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1. Lower taxes?
2. Low turnout and an aberation?
3. Negative Obama sentiment?
4. People sick of one party rule?
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Economic "revolt"..to use the term lossely
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to early to tell on your options. half the country didn't even have elections today. But maybe it is, the half that did is the more liberal half for the most part. How many third party/independents were elected? Were there more running? If no/no, it's not a good sign for me.
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this can' be a mandate, if 2008 wasn't a mandate.
repubs stayed home in 2008 (18% of 2004 voters) and dems stayed home today.
today looks good for repubs, but 99% of the country ain't following it.
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this can' be a mandate, if 2008 wasn't a mandate.
repubs stayed home in 2008 (18% of 2004 voters) and dems stayed home today.
today looks good for repubs, but 99% of the country ain't following it.
Ha ha. What a spin job. In my 3 to 1 dem county, the GOP pro-gun anti-tax candidate won by 16 points!
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Republicans won all over the place.The idea no one cares is nuts.Every election besides president ,no one cares.THATS the problem.No one cares until the stupid government steals our money and jams stupid ideas like health care and tax and trade down our throat.
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Republicans won all over the place.The idea no one cares is nuts.Every election besides president ,no one cares.THATS the problem.No one cares until the stupid government steals our money and jams stupid ideas like health care and tax and trade down our throat.
The libs are all on notice.
KEEP UP YOUR SHIT AND YOU ARE DONE!
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msnbc was talking nonstop last night about how this isn't a mandate. just like fox did one year ago when dems won in most places.
it's definitely a mandate, and a big statement that ppl are rejecting obama policy, and that the excitement the dems had is gone.
2008 and 2006 were huge anti-bush mandates also. Pendulum swings.
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msnbc was talking nonstop last night about how this isn't a mandate. just like fox did one year ago when dems won in most places.
it's definitely a mandate, and a big statement that ppl are rejecting obama policy, and that the excitement the dems had is gone.
2008 and 2006 were huge anti-bush mandates also. Pendulum swings.
2010 is going to make 1994 look like nothing because Obama/Reid/Pelosi are going to double down on stupidity and arrogance.
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msnbc was talking nonstop last night about how this isn't a mandate. just like fox did one year ago when dems won in most places.
it's definitely a mandate, and a big statement that ppl are rejecting obama policy, and that the excitement the dems had is gone.
2008 and 2006 were huge anti-bush mandates also. Pendulum swings.
The problem is the republicans get into power and ALL they care about is staying in power so they go back to giving money away to scum bags.The democrats ALWAYS overreach and think the people want MORE government.If people would govern the way they campaign,it would be nice.
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2010 is going to make 1994 look like nothing because Obama/Reid/Pelosi are going to double down on stupidity and arrogance.
make a prediction. how many congressional seats are up for grabs, and how many will jump from D to r?
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Was channel surfing while driving today and came across a couple of black dj's talking about the elections. They said the reason black folk didn't turn out yesterday was because Obama had quit "talking to them." Said the black are what made the difference in the last election. More to do with gimpy white, guilt-ridden apologist, but hey thats a topic for another day....anyway....
I'm not sure what they expected, but it's funny that somehow the mere fact that Obama was black and that is why they voted for him, he was going to perform miracles for them. I think he will cause a large percentage of black voters to stay away in 2012 because their lives won't have changed, or maybe even worse, than in 08.
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While some of this was certainly about local politics, there is also some truth in this being a referredum on the big government policies persued by the liberals. People elected Obama as a change from Bush, not because the country has swung that far left. Obama, Pelosi, Reid, Rangle, Frank...all these guys are too far left for the majority of the country. As 240 says, it's a pendulum and it's starting to swing if the democrats allow the liberal left to be the loudest voice.
I predict at least 20-25 seats going to republicans in 2010. People don't like unbalanced government (unless the country is doing very well in it's economic cycle). The democrats have silenced the republicans in many debates in congress then say the republicans are just the party of no. That's propaganda, I'm sick of the overt politics and untruths being told. The repubs have little or no power with their low #s, that's what's happening right now. If you like big government solutions then Obama and his closest allies are your people.
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off year elections don't mean much because almost no one votes.
did anyone on this board vote yesterday?
I didn't
the interesting race was NY 23 where the Dem won which hasn't happened since something like the 1870's.
Repubs tried to listen to the people and run a moderate and ran into the wackjob right wing or their party who wanted to run a guy who didn't live in the district, didn't know the issues of the district and who called Glenn Beck his mentor.
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off year elections don't mean much because almost no one votes.
did anyone on this board vote yesterday?
I didn't
the interesting race was NY 23 where the Dem won which hasn't happened since something like the 1870's.
Repubs tried to listen to the people and run a moderate and ran into the wackjob right wing or their party who wanted to run a guy who didn't live in the district, didn't know the issues of the district and who called Glenn Beck his mentor.
Wednesday, November 04, 2009
The Conservative Victory in New York [Kathryn Jean Lopez]
From a New York political observer:
The biggest defeat for RINOs in New York wasn't the pre-election collapse of Dede Scozzafava in the 23rd CD. It was tonight's stunning victory by conservative Republican Rob Astorino in the race for County Executive of Westchester County—the affluent and heavily taxed suburb just north of NYC, which has been solidly Democratic for more than a decade. Astorino's victory is a stinging rebuke to the brand of New York Republicanism personified by Assemblywoman Scozzafava, former Gov. (and Westchester native son) George Pataki, and Westchester's famously liberal former state Sen. Nicky Spano of Yonkers, who had endorsed incumbent Democratic County Executive Andy Spano (no relation) and engineered Andy Spano's endorsement by the local Conservative party. Astorino, 42, a county legislator who used to co-host a satellite radio show with Cardinal Egan, happens to be pro-life — but going against the trend established by Pataki and other suburban Republicans in the 1990s, he didn't waver from that position. He knew the pro-choice swing vote in Westchester would be motivated by primarily economic issues. He was right, and has a bright future in statewide politics if he does a good job. An even more stunning Republican showing came in the other big, affluent NYC suburb, Nassau County, where an underfunded Republican named Ed Mangano was — as of midnight — in a dead heat with the charismatic Democratic County Executive Tom Suozzi. Meanwhile, the GOP recaptured control of that county's legislature. Nassau residents apparently were so fed up with the status quo that they may have returned control of county government to the same discredited GOP machine that nearly drove the county into bankruptcy just eight years ago. In a word, Wow.
