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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Steroids Info & Hardcore => Topic started by: slacker on November 16, 2009, 10:42:58 PM
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Ive been working out now for years and i feel that Im ready for a cycle. I was hoping to get some good advice from the guys with experience
I am also worried about side effects. I want to grow above and beyond my current plateau. Im not sure of the availbility where I live but Im sure I could locate a source. Im wondering what I should be taking and in what dose. Im 6.3 270lbs with about 14%. After my cycle Im going to focus on cardio. I need some sound advice. I have read all the info on this board and I just need some personal input. thanks
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what are your expectations? and look at the basic beginner cycle....12 weeks 500mg of test per week and some Dbol 30mgs per day for the first 5weeks then post with some nolva and clomid
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Im living in canada right now
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I wouldn't ask openly for sources or products. i am sure some of our resident scammers will PM you shortly promising you the moon.
If you are worried about side effects i wouldn't use steroids.
at 6'3" 270 pounds and 14% BF i wouldn't be worried too much about using AAS. if those numbers are correct you are probably bigger than most of the juicers on this board.
For every action there is a reaction. taking steroids can harm you, but each person is different and some of us can get away with a lot more than others. if it were up to me i would have you run 750mg of test for a few months and see what happens, but you need to do a ton of research before you go this route.
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Ive been reading for years. Im ready to take the plunge. My info is correct.
would i take d bols with this cycle of test
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yes for the first 5 weeks
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so how much d bl should I take and i know no one seems to agree but how often should I take the d bols pre/post workout ????
thanks
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imo it should be split up every 4 hours but 30mgs eD would be an effective dose for a first time user
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you can make nice solid gains with 500mg test for 10 weeks. keep it light. see how ur body reacts.
you can do the dbol if you want or already have it. personally i would recommend test only for your first cycle and even your second cycle. after that start adding other stuff in.
But what are your expectations out of this cycle.
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Run the dbol @ 30mg ed for 5-6 weeks. Personally I take all at once, 1xed. People put way too much emphasis in stable blood levels with orals that have very short half lives. I have run orals both ways, and the benefit will be much better when taken all at once pre workout.
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you can make nice solid gains with 500mg test for 10 weeks. keep it light. see how ur body reacts.
you can do the dbol if you want or already have it. personally i would recommend test only for your first cycle and even your second cycle. after that start adding other stuff in.
But what are your expectations out of this cycle.
I expect to gain 80 pounds of lean muscle and look like arnold lol
j/k I am hoping to push my body past its current plateau I plan on doing a cycle for 10 weeks and then taking 6 weeks off and doing another 10 weeks After my cycles I plan on dieting to a lean 8% bf . I want to add a few inches in the right places and build my chest up a bit. It tends to lack in size compared to other major muscles. Ive tried all sorts of different exercises and routines and now I am going to focus on heavy compound exercises and train the other muscles lightly. I have a desired look for myself and Im almost there. Just need a little help.
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i would wait a lil longer than 6 weeks before you jump back on. id wait about 13-15 weeks. i make nice gains after im off too. just eat big and clean while ur on. and continue the same and working out even harder when u get off. nice run around u can do the same cycle or throw some eq in. I love eq.
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taking 6 weeks off between is pointless if your going to do that you might as well just stay on or cruise you'd do less damage....
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Agree with posts above. If your gonna take off for the reason for your body to recover then take longer more like 3 months min. Yo-yoing up and down will cause you more harm than good.
