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Most of you won't even try to look at these pics. And it's because you KNOW that this is so wrong!!!! Our tax money SHOULD NOT be funding abortions!!!!! >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
I'm going to post some of the images that I found during the election when trying to warn of what then-candidate Obama wants to do with regard to abortion and being a puppet to Planned Parenthood!
LOOK AT THE PICTURES, people!!!!! you KNOW this is wrong!!!! >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
http://lens.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/10/09/behind-19/ (http://lens.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/10/09/behind-19/)
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Most of you won't even try to look at these pics. And it's because you KNOW that this is so wrong!!!! Our tax money SHOULD NOT be funding abortions!!!!! >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
I'm going to post some of the images that I found during the election when trying to warn of what then-candidate Obama wants to do with regard to abortion and being a puppet to Planned Parenthood!
LOOK AT THE PICTURES, people!!!!! you KNOW this is wrong!!!! >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
http://lens.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/10/09/behind-19/ (http://lens.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/10/09/behind-19/)
I would expect nothing less from this criminal gang of marxists.
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Note that this is even from the NY
Slimes Times
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Note that this is even from the NY Slimes Times
Look, even deep down some of these people have to have some conscience.
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Or more realistically, the fact that the NYT is bankrupt and hemorrhaging readers on a daily basis has impelled the powers that be to print some actual stories based in fact and reality.
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For cases of rape or incest, I have no problem with my tax dollars being used. For other cases, not so.
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For cases of rape or incest, I have no problem with my tax dollars being used. For other cases, not so.
That's the argument used most often. Looking at the big picture, in cases like this, we're talking less than 1/2 of a percent of all the abortions that take place. That's just in the United States, where we are closing in quickly on 50 million (50,000,000) abortions.
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That's the argument used most often. Looking at the big picture, in cases like this, we're talking less than 1/2 of a percent of all the abortions that take place. That's just in the United States, where we are closing in quickly on 50 million (50,000,000) abortions.
I'm not following. You're OK with taxpayer money for cases of rape and incest, or you're not OK with it?
If it's such a small percentage, then I would think that's all the more reason not to be bothered by taxpayer funding for those cases.
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Most of you won't even try to look at these pics. And it's because you KNOW that this is so wrong!!!! Our tax money SHOULD NOT be funding abortions!!!!! >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
I'm going to post some of the images that I found during the election when trying to warn of what then-candidate Obama wants to do with regard to abortion and being a puppet to Planned Parenthood!
LOOK AT THE PICTURES, people!!!!! you KNOW this is wrong!!!! >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
http://lens.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/10/09/behind-19/ (http://lens.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/10/09/behind-19/)
I looked at them and didn't think much of it. Sure in an ideal world everyone in the immediate family would come together to support the mother in raising the child and the child would be fed and clothed and loved BUT that's not the real world.
There are tons of cases where children are raised in shit moral enviroments, with a drugged mother, male partners that come and go, squalor conditions, no education, basically no hope for a "normal" upbringing.
You can get all emotional about the pics but the fact is I can think of many people that should have been aborted and it would have done society a lot of good, regarding saving more money in the long run and probably saving a lot more lives that most of these raised disasters would have affected in a negative way.
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I agree the photos are shocking. It's something no one wants to see, but it's a reality of life as we know it. Abortion is here to stay. I think more money should be spent on education and alternative options i.e. free birth control, more use of adoption.
What i don't understand is the stance many people take about being anti-abortion, pro-liberty. If you don't want to be told what to do with your body, don't try to tell others what to do.
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I agree the photos are shocking. It's something no one wants to see, but it's a reality of life as we know it. Abortion is here to stay. I think more money should be spent on education and alternative options i.e. free birth control, more use of adoption.
What i don't understand is the stance many people take about being anti-abortion, pro-liberty. If you don't want to be told what to do with your body, don't try to tell others what to do.
Some people consider abortion murder. If you believe abortion is murder, there is nothing to choose.
