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What is the message of tonights' election?
« on: November 03, 2009, 08:44:03 PM »
1.  Lower taxes?

2.  Low turnout and an aberation?

3.  Negative Obama sentiment?

4.  People sick of one party rule?



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Re: What is the message of tonights' election?
« Reply #1 on: November 03, 2009, 08:49:15 PM »
Economic "revolt"..to use the term lossely

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Re: What is the message of tonights' election?
« Reply #2 on: November 03, 2009, 08:56:45 PM »
to early to tell on your options.  half the country didn't even have elections today.  But maybe it is, the half that did is the more liberal half for the most part.  How many third party/independents were elected?  Were there more running?  If no/no, it's not a good sign for me.

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Re: What is the message of tonights' election?
« Reply #3 on: November 03, 2009, 09:05:57 PM »
this can' be a mandate, if 2008 wasn't a mandate.

repubs stayed home in 2008 (18% of 2004 voters) and dems stayed home today.

today looks good for repubs, but 99% of the country ain't following it.

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Re: What is the message of tonights' election?
« Reply #4 on: November 04, 2009, 04:35:11 AM »
this can' be a mandate, if 2008 wasn't a mandate.

repubs stayed home in 2008 (18% of 2004 voters) and dems stayed home today.

today looks good for repubs, but 99% of the country ain't following it.

Ha ha.  What a spin job.  In my 3 to 1 dem county, the GOP pro-gun anti-tax candidate won by 16 points!

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Re: What is the message of tonights' election?
« Reply #5 on: November 04, 2009, 06:13:28 AM »
Republicans won all over the place.The idea no one cares is nuts.Every election besides president ,no one cares.THATS the problem.No one cares until the stupid government steals our money and jams stupid ideas like health care and tax and trade down our throat.

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Re: What is the message of tonights' election?
« Reply #6 on: November 04, 2009, 06:15:27 AM »
Republicans won all over the place.The idea no one cares is nuts.Every election besides president ,no one cares.THATS the problem.No one cares until the stupid government steals our money and jams stupid ideas like health care and tax and trade down our throat.

The libs are all on notice. 

KEEP UP YOUR SHIT AND YOU ARE DONE! 

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Re: What is the message of tonights' election?
« Reply #7 on: November 04, 2009, 06:31:39 AM »
msnbc was talking nonstop last night about how this isn't a mandate.  just like fox did one year ago when dems won in most places.

it's definitely a mandate, and a big statement that ppl are rejecting obama policy, and that the excitement the dems had is gone. 

2008 and 2006 were huge anti-bush mandates also.  Pendulum swings.

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Re: What is the message of tonights' election?
« Reply #8 on: November 04, 2009, 06:33:02 AM »
msnbc was talking nonstop last night about how this isn't a mandate.  just like fox did one year ago when dems won in most places.

it's definitely a mandate, and a big statement that ppl are rejecting obama policy, and that the excitement the dems had is gone. 

2008 and 2006 were huge anti-bush mandates also.  Pendulum swings.

2010 is going to make 1994 look like nothing because Obama/Reid/Pelosi are going to double down on stupidity and arrogance.   

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Re: What is the message of tonights' election?
« Reply #9 on: November 04, 2009, 06:34:33 AM »
msnbc was talking nonstop last night about how this isn't a mandate.  just like fox did one year ago when dems won in most places.

it's definitely a mandate, and a big statement that ppl are rejecting obama policy, and that the excitement the dems had is gone. 

2008 and 2006 were huge anti-bush mandates also.  Pendulum swings.

The problem is the republicans get into power and ALL they care about is staying in power so they go back to giving money away to scum bags.The democrats ALWAYS overreach and think the people want MORE government.If people would govern the way they campaign,it would be nice.

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Re: What is the message of tonights' election?
« Reply #10 on: November 04, 2009, 06:35:09 AM »
2010 is going to make 1994 look like nothing because Obama/Reid/Pelosi are going to double down on stupidity and arrogance.    

make a prediction.  how many congressional seats are up for grabs, and how many will jump from D to r?