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Thanks for all the advice guys
What could I expect to gain from this cycle over 10 weeks
for a guy my size am I going to get good results
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you can't really put a number on what you'l gain but what i can tell you is that if now its a big if but if your diet and training are on point It'l be like the first time you got Pussy.....you'll fall in love and just want more, if you slack off yea you'l get gains but not compared to what you could have gotten
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I still want to drop my bf % should I just wait till after my cycle to do this. And will the test alone help reduce bf%
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Agree with posts above. If your gonna take off for the reason for your body to recover then take longer more like 3 months min. Yo-yoing up and down will cause you more harm than good.
whats the harm in taking 4 weeks or so off between cycles? do you mean you would lose gains? what if you are taking hcg clomid during the time off
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taking time off like that kills blood levels its not good for your body to shut down restart shut down restart if you really really wanted a little break cruise on 250mgs ew even that for 4 weeks is pointless imo an should just be left to the year round users
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whats the harm in taking 4 weeks or so off between cycles? do you mean you would lose gains? what if you are taking hcg clomid during the time off
The harm is you are not accomplishing anything with it. yes you will lose gains and you will not even be close to being recovered of your natty test so I don't see the point. maybe to save some dough that's about it. In 4 weeks you will start to lose gains, throw your hornones way out of whack and not get any benefit as far as giving your body a break. your either gaining/maintaining or resting there is nowhere else you can be that can help or do you good.
IMO PCT is like religion...gives you hope.
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The harm is you are not accomplishing anything with it. yes you will lose gains and you will not even be close to being recovered of your natty test so I don't see the point. maybe to save some dough that's about it. In 4 weeks you will start to lose gains, throw your hornones way out of whack and not get any benefit as far as giving your body a break. your either gaining/maintaining or resting there is nowhere else you can be that can help or do you good.
IMO PCT is like religion...gives you hope.
Hmmm I was planning on taking 4 weeks off before my next cycle but if its better to take 250 mg per week during those 4 weeks then what about just not taking the 4 weeks off and staying on 1000 or more mg of test and joining both cycles to stay on for several months, is there any advantage to dropping to a cruising dose of 250 mg for 4 weeks, if its considered better to take 250 mg per week for the 4 week bridge as opposed to coming off completely
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Hmmm I was planning on taking 4 weeks off before my next cycle but if its better to take 250 mg per week during those 4 weeks then what about just not taking the 4 weeks off and staying on 1000 or more mg of test and joining both cycles to stay on for several months, is there any advantage to dropping to a cruising dose of 250 mg for 4 weeks, if its considered better to take 250 mg per week for the 4 week bridge as opposed to coming off completely
Taking the 4 weeks off will not kill you or anything if you want to do it, do it. Heck if the first cycle was long estered stuff at a decent dose for a decent period then the compounds will still be lingering from that cycle for a month or so. I guess the point is you are not accomplishing the goals associated with a break (rest for your system) by taking just 4 weeks and you will stagnate gains compared to staying on. So like i said other than the $ saved its not really beneficial. Will it be a huge deal? heck no.
I have always considered "cruising" to be; on a small dose of maybe 300-500mg EW test E or C for a period of months so the long term user can get off the higher doses and relieve some of the sides associated with them, High BP, Poor lipid profile, BPH....etc. I could understand a transition period maybe from a gaining cycle to a dieting cycle but that probally means you are competing and you might as well just keep the shit pegged up high if you are going that route, the lull between will do little good.
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Taking the 4 weeks off will not kill you or anything if you want to do it, do it. Heck if the first cycle was long estered stuff at a decent dose for a decent period then the compounds will still be lingering from that cycle for a month or so. I guess the point is you are not accomplishing the goals associated with a break (rest for your system) by taking just 4 weeks and you will stagnate gains compared to staying on. So like i said other than the $ saved its not really beneficial. Will it be a huge deal? heck no.
I have always considered "cruising" to be; on a small dose of maybe 300-500mg EW test E or C for a period of months so the long term user can get off the higher doses and relieve some of the sides associated with them, High BP, Poor lipid profile, BPH....etc. I could understand a transition period maybe from a gaining cycle to a dieting cycle but that probally means you are competing and you might as well just keep the shit pegged up high if you are going that route, the lull between will do little good.
Thanks for the advice man Ill give it some thought
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if i do only 500 mg per week how important is pct
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if i do only 500 mg per week how important is pct
Extremely important if you want to retain your gains. 500 will shut you down. The purpose of PCT is to get things working as quick as possible to keep as many gains as possible.
