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Defeat in Maine a harsh blow to gay-marriage drive
AP via Google ^ | 5 hours ago Nov 4 2009 | DAVID CRARY
Posted on Wednesday, November 04, 2009 9:11:55 AM by GonzoII
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The stars seemed aligned for supporters of gay marriage. They had Maine's governor, legislative leaders and major newspapers on their side, plus a huge edge in campaign funding. So losing a landmark referendum was a devastating blow, for activists in Maine and nationwide.
In an election that had been billed for weeks as too close to call, Maine's often unpredictable voters repealed a state law Tuesday that would have allowed same-sex couples to wed. Gay marriage has now lost in all 31 states in which it has been put to a popular vote — a trend that the gay-rights movement had believed it could end in Maine.
"Today's heartbreaking defeat unfortunately shows that lies and fear can still win at the ballot box," said Rea Carey, executive director of the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force.
With 87 percent of the precincts reporting, gay-marriage foes had 53 percent of the vote. They prevailed in many of Maine's far-flung small towns and lost by a less-than-expected margin in the state's biggest city, Portland.
"The institution of marriage has been preserved in Maine and across the nation," declared Frank Schubert, chief organizer for the winning side.
Attention will now turn to other states, including California — where Schubert was an instrumental strategist a year ago in the successful campaign to overturn cost-ordered same-sex marriage.
Gay-rights activists have been planning to go back to the ballot in California, either in 2010 or 2012, in another attempt to legalize gay marriage. But the Maine result was not the victory they had been hoping for to fire up their troops.
Brian Brown of the National Organization for Marriage, a conservative group that steered substantial funds to fight gay marriage in both California and Maine, was
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people dont like fags!!!!Ive said it again and again and again.The media and the libs can try to normalise it until they are blue in the face,NO ONE LIKES FAGS!!
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Many people would support gay unions with benefits but not redefining marriage. That's the way it should be IMO. I'm fine with gay couples having similar rights but marriage is a definition between a man and woman and intended to help propogate the species in a balanced initial environment.
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Defeat in Maine a harsh blow to gay-marriage drive
AP via Google ^ | 5 hours ago Nov 4 2009 | DAVID CRARY
Posted on Wednesday, November 04, 2009 9:11:55 AM by GonzoII
________________________ ________________________ ___________________
The stars seemed aligned for supporters of gay marriage. They had Maine's governor, legislative leaders and major newspapers on their side, plus a huge edge in campaign funding. So losing a landmark referendum was a devastating blow, for activists in Maine and nationwide.
In an election that had been billed for weeks as too close to call, Maine's often unpredictable voters repealed a state law Tuesday that would have allowed same-sex couples to wed. Gay marriage has now lost in all 31 states in which it has been put to a popular vote — a trend that the gay-rights movement had believed it could end in Maine.
"Today's heartbreaking defeat unfortunately shows that lies and fear can still win at the ballot box," said Rea Carey, executive director of the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force.
With 87 percent of the precincts reporting, gay-marriage foes had 53 percent of the vote. They prevailed in many of Maine's far-flung small towns and lost by a less-than-expected margin in the state's biggest city, Portland.
"The institution of marriage has been preserved in Maine and across the nation," declared Frank Schubert, chief organizer for the winning side.
Attention will now turn to other states, including California — where Schubert was an instrumental strategist a year ago in the successful campaign to overturn cost-ordered same-sex marriage.
Gay-rights activists have been planning to go back to the ballot in California, either in 2010 or 2012, in another attempt to legalize gay marriage. But the Maine result was not the victory they had been hoping for to fire up their troops.
Brian Brown of the National Organization for Marriage, a conservative group that steered substantial funds to fight gay marriage in both California and Maine, was
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"Lies and fear" don't work 31 straight times. Someone might want to inform Ms. Carey of that. They come up with that excuse, every time they lose.
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If the GOP runs on a truly conservative platform, anti-tax, pro-growth, pro-jobs, message in 2010, Pelosi/Reid/Obama will be sent packing for Cuba.
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Liberals can't seem to get over the fact that this country was founded upon Christian principles. The majority of Americans support traditional marriage. End of story.
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If the GOP runs on a truly conservative platform, anti-tax, pro-growth, pro-jobs, message in 2010, Pelosi/Reid/Obama will be sent packing for Cuba.
Throw in the pro-life and traditional marriage items for good measures, and that should do it.
