization.
In the meantime, Soros found his legion of honest Bush-haters, in groups like MoveOn and ACT, to be useful tools in his further grimy speculative binges. Following the Kerry defeat, MoveOn, the Center for American Progress, and other progressive groups on the Soros dole, targeted Vice President Dick Cheney and Halliburton, the giant oil and defense contractor that was profitting mightily off Bush and Cheney’s Iraq imperial misadventure.
The barrage of attacks on Halliburton drove the company stock down, from a peak of $40 down to $26–at which point Soros began buying up Halliburton shares. Between the third quarter of 2005, and the fourth quarter of 2006, Soros bought 2 million shares of Halliburton, at an average price of just over $31. As the media attacks on Halliburton–in part, driven by Soros’s anti-Bush/Cheney and anti-war zeal–died down by late 2006, Halliburton shares quickly rebounded. By early 2008, with Halliburton shares nearing $50, Soros had made an estimated $40 million in clear profit, making him one of the larger Bush-Cheney war profiteers.
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So Rush cant buy a football team, but this asshole can?
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So Rush cant buy a football team, but this asshole can?
Yeah, thats how it works. It's morality based on business. Works both ways on every street.
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If all Rush is being accused of doing happened when he was 14 and being held against him today, I'd say bullshit let him do whatever. Rush is a wannabe nazi as an adult. Sorors was a stupid fucking kid. 333 is still a.... oh nevermind.
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If all Rush is being accused of doing happened when he was 14 and being held against him today, I'd say bullshit let him do whatever. Rush is a wannabe nazi as an adult. Sorors was a stupid fucking kid. 333 is still a.... oh nevermind.
So Hugo - you have no problem with Soros whoring the anti-war movement while at the same time privately enriching himself with Halliburton stock?
How about what this scumbag did to the British pound?
Also hugo - I'm sorry, if that were me, the types of things he did would probably haunt me for the rest of my life.
But thanks for the usual love Hugo.
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How was Soros a stupid kid!??!
He didn't hold up a liqour store or get coked up or get in a fight. As a jew, he pretended to be a Nazi and confescated property from fellow jews as they were shipped out to be exterminated.
Hugo I usually dont agree with you, but I respect your opinion. Not in this case. Comparing Rush to this piece of shit is totally absurd.
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How was Soros a stupid kid!??!
He didn't hold up a liqour store or get coked up or get in a fight. As a jew, he pretended to be a Nazi and confescated property from fellow jews as they were shipped out to be exterminated.
Hugo I usually dont agree with you, but I respect your opinion. Not in this case. Comparing Rush to this piece of shit is totally absurd.
GW - if it were me, those types of things would haunt me daily thinking that i betrayed my own people and plundered their belongings.
Soros is a POS of the highest order and i hope all the anti-war types realize that he used them to profit off the war and halliburton.
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Only in America ::)
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Now if Rush was an avowed Mao disciple and Stalin lover like some of Obama's appointees, there wouldn't be any problem....but God forbid nowadays, you get on the Sharpton/Jackson blacklist...Welcome to ObamAmerica.
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maybe it's just me but I've always thought it was stupid to hunt down some 17 year old nazi gate guard or whatever, especially after we brought nazis that probably did much morse over here to help us, but they're going to hunt down somebody who had little to do with anything and was just serving? I really don't give a rats ass about Soros. All these fuckers could drop dead for all I care. If you guys want to say he shouldn't own a team over this, fine, you can say that. For me its not reason to let Rush off the hook.
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plus you guys sure didn't give a shit about the Bush family collaboration with the Nazis.
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plus you guys sure didn't give a shit about the Bush family collaboration with the Nazis.
I'm calling bullshit dude.
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maybe it's just me but I've always thought it was stupid to hunt down some 17 year old nazi gate guard or whatever, especially after we brought nazis that probably did much morse over here to help us, but they're going to hunt down somebody who had little to do with anything and was just serving? I really don't give a rats ass about Soros. All these fuckers could drop dead for all I care. If you guys want to say he shouldn't own a team over this, fine, you can say that. For me its not reason to let Rush off the hook.
plus you guys sure didn't give a shit about the Bush family collaboration with the Nazis.