And from the Westchester Journal News:
Voters rejected the Democratic incumbent’s bid for a fourth term, opting instead for a candidate who pledged to downsize government and cut the highest county taxes in the nation.
“It’s far surpassing anything we expected,” Astorino said after taking Spano’s concession call at the Crowne Plaza Hotel. “But I think the message resonated. People wanted change and they are going to get it starting in January.”
Astorino’s victory came despite Democrats’ 2-1 margin over Republicans among Westchester’s 538,822 registered voters.
With 87 percent of the votes in, Astorino had 58 percent, Spano 42 percent, according to the unofficial results.
11/04 12:33 AMShare
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While some of this was certainly about local politics, there is also some truth in this being a referredum on the big government policies persued by the liberals. People elected Obama as a change from Bush, not because the country has swung that far left. Obama, Pelosi, Reid, Rangle, Frank...all these guys are too far left for the majority of the country. As 240 says, it's a pendulum and it's starting to swing if the democrats allow the liberal left to be the loudest voice.
I predict at least 20-25 seats going to republicans in 2010. People don't like unbalanced government (unless the country is doing very well in it's economic cycle). The democrats have silenced the republicans in many debates in congress then say the republicans are just the party of no. That's propaganda, I'm sick of the overt politics and untruths being told. The repubs have little or no power with their low #s, that's what's happening right now. If you like big government solutions then Obama and his closest allies are your people.
I agree a lot with your post.
I think there are a few things the Obama administration has to face.
How much have been accomplished?
But who will win or lose seats remains to be seen.
It all boils down to whether there is any major recovery in time for the election.
If it is - count on the Democrats to get paid off.
If not - they will be punished.
I have no idea whether or not a major recovery will have occured by the time of the election, BTW.
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yeah County Executive of Wetschester county is HUGE
that's so much more important than winning a seat in Congress
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I agree a lot with your post.
I think there are a few things the Obama administration has to face.
How much have been accomplished?
But who will win or lose seats remains to be seen.
It all boils down to whether there is any major recovery in time for the election.
If it is - count on the Democrats to get paid off.
If not - they will be punished.
I have no idea whether or not a major recovery will have occured by the time of the election, BTW.
Hedge - its about priorities.
Obama/Reid/Pelosi have their priorities all screwed up.
I have said it from day one. Obama is cluess on the economy, FUCKING CLUELESS!
Pelosi/Reid are no better.
BTW - I dont want to hear shit about inheriting this mess.
1. Obama voted for every bloated budget and wanted more spending not less.
2. Voted for TARP and the Bush bailouts.
3. Put into his cabinet and close advisors the architects of this disaster- Geithner, Rubin, Summers, and the Goldman Sachs gang.
4. Filed lawsuits against banks to increase CRA lending when he was an attorney.
5. Is doing everything exactly the same as Bush did.
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yeah County Executive of Wetschester county is HUGE
that's so much more important than winning a seat in Congress
This is ground ZERO of the lear jet liberal land and a stake was just driven through the heart of the corrupt bloated liberal regime that has caused us to be the highest taxed county in the nation.
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off year elections don't mean much because almost no one votes.
did anyone on this board vote yesterday?
I didn't
the interesting race was NY 23 where the Dem won which hasn't happened since something like the 1870's.
Repubs tried to listen to the people and run a moderate and ran into the wackjob right wing or their party who wanted to run a guy who didn't live in the district, didn't know the issues of the district and who called Glenn Beck his mentor.
You have ZERO idea of what your talking about.Suzzbagafazo wasnt a moderate.She was a liberal.So liberal THE DEMOCRAT ran ads calling her a tax and spend lib.So,she wasnt a moderate at all.In fact she endorsed the democrat.
Number two,the conservative wasnt even in the running a month ago.No one knew him.Palin went up and endorsed him and he gained about 15 pts right away.It was Palin that ran SCUZZBAGAFANO OUT OF THE RACE AND OUT OF THE PARTY!!!Thank God.That republican would have voted with Obama anyway.
This was a great moment for republicans.We ran a filthy fat lib out of the party,and almost won with a third part ticket that was an unkown a month ago.This was a HUGE wakeup call to fools like McCain and the rest of the libs .GET OUT!!!
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This is ground ZERO of the lear jet liberal land and a stake was just driven through the heart of the corrupt bloated liberal regime that has caused us to be the highest taxed county in the nation.
ground zero?
OK - if that makes you feel better about losing in NY 23
I guess it's a good thing that Palin didn't endorse Astorino
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You have ZERO idea of what your talking about.Suzzbagafazo wasnt a moderate.She was a liberal.So liberal THE DEMOCRAT ran ads calling her a tax and spend lib.So,she wasnt a moderate at all.In fact she endorsed the democrat.
Number two,the conservative wasnt even in the running a month ago.No one knew him.Palin went up and endorsed him and he gained about 15 pts right away.It was Palin that ran SCUZZBAGAFANO OUT OF THE RACE AND OUT OF THE PARTY!!!Thank God.That republican would have voted with Obama anyway.
This was a great moment for republicans.We ran a filthy fat lib out of the party,and almost won with a third part ticket that was an unkown a month ago.This was a HUGE wakeup call to fools like McCain and the rest of the libs .GET OUT!!!
you're right - putting a DEM in office for the first time in about 140 years is a HUGE vicory for the Repubs.
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The republican party in upstate NY screwed themselves by nominating a liberal republican in the first place. Despite people's frustrations, good candidates still need to be nominated. It looks like the divide between Hoffman supporters and Scozzafava... caused the repbulicans to loose the election.
The republicans have to put forward the right people if they want to capitalize on the current opportunity.
Hoffman probably was too conservative for the moderates and Scozzafava was too liberal for all republicans.
How is Scozzafava republican anyway, she is not a fiscal or social conservative...?
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you're right - putting a DEM in office for the first time in about 140 years is a HUGE vicory for the Repubs.
+1
How did the makeup of CONGRESS change again?
Ummm... welll.... you know there was that one time..... so umm..... HEY COUNTY EXECUTIVE OF WESTCHESTER COUNTY WENT TO GOP!!!! YEAH BABY, THAT'S A MESSAGE..... LIBERALS ARE DYING OVER THIS..... YEAH MAN!!!!!!
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This is ground ZERO of the lear jet liberal land and a stake was just driven through the heart of the corrupt bloated liberal regime that has caused us to be the highest taxed county in the nation.