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Liberals can't seem to get over the fact that this country was founded upon Christian principles. The majority of Americans support traditional marriage. End of story.
I want a conservative pro-growth, economic commo sense, pro-freedom, pro-small business, pro-1st and 2nd amendment, tradional values, type of guy/gal to get up there.
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people dont like fags!!!!Ive said it again and again and again.The media and the libs can try to normalise it until they are blue in the face,NO ONE LIKES FAGS!!
tell us how you really feel
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tell us how you really feel
I hope the Dems keep it up and keep pissing people off.
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If u run like the new gov in Virginia, then u will win. He didn't run attack ads he ran ads showing how he planned to fix things. Barry will use the same lib chicago attack politics and won't have fixed a thing. He can't run on hope and change.
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people dont like fags!!!!Ive said it again and again and again.The media and the libs can try to normalise it until they are blue in the face,NO ONE LIKES FAGS!!
Fags don't like you either, but I don't see them shitting on your civil rights ::)
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Gay marriage is not a civil right....never has been and doesn't look like it will be any time soon. 31 times....31 times...end it now. Give em civil unions and be done with it.
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Gay marriage is not a civil right....never has been and doesn't look like it will be any time soon. 31 times....31 times...end it now. Give em civil unions and be done with it.
You actually believe the Christo-fascist Far Right won't oppose civil unions with the same vigour they oppose gay marriage? ::)
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The Catholic Church is a powerful force in Maine so when the men in dresses who fuck little altar boys told their parishoners that gay marriage was wrong
and a sin, the rubes in the pews believed it and voted as they had been told.
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The Catholic Church is a powerful force in Maine so when the men in dresses who fuck little altar boys told their parishoners that gay marriage was wrong
and a sin, the rubes in the pews believed it and voted as they had been told.
So true. Gay marriage requires an all-out campaign costing the Church hundreds of millions, but pedophile priests? Just transfer them to another parish. Good to know they have their priorities figured out. ::)
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So true. Gay marriage requires an all-out campaign costing the Church hundreds of millions, but pedophile priests? Just transfer them to another parish. Good to know they have their priorities figured out. ::)
Oh please, face the facts people dont want this shit. In CA gay marriage went down as well.
PEOPLE DONT WANT THIS! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
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Oh please, face the facts people dont want this shit. In CA gay marriage went down as well.
PEOPLE DONT WANT THIS! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
I don't like grown-up people talking to invisible friends either, but that doesn't give me the right to pass a law banning all churches and religions. ::)
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Fags don't like you either, but I don't see them shitting on your civil rights ::)
nobody is shitting on anybodies civil rights maybe you should try and understand the constitution hoss.
as of right now men are all categorized in one category men...this is why you can have gays in mens locker rooms and bathrooms.
You see the govt cannot treat ppl differently but they can break ppl into seperate groups if they treat everyone in that group the same...i.e. tax brackets
by granting gays the right to marriage you have open the door to new laws pertaining to simply gay men and gay women not just men and women.
they already have the same rights as every other men or women in the US they arent being denied anything more then any other man or woman.
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I don't like grown-up people talking to invisible friends either, but that doesn't give me the right to pass a law banning all churches and religions. ::)
again maybe you should try and understand the constitution the reason you dont have the right to pass a law that bans churches and religions is b/c that is a RIGHT GRANTED BY THE CONSTITUTION...
have you ever read the constitution humphrey? I mean honestly?
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nobody is shitting on anybodies civil rights maybe you should try and understand the constitution hoss.
as of right now men are all categorized in one category men...this is why you can have gays in mens locker rooms and bathrooms.
You see the govt cannot treat ppl differently but they can break ppl into seperate groups if they treat everyone in that group the same...i.e. tax brackets
by granting gays the right to marriage you have open the door to new laws pertaining to simply gay men and gay women not just men and women.
they already have the same rights as every other men or women in the US they arent being denied anything more then any other man or woman.
