What is the message of tonights' election?

[Straw Man]

The republican party in upstate NY screwed themselves by nominating a liberal republican in the first place.  Despite people's frustrations, good candidates still need to be nominated.  It looks like the divide between Hoffman supporters and Scozzafava... caused the repbulicans to loose the election.  
The republicans have to put forward the right people if they want to capitalize on the current opportunity.
Hoffman probably was too conservative for the moderates and Scozzafava was too liberal for all republicans.

How is Scozzafava republican anyway, she is not a fiscal or social conservative...?

All Politics are local.  This district voted for a Dem for the first time in 140+ year but most likely would have preferred a moderate Repub

Scozzafava most likely would have won and when she got to Congress she probably would have joined the hive mind of the Repubs and voted with them

[Soul Crusher]

Hardly. Turn out for that election was light because not too many people cared about. Just two reasons why it couldn't be considered indicative of future trends. Hoffman's race was more important. He had the nation's attention and conservative talk radio in his back pocket. If you insist on using any of these elections as a litmus test, then that would be the one.

That being said, politics is cyclical and reactionary, so the conservatives should make at least minimal headway next year, especially if the economy does not rebound strongly. Last night, however, is not a strong argument for that, though.

And VA & NJ???

[shootfighter1]

The elections are certainly about local feelings but in this case probably is somewhat reflective of the loud big government push by the liberals in Washington.
We'll know a hell of a lot more in 2010.  Even if the economy improves (which is the #1 issue), I still think republicans will win more seats because the dems are creating massive deficits and are expanding government.  That is a significant issue.  Lots of independents are pissed this administration has been far more liberal in it's agenda than they thought.

[BM OUT]

+1

How did the makeup of CONGRESS change again?

Ummm... welll....  you know there was that one time.....   so umm.....  HEY COUNTY EXECUTIVE OF WESTCHESTER COUNTY WENT TO GOP!!!!  YEAH BABY, THAT'S A MESSAGE.....  LIBERALS ARE DYING OVER THIS.....   YEAH MAN!!!!!!

 

Gee what a dick.Governor is FAR more important then congress.We knocked out the bluest of blue states in New Jersey where the all mighty Obama was in there at least 5 times.He didnt do a freaking thing.

Now,upstate NY didnt have a primary.They put in a filthy lib.Had they had a primary Suzzbagafano wouldnt have won.We ran a conservative with ZERO charisma,zero expierance,zero backing until the very end and almost won despite the idiot "republican"throwing her support behind the democrat.

Health care is dead,cap and trade is dead.Obama is a do nothing little man child who has failed and will continue to fail.Cant get health care done with a 60 vote majority in the senate and a 41 or so advantage in the house.He has failed.

[Al Doggity]

And VA & NJ???

Obama's popularity is extremely high in NJ. That election was a rejection of Corzine. He was never exactly beloved.

I haven't really been following commentary that closely, but everyone agrees that turn out was light across the board. Conservatives were mobilized in an effort to create a referendum that never materialized. Most people stayed home.

[Soul Crusher]

Obama's popularity is extremely high in NJ. That election was a rejection of Corzine. He was never exactly beloved.

I haven't really been following commentary that closely, but everyone agrees that turn out was light across the board. Conservatives were mobilized in an effort to create a referendum that never materialized. Most people stayed home.

Unreal. 

Al - I have to post this, but you earned it:

[Al Doggity]

Unreal. 

Al - I have to post this, but you earned it:

  

[Straw Man]

Unreal. 
Al - I have to post this, but you earned it:

dude - you're the last person who should be posting that

[Straw Man]

Hardly. Turn out for that election was light because not too many people cared about. Just two reasons why it couldn't be considered indicative of fu4ture trends. Hoffman's race was more important. He had the nation's attention and conservative talk radio in his back pocket. If you insist on using any of these elections as a litmus test, then that would be the one.

That being said, politics is cyclical and reactionary, so the conservatives should make at least minimal headway next year, especially if the economy does not rebound strongly. Last night, however, is not a strong argument for that, though.

This is exactly right.

This race was the litmus test for who will control the Republican Party.   When this district was given the choice of what was essentially a Tea Party candidate they voted for a Dem for the first time in 100+ years.   

[Soul Crusher]

dude - you're the last person who should be posting that

Ha ha - spoke from the guy:

1.  Who cheerleaded the Stimulus - FAIL
2.  Cheerleaded C4C - FAIL
3.  Cheerleaded ObamaCare - FAIL
4.  Chearleaded bailout of GM - FAIL
 

[BM OUT]

This is exactly right.

This race was the litmus test for who will control the Republican Party.   When this district was given the choice of what was essentially a Tea Party candidate they voted for a Dem for the first time in 100+ years.   

The Corzine race was BY FAR more watched,more important and spoke volumes.The congressional race was foccused on the last two weeks because the libs tried to play it up as a rift in the republican party.

Obama won NJ with close to 60% in the last election.Corzine,the tax and spend lib,got beat in a state that ALWAYS goes Democratic.Obama obviously thought NJ was WAY more important then NY because he was there 5 times and ZERO times in NY.

[Soul Crusher]

The Corzine race was BY FAR more watched,more important and spoke volumes.The congressional race was foccused on the last two weeks because the libs tried to play it up as a rift in the republican party.

Obama won NJ with close to 60% in the last election.Corzine,the tax and spend lib,got beat in a state that ALWAYS goes Democratic.Obama obviously thought NJ was WAY more important then NY because he was there 5 times and ZERO times in NY.