Yes
From what I've read Prescott actually played a fairly large role.
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From what I've read Prescott actually played a fairly large role.
who?? what? ???
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Hugo wtf does that ( which I highly doubt is true anyway) have to do with Rush getting black listed from NFL ownership while George the human trashcan Soros gets a free pass?
You fuckin libs are obssessed with GW Bush... Its really a psychotic disorder-- you can't go 5 seconds without trying to blame Bush for something, even when it is totally irrelevant to the discussion.
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Hugo wtf does that ( which I highly doubt is true anyway) have to do with Rush getting black listed from NFL ownership while George the human trashcan Soros gets a free pass?
You fuckin libs are obssessed with GW Bush... Its really a psychotic disorder-- you can't go 5 seconds without trying to blame Bush for something, even when it is totally irrelevant to the discussion.
just background of why I said what I said. Nothing wrong with that. I'm not blaming Bush for anything here. Just pointing out the character of the rightwing in using it when it suits them and ignoring it when it doesn't. And again, if you want to oppose Soros over this, have at it. I really don't have any inclination to defend Sorors and I really can't fathom using what Soros did as a boy to defend what Rush does as an adult. They're two completely different issues. But if you want to oppose Soros, good for you. I'll oppose Rush... one man's issues isn't an excuse for another imo.
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who?? what? ???
lol ;D wait, you're joking right?
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The point is that the left attacks a controversial right wingers percieved character while conviently ignoring a left wing ideologue in their midst collaborated with the nazi's.
Thats all. One was prevented from NFL ownership, while the other was not. It's basic liberal hypocricy.
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lol ;D wait, you're joking right?
:)
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240 wrote the book on teh Bush's
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:)
had me going there for a minute. :)
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in all fairness, antisemitism was the style of the time
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The point is that the left attacks a controversial right wingers percieved character while conviently ignoring a left wing ideologue in their midst collaborated with the nazi's.
Thats all. One was prevented from NFL ownership, while the other was not. It's basic liberal hypocricy.
actually that's epic horseshit. sorry. I didn't know about soros doing this until this article. The real question is why didn't the right make a big deal about it when he went to go buy a team? I mean you freaking have Fox News, the biggest media outlet and obviously right leaning? Again, if you don't think Soros should own a team because of this, fine. you're free to say so. But I didn't know about this and I'm sure many didn't when Soros bought into a team. Hell, I didn't even know he owned a team... It's not hypocrisy if people didn't know. I also think the two issues are so different that it's not hypocrisy.
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Dude wtf are you babbling about-- Nobody made a big deal out of it because the only people who would care about this shit are left wing needle dicks like Jackson and Sharpton. The rest of us-- and I would venture to say Fox News couldn't care less. The right wing isn't going to mobilize to prevent a billionare from purchasing an interest in an NFL franchise. The left wing only mobilizes against others that differ from their whacked out ideology, so naturally nobody batted an eye. Soros funds thedailykos-- do you really think Sharpton and Jackson are going to burn their bridges with him?
The libs made all of this stuff an issue, while ignoring someone in their midst who is 1 million times worse than Limbaugh. That is the definition of hypocrisy.
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you lost me in the first line since it's so obvious the right does give more than a shit soros. if I had a dime for every rightwing smear/attack against that guy, many less controversial than this!... again and again, you're free to oppose soros, but it has nothing to do with me opposing Rush. not sure what you don't get about that... it's simple... and it doesn't make me a hypocrite ;)
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Hmmmm.....
child who lived through a nightmare
seems to shed some light on why he's such a successful trader
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So Rush cant buy a football team, but this asshole can?
contrary to what you may think, soros is not becoming an owner in any way shap or form
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contrary to what you may think, soros is not becoming an owner in any way shap or form
you mean all this was bullshit? figures...
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bunch of jerk offs.