::) Hardly. Turn out for that election was light because not too many people cared about. Just two reasons why it couldn't be considered indicative of future trends. Hoffman's race was more important. He had the nation's attention and conservative talk radio in his back pocket. If you insist on using any of these elections as a litmus test, then that would be the one.
That being said, politics is cyclical and reactionary, so the conservatives should make at least minimal headway next year, especially if the economy does not rebound strongly. Last night, however, is not a strong argument for that, though.
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The republican party in upstate NY screwed themselves by nominating a liberal republican in the first place. Despite people's frustrations, good candidates still need to be nominated. It looks like the divide between Hoffman supporters and Scozzafava... caused the repbulicans to loose the election.
The republicans have to put forward the right people if they want to capitalize on the current opportunity.
Hoffman probably was too conservative for the moderates and Scozzafava was too liberal for all republicans.
How is Scozzafava republican anyway, she is not a fiscal or social conservative...?
All Politics are local. This district voted for a Dem for the first time in 140+ year but most likely would have preferred a moderate Repub
Scozzafava most likely would have won and when she got to Congress she probably would have joined the hive mind of the Repubs and voted with them
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::) Hardly. Turn out for that election was light because not too many people cared about. Just two reasons why it couldn't be considered indicative of future trends. Hoffman's race was more important. He had the nation's attention and conservative talk radio in his back pocket. If you insist on using any of these elections as a litmus test, then that would be the one.
That being said, politics is cyclical and reactionary, so the conservatives should make at least minimal headway next year, especially if the economy does not rebound strongly. Last night, however, is not a strong argument for that, though.
And VA & NJ??????
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The elections are certainly about local feelings but in this case probably is somewhat reflective of the loud big government push by the liberals in Washington.
We'll know a hell of a lot more in 2010. Even if the economy improves (which is the #1 issue), I still think republicans will win more seats because the dems are creating massive deficits and are expanding government. That is a significant issue. Lots of independents are pissed this administration has been far more liberal in it's agenda than they thought.
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+1
How did the makeup of CONGRESS change again?
Ummm... welll.... you know there was that one time..... so umm..... HEY COUNTY EXECUTIVE OF WESTCHESTER COUNTY WENT TO GOP!!!! YEAH BABY, THAT'S A MESSAGE..... LIBERALS ARE DYING OVER THIS..... YEAH MAN!!!!!!
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Gee what a dick.Governor is FAR more important then congress.We knocked out the bluest of blue states in New Jersey where the all mighty Obama was in there at least 5 times.He didnt do a freaking thing.
Now,upstate NY didnt have a primary.They put in a filthy lib.Had they had a primary Suzzbagafano wouldnt have won.We ran a conservative with ZERO charisma,zero expierance,zero backing until the very end and almost won despite the idiot "republican"throwing her support behind the democrat.
Health care is dead,cap and trade is dead.Obama is a do nothing little man child who has failed and will continue to fail.Cant get health care done with a 60 vote majority in the senate and a 41 or so advantage in the house.He has failed.
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And VA & NJ??????
Obama's popularity is extremely high in NJ. That election was a rejection of Corzine. He was never exactly beloved.
I haven't really been following commentary that closely, but everyone agrees that turn out was light across the board. Conservatives were mobilized in an effort to create a referendum that never materialized. Most people stayed home.
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Obama's popularity is extremely high in NJ. That election was a rejection of Corzine. He was never exactly beloved.
I haven't really been following commentary that closely, but everyone agrees that turn out was light across the board. Conservatives were mobilized in an effort to create a referendum that never materialized. Most people stayed home.
Unreal.
Al - I have to post this, but you earned it:
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Unreal.
Al - I have to post this, but you earned it:
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Unreal.
Al - I have to post this, but you earned it:
dude - you're the last person who should be posting that
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::) Hardly. Turn out for that election was light because not too many people cared about. Just two reasons why it couldn't be considered indicative of fu4ture trends. Hoffman's race was more important. He had the nation's attention and conservative talk radio in his back pocket. If you insist on using any of these elections as a litmus test, then that would be the one.
That being said, politics is cyclical and reactionary, so the conservatives should make at least minimal headway next year, especially if the economy does not rebound strongly. Last night, however, is not a strong argument for that, though.
This is exactly right.
This race was the litmus test for who will control the Republican Party. When this district was given the choice of what was essentially a Tea Party candidate they voted for a Dem for the first time in 100+ years.
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dude - you're the last person who should be posting that
Ha ha - spoke from the guy:
1. Who cheerleaded the Stimulus - FAIL
2. Cheerleaded C4C - FAIL
3. Cheerleaded ObamaCare - FAIL
4. Chearleaded bailout of GM - FAIL
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This is exactly right.
This race was the litmus test for who will control the Republican Party. When this district was given the choice of what was essentially a Tea Party candidate they voted for a Dem for the first time in 100+ years.
The Corzine race was BY FAR more watched,more important and spoke volumes.The congressional race was foccused on the last two weeks because the libs tried to play it up as a rift in the republican party.
Obama won NJ with close to 60% in the last election.Corzine,the tax and spend lib,got beat in a state that ALWAYS goes Democratic.Obama obviously thought NJ was WAY more important then NY because he was there 5 times and ZERO times in NY.
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The Corzine race was BY FAR more watched,more important and spoke volumes.The congressional race was foccused on the last two weeks because the libs tried to play it up as a rift in the republican party.
Obama won NJ with close to 60% in the last election.Corzine,the tax and spend lib,got beat in a state that ALWAYS goes Democratic.Obama obviously thought NJ was WAY more important then NY because he was there 5 times and ZERO times in NY.
Damn, if only Dear Leadr had campaigned for Owens, Hoffman would have been a shoe in.
Picking up NJ is HUGE!
VA was just an outright embarassment of obama.
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Ha ha - spoke from the guy:
1. Who cheerleaded the Stimulus - FAIL
2. Cheerleaded C4C - FAIL
3. Cheerleaded ObamaCare - FAIL
4. Chearleaded bailout of GM - FAIL
ok - if that makes you feel better.
nuance is not exactly your forte
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dude - you're the last person who should be posting that
Nah, actually that image is more applicable to you. You have to be the most idiotic poster on this forum. Seriously, are you that naive?
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Nah, actually that image is more applicable to you. You have to be the most idiotic poster on this forum. Seriously, are you that naive?
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The Corzine race was BY FAR more watched,more important and spoke volumes.The congressional race was foccused on the last two weeks because the libs tried to play it up as a rift in the republican party.