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Re: What is the message of tonights' election?
« Reply #11 on: November 04, 2009, 06:37:51 AM »
Was channel surfing while driving today and came across a couple of black dj's talking about the elections.  They said the reason black folk didn't turn out yesterday was because Obama had quit "talking to them."  Said the black are what made the difference in the last election.  More to do with gimpy white, guilt-ridden apologist, but hey thats a topic for another day....anyway....

I'm not sure what they expected, but it's funny that somehow the mere fact that Obama was black and that is why they voted for him, he was going to perform miracles for them.  I think he will cause a large percentage of black voters to stay away in 2012 because their lives won't have changed, or maybe even worse, than in 08.

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Re: What is the message of tonights' election?
« Reply #12 on: November 04, 2009, 07:14:13 AM »
While some of this was certainly about local politics, there is also some truth in this being a referredum on the big government policies persued by the liberals.  People elected Obama as a change from Bush, not because the country has swung that far left.  Obama, Pelosi, Reid, Rangle, Frank...all these guys are too far left for the majority of the country.  As 240 says, it's a pendulum and it's starting to swing if the democrats allow the liberal left to be the loudest voice.

I predict at least 20-25 seats going to republicans in 2010.  People don't like unbalanced government (unless the country is doing very well in it's economic cycle).  The democrats have silenced the republicans in many debates in congress then say the republicans are just the party of no.  That's propaganda, I'm sick of the overt politics and untruths being told.  The repubs have little or no power with their low #s, that's what's happening right now.  If you like big government solutions then Obama and his closest allies are your people.

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Re: What is the message of tonights' election?
« Reply #13 on: November 04, 2009, 07:35:51 AM »
off year elections don't mean much because almost no one votes.

did anyone on this board vote yesterday?

I didn't

the interesting race was NY 23 where the Dem won which hasn't happened since something like the 1870's.

Repubs tried to listen to the people and run a moderate and ran into the wackjob right wing or their party who wanted to run a guy who didn't live in the district, didn't know the issues of the district and who called Glenn Beck his mentor.




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Re: What is the message of tonights' election?
« Reply #14 on: November 04, 2009, 07:38:43 AM »
off year elections don't mean much because almost no one votes.

did anyone on this board vote yesterday?

I didn't

the interesting race was NY 23 where the Dem won which hasn't happened since something like the 1870's.

Repubs tried to listen to the people and run a moderate and ran into the wackjob right wing or their party who wanted to run a guy who didn't live in the district, didn't know the issues of the district and who called Glenn Beck his mentor.





Wednesday, November 04, 2009



The Conservative Victory in New York   [Kathryn Jean Lopez]


From a New York political observer:

The biggest defeat for RINOs in New York wasn't the pre-election collapse of Dede Scozzafava in the 23rd CD. It was tonight's stunning victory by conservative Republican Rob Astorino in the race for County Executive of Westchester County—the affluent and heavily taxed suburb just north of NYC, which has been solidly Democratic for more than a decade. Astorino's victory is a stinging rebuke to the brand of New York Republicanism personified by Assemblywoman Scozzafava, former Gov. (and Westchester native son) George Pataki, and Westchester's famously liberal former state Sen. Nicky Spano of Yonkers, who had endorsed incumbent Democratic County Executive Andy Spano (no relation) and engineered Andy Spano's endorsement by the local Conservative party. Astorino, 42, a county legislator who used to co-host a satellite radio show with Cardinal Egan, happens to be pro-life — but going against the trend established by Pataki and other suburban Republicans in the 1990s, he didn't waver from that position. He knew the pro-choice swing vote in Westchester would be motivated by primarily economic issues. He was right, and has a bright future in statewide politics if he does a good job. An even more stunning Republican showing came in the other big, affluent NYC suburb, Nassau County, where an underfunded Republican named Ed Mangano was — as of midnight — in a dead heat with the charismatic Democratic County Executive Tom Suozzi. Meanwhile, the GOP recaptured control of that county's legislature. Nassau residents apparently were so fed up with the status quo that they may have returned control of county government to the same discredited GOP machine that nearly drove the county into bankruptcy just eight years ago. In a word, Wow.