You mean the same constitution that used to keep black people separate from white people? The same constitution that banned interracial marriage? :P
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You mean the same constitution that used to keep black people separate from white people? The same constitution that banned interracial marriage? :P
those were in breach of the constitution brain child and thus got overturned AGAIN you cannot discriminate between ppl but you can break them into groups if you treat each person in the same group equally.
explain to me how not allowing gays to marry breaches the constitution there hoss? im looking foreword to this response
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those were in breach of the constitution brain child and thus got overturned AGAIN you cannot discriminate between ppl but you can break them into groups if you treat each person in the same group equally.
explain to me how not allowing gays to marry breaches the constitution there hoss? im looking foreword to this response
So you are saying the constitutional ban on interracial marriage was in breach of the constitution? :P
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So you are saying the constitutional ban on interracial marriage was in breach of the constitution? :P
yes b/c it was never in doubt the black men and women were still men and women and as the constitution gave men and women the right to marry they logically under the constitution had to give black men and women the right to marry whoever they wanted unless they wanted to create different classes along the lines of race.
again how is not allowing gays to marry breaching the constitution?
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again how is not allowing gays to marry breaching the constitution?
Still waiting humphrey ;)
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You mean the same constitution that used to keep black people separate from white people? The same constitution that banned interracial marriage? :P
Read this really slow: Gays are not a separate race. Any comparison between gay marriage and Miscegenation is stupid.
I sincerely hope that helped.
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Read this really slow: Gays are not a separate race. Any comparison between gay marriage and Miscegenation is stupid.
I sincerely hope that helped.
No one said they were ::) ... but like blacks, gays want legal protection from discrimination and bigotry. Is that OK with you? ::)
Gay couples are still discriminated against by hospitals which don't allow one of them to visit his/her sick or dying partner or make critical decisions about their partner's medical care. They are still being discriminated against when it comes to matters of property ownership and inheritance, etc. Just because you or Ninny Ninmaugh don't want them to have those rights doesn't mean they can't dream... ::)
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No one said they were ::) ... but like blacks, gays want legal protection from discrimination and bigotry. Is that OK with you? ::)
Gay couples are still discriminated against by hospitals which don't allow one of them to visit his/her sick or dying partner or make critical decisions about their partner's medical care. They are still being discriminated against when it comes to matters of property ownership and inheritance, etc. Just because you or Ninny Ninmaugh don't want them to have those rights doesn't mean they can't dream... ::)
You didn't read it slowly enough, SH.
People get all loose with language to advance an idea/cause but at a certain point you're not comparing apples to apples.
I'm all for rights being equal. Really equal, not in disguise based upon bullshit and exploiting people's inherent racism.
More than half of this mess is caused by liberals. Since they're willing to take some responsibility we're (America) not going to ever have an honest discussion on the topic. Until that happens the only way people can speak is with their votes.
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You didn't read it slowly enough, SH.
People get all loose with language to advance an idea/cause but at a certain point you're not comparing apples to apples.
I'm all for rights being equal. Really equal, not in disguise based upon bullshit and exploiting people's inherent racism.
More than half of this mess is caused by liberals. Since they're willing to take some responsibility we're (America) not going to ever have an honest discussion on the topic. Until that happens the only way people can speak is with their votes.
Its amazing how liberals try to lump this issue with race. Gays are not discriminated against by now being allowed to marry any more than I am not allowed to marry two women if I want. If a gay man wants to get married, marry a woman. If he wants to shack up with another man, so be it.
If the voters voted for gay marriage I would not get all up in arms over it. However, for the LGBT crowd to get their panties up in a snitch all the time hurts their cause more than anything.
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Its amazing how liberals try to lump this issue with race. Gays are not discriminated against by now being allowed to marry any more than I am not allowed to marry two women if I want. If a gay man wants to get married, marry a woman. If he wants to shack up with another man, so be it.
If the voters voted for gay marriage I would not get all up in arms over it. However, for the LGBT crowd to get their panties up in a snitch all the time hurts their cause more than anything.
It's because liberals are using political correctness to prevent honest discussion of a topic..... again.
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Its amazing how liberals try to lump this issue with race. Gays are not discriminated against by now being allowed to marry any more than I am not allowed to marry two women if I want. If a gay man wants to get married, marry a woman. If he wants to shack up with another man, so be it.
If the voters voted for gay marriage I would not get all up in arms over it. However, for the LGBT crowd to get their panties up in a snitch all the time hurts their cause more than anything.
Unfortunately, there's a whole lot of gay men, but only five of Cher, Madonna, Bette Midler, Lisa Minelli, and Mariah Carey. :P
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Unfortunately, there's a whole lot of gay men, but only five of Cher, Madonna, Bette Midler, Lisa Minelli, and Mariah Carey. :P
Why would gay men want to get married knowing that 50% of all marriages fail, if the relationship breaks up the parter will 50% of his stuff, etc?