Obama won NJ with close to 60% in the last election.Corzine,the tax and spend lib,got beat in a state that ALWAYS goes Democratic.Obama obviously thought NJ was WAY more important then NY because he was there 5 times and ZERO times in NY.
Yes, as I said Obama is extremely popular in New Jersey and Corzine was an embattled governor.
The issue was what these elections meant in a larger context. During the last few election cycles when Bush was president, repub candidates tried to distance themselves from him. Obama's approval ratings in New Jersey are still astronomical and and no doubt helped him. His loss isn't NECESSARILY a reflection of a changing political tide. Corzine was a rather unpopular incumbent who lost n his own.
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You certainly have an extensive collection of forum pics. :-\
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Yes, as I said Obama is extremely popular in New Jersey and Corzine was an embattled governor.
The issue was what these elections meant in a larger context. During the last few election cycles when Bush was president, repub candidates tried to distance themselves from him. Obama's approval ratings in New Jersey are still astronomical and and no doubt helped him. His loss isn't NECESSARILY a reflection of a changing political tide. Corzine was a rather unpopular incumbent who lost n his own.
The issue in NJ is that voters are sick of high tax liberal nonsense. Homeowners cant afford the left wing fantasies anymore.
ONWARD CONSERVATIVE/LIBERTARIAN SOLDIERS TO 2010!
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Yes, as I said Obama is extremely popular in New Jersey and Corzine was an embattled governor.
The issue was what these elections meant in a larger context. During the last few election cycles when Bush was president, repub candidates tried to distance themselves from him. Obama's approval ratings in New Jersey are still astronomical and and no doubt helped him. His loss isn't NECESSARILY a reflection of a changing political tide. Corzine was a rather unpopular incumbent who lost n his own.
So he lost on his own.Funny,but his economic plan is EXACTLY the same as Obamas.Both said they are a team.
Now,Obama won Virginia.Last night the democrat lost by 40pts.I guess that means nothing either.Incredible.Even when Obama looses,he wins in the eyes of libs.
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So he lost on his own.Funny,but his economic plan is EXACTLY the same as Obamas.Both said they are a team.
Now,Obama won Virginia.Last night the democrat lost by 40pts.I guess that means nothing either.Incredible.Even when Obama looses,he wins in the eyes of libs.
Christie hit all the local talk radio guys like Levin, Malzberg, Imus, et al. He was actually a good straight forward guy.
Obama hurt Corzine more than anything because it reminded voters of the GoldMan Sachs gang and bailouts.
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So he lost on his own.Funny,but his economic plan is EXACTLY the same as Obamas.Both said they are a team.
Now,Obama won Virginia.Last night the democrat lost by 40pts.I guess that means nothing either.Incredible.Even when Obama looses,he wins in the eyes of libs.
You completely misunderstood my last post.
Being that it is perfectly clear and a clarification of a previous post you misunderstood, I'm just gonna advise you to go back and read what they ACTUALLY say.
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Christie hit all the local talk radio guys like Levin, Malzberg, Imus, et al. He was actually a good straight forward guy.
Obama hurt Corzine more than anything because it reminded voters of the GoldMan Sachs gang and bailouts.
Not really. Exit polls for both of the races definitively stated that the biggest issues were local. Obama's campaigning helped Corzine's poll numbers. I don't know too much about the VA race, but I do know that the NJ race was way more complex than for/against Obama. I will prob read up on the VA race when I get time.
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Not really. Exit polls for both of the races definitively stated that the biggest issues were local. Obama's campaigning helped Corzine's poll numbers. I don't know too much about the VA race, but I do know that the NJ race was way more complex than for/against Obama. I will prob read up on the VA race when I get time.
Al, I live in Westchester.
THe taxes imposed by these governments is CRIMINAL!
We are sick of paying for this garbage.
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Nah, actually that image is more applicable to you. You have to be the most idiotic poster on this forum. Seriously, are you that naive?
Who are you - 333 and Billy's retarded love child?
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Al, I live in Westchester.
THe taxes imposed by these governments is CRIMINAL!
We are sick of paying for this garbage.
I'm sure you are... and I"m sure there are plenty who feel like you. But that doesn't mean your interpretation of last night's elections is accurate.
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I'm sure you are... and I"m sure there are plenty who feel like you. But that doesn't mean your interpretation of last night's elections is accurate.
Ha Ha. Astorino beating the lib incumbent by 16 points on a pro-life, pro-gun, anti-tax platform means nothing.
Al: Just for you baby:
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::) Hardly. Turn out for that election was light because not too many people cared about. Just two reasons why it couldn't be considered indicative of future trends. Hoffman's race was more important. He had the nation's attention and conservative talk radio in his back pocket. If you insist on using any of these elections as a litmus test, then that would be the one.
That being said, politics is cyclical and reactionary, so the conservatives should make at least minimal headway next year, especially if the economy does not rebound strongly. Last night, however, is not a strong argument for that, though.
Where did I say it meant nothing?
Is it a rejection of Westchester's ridiculously high taxes during tough economic times? Yes. You claimed it was "ground zero" for the way the winds will blow in the next election. That it is not. I never said it meant nothing. I said it didn't mean what you were trying to pass it off as.
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Where did I say it meant nothing?
Is it a rejection of Westchester's ridiculously high taxes during tough economic times? Yes. You claimed it was "ground zero" for the way the winds will blow in the next election. That it is not. I never said it meant nothing. I said it didn't mean what you were trying to pass it off as.
AL: If Westchester County goes GOP, the DEMS are donezo.
Astorino run on anti-tax, pro-gun, pro-life platform and won by 16 points. This is Hillary land for fucks sake!
Another thing, even some of my lib friends voted for the conservative because they are sick of big govt taxes.
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Where did I say it meant nothing?
Is it a rejection of Westchester's ridiculously high taxes during tough economic times? Yes. You claimed it was "ground zero" for the way the winds will blow in the next election. That it is not. I never said it meant nothing. I said it didn't mean what you were trying to pass it off as.
Al: the taxes on my building went up by 20k last year.
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AL: If Westchester County goes GOP, the DEMS are donezo.
Astorino run on anti-tax, pro-gun, pro-life platform and won by 16 points. This is Hillary land for fucks sake!
Another thing, even some of my lib friends voted for the conservative because they are sick of big govt taxes.
And, as has already been addressed by more than one person, he won for COUNTY EXECUTIVE in an election with a light turnout. Maybe some of your lib friends voted for the conservative, but statistically, most of your lib friends stayed home and didn't vote for anyone.