And from the Westchester Journal News:

Voters rejected the Democratic incumbent’s bid for a fourth term, opting instead for a candidate who pledged to downsize government and cut the highest county taxes in the nation.


“It’s far surpassing anything we expected,” Astorino said after taking Spano’s concession call at the Crowne Plaza Hotel. “But I think the message resonated. People wanted change and they are going to get it starting in January.”


Astorino’s victory came despite Democrats’ 2-1 margin over Republicans among Westchester’s 538,822 registered voters.


With 87 percent of the votes in, Astorino had 58 percent, Spano 42 percent, according to the unofficial results.


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Re: What is the message of tonights' election?
« Reply #15 on: November 04, 2009, 07:47:51 AM »
While some of this was certainly about local politics, there is also some truth in this being a referredum on the big government policies persued by the liberals.  People elected Obama as a change from Bush, not because the country has swung that far left.  Obama, Pelosi, Reid, Rangle, Frank...all these guys are too far left for the majority of the country.  As 240 says, it's a pendulum and it's starting to swing if the democrats allow the liberal left to be the loudest voice.

I predict at least 20-25 seats going to republicans in 2010.  People don't like unbalanced government (unless the country is doing very well in it's economic cycle).  The democrats have silenced the republicans in many debates in congress then say the republicans are just the party of no.  That's propaganda, I'm sick of the overt politics and untruths being told.  The repubs have little or no power with their low #s, that's what's happening right now.  If you like big government solutions then Obama and his closest allies are your people.


I agree a lot with your post.

I think there are a few things the Obama administration has to face.

How much have been accomplished?

But who will win or lose seats remains to be seen.

It all boils down to whether there is any major recovery in time for the election.

If it is - count on the Democrats to get paid off.

If not - they will be punished.


I have no idea whether or not a major recovery will have occured by the time of the election, BTW.
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Re: What is the message of tonights' election?
« Reply #16 on: November 04, 2009, 07:52:43 AM »
yeah County Executive of Wetschester county is HUGE

that's so much more important than winning a seat in Congress



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Re: What is the message of tonights' election?
« Reply #17 on: November 04, 2009, 07:54:54 AM »

I agree a lot with your post.

I think there are a few things the Obama administration has to face.

How much have been accomplished?

But who will win or lose seats remains to be seen.

It all boils down to whether there is any major recovery in time for the election.

If it is - count on the Democrats to get paid off.

If not - they will be punished.


I have no idea whether or not a major recovery will have occured by the time of the election, BTW.

Hedge - its about priorities.  

Obama/Reid/Pelosi have their priorities all screwed up.  

I have said it from day one.  Obama is cluess on the economy, FUCKING CLUELESS!  

Pelosi/Reid are no better.  

BTW - I dont want to hear shit about inheriting this mess.  

1.  Obama voted for every bloated budget and wanted more spending not less.

2.  Voted for TARP and the Bush bailouts.

3.  Put into his cabinet and close advisors the architects of this disaster-  Geithner, Rubin, Summers, and the Goldman Sachs gang.  

4.  Filed lawsuits against banks to increase CRA lending when he was an attorney.  

5.  Is doing everything exactly the same as Bush did.


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Re: What is the message of tonights' election?
« Reply #18 on: November 04, 2009, 07:56:22 AM »
yeah County Executive of Wetschester county is HUGE

that's so much more important than winning a seat in Congress




This is ground ZERO of the lear jet liberal land and a stake was just driven through the heart of the corrupt bloated liberal regime that has caused us to be the highest taxed county in the nation. 

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Re: What is the message of tonights' election?
« Reply #19 on: November 04, 2009, 08:01:59 AM »
off year elections don't mean much because almost no one votes.

did anyone on this board vote yesterday?

I didn't

the interesting race was NY 23 where the Dem won which hasn't happened since something like the 1870's.

Repubs tried to listen to the people and run a moderate and ran into the wackjob right wing or their party who wanted to run a guy who didn't live in the district, didn't know the issues of the district and who called Glenn Beck his mentor.