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Some people consider abortion murder. If you believe abortion is murder, there is nothing to choose.
Yes some people do. Some people also think abortion is a right of the person carrying the child, not of the government.
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Yes some people do. Some people also think abortion is a right of the person carrying the child, not of the government.
I am personally against abortion. I think it is a disgrace, an outrage, etc.
However, I think the govt dictating everything to everyone is a far worse sin in this are IMHO and thus the abortion issue does not really get me riled up too much.
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Yes some people do. Some people also think abortion is a right of the person carrying the child, not of the government.
Hmmm,yet our vice president wont allow grown men to use steroids and thats why he pushed their rise to controlled substance.Very odd way of viewing the world.
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Hmmm,yet our vice president wont allow grown men to use steroids and thats why he pushed their rise to controlled substance.Very odd way of viewing the world.
No president or vice president or politician would support steroids use outside of prescription. I challenge you to find ANYONE on record in congress recently who supports or wants steroids to be available without a script.
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I'm not following. You're OK with taxpayer money for cases of rape and incest, or you're not OK with it?
If it's such a small percentage, then I would think that's all the more reason not to be bothered by taxpayer funding for those cases.
My point was that this small percentage does not justify taxpayer funds for the other 99.5% of abortions that occur in the US. It would be one thing if these 50,000,000 abortions were all related to rape and incest cases, but it's not the case.
Yes some people do. Some people also think abortion is a right of the person carrying the child, not of the government.
So, in your own words, it's ok for some people think it's they're right to kill the CHILD (which would be a small human being) that they are carrying.
I have questions for pro-abortion advocates (not saying you are, KC, this is to the general population of pro-abortionists)...Don't you have to possess life to argue for or against life?
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Hey Colussus,
So are you all for unwanted kids being born into the world then?
Is there a shortage of people these days or something?
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I agree the photos are shocking. It's something no one wants to see, but it's a reality of life as we know it. Abortion is here to stay. I think more money should be spent on education and alternative options i.e. free birth control, more use of adoption.
What i don't understand is the stance many people take about being anti-abortion, pro-liberty. If you don't want to be told what to do with your body, don't try to tell others what to do.
liberty is one think KC personal responsibility is another...dont confuse the two
abortion in most cases isnt about liberty its about shirking personal responsibility
I agree that more should be done to educate and provide alternative options
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No president or vice president or politician would support steroids use outside of prescription. I challenge you to find ANYONE on record in congress recently who supports or wants steroids to be available without a script.
That's not the point he was making. He's saying if you argue that women should have the freedom to do with their body as they please, then why shouldn't an individual who wants to take gear have that same freedom.
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I have questions for pro-abortion advocates (not saying you are, KC, this is to the general population of pro-abortionists)...Don't you have to possess life to argue for or against life?
I'm pro choice, but I need you to clarify your question, please.
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That's not the point he was making. He's saying if you argue that women should have the freedom to do with their body as they please, then why shouldn't an individual who wants to take gear have that same freedom.
I'm not arguing they shouldn't. The point i was making is why single out a vice president when NO politician is on record as supporting the use of steroids without a script.
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I'm pro choice, but I need you to clarify your question, please.
Sorry for the delayed response, bro. I missed your post.
My point in that question is that, in order to argue to preserve or take a life, you must HAVE life in the first place.
I've mentioned this before about this topic. Life never became more real to me than when I first saw my oldest child on a ultrasound. She was but a speck and a heartbeat, yet I connected with this human being and identified her as a part of me. It was life in is most infinitesimal form. It was amazing. It was at that point that I forever solidified my argument that life begins at conception. If you look at life from that standpoint, then it's hard to see how America allows it's citizens to inject saline into that "speck and a heartbeat" so it will stop living. Or worse, partially deliver a fully formed infant, only to crack his/her skull and suck the brains out....then deliver the rest of the body so he/she can be left on a table to die.
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I think abortion is too difficult an issue to be inflexible on.