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LOL, epic, HANNITY brings in ANN COULTER to comment? wait... wait... here it comes... BWHAHAHAHhahahahahahahah ahahhahahahahhaha ;D
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Report: George Soros part of Checketts group, too
Posted by Mike Florio on October 15, 2009 11:38 AM ET
Maybe Dave Checketts really doesn't want to buy the St. Louis Rams.
Why else would he have included both Rush Limbaugh and, reportedly, George Soros in the group cobbling together the money to make the purchase?
If, after all, Limbaugh is not eligible to become part owner of a team due to polarizing and divisive comments, Soros' comparison of the Bush administration to the Nazi regime arguably merits that same outcome.
But, per Bloomberg.com, Soros is part of the Checketts group, too.
Bottom line? Checketts should have done more homework before piecing together his investment group. All he needed to do was call the league office or maybe a few owners to get a feel for whether this kind of thing would fly.
With Limbaugh now out, it's likely only a matter of time before Soros will have to go as well. Even if the reaction to Soros' involvement isn't as sharp and immediate, it only takes nine of 32 "no" votes from the full league ownership to kill the deal -- and there probably are at least nine Republican owners who believe that, if Limbaugh isn't fit to own part of a team, Soros isn't, either.
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Soros was a child living in a country occuppied by Nazi's. There's simply no comparison to that situation vs. an adult with a radio show who's made multiple rascist comments throughout the years. Add the obvious factor that Rush has a radio show and has the potential to say shit on any given day that would embarress the league and other owners and it makes perfect sense that he's out.
Soros's comments that he felt no remorse or guilt are understandable if you actually read what he's saying. This guy is one of the best traders in the world. He's made billions in part by not letting his emotions get the best of him.
“Soros: Well, of course I could be on the other side, or I could be the one from whom the thing is being taken away. But there was no sense that I shouldn’t be there, because that was–well, actually, in a funny way, it’s just like in markets–that if I weren’t there–of course, I wasn’t doing it, but somebody else would–would–would be taking it away anyhow. And it was the–whether I was there or not, I was only a spectator, the property was being taken away. I had no role in taking away the property. So I had no sense of guilt.”
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Soros was a child living in a country occuppied by Nazi's. There's simply no comparison to that situation vs. an adult with a radio show who's made multiple rascist comments throughout the years. Add the obvious factor that Rush has a radio show and has the potential to say shit on any given day that would embarress the league and other owners and it makes perfect sense that he's out.
Soros's comments that he felt no remorse or guilt are understandable if you actually read what he's saying. This guy is one of the best traders in the world. He's made billions in part by not letting his emotions get the best of him.
“Soros: Well, of course I could be on the other side, or I could be the one from whom the thing is being taken away. But there was no sense that I shouldn’t be there, because that was–well, actually, in a funny way, it’s just like in markets–that if I weren’t there–of course, I wasn’t doing it, but somebody else would–would–would be taking it away anyhow. And it was the–whether I was there or not, I was only a spectator, the property was being taken away. I had no role in taking away the property. So I had no sense of guilt.”
Straw - did you read about how he was attacking haliburton via the anti war movement while investing in it at the same time to make $$$$. Come on now, that is truly disgusting.
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Straw - did you read about how he was attacking haliburton via the anti war movement while investing in it at the same time to make $$$$. Come on now, that is truly disgusting.
yep, that's stone cold hypocrisy but not illegal (though I'm not defending it)
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Report: George Soros part of Checketts group, too
Posted by Mike Florio on October 15, 2009 11:38 AM ET
Maybe Dave Checketts really doesn't want to buy the St. Louis Rams.
Why else would he have included both Rush Limbaugh and, reportedly, George Soros in the group cobbling together the money to make the purchase?
If, after all, Limbaugh is not eligible to become part owner of a team due to polarizing and divisive comments, Soros' comparison of the Bush administration to the Nazi regime arguably merits that same outcome.
But, per Bloomberg.com, Soros is part of the Checketts group, too.
Bottom line? Checketts should have done more homework before piecing together his investment group. All he needed to do was call the league office or maybe a few owners to get a feel for whether this kind of thing would fly.