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thanks guys.
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Extremely important if you want to retain your gains. 500 will shut you down. The purpose of PCT is to get things working as quick as possible to keep as many gains as possible.
Very true many forget that PCT is for returning to natural. This can be a one year commitment if someone really wants to get back a healthy natty system. that's why PCT is pointless for the guy who really just has short breaks (less then 3 months) they might as well cruise on low dose test until ready to go back to boring, old homeostasis.
I sort of look at PCT as giving you a running start through the recovery period, hopefully keeping the time brief when natty test is low or gone until you can start making some again yourself. too much PCT especially HCG will keep you shut down so the limbo period starts when the HCG stops. At that point nolva or clomid would be the choice for a while.
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So because I plan to go back on after 8/10 weeks Then i should take a maintenance dose of test 250 per week to keep gains thanks
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say I cruise on 250 mg of test between cycles for 6 weeks now during these 6 weeks do I take HCG and Clomid too
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So because I plan to go back on after 8/10 weeks Then i should take a maintenance dose of test 250 per week to keep gains thanks
You can run it lower than that. You could run as low as 150mg ew, and your levels will be high side of normal. More than enough to sustain gains 8 weeks or so.
say I cruise on 250 mg of test between cycles for 6 weeks now during these 6 weeks do I take HCG and Clomid too
HCG should be run continuously, the whole time your "ON". No need for clomid. Clomid would be for PCT and there is no need for PCT when bridging.
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You can run it lower than that. You could run as low as 150mg ew, and your levels will be high side of normal. More than enough to sustain gains 8 weeks or so.
HCG should be run continuously, the whole time your "ON". No need for clomid. Clomid would be for PCT and there is no need for PCT when bridging.
I didn't take any hcg during cycle so am thinking of taking it during the 6 week bridge maybe 2-3 5000 iu amps what do you think of this
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I didn't take any hcg during cycle so am thinking of taking it during the 6 week bridge maybe 2-3 5000 iu amps what do you think of this
Way to much over 6 weeks. Using HCG "ON" cycle the recommended dose is 500iu e3d, or 500iu 2xew. Either dosing schedule is fine and works. Personally I prefer e3d. I have studies posted on this board that show this to be the optimal dose for adult males on steroid cycles. Running HCG while "ON" cycle will make PCT much more successful.
Keep in mind too much HCG can cause desensitization. Also keep in mind that desensitization is not caused by the duration of use, but by using too much over an extended time period. If you have any more q's regarding HCG feel free to ask.
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Way to much over 6 weeks. Using HCG "ON" cycle the recommended dose is 500iu e3d, or 500iu 2xew. Either dosing schedule is fine and works. Personally I prefer e3d. I have studies posted on this board that show this to be the optimal dose for adult males on steroid cycles. Running HCG while "ON" cycle will make PCT much more successful.
Keep in mind too much HCG can cause desensitization. Also keep in mind that desensitization is not caused by the duration of use, but by using too much over an extended time period. If you have any more q's regarding HCG feel free to ask.
Thanks 4thAD. I have a question which I asked before but no one answered ive never really understood why pharm grade hcg amps are 5000 iu yet so many people recommend to take only 500 iu or so which you would need to get extra water to dilute the powder in since pharm grade amps come with 1 cc water. If 5000 iu were too much to take in one shot why do they make them in this size? I thought you are supposed to take 5000 iu every fifth day post cycle so if you are right that is better and cheaper but just curious not trying to doubt your knowledge honest question here
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Thanks 4thAD. I have a question which I asked before but no one answered ive never really understood why pharm grade hcg amps are 5000 iu yet so many people recommend to take only 500 iu or so which you would need to get extra water to dilute the powder in since pharm grade amps come with 1 cc water. If 5000 iu were too much to take in one shot why do they make them in this size? I thought you are supposed to take 5000 iu every fifth day post cycle so if you are right that is better and cheaper but just curious not trying to doubt your knowledge honest question here
The dosages are completely different when using for PCT. Get some bactereostatic water and mix with 1ml of bacto water. On a 1ml slin pin the 1 mark will be 500iu the 2 will be 1000, the 3 mark will be 1500 etc. Usually the lml of water that comes with the HCG amps is just that sterile water. If you want to preserve the HCG and make it last up to 60 days it should be mixed with bactereostatic water.
