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Who wins a 12 round boxing match?
Pacquiao Vs. Any IFBB Pro Bodybuilding Athlete?
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yes let me take a fucking guess on this one. ::)
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Pacquiao at his heaviest is 144 lbs.
Typical Pro bodybuilding athlete is 250 lbs.
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Pacquiao at his heaviest is 144 lbs.
Typical Pro bodybuilding athlete is 250 lbs.
which means absolutly nothing....Pacman in under 30 seconds vs any Pro BB....
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Who wins a 12 round boxing match?
Pacquiao Vs. Any IFBB Pro Bodybuilding Athlete?
Ridiculous, the most well conditioned UFC athlete couldn't last 12 rounds. Bodybuilder wouldn't last 3 rounds with intense shadow boxing...and the shadow would win.
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...come on there's only one answer to that
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He win, not by KO. KO means that the brain has been jarred against the skull real quick. PAC hitting some with decent, let alone huge traps like Johnnie Jackson, menas that their traps and corresponding neck muscles would prevent the head from snapping back...or that they lack a brain to begin with.
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He win, not by KO. KO means that the brain has been jarred against the skull real quick. PAC hitting some with decent, let alone huge traps like Johnnie Jackson, menas that their traps and corresponding neck muscles would prevent the head from snapping back...or that they lack a brain to begin with.
uh um cough cough bullshit.....
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uh um cough cough bullshit.....
144 pound dude hitting a 250-60 pound 5'6-5'9 dude in the face, and they have huge traps. A body tenses up in a fight, a mans neck ain't gonna snap back, you need more force. One of the reasons why Flex Wheeler servived his car crash the doctors said is becaused he was so muscled. Yeah, he broke two of his nck vertabrae, but, think what would have happened if he had a skinny neck.
Take a look at a Belgian Blue's neck, there is no way you can twist their neck with their horns, like someone could with a regular steer and bulldog it. It is too damn muscular in the nck region.
That being said, the traps stabilize the neck and head.
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I don't care how fast or quick or well conditioned someone like PAC is.......there comes a point where size creates a huge point of diminishing returns for someone of PAC's size. Put Pudz in the ring and I'm sure PAC would get hurt..........BAD! Plus boxing has rules and size restraints for a reason. So it's stupid comparison.
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I don't care how fast or quick or well conditioned someone like PAC is.......there comes a point where size creates a huge point of diminishing returns for someone of PAC's size. Put Pudz in the ring and I'm sure PAC would get hurt..........BAD! Plus boxing has rules and size restraints for a reason. So it's stupid comparison.
You have no clue what you are talking about.
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The gorilla
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;D
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144 pound dude hitting a 250-60 pound 5'6-5'9 dude in the face, and they have huge traps. A body tenses up in a fight, a mans neck ain't gonna snap back, you need more force. One of the reasons why Flex Wheeler servived his car crash the doctors said is becaused he was so muscled. Yeah, he broke two of his nck vertabrae, but, think what would have happened if he had a skinny neck.
Take a look at a Belgian Blue's neck, there is no way you can twist their neck with their horns, like someone could with a regular steer and bulldog it. It is too damn muscular in the nck region.
That being said, the traps stabilize the neck and head.
Flex probably only hurt his neck because it was pretty skinny compared to the rest of his body.
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Flex probably only hurt his neck because it was pretty skinny compared to the rest of his body.
Prolly, but the pics of him in the hospital with the neck brace and that metal contraption, I forgot the name, around his neck, showed he had some food sized traps. Plus he had a shit load of glass in his back.
Pac would win no doubt, it he were to drop a mofo like we had stated, it would be a shot at the throat. Otherwise PAC would be throwing bodysuits and dodging while slo mo would lunging trying to land one shot. With all the exertion and PAC hitting him, said bber would keel over.
One of the reasons why heavily musculed and juiced dogs don't do well in a fight.
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Jay would beat him for sure cuz he's mr. O. Most other IFBB pros would win too just because of the size advantage.
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144 pound dude hitting a 250-60 pound 5'6-5'9 dude in the face, and they have huge traps. A body tenses up in a fight, a mans neck ain't gonna snap back, you need more force. One of the reasons why Flex Wheeler servived his car crash the doctors said is becaused he was so muscled. Yeah, he broke two of his nck vertabrae, but, think what would have happened if he had a skinny neck.