With Limbaugh now out, it's likely only a matter of time before Soros will have to go as well. Even if the reaction to Soros' involvement isn't as sharp and immediate, it only takes nine of 32 "no" votes from the full league ownership to kill the deal -- and there probably are at least nine Republican owners who believe that, if Limbaugh isn't fit to own part of a team, Soros isn't, either.
George Soros Reportedly Not Part Of Checketts' Rams Bid Group
Sources Say Soros Not Part Of Bid Group For Rams Billionaire investor George Soros is not part of Blues and Real Salt Lake Owner David Checketts’ bid to buy the Rams, sources with knowledge of the situation said. News reports emerged yesterday suggesting that…
http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=sbd.preview&articleID=134141 (http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=sbd.preview&articleID=134141)
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Is this really a surprise?
Everyone knew political correctness would be used as a sword, not a shield.
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Straw - did you read about how he was attacking haliburton via the anti war movement while investing in it at the same time to make $$$$. Come on now, that is truly disgusting.
What's the problem with that? He's a businessman. He can voice his viewpoint and make money at the same time. It's not like his anti-war stance was stopping Haliburton from getting any contracts.
Regardless, Rush should have been allowed to buy into the team, and so should Soros.
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you lost me in the first line since it's so obvious the right does give more than a shit soros. if I had a dime for every rightwing smear/attack against that guy, many less controversial than this!... again and again, you're free to oppose soros, but it has nothing to do with me opposing Rush. not sure what you don't get about that... it's simple... and it doesn't make me a hypocrite ;)
Hugo I wasn't calling you a hypocrite-- I was calling Jackson and Sharpton hypocrites--- :-*
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What's the problem with that? He's a businessman. He can voice his viewpoint and make money at the same time. It's not like his anti-war stance was stopping Haliburton from getting any contracts.
Regardless, Rush should have been allowed to buy into the team, and so should Soros.
exactly - he's first and foremost a trader and he probably saw an undervalued asset and couldn't pass it up
he is a financial predator but then our society rewards such people
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exactly - he's first and foremost a trader and he probably saw an undervalued asset and couldn't pass it up
he is a financial predator but then our society rewards such people
He is a vampire and sucks the blood out of our economy and funds all sorts of garbage while profitting from it.
Whats hysterical is that he used the anti-war movement as useful idiots for his own personal wealth. The anti-war types were pimped out by Soros and could care less.
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You could look at it this way. He rants about being anti-war and then invests in Haliburton. Republicans rant about homosexuality and then turn around and suck the dicks of 20/30 something year old men. Same thing, different topics.
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You could look at it this way. He rants about being anti-war and then invests in Haliburton. Republicans rant about homosexuality and then turn around and suck the dicks of 20/30 something year old men. Same thing, different topics.
Congresspeople having gay affairs is not the same thing as intentionally driving the price of a company stock down using the emotions of deaths of americans soldiers and others.
Sorry, their not the same.
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He is a vampire and sucks the blood out of our economy and funds all sorts of garbage while profitting from it.
Whats hysterical is that he used the anti-war movement as useful idiots for his own personal wealth. The anti-war types were pimped out by Soros and could care less.
he's a product of our system
I don't have any problem with it
I don't recall him getting any bailouts with my tax dollars
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he's a product of our system
I don't have any problem with it
I don't recall him getting any bailouts with my tax dollars
Only exploiting the deaths of american soldiers for personal gain. Its all good right?
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Congresspeople having gay affairs is not the same thing as intentionally driving the price of a company stock down using the emotions of deaths of americans soldiers and others.
Sorry, their not the same.
It's good that you're spewing nothing but lies. How did he drive down Halliburton's stock price when it's done nothing but rise during most of the this decade? ::)
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Only exploiting the deaths of american soldiers for personal gain. Its all good right?
you mean by owning Haliburton stock?
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you mean by owning Haliburton stock?
http://www.theneweditor.com/index.php?/archives/5332-George-Soros-Buys-Halliburton-Stock.html
No, buy using the anti war groups he funded and using anti-halliburton propaganda in their ads and campaigns to help drive the price down all while at the same time bying huge amounts of shares in said company.