You can believe that there will be a huge repub uprising in the next election- as a matter of fact, I'm sure that's the only thing getting you up in the morning these day- but you know, logically, in light of all the information you have at your disposal, that these elections aren't necessarily a sign of that.
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And, as has already been addressed by more than one person, he won for COUNTY EXECUTIVE in an election with a light turnout. Maybe some of your lib friends voted for the conservative, but statistically, most of your lib friends stayed home and didn't vote for anyone.
You can believe that there will be a huge repub uprising in the next election- as a matter of fact, I'm sure that's the only thing getting you up in the morning these day- but you know, logically, in light of all the information you have at your disposal, that these elections aren't necessarily a sign of that.
The people I am getting emails from were all obama voters but sick of paying 15k a year in taxes for a home going down in value to fund bloated corrupt govt.
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And, as has already been addressed by more than one person, he won for COUNTY EXECUTIVE in an election with a light turnout. Maybe some of your lib friends voted for the conservative, but statistically, most of your lib friends stayed home and didn't vote for anyone.
You can believe that there will be a huge repub uprising in the next election- as a matter of fact, I'm sure that's the only thing getting you up in the morning these day- but you know, logically, in light of all the information you have at your disposal, that these elections aren't necessarily a sign of that.
No,it might not be a sign of that.Add into it the fact that the VAST majority of Americans are against Obama care,against cap and trade,were against the bailouts of the auto dealers,were against the stimulous,see unemployment at record highs AFTER spending a trillion dollars on stimulous,and the writing is on the wall.
Now,put things like Gates,Van Jones,Acorn etc etc.and if you cant feel the outrage then your blind.Obama campaigned as a uniter,a tax cutter and a moderate.He has goverened like a divider,a tax hiker and a FAR FAR FAR left wing lunatic.
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Though I agree these races were probably mostly focused on local issues, when the president goes to bat that hard for these democratic gov (who both support his general policies and agendas) and both loose, it may be a reflection on overall big government and taxation policies, certainly a possibility.
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Though I agree these races were probably mostly focused on local issues, when the president goes to bat that hard for these democratic gov (who both support his general policies and agendas) and both loose, it may be a reflection on overall big government and taxation policies, certainly a possibility.
SHOOT - I live in one of the most lib areas of the country. The voters voted for a pro-gun, pro-life, anti-tax conservative by 16 Points because we are sick of funding an out of control govt.
Its not just Obama, although he is a symbol of govt on roids, but the overall burden that taxes that are causing people and the economy.
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Though I agree these races were probably mostly focused on local issues, when the president goes to bat that hard for these democratic gov (who both support his general policies and agendas) and both loose, it may be a reflection on overall big government and taxation policies, certainly a possibility.
I don't think it is even a possibility, but I can at least understand if someone does think that. But anyone who thinks last night was some sort of referendum needs to put the pipe down.
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Gee what a dick.Governor is FAR more important then congress.
What an idiot. Last time I checked, Govs did not have a vote in Congress which is responsible for approving the POTUS agenda.
Nice try. Come back when the GOP wins something relevant.
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Obama won NJ with close to 60% in the last election.Corzine,the tax and spend lib,got beat in a state that ALWAYS goes Democratic.
Who told you that? It's not true.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Governors_of_New_Jersey#Governors_under_the_1947_N.J._Constitution_.281947.E2.80.94.29
it's about 50/50. And if you look at it, the party that is in the white house seldom wins in NJ.
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The only place ZERO won was where he never went.
NJ is huge. No lib on this board can spin that won. VA by 20 is just embarassing.
My county of the Clintons, Soros', Stewarts, Gears', et al will now have gun shows!
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The only place ZERO won was where he never went.
lol.... very sad, and very true. Reminds me of one report I saw on Rudy Guiliani during the election... showed his numbers going up where he didn't visit, and dropping where he did campaign. He got the flu over christmas and his numbers went up also.
Sometimes people are just sick of a certain personality. Obama might be at a point in that area - where they know wall street and the economy better than the rest of the nation - where they're ready for change. The anti-Obama vote might be as big as the anti-bush vote in the coming years.
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lol.... very sad, and very true. Reminds me of one report I saw on Rudy Guiliani during the election... showed his numbers going up where he didn't visit, and dropping where he did campaign. He got the flu over christmas and his numbers went up also.
Sometimes people are just sick of a certain personality. Obama might be at a point in that area - where they know wall street and the economy better than the rest of the nation - where they're ready for change. The anti-Obama vote might be as big as the anti-bush vote in the coming years.
240 - Obama made his choice. I made mine.
He choose Goldman Sachs/GE/Soros/Citi/BOA et al
I am choosing otherwise and will do whatever I can to defeat this corporate communism.
He has accomplished a complete revival of the GOP with his marxist nonsense.
In Obama's words:
"I'M FIRED UP, READY TO GO! ! ! ! "
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What an idiot. Last time I checked, Govs did not have a vote in Congress which is responsible for approving the POTUS agenda.
Nice try. Come back when the GOP wins something relevant.
Hey dildo,governor is one of 50 dumb fuck.They control the agenda of the states you stupid fuck.The DEMS GOT CURSHED in two states that went to that filthy little man child Hussein Obama.Now,run along little man and let the big people talk dum fuck.
Hmmm,lets see,one of 50 who makes law for his state and controlls state budgets,or one of over 300.Good try .
you=fail as usual.Dunce.
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Hey dildo,governor is one of 50 dumb fuck.They control the agenda of the states you stupid fuck.
i think gov is a very important job.
However, in terms of implementing major changes that affect all americans, senators are more powerful.
In the next year, changes may be made to healthcare, cap/trade, and other issues which the governors are powerless to stop. While they are very good at managing states and all that, they can't start/stop wars. They can't create social security or healthcare. They can't do a thing to stop obama, while the 535 in congress can.
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i think gov is a very important job.
However, in terms of implementing major changes that affect all americans, senators are more powerful.
In the next year, changes may be made to healthcare, cap/trade, and other issues which the governors are powerless to stop. While they are very good at managing states and all that, they can't start/stop wars. They can't create social security or healthcare. They can't do a thing to stop obama, while the 535 in congress can.
Dont hold your breath waiting for Free healthcare. Its DOA. Cap & trade is DOA. The marxist agenda is DOA.
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i think gov is a very important job.
However, in terms of implementing major changes that affect all americans, senators are more powerful.