I only support first trimester abortions and then after that I am totally against abortion under all circumstances ( unless its rape, incest or to save the mothers life).
When the mother first concieves and no vital organs have started to form, the child is basically microscopic. Its hard to argue that an abortion at that point is killing human life.
However, in America abortion is overused and some women use it like an effecitve form of birth control which is disgusting.
I can see both sides of the argument, but overall I don't think a black and white- all or nothing approach is appropriate. Abortion should be allowed with certain iron clad restrictions in place.
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Black people (I am black if any of you didn't know) have NO IDEA what they did when they voted in Barack Obama. All they saw was color. I saw content.
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Black people (I am black if any of you didn't know) have NO IDEA what they did when they voted in Barack Obama. All they saw was color. I saw content.
Damn. Very powerful clip!
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When the mother first concieves and no vital organs have started to form, the child is basically microscopic. Its hard to argue that an abortion at that point is killing human life.
This is an argument that is used quite often as well to defend abortion. But when you think about the fact that pregnancy cannot be confirmed until 6-8 weeks. There is a heartbeat at that point. This is why Planned Parenthood is against the use of ultrasounds in their clinics. The lobbyists in Washington fight so hard to deny this type of legislation to move forward...ultrasounds prove life. Statistics show that whenever the mother sees her child on an ultrasound, the rate of abortions that are followed through is next to nothing.
Just something to think about for those who believe abortion should be allowed.
You're right though. Even at this point, abortion is overused. good point.
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Do you support the use of birth control ala the morning after pill?
One problem is that a lot of those who are staunch anti abortion activists, are also against sex ed and the use of birth control pills as well. I think that in a lot of ways that hurts the anti abortion argument.
Going back to that video, most people who support abortion don't realize that Margret Sanger and the rest of the Planned Parenthood crowd were abhorent racists that wanted Blacks and Catholics not to breed.
Switching gears for a second-- does anyone else find it comical that certain elements of Obama's cabniet ( one of those whack job Czars whose name I can't recall) wants to allow enviromental groups to assert the rights of individual animals, rivers, and other natural inanimate objects in court?
A lot of the pro abortion crowd would agree. These individuals consist of your typical enviromental nut job vegan types that support PETA. Of course these individuals are all for asserting the rights of rocks, trees, chickens and brussel sprouts like the Obama czar I alluded to above. It's both sad and hysterical that an unborn fetus is worthless to these people, but that they think things like a turkey or a mountain should have legal rights.
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Sorry for the delayed response, bro. I missed your post.
My point in that question is that, in order to argue to preserve or take a life, you must HAVE life in the first place.
I've mentioned this before about this topic. Life never became more real to me than when I first saw my oldest child on a ultrasound. She was but a speck and a heartbeat, yet I connected with this human being and identified her as a part of me. It was life in is most infinitesimal form. It was amazing. It was at that point that I forever solidified my argument that life begins at conception. If you look at life from that standpoint, then it's hard to see how America allows it's citizens to inject saline into that "speck and a heartbeat" so it will stop living. Or worse, partially deliver a fully formed infant, only to crack his/her skull and suck the brains out....then deliver the rest of the body so he/she can be left on a table to die.
That's great. I have 3 kids myself. But, this statement, more than any other you make, leads to the heart of the issue:
"If you look at life from that standpoint, then it's hard to see how America allows it's citizens to inject saline into that "speck and a heartbeat" so it will stop living."
First, not everybody sees things from your standpoint. And, I won't agree that life begins at conception. As when life begins simply can't be proven, it seems to me that we should err on the side of the woman. It is, after all, her body.
Second, even if I were to accept your premise, the rights of a woman to do with her body as she chooses trump any rights bestowed upon the fetus, IMO.
Controlling what an individual may or may not do with their body is a slippery slope. I've seen threads on here where people say it will be a cold day in hell before they force a mandatory vaccination of H1N1 on them. Yet it's OK to tell another what they may or may not do with their bodies?