Read about what he did the British pound. He has already been convicted in one country of insider trading.
The man is a vulture just as bad if not worse than anything you guys ever point to "on the other side"
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http://www.theneweditor.com/index.php?/archives/5332-George-Soros-Buys-Halliburton-Stock.html
No, buy using the anti war groups he funded and using anti-halliburton propaganda in their ads and campaigns to help drive the price down all while at the same time bying huge amounts of shares in said company.
Read about what he did the British pound. He has already been convicted in one country of insider trading.
The man is a vulture just as bad if not worse than anything you guys ever point to "on the other side"
Halliburton stock hit $6.54 in December 2001 and then rose through 2008. Soros didn't buy in until 2006 when it was already around $40. Looks like he really drove that price down! ::)
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http://www.theneweditor.com/index.php?/archives/5332-George-Soros-Buys-Halliburton-Stock.html
No, buy using the anti war groups he funded and using anti-halliburton propaganda in their ads and campaigns to help drive the price down all while at the same time bying huge amounts of shares in said company.
Read about what he did the British pound. He has already been convicted in one country of insider trading.
The man is a vulture just as bad if not worse than anything you guys ever point to "on the other side"
even if your CT is correct (and I don't think it is) it doesn't matter
he didn't "do" anything to the pound that someone else couldn't have done also if they had the means and the will
if you have a problem with the system that's fine
be mad at the system
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Obama's British Funder, George
Soros, Is A Profiteer Of 'Bush's War'
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-- After funding the launching of Barack Obama's political career, and while funding MoveOn.org, Center for American Progress, etc. to attack Dick Cheney's Halliburton Corp. war profiteering, George Soros was steadily buying Halliburton's stock. Soros had bought millions of shares of Halliburton by the beginning of 2007, when the stock's price, under the constant political pounding, had been cut from a high of $40/share down to $26. Then the MoveOn.org, etc. political attacks largely stopped, and Halliburton began its rise to today's price of $50.
The Anglo-Dutch oligarchy's billionaire opponent of `Bush's War' and `Cheney's Halliburton,' Soros began making purchases of Halliburton stock in the third quarter of 2005. He accelerated his buying in the fourth quarter of 2006, when the stock was trading near its low ($26.33) of the last four years. His purchase prices were between $27.62 and $33.53, with an estimated average price of $31.3. As of 12/31/06, Soros owned 1,999,450 shares, more than 2% of his total portfolio, making Halliburton his hedge funds' biggest investment of 2006.
The Soros-funded Center for American Progress, which had published dozens of scathing articles on Hallburton since its founding by Soros in 2003, went silent. Criticism of Halliburton by CAP ceased in 2006 shortly before Soros began his big purchases to accumulate 2 million shares. Likewise, other Soros-backed groups such as MoveOn.org, went silent on Halliburton. Listen to the false naivete of a big blog in the same political grouping, Daily Kos, on 3/4/2007: "I guess Soros has his reasons for buying the stock of a company such as Halliburton. Soros has remained a financial speculator while putting on other hats such as saving the world etc.... Maybe Soros plans on changing the company in some way. Maybe Halliburton could become a `green' company?"
2005 was also the year in which George Soros hedge funds began major speculation in oil majors and futures. The funds owned stocks of 17 oil producers, from ExxonMobil, Chevron, and Conoco-Phillips to Devon Energy and Pioneer Natural Resources. He bought Halliburton along with a bunch of other "oil servicers": Schlumberger Ltd., BJ Services Corp., Noble Corp., etc.
Predicting publicly in 2005, at Davos and elsewhere, that the dollar was going to drop sharply, Soros had his funds (along with those of Bill Gates and Warren Buffett) buy gold futures and oil futures beginning early that year. In March 2006 at Davos, he predicted oil price shocks. In late 2007, his "predicted" oil price shocks began hitting, although his claim is that he got the funds back making billions by betting on the mortgage bubble's, and dollar's, collapse.
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He started publishing articles chastising Halliburton in 2003. It's price bottomed out in late 2001 and had already started its climb back up. Your argument is retarded.