Take a look at a Belgian Blue's neck, there is no way you can twist their neck with their horns, like someone could with a regular steer and bulldog it. It is too damn muscular in the nck region.
That being said, the traps stabilize the neck and head.
You're wrong....I don't care if someone is 250, they're getting knocked the fuck out.
Hey if you go to any amateaur gym, watch an experienced guy weighing 140-150lbs go up against a larger guy with NO fight experience, it's quite something.
JOJ wouldn't even be able to land a single shot...JOJ is not conditioned to take such ferocious shots.
The fight, if u could even call it that wouldn't even last a full round, real talk.
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You have no clue what you are talking about.
LMAO Ok "che". Fucking dork.
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pac would set him up.....The bodybuilder would get hit so many times in a flurrry they'd be dazed, dizzy and confused, then the big KO shot to the chin
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A world class fighter vs an untrained BBer!? Dude wouldn't even see the KO coming.
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You're wrong....I don't care if someone is 250, they're getting knocked the fuck out.
Hey if you go to any amateaur gym, watch an experienced guy weighing 140-150lbs go up against a larger guy with NO fight experience, it's quite something.
JOJ wouldn't even be able to land a single shot...JOJ is not conditioned to take such ferocious shots.
The fight, if u could even call it that wouldn't even last a full round, real talk.
I did say, he would drop him, but hitting a dude in the face who has 18+ inch and that is solid finv muscle is wasting ones time. A ko is a concussion, a severe jarring when the brain hits the back head and sloshes back, and a 144 pound dude who is going up against a 250+ bber who are notoriously short, which means densely muscled is hard, not impossible just hard. And PAC is one of the greats, I'd think he know to stick to body shots. Coincidently, mike Tyson and Holyfield had some pretty good trap size, I read somewhere that Tyson had a 18 inch neck
i did say that the bbervwould not land any shots, too damn slow.
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I did say, he would drop him, but hitting a dude in the face who has 18+ inch and that is solid finv muscle is wasting ones time. A ko is a concussion, a severe jarring when the brain hits the back head and sloshes back, and a 144 pound dude who is going up against a 250+ bber who are notoriously short, which means densely muscled is hard, not impossible just hard. And PAC is one of the greats, I'd think he know to stick to body shots. Coincidently, mike Tyson and Holyfield had some pretty good trap size, I read somewhere that Tyson had a 18 inch neck
i did say that the bbervwould not land any shots, too damn slow.
toe to toe in a boxing ring yes.....but toe to toe the size of a bodybuilder would make a huge difference. You could fucking run over a dude like PAC and that would be enough. LOL. Size means a lot in the real world.
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I did say, he would drop him, but hitting a dude in the face who has 18+ inch and that is solid finv muscle is wasting ones time. A ko is a concussion, a severe jarring when the brain hits the back head and sloshes back, and a 144 pound dude who is going up against a 250+ bber who are notoriously short, which means densely muscled is hard, not impossible just hard. And PAC is one of the greats, I'd think he know to stick to body shots. Coincidently, mike Tyson and Holyfield had some pretty good trap size, I read somewhere that Tyson had a 18 inch neck
i did say that the bbervwould not land any shots, too damn slow.
I watch some of holyfields fights back in 1994-1996
lee haney helped get holyfields back pretty jacked!!
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144 pound dude hitting a 250-60 pound 5'6-5'9 dude in the face, and they have huge traps. A body tenses up in a fight, a mans neck ain't gonna snap back, you need more force. One of the reasons why Flex Wheeler servived his car crash the doctors said is becaused he was so muscled. Yeah, he broke two of his nck vertabrae, but, think what would have happened if he had a skinny neck.
Take a look at a Belgian Blue's neck, there is no way you can twist their neck with their horns, like someone could with a regular steer and bulldog it. It is too damn muscular in the nck region.
That being said, the traps stabilize the neck and head.
If you get hit in the head or face enough, it doesn't make any difference how thick your trap or neck are. You realize you are referring to a trained boxer who as taught to deliver quick and powerful hits in places where HE KNOW would take you down. In the case of Flex wheeler, thats a bad example he didn't take a blow or multiple blows to the temple.
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If you get hit in the head or face enough, it doesn't make any difference how thick your trap or neck are. You realize you are referring to a trained boxer who as taught to deliver quick and powerful hits in places where HE KNOW would take you down. In the case of Flex wheeler, thats a bad example he didn't take a blow or multiple blows to the temple.