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I am going to wait until after the new year to start my cycle
I plan on taking 500mg of test 2 x250mg week and 50 mg of d bol per day. I am going to go for 12 weeks and they bridge with 100mgtest per week for 6 weeks and then back on for 10 weeks. Does this sound decent. Then i will follow up with PCT and hopefully I look as good as arnold did on leno the other night lol.
Im 6.3 and weeigh 260 even in the morning My bf is about 14% and Im hoping to walk away around 250 @ 10bf by june 2110.
Are my heads in the clouds or does this seem realistic. thanks
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I am going to wait until after the new year to start my cycle
I plan on taking 500mg of test 2 x250mg week and 50 mg of d bol per day. I am going to go for 12 weeks and they bridge with 100mgtest per week for 6 weeks and then back on for 10 weeks. Does this sound decent. Then i will follow up with PCT and hopefully I look as good as arnold did on leno the other night lol.
Im 6.3 and weeigh 260 even in the morning My bf is about 14% and Im hoping to walk away around 250 @ 10bf by june 2110.
Are my heads in the clouds or does this seem realistic. thanks
I think it is a pretty good plan, except when you bridge or coast use 200mg test EW, I think that will help you reach your goals better. Diet will be the biggest factor in your getting to where you want to be and it sounds very reasonable what you are after. Would like you to think about going to 230-235lbs and 7-8 ish % BF, the transformation will be that much more noticable and dramatic. You will look even bigger leaner as i would expect a narrower waist with better proportions and taper. Thinner skin and more vascularity will also be a benifit of getting below 8%
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Thanks for all your help guys
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Very true many forget that PCT is for returning to natural. This can be a one year commitment if someone really wants to get back a healthy natty system. that's why PCT is pointless for the guy who really just has short breaks (less then 3 months) they might as well cruise on low dose test until ready to go back to boring, old homeostasis.
I sort of look at PCT as giving you a running start through the recovery period, hopefully keeping the time brief when natty test is low or gone until you can start making some again yourself. too much PCT especially HCG will keep you shut down so the limbo period starts when the HCG stops. At that point nolva or clomid would be the choice for a while.
I agree with just about everything you have posted in this thread about taking time off. For the most part, taking 4 weeks off is actually worse for you than staying on, unless you are having some kind of serious medical problem.
What most people fail to realize is that PCT and recovery is a very long process. Even after PCT your body is still out of whack from not only AAS, but from PCT itself. PCT is not natural and to really "fully recover" from a large cycle takes 6-8 months. When i came off a few years ago my natural test did not come back for 8 months and i did a very long and well thought out PCT protocol. For the average gear user there should be an extended time off period every year to fully recover, but one must realize that the majority of their gains will go out the window as well. anyone who is seriously cycling to compete or get really jacked is going to almost need to cruise or bridge at times, that is just the way it is unless you have the best genetics in the world.
i remember FreakfestMD said he cycled 6 months on, 6 months off and i think there is a lot of truth behind this protocol for a casual gear user who wants to maintain health to the highest degree and prevent any problems in the future, but nothing is fool proof in this game as we know.
500mg a week is not a large cycle, but before jumping into anything more serious than that, a person must first make up their mind if they are in this for good or just for a few cycles, because there is no in between. you either cycle casually and take time off equal to time on, or you blast and cruise with your fingers crossed. either way people need to understand more about AAS and how they effect the body and even PCT products disrupt natural test production in some fashion.
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