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Obama's British Funder, George
Soros, Is A Profiteer Of 'Bush's War'
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why don't you ever post a link to the source of an article?
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why don't you ever post a link to the source of an article?
Only the left could support a guy like Soros. You guys scream about Cheney but have no problem with Soros, I got it.
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You still haven't explained how he supposedly manipulated the prices of the stock when it has done nothing but gone up for the last decade, and was rising before he even started attacking it. All you've done is whined.
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Only the left could support a guy like Soros. You guys scream about Cheney but have no problem with Soros, I got it.
3333 - I think your brain might be broken
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http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/14/business/worldbusiness/14iht-soros.1974397.html
NYT Times - this asshole was convicted of insider trading in France and the conviction was upheld on appeal.
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From Wikipedia
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[edit] Currency speculation
On Black Wednesday (September 16, 1992), Soros's fund sold short more than $10 billion worth of pounds sterling, profiting from the Bank of England's reluctance to either raise its interest rates to levels comparable to those of other European Exchange Rate Mechanism countries or to float its currency.
Finally, the Bank of England withdrew the currency from the European Exchange Rate Mechanism, devaluing the pound sterling, and Soros earned an estimated US$ 1.1 billion in the process. He was dubbed "the man who broke the Bank of England."
The Times of Monday, October 26, 1992, quoted Soros as saying: "Our total position by Black Wednesday had to be worth almost $10 billion. We planned to sell more than that. In fact, when Norman Lamont said just before the devaluation that he would borrow nearly $15 billion to defend sterling, we were amused because that was about how much we wanted to sell."
Stanley Druckenmiller, who traded under Soros, originally saw the weakness in the pound. "Soros' contribution was pushing him to take a gigantic position."[17][18]
In 1997, during the Asian financial crisis, then Malaysian Prime Minister Mahathir bin Mohamad accused Soros of using the wealth under his control to punish ASEAN for welcoming Myanmar as a member. Soros has denied bin Mohamad's accusations.
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[edit] Currency speculation
On Black Wednesday (September 16, 1992), Soros's fund sold short more than $10 billion worth of pounds sterling, profiting from the Bank of England's reluctance to either raise its interest rates to levels comparable to those of other European Exchange Rate Mechanism countries or to float its currency.
Finally, the Bank of England withdrew the currency from the European Exchange Rate Mechanism, devaluing the pound sterling, and Soros earned an estimated US$ 1.1 billion in the process. He was dubbed "the man who broke the Bank of England."
The Times of Monday, October 26, 1992, quoted Soros as saying: "Our total position by Black Wednesday had to be worth almost $10 billion. We planned to sell more than that. In fact, when Norman Lamont said just before the devaluation that he would borrow nearly $15 billion to defend sterling, we were amused because that was about how much we wanted to sell."
Stanley Druckenmiller, who traded under Soros, originally saw the weakness in the pound. "Soros' contribution was pushing him to take a gigantic position."[17][18]
In 1997, during the Asian financial crisis, then Malaysian Prime Minister Mahathir bin Mohamad accused Soros of using the wealth under his control to punish ASEAN for welcoming Myanmar as a member. Soros has denied bin Mohamad's accusations.
good lord you are clueless
there a lot's of other people like Soros who were all involved in the trade and no one broke any laws
http://www.amazon.com/Inside-House-Money-Traders-Profiting/dp/0471794473
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good lord you are clueless
there a lot's of other people like Soros who were all involved in the trade and no one broke any laws
http://www.amazon.com/Inside-House-Money-Traders-Profiting/dp/0471794473
Well the court who handled the case, and the court of appeals disagrees with you.
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Well the court who handled the case, and the court of appeals disagrees with you.
are you talking about the pound/Bank of England trade?
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NYT Times - this asshole was convicted of insider trading in France and the conviction was upheld on appeal.
I dont konw anything about soros...
but you're lending credibility to the french justice system now.
When france said the iraq war was baseless, or 911 had questions, you didn't assign them any credibility. Now that you agree with them... ?