In the next year, changes may be made to healthcare, cap/trade, and other issues which the governors are powerless to stop. While they are very good at managing states and all that, they can't start/stop wars. They can't create social security or healthcare. They can't do a thing to stop obama, while the 535 in congress can.
Senators are FAR more important then Congressman.You may be right that they are more powerfull then a governor.However,for ANYONE to imply a congressman is more powerfull then a governor is just plain stupid.Perhaps someone can name the congressman that came right out of the congress and became president.There is a reason why.
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Senators are FAR more important then Congressman.You may be right that they are more powerfull then a governor.However,for ANYONE to imply a congressman is more powerfull then a governor is just plain stupid.Perhaps someone can name the congressman that came right out of the congress and became president.There is a reason why.
IMO, as a whole, congressmen are more powerful than the group of governors.
They have just as much say in starting wars, health care, cap/trade, etc etc, as senators. Everything the senate sees must pass the house first.
I wish the governors had more power, as they are really more independent and more in touch with the needs of the people. They wield a huge sword in their own state borders. But their changes don't seem to be as permanent. You can't "undo" universal healthcare, social security, medicare, or Iraq, like you can change state law on things.
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Hey dildo,governor is one of 50 dumb fuck.They control the agenda of the states you stupid fuck.The DEMS GOT CURSHED in two states that went to that filthy little man child Hussein Obama.Now,run along little man and let the big people talk dum fuck.
Hmmm,lets see,one of 50 who makes law for his state and controlls state budgets,or one of over 300.Good try .
you=fail as usual.Dunce.
Hey Penis Breath,
Last time I checked - yeah repeating myself once again for the slow people around here ::) - govs didn't have a vote or say so in Congress. Congress is the one responsible for working with or against the POTUS.
Which is more important? Someone that makes laws and changes for a single state or someone that has a direct effect on the efforts of one man to make laws and changes for the entire country?
YOU = FAILING DUMB FUCK.
But nice try. I know you have to have something to hold on to so you can sleep at night.
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Hey Penis Breath,
Last time I checked - yeah repeating myself once again for the slow people around here ::) - govs didn't have a vote or say so in Congress. Congress is the one responsible for working with or against the POTUS.
Which is more important? Someone that makes laws and changes for a single state or someone that has a direct effect on the efforts of one man to make laws and changes for the entire country?
YOU = FAILING DUMB FUCK.
But nice try. I know you have to have something to hold on to so you can sleep at night.
Hey stupid ass,do you live in a state?I think you do?Did Bush have a republican congress his last few years in office?Did they stop the war?Did they raise or lower taxes?Did they do ANYTHING?Now,I know you Obama voters are very very stupid and anti-white,but a governor has FAR more say over your life then ANY congressman does.He can raise state taxes,decides where education money goes,roads,and any number of things.
YOU are BY FAR the dumbest idiot on here.You argue things that cant be argued.Ever hear of a governor dropping down to become a congressman?Or does it normally work the other way around?Your a dunce and prove so everyday.You little race traitor.
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Hey stupid ass,do you live in a state?I think you do?Did Bush have a republican congress his last few years in office?Did they stop the war?Did they raise or lower taxes?Did they do ANYTHING?Now,I know you Obama voters are very very stupid and anti-white,but a governor has FAR more say over your life then ANY congressman does.He can raise state taxes,decides where education money goes,roads,and any number of things.
YOU are BY FAR the dumbest idiot on here.You argue things that cant be argued.Ever hear of a governor dropping down to become a congressman?Or does it normally work the other way around?Your a dunce and prove so everyday.You little race traitor.
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Hey stupid ass,do you live in a state?I think you do?Did Bush have a republican congress his last few years in office?Did they stop the war?Did they raise or lower taxes?Did they do ANYTHING?Now,I know you Obama voters are very very stupid and anti-white,but a governor has FAR more say over your life then ANY congressman does.He can raise state taxes,decides where education money goes,roads,and any number of things.
YOU are BY FAR the dumbest idiot on here.You argue things that cant be argued.Ever hear of a governor dropping down to become a congressman?Or does it normally work the other way around?Your a dunce and prove so everyday.You little race traitor.
*YAWN*
I never heard of a gov dropping out and quitting either. Oh wait... I have.
This issue here wasn't whether or not govs had more influence over me. But whether they had more influence over Congress than Senators and Reps. Which they don't.
Of course with you, it is all about race. Boo Fucking Hoo.
YOU = FAIL
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IMO, as a whole, congressmen are more powerful than the group of governors.
They have just as much say in starting wars, health care, cap/trade, etc etc, as senators. Everything the senate sees must pass the house first.
I wish the governors had more power, as they are really more independent and more in touch with the needs of the people. They wield a huge sword in their own state borders. But their changes don't seem to be as permanent. You can't "undo" universal healthcare, social security, medicare, or Iraq, like you can change state law on things.
Common sense has the same effect on Repubs that sunlight has on vampires.
Don't waste your time pointing out something that anyone with more braincells than a fruit fly would understand.
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*YAWN*
I never heard of a gov dropping out and quitting either. Oh wait... I have.
This issue here wasn't whether or not govs had more influence over me. But whether they had more influence over Congress than Senators and Reps. Which they don't.
Of course with you, it is all about race. Boo Fucking Hoo.
YOU = FAIL
Make your choice Lurker.
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For Congress, I would take the one that isn't an airhead bimbo and would be quitting in 6 months.
The fact that you place more emphasis on looks than experience only shows what an uninformed voter you are. Which will be exactly why you will be crying and I will be laughing at you in 2012 when Palin's campaign crashes and burns and she is the first one to drop out in the primaries.
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For Congress, I would take the one that isn't an airhead bimbo and would be quitting in 6 months.
The fact that you place more emphasis on looks than experience only shows what an uninformed voter you are. Which will be exactly why you will be crying and I will be laughing at you in 2012 when Palin's campaign crashes and burns and she is the first one to drop out in the primaries.
Ha Ha: Come on Lurker: Lets vote:
ET or the Milf?
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What am I voting for? To marry or to be in Congress?
Experience matters. If you had to have a heart transplant which would be more important to you? Looks or experience?
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What am I voting for? To marry or to be in Congress?
Experience matters. If you had to have a heart transplant which would be more important to you? Looks or experience?
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MAKE YOUR CHOICE LURKER;
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What am I voting for? To marry or to be in Congress?
Experience matters. If you had to have a heart transplant which would be more important to you? Looks or experience?
So NOW experience matters.When the little man child community organiser was running it meant nothing.Good point.