They should celebrate their status under the law let sleeping dogs stay asleep if you ask me.
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Unfortunately, there's a whole lot of gay men, but only five of Cher, Madonna, Bette Midler, Lisa Minelli, and Mariah Carey. :P
They could always marry lesbians. :P
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Why would gay men want to get married knowing that 50% of all marriages fail, if the relationship breaks up the parter will 50% of his stuff, etc?
They should celebrate their status under the law let sleeping dogs stay asleep if you ask me.
Some of them don't want to ask you, if that's OK with you. ::) They just want to enter into monogamous relationships. They want to be able to visit their partners in the hospital without harassment from hospital staff or lawyers or hostile family members, and want to be able to leave their property to their partners after they die without legal challenges from government or greedy relatives of the deceased, and other similar stuff. Is that OK with you?
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Some of them don't want to ask you, if that's OK with you. ::) They just want to enter into monogamous relationships. They want to be able to visit their partners in the hospital without harassment from hospital staff or lawyers or hostile family members, and want to be able to leave their property to their partners after they die without legal challenges from government or greedy relatives of the deceased, and other similar stuff. Is that OK with you?
They can do that already is they see a lawyer and get the proper legal paperwork written up.
its called a Last will & Testament, POA, and Health Care Proxy.
If they are too cheap to spent $750 to get this done, then thats not my problem.
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They can do that already is they see a lawyer and get the proper legal paperwork written up.
its called a Last will & Testament, POA, and Health Care Proxy.
If they are too cheap to spent $750 to get this done, then thats not my problem.
Those can be, and have been, legally challenged, and have proven ineffective in protecting the rights of gay and lesbian couples.
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Those can be, and have been, legally challenged, and have proven ineffective in protecting the rights of gay and lesbian couples.
They are often challenged for straight people too. This is why people say many gays want special rights.
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They are often challenged for straight people too. This is why people say many gays want special rights.
You are saying someone can legally challenge your wife's legal right to present with you in your hospital room when you die? Or that the hospital can keep her out? ::)
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You are saying someone can legally challenge your wife's legal right to present with you in your hospital room when you die? Or that the hospital can keep her out? ::)
The law can be updated for that instance without changing the definition of the term marriage.
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The law can be updated for that instance without changing the definition of the term marriage.
Don't encourage him, LOL!
You know this isn't about "law".
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The law can be updated for that instance without changing the definition of the term marriage.
But how can hospitals know which persons of the same sex are allowed to be present with a dying person, and which are not? Or which are allowed to make life-and-death decisions and which are not? That's a legitimate question. They need to have some legal framework to work in. :P
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But how can hospitals know which persons of the same sex are allowed to be present with a dying person, and which are not? Or which are allowed to make life-and-death decisions and which are not? That's a legitimate question. They need to have some legal framework to work in. :P
We've made it this far and the world hasn't stopped turning.
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No one said they were ::) ... but like blacks, gays want legal protection from discrimination and bigotry. Is that OK with you? ::)
Gay couples are still discriminated against by hospitals which don't allow one of them to visit his/her sick or dying partner or make critical decisions about their partner's medical care. They are still being discriminated against when it comes to matters of property ownership and inheritance, etc. Just because you or Ninny Ninmaugh don't want them to have those rights doesn't mean they can't dream... ::)
now SH why would you go respond to this thread without answering my question ???
probably b/c you know that this whole PC bullshit isnt breaching the constitution ;)
gays dont get discriminated against, I couldnt go make decisions for a male friend who was in the hospital so they have the same rights I DO
ever hear of power of attorney? why dont you give your boyfriend power of attorney over you and they will be able to make those decisions for you in the case you arent capable yourself?
so again how does not allowing gays to marry breach the constitution?
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now SH why would you go respond to this thread without answering my question ???
probably b/c you know that this whole PC bullshit isnt breaching the constitution ;)
gays dont get discriminated against, I couldnt go make decisions for a male friend who was in the hospital so they have the same rights I DO
ever hear of power of attorney? why dont you give your boyfriend power of attorney over you and they will be able to make those decisions for you in the case you arent capable yourself?
so again how does not allowing gays to marry breach the constitution?
Now, we have the campaign manager, from the "No on 1" side, Jesse Connolly, threatening people, claiming that he won't rest until he finds the identities of every person who voted "Yes" on Question 1. As I said elsewhere, if he messes with the wrong voters, he may find himself on the wrong end of someone, exercising his 2nd amendment rights.