I agree, but in the case of Flex, he just broke his neck doing 140 mph in a SL500. I'd take PAC hitting me in the face anyday over that.
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I agree, but in the case of Flex, he just broke his neck doing 140 mph in a SL500. I'd take PAC hitting me in the face anyday over that.
Tell that to Delahoya, Hatton and Cotto..lol!
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there isnt much weight or force behined a 150 pound dude with gloves on
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Who wins a 12 round boxing match?
Pacquiao Vs. Any IFBB Pro Bodybuilding Athlete?
easy bodybuilder by knockout first round against the twink
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toe to toe in a boxing ring yes.....but toe to toe the size of a bodybuilder would make a huge difference. You could fucking run over a dude like PAC and that would be enough. LOL. Size means a lot in the real world.
I agree with u that size means a lot in the real world, 99% of the time the bigger dude will win.
BUT here we're talking about a guy who is arguably the best boxer of his generation going up against a big muscle man.
Whether it's the ring or the streets Pacman MURDERS any 250lb man (who just so happens to have big muscles)
You're delusional, quite stupid actually.
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Funny thread, comparing one of the best boxers in the world to a bodybuilder, lol.
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I agree, but in the case of Flex, he just broke his neck doing 140 mph in a SL500. I'd take PAC hitting me in the face anyday over that.
Probably had more to do with the safety of the mercedes, if he was in any other car probably would have gotten seriously hurt.
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Give the bodybuilder some minimal training with an MMA fighter. Let him build up his stamina and learn how to take a punch... and possible throw one. Then, just maybe, the BB might last a few seconds into the round.
Otherwise, its lights out as soon as the bell rings.
No comparison between the two other than the fact that they both are muscular and have abs.
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Probably had more to do with the safety of the mercedes, if he was in any other car probably would have gotten seriously hurt.
Maybe, but did you see the pic of the Merc, the damn thing was flat and twisted up.
Give the bodybuilder some minimal training with an MMA fighter. Let him build up his stamina and learn how to take a punch... and possible throw one. Then, just maybe, the BB might last a few seconds into the round.
Otherwise, its lights out as soon as the bell rings.
No comparison between the two other than the fact that they both are muscular and have abs.
Agreed. It's actually stupid, one is a fighter, one fights his own body for his looks
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Silly question.
More muscle mass = better fighting ability. IFBB pro bodybuilder would win hands down, unless it were a bantamweight bodybuilder perhaps.
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Silly question.
More muscle mass = better fighting ability. IFBB pro bodybuilder would win hands down, unless it were a bantamweight bodybuilder perhaps.
No, more mass=less fighting ability. Unless the person has adapted their size for speed, which takes time. To use the Animal kindom as an example, there are animals that have big ass arms and move fast, but they are invertabrates, namely the Praying Mantis and the Mantis Shrimp, which can break glass. But mostly for mammals bulk equates to slowness. In terms of the Big Cats (Pantherinae), the middle ground for size, speed and strength is the Leopard.
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He win, not by KO. KO means that the brain has been jarred against the skull real quick. PAC hitting some with decent, let alone huge traps like Johnnie Jackson, menas that their traps and corresponding neck muscles would prevent the head from snapping back...or that they lack a brain to begin with.
Sorry but this is utter garbage
Do you realise how vulreable a man's chin is?....... Pacquiao may not knock him out with one punch but with 12 rounds and the dude landing 50-100 punches a round you think JOJ would survive?
JOJ is a normal man who has never conditioned himself to take a solid blow, he isnt trained like a boxer and he doesn't sparr. Hes a bodybuilder who lifts heavy weights and he's fucking 5'7. Hes more or less the same height as Pacquiao.
You also have to consider taking a punch when you know its coming and when you are not expecting it.
Huge difference
Boxers are generally KO'd by punches they dont see coming and when their feet are not planted, for example Manny-Cotto when the 2nd knockdown occured it was delivered by a punch during an exchange of which Cotto never saw.
If JOJ atleast tries to fight against Pacquiao the guy will be caught in exchanges and with counterpunches, for 1. he is too slow (handpseed and the ability to get the hell out of the way from punches)
2. the guy probably doesn't have the correct punch form so hes easy to pick apart. No upperbody movement, no headmovement, no real defence to speak of.
People have to realize that mass doesnt equate to punching power entirely, its more to do with form and if you are getting the correct leverage to the punch. This is far more important.