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*YAWN*
I never heard of a gov dropping out and quitting either. Oh wait... I have.
This issue here wasn't whether or not govs had more influence over me. But whether they had more influence over Congress than Senators and Reps. Which they don't.
Of course with you, it is all about race. Boo Fucking Hoo.
YOU = FAIL
With me its all about race?Do I hang out with Rev. Wright,Malik Shabazz,Gates,Van Jones,drop charges against the black panthers?I thought it was Obama who is all about race.
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What am I voting for? To marry or to be in Congress?
Experience matters. If you had to have a heart transplant which would be more important to you? Looks or experience?
Pelosi is doing such a bang up job!
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With me its all about race?Do I hang out with Rev. Wright,Malik Shabazz,Gates,Van Jones,drop charges against the black panthers?I thought it was Obama who is all about race.
The fact you call someone a race traitor only shows that you actually prefer that they are a racist, but only to their own skin color that you share.
Hypocrisy is the bear trap that dumb ass Republicans get their foot caught in each time.
Welcome to FAILSVILLE
Population = YOU
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The fact you call someone a race traitor only shows that you actually prefer that they are a racist, but only to their own skin color that you share.
Hypocrisy is the bear trap that dumb ass Republicans get their foot caught in each time.
Welcome to FAILSVILLE
Population = YOU
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Face of Dem party.
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This is the face of the GOP :
oh wait... who was it again? That's right... they don't have one.
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Pelosi is right behind Biden in succession to POTUS
Palin quit halfway through her first term as Governor of a state with a population of < 700,000 people
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Pelosi is right behind Biden in succession to POTUS
Palin quit halfway through her first term as Governor of a state with a population of < 700,000 people
I think people revert to comparing looks when credentials wouldn't exactly go their way.
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I think people revert to comparing looks when credentials wouldn't exactly go their way.
Why not? Thats why people voted for your hero no? He certainly had no experience or credentials to run on, AND IT SHOWS!
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The fact you call someone a race traitor only shows that you actually prefer that they are a racist, but only to their own skin color that you share.
Hypocrisy is the bear trap that dumb ass Republicans get their foot caught in each time.
Welcome to FAILSVILLE
Population = YOU
Your a race traitor because Obama spits on your race and yet you love him for it.ANY white man that said "the black mans laziness is why America fails" you would scream "RACIST".However,Obama says "the white mans greed runs a world in need" and you say 'HE DIDNT MEAN IT.
A white politician was in a church where David Duke preached you would scream "RACIST" Obama sits in Rev. Wrights church you say "he did it for political reasons".
You HATE your own race and support a racist who hates your race.Your a filthy little race traitor,who will swing on the day of the rope
YOU=GUTLESS COWARD AND SPOOK LOVER
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Your a race traitor because Obama spits on your race and yet you love him for it.ANY white man that said "the black mans laziness is why America fails" you would scream "RACIST".However,Obama says "the white mans greed runs a world in need" and you say 'HE DIDNT MEAN IT.
A white politician was in a church where David Duke preached you would scream "RACIST" Obama sits in Rev. Wrights church you say "he did it for political reasons".
You HATE your own race and support a racist who hates your race.Your a filthy little race traitor,who will swing on the day of the rope
YOU=GUTLESS COWARD AND SPOOK LOVER
But yet the prior post by you to this one said :
With me its all about race?
You = PWNED by your own stupidity and inconsistent debate logic. Tell me something... does it take much practice to get this stupid or does it come natural for you?
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Pelosi is right behind Biden in succession to POTUS
Palin quit halfway through her first term as Governor of a state with a population of < 700,000 people
Give her some credit. She's been a quitter her whole life, at least she was nothing else but consistent.
I think people revert to comparing looks when credentials wouldn't exactly go their way.
So elections for the leaders of this country should be run in the same elimination format as a beauty pagent.
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Give her some credit. She's been a quitter her whole life, at least she was nothing else but consistent.
So elections for the leaders of this country should be run in the same elimination format as a beauty pagent.
Why not? Thats why most people voted for Obama over Hillary and why many voted for him in the general election.
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Comparing Obama/Hillary to Palin/anyone is not exactly good for your argument.
Considering that Palin is a known and proven quitter and the other's are not.
But hey, if you want to entrust the future of this nation to whoever looks good in high heel shoes, a swimsuit and big hair.... well you should have voted for Rudy.
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Comparing Obama/Hillary to Palin/anyone is not exactly good for your argument.
Considering that Palin is a known and proven quitter and the other's are not.
But hey, if you want to entrust the future of this nation to whoever looks good in high heel shoes, a swimsuit and big hair.... well you should have voted for Rudy.
Far better than a marxist idiot.
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Well why didn't you support Rudy then? He meets your visual qualifications of being the prettiest of them all.
Why complaining about it now, a year after the fact of it all being said and done? Do you just like complaining? Or is your real frustration stemming from knowing that all the complaining in the world isn't going to change anything?
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Well why didn't you support Rudy then? He meets your visual qualifications of being the prettiest of them all.
This is what you said he stated as his qualifications....."looks good in high heel shoes, a swimsuit and big hair.... " So you consider Rudy superior to Palin in that regard? That is an epic selfowning...
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Well why didn't you support Rudy then? He meets your visual qualifications of being the prettiest of them all.
Why complaining about it now, a year after the fact of it all being said and done? Do you just like complaining? Or is your real frustration stemming from knowing that all the complaining in the world isn't going to change anything?
Ha ha. The socialists where I live were ousted, in NJ and VA as well, and 2010 is going to make 1994 look like nothing.
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But yet the prior post by you to this one said :
You = PWNED by your own stupidity and inconsistent debate logic. Tell me something... does it take much practice to get this stupid or does it come natural for you?
Tell me something ,does black cum taste good?Too bad your mother didnt abort you when she had the chance.
I speak of race AFTER Obama PROVES to me he hates whites.I guess being pals with Wright,Malik Shabazz,Gates,Van Jones just means he is a good man,very open minded.Your toungue is so far up his ass you can probably tell what he ate a week ago.
Keep thinking he likes you,while he steals your money,rights and liberty away and gives it to his people.Your a brilliant guy.So blinded by your white guilt you support a guy who blames YOUR RACE for the world ills.Sad,pathetic,weak minded pussy.But very typical of most weak minded,guilt ridden whites.Jump up and down and find racism behind every word and sentance by whites,but a black guy slaps you in the face,calls you cracker,and you think "geez it must be my fault he hates me".What a little girl.