And, some are even blaming Obama, for not stumping enough in Maine, for the gay "marriage" bill.
I guess they missed the fact that Obama's presence had virtually NO effect in the VA and NJ elections (Deeds got destroyed and Corzine got cut).
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Now, we have the campaign manager, from the "No on 1" side, Jesse Connolly, threatening people, claiming that he won't rest until he finds the identities of every person who voted "Yes" on Question 1. As I said elsewhere, if he messes with the wrong voters, he may find himself on the wrong end of someone, exercising his 2nd amendment rights.
And, some are even blaming Obama, for not stumping enough in Maine, for the gay "marriage" bill.
I guess they missed the fact that Obama's presence had virtually NO effect in the VA and NJ elections (Deeds got destroyed and Corzine got cut).
You do realize Obama isn't publicly in support of redefining marriage. I'd rather not take the thread in an ugly direction but blacks tend to be pretty conservative on some issues and marriage is one of them.
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You do realize Obama isn't publicly in support of redefining marriage. I'd rather not take the thread in an ugly direction but blacks tend to be pretty conservative on some issues and marriage is one of them.
I thought it was hysterical when gaymarraige failed in CA because minorities voted it down.
I almost spit my beer out that day watching the panzies on the left try to explain this.
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I thought it was hysterical when gaymarraige failed in CA because minorities voted it down.
I almost spit my beer out that day watching the panzies on the left try to explain this.
People, stupid ones, always compare gay and interracial marriage. It insults the intelligence of anyone who reads a statement like that. Also, blacks tend to be extremely conservative on two issues; marriage and abortion.
They really think mentioning interracial marriage will automatically make someone hear: "You're black and should know how we feel" or "You're white!! How can you tolerate black people having a right white gays don't". :)
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People, stupid ones, always compare gay and interracial marriage. It insults the intelligence of anyone who reads a statement like that. Also, blacks tend to be extremely conservative on two issues; marriage and abortion.
They really think mentioning interracial marriage will automatically make someone hear: "You're black and should know how we feel" or "You're white!! How can you tolerate black people having a right white gays don't". :)
The left wing lunatics were trying not to accuse minorities of bigotry but at the same time were apoplectic over this.
Hysterical. They just cant deal with the fact that they are 1% of the population and people are sick of their shit.
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The left wing lunatics were trying not to accuse minorities of bigotry but at the same time were apoplectic over this.
Hysterical. They just cant deal with the fact that they are 1% of the population and people are sick of their shit.
It's their own fault. Political correctness aborts honest discussion. It also highlights how isolated the left is from reality and their unwillingness to even talk to some non-hollywood/gay blacks. A few conversations would have made it perfectly clear how a majority of blacks felt about redefining marriage.
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people dont like fags!!!!Ive said it again and again and again.The media and the libs can try to normalise it until they are blue in the face,NO ONE LIKES FAGS!!
wishful thinking on your part. the percentages of like/dislike for gay marriage is getting smaller every year. brace your tits, gird up your loins, join the 21st century; it will happen.
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wishful thinking on your part. the percentages of like/dislike for gay marriage is getting smaller every year. brace your tits, gird up your loins, join the 21st century; it will happen.
Whatever, go suck a dick.
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wishful thinking on your part. the percentages of like/dislike for gay marriage is getting smaller every year. brace your tits, gird up your loins, join the 21st century; it will happen.
There's an old southern saying: pouring syrup on shit don't make it a pancake.
Changing the law will not affect people's feelings one bit.
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wishful thinking on your part. the percentages of like/dislike for gay marriage is getting smaller every year. brace your tits, gird up your loins, join the 21st century; it will happen.
Hmmm.....that's funny!! Gay "marriage" supporters go to the most liberal and the "bluest" of states, spend considerably more money than their opponents ($4 million vs. $2.5 million in Maine; $43 million vs. $40 million in California), yet they still keep losing.
They get blown out in other states. The average margin of an amendment passing is 68-32.
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Many people would support gay unions with benefits but not redefining marriage. That's the way it should be IMO. I'm fine with gay couples having similar rights but marriage is a definition between a man and woman and intended to help propogate the species in a balanced initial environment.
Exactly!