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[edit] Currency speculation
On Black Wednesday (September 16, 1992), Soros's fund sold short more than $10 billion worth of pounds sterling, profiting from the Bank of England's reluctance to either raise its interest rates to levels comparable to those of other European Exchange Rate Mechanism countries or to float its currency.
Finally, the Bank of England withdrew the currency from the European Exchange Rate Mechanism, devaluing the pound sterling, and Soros earned an estimated US$ 1.1 billion in the process. He was dubbed "the man who broke the Bank of England."
The Times of Monday, October 26, 1992, quoted Soros as saying: "Our total position by Black Wednesday had to be worth almost $10 billion. We planned to sell more than that. In fact, when Norman Lamont said just before the devaluation that he would borrow nearly $15 billion to defend sterling, we were amused because that was about how much we wanted to sell."
Stanley Druckenmiller, who traded under Soros, originally saw the weakness in the pound. "Soros' contribution was pushing him to take a gigantic position."[17][18]
In 1997, during the Asian financial crisis, then Malaysian Prime Minister Mahathir bin Mohamad accused Soros of using the wealth under his control to punish ASEAN for welcoming Myanmar as a member. Soros has denied bin Mohamad's accusations.
What's your point? Speculative attacks are possible because of the way the markets work. If Soros didn't do it, someone else would have saw it eventually and done the same thing. As far as I know, there is nothing illegal about what he did. He had the money to short the pound and he did just that. And it wasn't even him who discovered that the pound was weak. All he did was encourage his trader to take the position they did.
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are you talking about the pound/Bank of England trade?
Just because it is not techincally illegal does not make it morally right. Soros is a vulture, period.
As far as I know, Limbaugh has no criminal record. So to the point of the thread, why should soros be able to be part fo the NFL, and not Rush?
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I dont konw anything about soros...
but you're lending credibility to the french justice system now.
When france said the iraq war was baseless, or 911 had questions, you didn't assign them any credibility. Now that you agree with them... ?
good lord youre an idiot so you cant agree with a person on one issue and not on another? ::)
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Just because it is not techincally illegal does not make it morally right. Soros is a vulture, period.
As far as I know, Limbaugh has no criminal record. So to the point of the thread, why should soros be able to be part fo the NFL, and not Rush?
Morals? Get off your high horse. It's amusing that you're talking about morals when Rush has zero and is a complete scumbag. If Soros didn't do it, someone else would have found the same information and done the same exact thing.
Since when have morals come into play when making money?
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What's your point? Speculative attacks are possible because of the way the markets work. If Soros didn't do it, someone else would have saw it eventually and done the same thing. As far as I know, there is nothing illegal about what he did. He had the money to short the pound and he did just that. And it wasn't even him who discovered that the pound was weak. All he did was encourage his trader to take the position they did.
I love how you guys trash health insurance companies, oil companies, halliburton, etc and now are doing all sorts of mental gymnastics to defend anything and everything soros has done. Hysterical.
No wonder you guys dont say shit about GS either.
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Morals? Get off your high horse. It's amusing that you're talking about morals when Rush has zero and is a complete scumbag. If Soros didn't do it, someone else would have found the same information and done the same exact thing.
Since when have morals come into play when making money?
Agreed, so STFU about oil companies, insurance companies, etc.
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Just because it is not techincally illegal does not make it morally right. Soros is a vulture, period.
As far as I know, Limbaugh has no criminal record. So to the point of the thread, why should soros be able to be part fo the NFL, and not Rush?
fuck your morals
I thought you were an attorney/debt collector
what does limbaugh even have to do with it
Soros did nothing illegal or immoral in the Bank of England trade. If you want to make that argument there are better incidents.
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I love how you guys trash health insurance companies, oil companies, halliburton, etc and now are doing all sorts of mental gymnastics to defend anything and everything soros has done. Hysterical.
No wonder you guys dont say shit about GS either.
I couldn't care less about what he has done. He had the money to do it and chose to. That's how these markets work. It's pretty simple. If he didn't do it, someone else would have come and along and did it. Blame it on England for refusing to change their interest rates despite the massive speculative attacks on their currency. Fixed currencies are open to speculative attack. This is common knowledge. That's what they get for being thick headed.