Freedom of choice shouldn't end, just because others do not share your point of view.
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I will never vote for a pro-choice candidate
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Colussus, answer my question.
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Hey Colussus,
So are you all for unwanted kids being born into the world then?
Is there a shortage of people these days or something?
So are you for killing innocent children ?
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i'm not looking at those pictures. no way colossus... lately it freaks me out to see anything happen to a baby. I had to turn off an episode of House when this mother left her baby in a bath with running water. I just see/think of my baby when I see that stuff and flip out.
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Most of you won't even try to look at these pics. And it's because you KNOW that this is so wrong!!!! Our tax money SHOULD NOT be funding abortions!!!!! >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
I'm going to post some of the images that I found during the election when trying to warn of what then-candidate Obama wants to do with regard to abortion and being a puppet to Planned Parenthood!
LOOK AT THE PICTURES, people!!!!! you KNOW this is wrong!!!! >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
http://lens.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/10/09/behind-19/ (http://lens.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/10/09/behind-19/)
Are you ok with our tax money funding more welfare?
Or more more emergency room cost from basement abortions?
Or how about more babies in dumpsters?
Or how about 3000 dead young americans and thousands of more maimed and wounded based on BS intell?
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I think abortion is too difficult an issue to be inflexible on.
I only support first trimester abortions and then after that I am totally against abortion under all circumstances ( unless its rape, incest or to save the mothers life).
When the mother first concieves and no vital organs have started to form, the child is basically microscopic. Its hard to argue that an abortion at that point is killing human life.
However, in America abortion is overused and some women use it like an effecitve form of birth control which is disgusting.
I can see both sides of the argument, but overall I don't think a black and white- all or nothing approach is appropriate. Abortion should be allowed with certain iron clad restrictions in place.
I totally agree with this but forgot to mention in it in my first statement. Its interesting all the photos look like 3rd trimester babies to play on the emotions of people. A picture of a microscopinc tadpole wouldnt be as effective. When do most women have an abortion?
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Hey Colussus,
So are you all for unwanted kids being born into the world then?
Is there a shortage of people these days or something?
Sorry bro. I wasn't purposely trying to avoid you. I normally don't post during the weekend.
Yes, we want these unwanted children. Can you imagine how many geniuses we've "exterminated"? Yes, it's quite possible that we would have another Jeffrey Domer in the bunch, but on the who, it's quite likely that we've done away with more Good for the world than we have Bad. Would you agree with that?
In answer to your second question.......YES...the world population has, in fact, decreased, EUROPE to be more specific. That population is dwindling quickly. I believe that's in direct correlation to the viewpoint that Europeans hold...the same viewpoint that the secularized progressive society in America wants to to move towards.
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Can you imagine how many geniuses we've "exterminated"? Not many. Yes, it's quite possible that we would have another Jeffrey Domer (that's "Dahmer" genius :P) in the bunch, but on the who (on the who?) , it's quite likely that we've done away with more Good for the world than we have Bad. Would you agree with that? No. We've done away with more "irrelevant" than anything else.
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Hey, OzmO!!! good to see you, bro. :)
Are you ok with our tax money funding more welfare?
Nope, but is it safe for me to assume that you think that welfare is the ONLY solution to the problem that you speak of, and that I am in agreement with that solution? Surely, we have other options to help our fellow man. Agreed? How about working towards more responsibility? Welfare is the government's solution to a problem that got out of hand when we, as a nation, began to do away with out our social responsibility.
Or more emergency room cost from basement abortions?
Hate to break it to you, bro....but it's still happening. I don't think that's ever stopped. Again, you're only looking at the reactionary solutions to something that we could be working at more proactively....together.
Or how about more babies in dumpsters?
This is what happens to aborted babies now...in the dumpsters!!!! If they go in the dumpsters alive, they've got a better chance then don't they?
Or how about 3000 dead young americans and thousands of more maimed and wounded based on BS intell?
3000 dead young Americans IS a travesty, isn't it?