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still waiting for one pro gay marriage advocate to tell me how this breaches the constitution...
if you cant then i guess that says it all doesnt it? ;)
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still waiting for one pro gay marriage advocate to tell me how this breaches the constitution...
if you cant then i guess that says it all doesnt it? ;)
It doesn't. That being said I do wonder about one or two things... purely out of morbid curiosity. Does having "gay marriage" in some states but not others and/or valid marriage licenses issued in Ca (during that window) rob other gays of their 14th Amendment rights? None of GetBig's lawyer types have ever answered when I've asked. On its face I'd guess it's a state's rights issue but the curiosity over California creating a separate, unequal class still exists.
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It doesn't. That being said I do wonder about one or two things... purely out of morbid curiosity. Does having "gay marriage" in some states but not others and/or valid marriage licenses issued in Ca (during that window) rob other gays of their 14th Amendment rights? None of GetBig's lawyer types have ever answered when I've asked. On its face I'd guess it's a state's rights issue but the curiosity over California creating a separate, unequal class still exists.
I would say since it is passed on a state ballot it would be a states right issue just like gun laws that differ from state to state. Good question though as gay married couples do get federal benefits i believe in the form of filing jointly for taxes...could prove to be another hook the Gay and lesbian movement uses to get this back in Federal court.
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Whatever, go suck a dick.
wow; great thoughtful answer. is that the solution you use with other arguments? you must like getting blown!
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wow; great thoughtful answer. is that the solution you use with other arguments? you must like getting blown!
No, but I thought it fit in with your advocacy for gay marriage, which no one wants.
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No, but I thought it fit in with your advocacy for gay marriage, which no one wants.
well, except Washington state, which had people vote and it was approved.
"slowly, I turn, step by step......"
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well, except Washington state, which had people vote and it was approved.
"slowly, I turn, step by step......"
it will just go back and forth you retard why dont you and your boyfriend give each other power of attorney over each other?
can you explain to me how this breaches the US constitution?
No you cant so I hope that you and your boyfriend support others when they want the states to recognize polygamy...
Face it bro your ilk and the PC bullshit they have been pushing for is starting to run its course thanks in large part to your fighting for others who dont even appreciate your efforts... ;)
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still waiting for one pro gay marriage advocate to tell me how this breaches the constitution...
if you cant then i guess that says it all doesnt it? ;)
and where in the constitution is hetero marriage mentioned?
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and where in the constitution is hetero marriage mentioned?
marriage is defined as a man and a woman by law through statutes and common law...perhaps you didnt see my earlier post and as ill assume your as ignorant on this as you are everything else youve posted on in the board.
The govt cannot discriminate between citizens but it can create different classes as long as it treats everyone within that class equally. i.e. all men and women have the right to marry any other opposite sex individual they want. I.E. there is no discrimination
again why dont you and your boyfriend just give each other power of attorney over one another?
try answering my questions instead of deflecting
how is this in breach of the US constitution?
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marriage is defined as a man and a woman by law through statutes and common law...perhaps you didnt see my earlier post and as ill assume your as ignorant on this as you are everything else youve posted on in the board.
The govt cannot discriminate between citizens but it can create different classes as long as it treats everyone within that class equally. i.e. all men and women have the right to marry any other opposite sex individual they want. I.E. there is no discrimination
again why dont you and your boyfriend just give each other power of attorney over one another?
try answering my questions instead of deflecting
how is this in breach of the US constitution?
can it be done with taxes, too? joint vs. single filings?
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marriage is defined as a man and a woman by law through statutes and common law...perhaps you didnt see my earlier post and as ill assume your as ignorant on this as you are everything else youve posted on in the board.
The govt cannot discriminate between citizens but it can create different classes as long as it treats everyone within that class equally. i.e. all men and women have the right to marry any other opposite sex individual they want. I.E. there is no discrimination
again why dont you and your boyfriend just give each other power of attorney over one another?
try answering my questions instead of deflecting
how is this in breach of the US constitution?
You know no one is gonna answer the question because they're unwilling to admit this has nothing to do with hospitals, taxes, benefits, bigotry, racism, constitution or any of the additional reasons people make up.
It is funny that they really believe "gay marriage" will make them feel normal and 100% accepted by society. I've met tons of married people who aren't normal or who have felt having one perfect day (reception) would change their lives forever, LOL!