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This is what you said he stated as his qualifications....."looks good in high heel shoes, a swimsuit and big hair.... " So you consider Rudy superior to Palin in that regard? That is an epic selfowning...
Was Palin running in the 2008 Primaries? Did you find her name somewhere as a choice?
You were saying something about "epic selfowning..." but now you are showing it.
Come back, try again.
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Tell me something ,does black cum taste good?Too bad your mother didnt abort you when she had the chance.
I speak of race AFTER Obama PROVES to me he hates whites.I guess being pals with Wright,Malik Shabazz,Gates,Van Jones just means he is a good man,very open minded.Your toungue is so far up his ass you can probably tell what he ate a week ago.
Keep thinking he likes you,while he steals your money,rights and liberty away and gives it to his people.Your a brilliant guy.So blinded by your white guilt you support a guy who blames YOUR RACE for the world ills.Sad,pathetic,weak minded pussy.But very typical of most weak minded,guilt ridden whites.Jump up and down and find racism behind every word and sentance by whites,but a black guy slaps you in the face,calls you cracker,and you think "geez it must be my fault he hates me".What a little ####.
Your only response to your previous meltdown logic is..... another meltdown?
Um, ok. Whatever. Try again. While you never make any sense - nor are expected to - it is still mildly amusing to watch your flailing away.
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Here is your qoute....
But hey, if you want to entrust the future of this nation to whoever looks good in high heel shoes, a swimsuit and big hair.... well you should have voted for Rudy.
You were clearly referring to Palin. Try to whine your way out of it anyway you want....thats par for the course for your type.....but you admitted you think Rudy would look better in high heels than Palin. hahaha
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Your only response to your previous meltdown logic is..... another meltdown?
Um, ok. Whatever. Try again. While you never make any sense - nor are expected to - it is still mildly amusing to watch your flailing away.
Again,please tell me if Obama is a racist.I have given you his relationships,his own words,his actions.You insult me.You cant defend him.You are a guilty little cracker.
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Here is your qoute....
You were clearly referring to Palin. Try to whine your way out of it anyway you want....thats par for the course for your type.....but you admitted you think Rudy would look better in high heels than Palin. hahaha
Notice those little words of "should have" in that statement? Here, let me bold it for you.
well you should have voted for Rudy.
Should have = past tense
2008 primaries = past
Was Palin in the 2008 primaries?
You = Stupid - Past, present and future tense.
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Again,please tell me if Obama is a racist.I have given you his relationships,his own words,his actions.You insult me.You cant defend him.You are a guilty little cracker.
Not as big of a racist as you. If he is at all.
Not only are you a racist, but an insecure frustrated one at that.
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Give her some credit. She's been a quitter her whole life, at least she was nothing else but consistent.
So elections for the leaders of this country should be run in the same elimination format as a beauty pagent.
when you look at responses from 333 and Billy you realize you're wasting time talking to complete morons
no joke
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when you look at responses from 333 and Billy you realize you're wasting time talking to complete morons
no joke
So says the brain dead moron who has cheered on every failed scheme of this Admn. that I told you would fail miserably.
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when you look at responses from 333 and Billy you realize you're wasting time talking to complete morons
no joke
+1
Watch, this will make him post some random pic of nothingness for the 12,720,182 time on here and think he made some kind of point.
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Not as big of a racist as you. If he is at all.
Not only are you a racist, but an insecure frustrated one at that.
Did I sit in a church and listen to Rev. Wright for twenty years and then LIE about it and say "I dont beleve that".Am I friends with Malik Shabazz?Am I friends with Van Jones?Jesse Jackson?Sotomayor?Gates?
Im a goofball powerlifter.Who cares if Im a racist.If Im racist it has NO effect on your life.You,the stupid dunce,supports a man who hates you,makes laws for you.So,you and that fool Straw think your open minded,but who is the idiot?Guys who vote for,support and love a man who hates their race or guys who see through a racists smile?He just passed more hate crimes laws.There are 36,000 black on white rapes in this country and ZERO white on black rapes.Lets sit back and see how many of these blacks are prosecuted for hate crimes.
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Did I sit in a church and listen to Rev. Wright for twenty years and then LIE about it and say "I dont beleve that".Am I friends with Malik Shabazz?Am I friends with Van Jones?Jesse Jackson?Sotomayor?Gates?
Im a goofball powerlifter.Who cares if Im a racist.If Im racist it has NO effect on your life.You,the stupid dunce,supports a man who hates you,makes laws for you.So,you and that fool Straw think your open minded,but who is the idiot?Guys who vote for,support and love a man who hates their race or guys who see through a racists smile?He just passed more hate crimes laws.There are 36,000 black on white rapes in this country and ZERO white on black rapes.Lets sit back and see how many of these blacks are prosecuted for hate crimes.
QFT
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Watch, this will make him post some random pic of nothingness for the 12,720,182 time on here and think he made some kind of point.
HERE IS THE ONLY THING YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND AND REALIZE. OBAMA = FAILURE
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Who cares if Im a racist.
No one.
Unless they are a racist themselves. Which explains your obsession with crying about "Obama race this" and "Obama race that" while getting caught in the hypocrisy of your own statements immediately afterwards.
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No one.
Unless they are a racist themselves. Which explains your obsession with crying about "Obama race this" and "Obama race that" while getting caught in the hypocrisy of your own statements immediately afterwards.
Again,if Im racist it means nothing.If Obama is racist,he makes laws based on his racism.THATS important.Its also important to note the media portrays him as post-racial,when,in fact he is nothing BUT race.Knock him and they cry racism.The Gates issue spoke volumes about his where his heart is.
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Again,if Im racist it means nothing.If Obama is racist,he makes laws based on his racism.THATS important.Its also important to note the media portrays him as post-racial,when,in fact he is nothing BUT race.Knock him and they cry racism.The Gates issue spoke volumes about his where his heart is.
Billy: Check out the crap Obama is pulling in Westchester where I live. I just posted a thread on this.
Its unbelivable.
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Why not? Thats why people voted for your hero no? He certainly had no experience or credentials to run on, AND IT SHOWS!
both parties had a weak candidate with weak credentials.
VP is just as important as prez when mccain is 72 with 4x bouts of illness.
Some people felt obama's 10 years in senates wasn't enough. others felt palin's 18 months as governor was inadequate.
weirdly... many would have elected hilary over mccain despite her having less experience than obama. go figure. neither party ran the best choice.