Damn, if only Dear Leadr had campaigned for Owens, Hoffman would have been a shoe in. 

Picking up NJ is HUGE! 

VA was just an outright embarassment of obama. 

[Straw Man]

Ha ha - spoke from the guy:
1.  Who cheerleaded the Stimulus - FAIL
2.  Cheerleaded C4C - FAIL
3.  Cheerleaded ObamaCare - FAIL
4.  Chearleaded bailout of GM - FAIL

ok - if that makes you feel better.

nuance is not exactly your forte

[dario73]

dude - you're the last person who should be posting that

Nah, actually that image is more applicable to you. You have to be the most idiotic poster on this forum. Seriously, are you that naive?

[Soul Crusher]

Nah, actually that image is more applicable to you. You have to be the most idiotic poster on this forum. Seriously, are you that naive?

[Al Doggity]

The Corzine race was BY FAR more watched,more important and spoke volumes.The congressional race was foccused on the last two weeks because the libs tried to play it up as a rift in the republican party.

Obama won NJ with close to 60% in the last election.Corzine,the tax and spend lib,got beat in a state that ALWAYS goes Democratic.Obama obviously thought NJ was WAY more important then NY because he was there 5 times and ZERO times in NY.

Yes, as I said Obama is extremely popular in New Jersey and Corzine was an embattled governor.

The issue was what these elections meant in a larger context. During the last few election cycles when Bush was president, repub candidates tried to distance themselves from him. Obama's approval ratings in New Jersey are still astronomical and and no doubt helped him. His loss isn't NECESSARILY a reflection of a changing political tide. Corzine was a rather unpopular incumbent who lost n his own.

[Al Doggity]

You certainly have an extensive collection of forum pics. 

[Soul Crusher]

Yes, as I said Obama is extremely popular in New Jersey and Corzine was an embattled governor.

The issue was what these elections meant in a larger context. During the last few election cycles when Bush was president, repub candidates tried to distance themselves from him. Obama's approval ratings in New Jersey are still astronomical and and no doubt helped him. His loss isn't NECESSARILY a reflection of a changing political tide. Corzine was a rather unpopular incumbent who lost n his own.

The issue in NJ is that voters are sick of high tax liberal nonsense.  Homeowners cant afford the left wing fantasies anymore.

ONWARD CONSERVATIVE/LIBERTARIAN SOLDIERS TO 2010! 

[BM OUT]

Yes, as I said Obama is extremely popular in New Jersey and Corzine was an embattled governor.

The issue was what these elections meant in a larger context. During the last few election cycles when Bush was president, repub candidates tried to distance themselves from him. Obama's approval ratings in New Jersey are still astronomical and and no doubt helped him. His loss isn't NECESSARILY a reflection of a changing political tide. Corzine was a rather unpopular incumbent who lost n his own.

So he lost on his own.Funny,but his economic plan is EXACTLY the same as Obamas.Both said they are a team.

Now,Obama won Virginia.Last night the democrat lost by 40pts.I guess that means nothing either.Incredible.Even when Obama looses,he wins in the eyes of libs.

[Soul Crusher]

So he lost on his own.Funny,but his economic plan is EXACTLY the same as Obamas.Both said they are a team.

Now,Obama won Virginia.Last night the democrat lost by 40pts.I guess that means nothing either.Incredible.Even when Obama looses,he wins in the eyes of libs.

Christie hit all the local talk radio guys like Levin, Malzberg, Imus, et al.  He was actually a good straight forward guy. 

Obama hurt Corzine more than anything because it reminded voters of the GoldMan Sachs gang and bailouts. 

[Al Doggity]

So he lost on his own.Funny,but his economic plan is EXACTLY the same as Obamas.Both said they are a team.

Now,Obama won Virginia.Last night the democrat lost by 40pts.I guess that means nothing either.Incredible.Even when Obama looses,he wins in the eyes of libs.

You completely misunderstood my last post.

Being that it is perfectly clear and a clarification of a previous post you misunderstood, I'm just gonna advise you to go back and read what they ACTUALLY say.

[Al Doggity]

Christie hit all the local talk radio guys like Levin, Malzberg, Imus, et al.  He was actually a good straight forward guy. 

Obama hurt Corzine more than anything because it reminded voters of the GoldMan Sachs gang and bailouts. 

Not really. Exit polls for both of the races definitively stated that the biggest issues were local. Obama's campaigning helped Corzine's poll numbers. I don't know too much about the VA race, but I do know that the NJ race was way more complex than for/against Obama. I will prob read up on the VA race when I get time.

[Soul Crusher]

Not really. Exit polls for both of the races definitively stated that the biggest issues were local. Obama's campaigning helped Corzine's poll numbers. I don't know too much about the VA race, but I do know that the NJ race was way more complex than for/against Obama. I will prob read up on the VA race when I get time.

Al, I live in Westchester. 

THe taxes imposed by these governments is CRIMINAL! 

We are sick of paying for this garbage.   

[Straw Man]

Nah, actually that image is more applicable to you. You have to be the most idiotic poster on this forum. Seriously, are you that naive?

Who are you - 333 and Billy's retarded love child?

[Al Doggity]

Al, I live in Westchester. 

THe taxes imposed by these governments is CRIMINAL! 

We are sick of paying for this garbage.   

I'm sure you are... and I"m sure there are plenty who feel like you. But that doesn't mean your interpretation of last night's elections is accurate.