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can it be done with taxes, too? joint vs. single filings?
its already done with taxes in the form of tax brackets...joint vs. single filings is within a number of different classes
well i guess for this we could just say either married or single and as we know marriage is between any man and any woman there is still no discrimination as every man and woman has that right...i.e. are being treated equally.
you pass a gay marriage law and Ill sue b/c you guys can go into a male locker room and watch other males change and i cant go into a womans locker room ;D that shit seem fair to you?
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its already done with taxes in the form of tax brackets...joint vs. single filings is within a number of different classes
well i guess for this we could just say either married or single and as we know marriage is between any man and any woman there is still no discrimination as every man and woman has that right...i.e. are being treated equally.
you pass a gay marriage law and Ill sue b/c you guys can go into a male locker room and watch other males change and i cant go into a womans locker room ;D that shit seem fair to you?
Gay Liberals like Chad have two mental disorders going on at the same time. What elese do you expect Tony?
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HEALTH REFORM PASSES !!!!! ;D
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HEALTH REFORM PASSES !!!!! ;D
You need to understand the political process a little better. :)
Hopefully critics, self included, are dead wrong about it being unaffordable.
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You need to understand the political process a little better. :)
Hopefully critics, self included, are dead wrong about it being unaffordable.
Kaje - check out my thread about Era of Blaming Bush.
I posted the original cost estimates for Gvt Health Care vs. reality.
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^^^^ NeoCon Bush sympathizer loses AGAIN !! :-*
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Kaje - check out my thread about Era of Blaming Bush.
I posted the original cost estimates for Gvt Health Care vs. reality.
I still blame Clinton for some of this mess, LOL!
It'll be a long time before Bush is off the hook. He started this bailout nonsense in the first place. Everyone would have screamed Socialism/Marxism or nationalization of private debt way too loud for Obama to have gotten away with spending money like this. Letting AIG fail would have saved trillions.
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I still blame Clinton for some of this mess, LOL!
It'll be a long time before Bush is off the hook. He started this bailout nonsense in the first place. Everyone would have screamed Socialism/Marxism or nationalization of private debt way too loud for Obama to have gotten away with spending money like this. Letting AIG fail would have saved trillions.
Kaje:
Medicare (entire program). In 1967, the House Ways and Means Committee predicted that the new Medicare program, launched the previous year, would cost about $12 billion in 1990. Actual Medicare spending in 1990 was $110 billion—off by nearly a factor of 10.
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Kaje:
Medicare (entire program). In 1967, the House Ways and Means Committee predicted that the new Medicare program, launched the previous year, would cost about $12 billion in 1990. Actual Medicare spending in 1990 was $110 billion—off by nearly a factor of 10.
That's the problem, LOL! Even if they are half as wrong this time it will end up causing a huge tax increase on the middle class.
Poorer libs feel the cost isn't an issue because it'll never be their money paying. There's only so much in taxes that can be borne by employers and at some point you've got to pay the piper. It's either pass costs onto the middle class or companies will not be able to grow at a rate where hiring employees is affordable.
Considering the richest 1% already pay 39% of all taxes there isn't much room for an increase. Even if you tweaked capital gains taxes again, there wouldn't be enough money. Inheritance taxes going up more would put the final nail in family owned, small farm's coffin. Earned income credit may be only place left where people can possibly be sold on the idea that any pain may be worth it.
If I'm right... those the bill is trying to save will be most harmed. This is a math argument that people are more than willing to pretend is political. Instead of saying stupid shit like Clinton, Bush, Obama, Liberal, Commie, NeoCon, etc..... people should just explain where the money is going to come from.
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its already done with taxes in the form of tax brackets...joint vs. single filings is within a number of different classes
well i guess for this we could just say either married or single and as we know marriage is between any man and any woman there is still no discrimination as every man and woman has that right...i.e. are being treated equally.
you pass a gay marriage law and Ill sue b/c you guys can go into a male locker room and watch other males change and i cant go into a womans locker room ;D that shit seem fair to you?
fair.... and sometimes hot. except that having done exhaustive research, 99.8% percent arent worth a second glance.
but for that one needs to check out www.lpsg.org
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fair.... and sometimes hot. except that having done exhaustive research, 99.8% percent arent worth a second glance.
but for that one needs to check out www.lpsg.org
No wonder you love ZERO!
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The Catholic Church is a powerful force in Maine so when the men in dresses who fuck little altar boys told their parishoners that gay marriage was wrong
and a sin, the rubes in the pews believed it and voted as they had been told.
True.