From what I gather, Soros gives a lot of money to charities and has done a lot of philanthropic work in his life. Can't say Rush has done the same.
Agreed, so STFU about oil companies, insurance companies, etc.
I don't think I've made any posts on here about them. Watching you idiots bicker back and forth about them is enough for me.
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fuck your morals
I thought you were an attorney/debt collector
what does limbaugh even have to do with it
Soros did nothing illegal or immoral in the Bank of England trade. If you want to make that argument there are better incidents.
Fine, I misstated my point. Ill grant you that.
Again, knowing what we now know about soros and rush, why is it that the NFL has no problem with soros but a problem with rush?
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I couldn't care less about what he has done. He had the money to do it and chose to. That's how these markets work. It's pretty simple. If he didn't do it, someone else would have come and along and did it. Blame it on England for refusing to change their interest rates despite the massive speculative attacks on their currency. Fixed currencies are open to speculative attack. This is common knowledge. That's what they get for being thick headed.
From what I gather, Soros gives a lot of money to charities and has done a lot of philanthropic work in his life. Can't say Rush has done the same.
I don't think I've made any posts on here about them. Watching you idiots bicker back and forth about them is enough for me.
You have no problem with exploiting the deaths of american soldiers for personal gain?
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Fine, I misstated my point. Ill grant you that.
Again, knowing what we now know about soros and rush, why is it that the NFL has no problem with soros but a problem with rush?
Probably because Rush is a public figure. Most people wouldn't be able to tell you who Soros is.
You have no problem with exploiting the deaths of american soldiers for personal gain?
I have yet to see proof of this. Your articles and videos haven't proven shit.
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Fine, I misstated my point. Ill grant you that.
Again, knowing what we now know about soros and rush, why is it that the NFL has no problem with soros but a problem with rush?
soros and rush have nothing in common except they both have a lot of money (soros has a lot more than rash)
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Probably because Rush is a public figure. Most people wouldn't be able to tell you who Soros is.
I have yet to see proof of this. Your articles and videos haven't proven shit.
His own groups were publicly attacking Halliburton and attacking the war in ads, writings etc, while he was personally buying their stock.
You dont see a problem with that while members of the groups were genuinenly against the war and probably had or knew people who lost friends and family in Iraq?
Do you think you, or any of the other followers of the antiwar movement would have joined or kept membership if they found out that the founder was secretly buying halliburton stock when it was partially beaten down by their attacks on the company and failures of the war?
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His own groups were publicly attacking Halliburton and attacking the war in ads, writings etc, while he was personally buying their stock.
You dont see a problem with that while members of the groups were genuinenly against the war and probably had or knew people who lost friends and family in Iraq?
Do you think you, or any of the other followers of the antiwar movement would have joined or kept membership if they found out that the founder was secretly buying halliburton stock when it was partially beaten down by their attacks on the company and failures of the war?
Again, his attacks on the company didn't seem to do anything as the stock had been climbing from the beginning of 2002. He didn't start attacking them until 2003 (as evidenced by the article you posted) and the stock continued to rise until 2008. People are entitled to their opinions. Doesn't mean they can't make money as well. He saw a good investment and took it. Looks like it paid off because he seems to have made a lot of money on it AND was able to voice his anti-war stance.
I think Rush should be allowed to buy into the Rams (they blow anyway) but he's as big of a scumbag as they come.
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Hugo I wasn't calling you a hypocrite-- I was calling Jackson and Sharpton hypocrites--- :-*
oh well carry on, I don't give a shit about those assholes.
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If all Rush is being accused of doing happened when he was 14 and being held against him today, I'd say bullshit let him do whatever. Rush is a wannabe nazi as an adult. Sorors was a stupid fucking kid. 333 is still a.... oh nevermind.
How is Rush a wannabe Nazi.Your a fucking idiot.Typical left wing lib who throws the Nazi label around at anyone who doesnt want to suck Obamas black dick.
This coming from a guy who supports an administration that has Dunn up there extolling the virtues of Mao,a man that made Hitler look like a boy scout.