TRY 50,000,000 dead young Americans?
you do the math, bro.
ps. all that aside...it's good to see you again, bro. :)
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I totally agree with this but forgot to mention in it in my first statement. Its interesting all the photos look like 3rd trimester babies to play on the emotions of people. A picture of a microscopinc tadpole wouldnt be as effective. When do most women have an abortion?
8-9 weeks. That's what I was explaining to someone earlier in this thread. I saw my oldest for the first time at that point...she was but a speck and a heartbeat. I can't explain how it was that I connected with my child, before I knew if the child was a boy or a girl... before I knew that the child had blue eyes, or green eyes, or brown eyes....before I knew ANY of those features, I connected to that child.
If you're asking when it is that an abortion takes place, then I'm assuming that you never seen an ultrasound.
Next time you have a friend or family member announce that they are pregnant, I guarantee you that they will have a picture "of their baby" at a mere 8-10 weeks from the sonogram.... it's pretty amazing.
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This is a really tough issue and there are intense, valid opinions on both sides. This is one of the few issues where logic isn't the deciding factor. I guess I am kind of with George on this one.
I don't think taxpayers should be funding any abortions...except if the health of the mother was at stake.
"Nope, but is it safe for me to assume that you think that welfare is the ONLY solution to the problem that you speak of, and that I am in agreement with that solution? Surely, we have other options to help our fellow man. Agreed? How about working towards more responsibility? Welfare is the government's solution to a problem that got out of hand when we, as a nation, began to do away with out our social responsibility".
This is a great responce, particularly the last sentence. Even with all the welfare, entitlements and money thrown around, there hasn't been any real strides in changing the maladaptive patterns, family dysfunction and poor decision-making of many welfare recipients or the poor community. It shows that lack of money is not the main factor.
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Here's a great example of the point I've made about ultrasounds and why Planned Parenthood does not want laws mandating that the mother see their child before deciding to terminate the baby's life.
Planned Parenthood Director Leaves, Has Change of Heart
http://www.kbtx.com/local/headlines/68441827.html#
Planned Parenthood has been a part of Abby Johnson's life for the past eight years; that is until last month, when Abby resigned. Johnson said she realized she wanted to leave, after watching an ultrasound of an abortion procedure.
"I just thought I can't do this anymore, and it was just like a flash that hit me and I thought that's it," said Jonhson.
She handed in her resignation October 6. Johnson worked as the Bryan Planned Parenthood Director for two years.
According to Johnson, the non-profit was struggling under the weight of a tough economy, and changing it's business model from one that pushed prevention, to one that focused on abortion.
"It seemed like maybe that's not what a lot of people were believing any more because that's not where the money was. The money wasn't in family planning, the money wasn't in prevention, the money was in abortion and so I had a problem with that," said Johnson.
Johnson said she was told to bring in more women who wanted abortions, something the Episcopalian church goer recently became convicted about.
"I feel so pure in heart (since leaving). I don't have this guilt, I don't have this burden on me anymore that's how I know this conversion was a spiritual conversion."
Johnson now supports the Coalition For Life, the pro-life group with a building down the street from Planned Parenthood. Coalition volunteers can regularly be seen praying on the sidewalk in front of Planned Parenthood. Johnson has been meeting with the coalition's executive director, Shawn Carney, and has prayed with volunteers outside Planned Parenthood.
On Friday both Johnson and the Coalition For Life were issued temporary restraining orders filed by Planned Parenthood.
Rochelle Tafolla, a Planned Parenthood spokesperson issued the following statement: "We regret being forced to turn to the courts to protect the safety and confidentiality of our clients and staff, however, in this instance it is absolutely necessary."
The temporary restraining order contends that Planned Parenthood would be irreparably harmed by the disclosure of certain information, but does not bar Johnson or Coalition For Life volunteers from the premises.
As of Sunday evening, neither Johnson nor Carney had seen the complaint filed against them that prompted the restraining order.
A hearing about the order has been set for November 10.