Manny would knock out JOJ is 2 rounds probably, thats if he doesn't decide to absolutely rush him in the first round.
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Sorry but this is utter garbage
Do you realise how vulreable a man's chin is?....... Pacquiao may not knock him out with one punch but with 12 rounds and the dude landing 50-100 punches a round you think JOJ would survive?
JOJ is a normal man who has never conditioned himself to take a solid blow, he isnt trained like a boxer and he doesn't sparr. Hes a bodybuilder who lifts heavy weights and he's fucking 5'7. Hes more or less the same height as Pacquiao.
You also have to consider taking a punch when you know its coming and when you are not expecting it.
Huge difference
Boxers are generally KO'd by punches they dont see coming and when their feet are not planted, for example Manny-Cotto when the 2nd knockdown occured it was delivered by a punch during an exchange of which Cotto never saw.
If JOJ atleast tries to fight against Pacquiao the guy will be caught in exchanges and with counterpunches, for 1. he is too slow (handpseed and the ability to get the hell out of the way from punches)
2. the guy probably doesn't have the correct punch form so hes easy to pick apart. No upperbody movement, no headmovement, no real defence to speak of.
People have to realize that mass doesnt equate to punching power entirely, its more to do with form and if you are getting the correct leverage to the punch. This is far more important.
Manny would knock out JOJ is 2 rounds probably, thats if he doesn't decide to absolutely rush him in the first round.
You do know what a knockout is, It has NOTHING to do with one's chin. One's brain is not located in one's chin. Please read what a KO is.
I already said, he would drop him. But reading comprehesion seems not your strong suit.
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Cutler vs any boxer in a bb comp, who wins?
Makes about as much sense.
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Cutler vs any boxer in a bb comp, who wins?
Makes about as much sense.
Excellent post (for once) 8)
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Cutler vs any boxer in a bb comp, who wins?
Makes about as much sense.
Careful Swede, with this boards love of twinks, some will disagree with you....
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Obviously Pac would win against any IFBB pro bodybuilder in a boxing match. That's a given.
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There has to be a point of diminishing returns - how big, heavy, or strong does a bodybuilder have to be before he can actually hold his own against a 140lb prize fighter?
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Obviously Pac would win against any IFBB pro bodybuilder in a boxing match. That's a given.
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There has to be a point of diminishing returns - how big, heavy, or strong does a bodybuilder have to be before he can actually hold his own against a 140lb prize fighter?
1000 pounds so he can just fall over him and kill him...
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Lump the bodybuilder in with these guys....all who have been knocked on their ass by Pacman.
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Lump the bodybuilder in with these guys....all who have been knocked on their ass by Pacman.
And all the guys there that pacman beat, would KO pro bodybuilders....
Its not about mass, as much as it is about speed (and technique)
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size and weight doesnt always make the difference up tho,,, just look what happend to haye v valuev, 7st difference and as much in hight, and he nearly sparked him..
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All joking aside, does anybody know how many pounds of force Manny generates?
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size and weight doesnt always make the difference up tho,,, just look what happend to haye v valuev, 7st difference and as much in hight, and he nearly sparked him..
True David Haye almost had him by ref stoppage in the last round but I don't know if anyone is capable of knocking that big Neanderthal down for the count....he is just too massive.
It would be VERY interesting to see....probably would have to be a Vitali bomb straight down the middle.
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You do know what a knockout is, It has NOTHING to do with one's chin. One's brain is not located in one's chin. Please read what a KO is.
I already said, he would drop him. But reading comprehesion seems not your strong suit.
eh?
Most knockouts are caused by a blow to the chin. Always aim for a man's chin, this is boxing 101.
Where do you think the terms "glass chin", "glass jaw" and "china chin" came from?
"In boxing, kickboxing and mixed martial arts, a chin refers to a fighter's ability to tolerate physical trauma to the face without being knocked out.
A fighter with a "good chin" refers to a fighter with tremendous ability to absorb punishment in the face, which can also be called "having a beard", "iron chin", or "good whiskers".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chin_%28boxing%29
Yet you claim that a man's chin has absolutely nothing to do with knockouts???
If Manny Pacquiao constantly landed blows on JOJ's chin hes going to get KNOCKED OUT period.
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eh?
Most knockouts are caused by a blow to the chin. Always aim for a man's chin, this is boxing 101.
Where do you think the terms "glass chin", "glass jaw" and "china chin" came from?