You have ZERO idea of what your talking about.Suzzbagafazo wasnt a moderate.She was a liberal.So liberal THE DEMOCRAT ran ads calling her a tax and spend lib.So,she wasnt a moderate at all.In fact she endorsed the democrat.

Number two,the conservative wasnt even in the running a month ago.No one knew him.Palin went up and endorsed him and he gained about 15 pts right away.It was Palin that ran SCUZZBAGAFANO OUT OF THE RACE AND OUT OF THE PARTY!!!Thank God.That republican would have voted with Obama anyway.

This was a great moment for republicans.We ran a filthy fat lib out of the party,and almost won with a third part ticket that was an unkown a month ago.This was a HUGE wakeup call to fools like McCain and the rest of the libs .GET OUT!!!

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Re: What is the message of tonights' election?
« Reply #20 on: November 04, 2009, 08:05:22 AM »
This is ground ZERO of the lear jet liberal land and a stake was just driven through the heart of the corrupt bloated liberal regime that has caused us to be the highest taxed county in the nation. 

ground zero?

OK - if that makes you feel better about losing in NY 23

I guess it's a good thing that Palin didn't endorse Astorino




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Re: What is the message of tonights' election?
« Reply #21 on: November 04, 2009, 08:10:42 AM »
You have ZERO idea of what your talking about.Suzzbagafazo wasnt a moderate.She was a liberal.So liberal THE DEMOCRAT ran ads calling her a tax and spend lib.So,she wasnt a moderate at all.In fact she endorsed the democrat.

Number two,the conservative wasnt even in the running a month ago.No one knew him.Palin went up and endorsed him and he gained about 15 pts right away.It was Palin that ran SCUZZBAGAFANO OUT OF THE RACE AND OUT OF THE PARTY!!!Thank God.That republican would have voted with Obama anyway.

This was a great moment for republicans.We ran a filthy fat lib out of the party,and almost won with a third part ticket that was an unkown a month ago.This was a HUGE wakeup call to fools like McCain and the rest of the libs .GET OUT!!!

you're right - putting a DEM in office for the first time in about 140 years is a HUGE vicory for the Repubs.



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Re: What is the message of tonights' election?
« Reply #22 on: November 04, 2009, 08:16:58 AM »
The republican party in upstate NY screwed themselves by nominating a liberal republican in the first place.  Despite people's frustrations, good candidates still need to be nominated.  It looks like the divide between Hoffman supporters and Scozzafava... caused the repbulicans to loose the election.  
The republicans have to put forward the right people if they want to capitalize on the current opportunity.
Hoffman probably was too conservative for the moderates and Scozzafava was too liberal for all republicans.

How is Scozzafava republican anyway, she is not a fiscal or social conservative...?

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Re: What is the message of tonights' election?
« Reply #23 on: November 04, 2009, 08:18:55 AM »
you're right - putting a DEM in office for the first time in about 140 years is a HUGE vicory for the Repubs.




+1

How did the makeup of CONGRESS change again?

Ummm... welll....  you know there was that one time.....   so umm.....  HEY COUNTY EXECUTIVE OF WESTCHESTER COUNTY WENT TO GOP!!!!  YEAH BABY, THAT'S A MESSAGE.....  LIBERALS ARE DYING OVER THIS.....   YEAH MAN!!!!!!

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Re: What is the message of tonights' election?
« Reply #24 on: November 04, 2009, 08:20:35 AM »
This is ground ZERO of the lear jet liberal land and a stake was just driven through the heart of the corrupt bloated liberal regime that has caused us to be the highest taxed county in the nation. 

 ::) Hardly. Turn out for that election was light because not too many people cared about. Just two reasons why it couldn't be considered indicative of future trends. Hoffman's race was more important. He had the nation's attention and conservative talk radio in his back pocket. If you insist on using any of these elections as a litmus test, then that would be the one.

That being said, politics is cyclical and reactionary, so the conservatives should make at least minimal headway next year, especially if the economy does not rebound strongly. Last night, however, is not a strong argument for that, though.