"In boxing, kickboxing and mixed martial arts, a chin refers to a fighter's ability to tolerate physical trauma to the face without being knocked out.
A fighter with a "good chin" refers to a fighter with tremendous ability to absorb punishment in the face, which can also be called "having a beard", "iron chin", or "good whiskers".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chin_%28boxing%29
Yet you claim that a man's chin has absolutely nothing to do with knockouts???
If Manny Pacquiao constantly landed blows on JOJ's chin hes going to get KNOCKED OUT period.
6lbs of pressure on the chin and its lights out garunteed, you dont have to be hit that hard to go down.
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BBs wear thongs and some with glitter...the choice to win is obvious, with a thong on...you can never lose
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Who wins a 12 round boxing match?
Pacquiao Vs. Any IFBB Pro Bodybuilding Athlete?
C'mon, is this a joke?
I guess next we can have the NFL Bears QB Jay Cutler pose off vs Mr O Jay Cutler or have Jay see how he can do back in the pocket throwing downfield.
Pacquiao would destroy any IFBB pro in the ring, same as they would destroy him on a BB stage doing poses.
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Pacman....no doubt.
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No, more mass=less fighting ability. Unless the person has adapted their size for speed, which takes time. To use the Animal kindom as an example, there are animals that have big ass arms and move fast, but they are invertabrates, namely the Praying Mantis and the Mantis Shrimp, which can break glass. But mostly for mammals bulk equates to slowness. In terms of the Big Cats (Pantherinae), the middle ground for size, speed and strength is the Leopard.
Wrong. Fighting ability is directly and solely related to muscle mass. Whoever carries the most muscle wins in a fight, always.
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Wrong. Fighting ability is directly and solely related to muscle mass. Whoever carries the most muscle wins in a fight, always.
...you've never been in a fight have you
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...you've never been in a fight have you
He fights with his sexual identity all the time.
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...you've never been in a fight have you
Don't need to. Whenever there's a confrontation you can simply weigh yourself against your opponent along with bodyfat % and can avoid the actual physical part of the fight by figuring out who has more lean muscle mass. The one with less muscle always loses.
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Wrong. Fighting ability is directly and solely related to muscle mass. Whoever carries the most muscle wins in a fight, always.
i guess you never seen Fedor...
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He fights with his sexual identity all the time.
laughed out loud on that shit
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C'mon, is this a joke?
I guess next we can have the NFL Bears QB Jay Cutler pose off vs Mr O Jay Cutler or have Jay see how he can do back in the pocket throwing downfield.
Pacquiao would destroy any IFBB pro in the ring, same as they would destroy him on a BB stage doing poses.
How can someone be "destroyed" with out even making contact?
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que up the pic of Coleman with the oxygen mask, that's from posing. Which pro's going to be able to chase an extremely well condition #### around the ring for more than a min
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Cue up the pic of Coleman with the oxygen mask, that's from posing. Which pro's going to be able to chase an extremely well condition #### around the ring for more than a min
Flex WHeeler was out of breath at a cotest in 1993, he told Lee Haney, Lee told him to watch Lee Lebrada...Flex as you know did martial arts. Also, Phil Heath has said he pose constantly so he would not get out of breath. Posing exerts a lot of energy, combined the fact that one is dieted down.
This is a non issue. Bodybuilders build for a look, not to fight. Nex up Bodybuilders versus a T-Rex...eh?
Most knockouts are caused by a blow to the chin. Always aim for a man's chin, this is boxing 101.
Where do you think the terms "glass chin", "glass jaw" and "china chin" came from?
"In boxing, kickboxing and mixed martial arts, a chin refers to a fighter's ability to tolerate physical trauma to the face without being knocked out.
A fighter with a "good chin" refers to a fighter with tremendous ability to absorb punishment in the face, which can also be called "having a beard", "iron chin", or "good whiskers".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chin_%28boxing%29
Yet you claim that a man's chin has absolutely nothing to do with knockouts???
If Manny Pacquiao constantly landed blows on JOJ's chin hes going to get KNOCKED OUT period.
By the way, the theory of have good trap muscles as I said was in there
Difference between a knock out and a knockdown, you maybe confusing the two
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knockout (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knockout)
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Who would last 12 rounds?
IFBB Pros would last 2 rounds tops with their superb cardio.
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If you could take your opponent down though a la MMA, IFBB Pros would stand a better chance (if they could catch Pac) :D
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what rules??? (it does matter)