need advice

[slacker]

Ive been working out now for years and i feel that Im ready for a cycle.  I was hoping to get some good advice from the guys with experience
I am also worried about side effects.   I want to grow above and beyond my current plateau.   Im not sure of the availbility  where I live but Im sure I could locate a source. Im wondering what I should be taking and in what dose.  Im 6.3 270lbs with about 14%.   After my cycle Im going to focus on cardio. I need some sound advice. I have read all the info on this board and I just need some personal input. thanks

[jerseymuscles113]

what are your expectations? and look at the basic beginner cycle....12 weeks 500mg of test per week and some Dbol 30mgs per  day for the first 5weeks then post with some nolva and clomid

[slacker]

Im living in canada right now

[Overload]

I wouldn't ask openly for sources or products. i am sure some of our resident scammers will PM you shortly promising you the moon.

If you are worried about side effects i wouldn't use steroids.

at 6'3" 270 pounds and 14% BF i wouldn't be worried too much about using AAS. if those numbers are correct you are probably bigger than most of the juicers on this board.

For every action there is a reaction. taking steroids can harm you, but each person is different and some of us can get away with a lot more than others. if it were up to me i would have you run 750mg of test for a few months and see what happens, but you need to do a ton of research before you go this route.

[slacker]

Ive been reading for years. Im ready to take the plunge. My info is correct. 

would i take d bols with this cycle of test

[jerseymuscles113]

yes for the first 5 weeks

[slacker]

 so how much d bl should I take and i know no one seems to agree but how often should I take the d bols pre/post workout ?

thanks

[jerseymuscles113]

imo it should be split up every 4 hours but 30mgs eD would be an effective dose for a first time user

[nunzi]

you can make nice solid gains with 500mg test for 10 weeks.  keep it light.  see how ur body reacts.

you can do the dbol if you want or already have it.  personally i would recommend test only for your first cycle and even your second cycle.  after that start adding other stuff in. 

But what are your expectations out of this cycle.

[4thAD]

Run the dbol @ 30mg ed for 5-6 weeks. Personally I take all at once, 1xed. People put way too much emphasis in stable blood levels with orals that have very short half lives. I have run orals both ways, and the benefit will be much better when taken all at once pre workout.

[slacker]

you can make nice solid gains with 500mg test for 10 weeks.  keep it light.  see how ur body reacts.

you can do the dbol if you want or already have it.  personally i would recommend test only for your first cycle and even your second cycle.  after that start adding other stuff in. 

But what are your expectations out of this cycle.

I expect to gain 80 pounds of lean muscle and look like arnold  lol

j/k  I am hoping to push my body past its current plateau  I plan on doing a cycle for 10 weeks and then taking 6 weeks off and doing another 10 weeks      After my cycles I plan on dieting to a lean 8% bf .   I want to add a few inches in the right places and build my chest up a bit. It tends to lack in size compared to other major muscles.   Ive tried all sorts of different exercises and routines and now I am going to focus on heavy compound exercises and train the other muscles lightly.     I have a desired look for myself and Im almost there. Just need a little help.

[nunzi]

i would wait a lil longer than 6 weeks before you jump back on.  id wait about 13-15 weeks.  i make nice gains after im off too.  just eat big and clean while ur on.  and continue the same and working out even harder when u get off.  nice run around u can do the same cycle or throw some eq in.  I love eq.

[jerseymuscles113]

taking 6 weeks off between is pointless if your going to do that you might as well just stay on or cruise you'd do less damage....

[Luv2Hurt]

Agree with posts above.  If your gonna take off for the reason for your body to recover then take longer more like 3 months min.  Yo-yoing up and down will cause you more harm than good.

[slacker]

Thanks for all the advice guys

What could I expect to gain from this cycle over 10 weeks

for a guy my size am I going to get good results

[jerseymuscles113]

you can't really put a number on what you'l gain but what i can tell you is that if now its a big if but if your diet and training are on point It'l be like the first time you got Pussy.....you'll fall in love and just want more, if you slack off yea you'l get gains but not compared to what you could have gotten

[slacker]

I still want to drop my bf %  should I just wait till after my cycle to do this.   And will the test alone help reduce bf%

[Kentucky_cowboy]

Agree with posts above.  If your gonna take off for the reason for your body to recover then take longer more like 3 months min.  Yo-yoing up and down will cause you more harm than good.

whats the harm in taking 4 weeks or so off between cycles?  do you mean you would lose gains?  what if you are taking hcg clomid during the time off

[jerseymuscles113]

taking time off like that kills blood levels its not good for your body to shut down restart shut down restart if you really really wanted a little break cruise on 250mgs ew even that for 4 weeks is pointless imo an should just be left to the year round users

[Luv2Hurt]

whats the harm in taking 4 weeks or so off between cycles?  do you mean you would lose gains?  what if you are taking hcg clomid during the time off

The harm is you are not accomplishing anything with it.  yes you will lose gains and you will not even be close to being recovered of your natty test so I don't see the point.  maybe to save some dough that's about it.  In 4 weeks you will start to lose gains, throw your hornones way out of whack and not get any benefit as far as giving your body a break.  your either gaining/maintaining or resting there is nowhere else you can be that can help or do you good.

IMO PCT is like religion...gives you hope.

[Kentucky_cowboy]

The harm is you are not accomplishing anything with it.  yes you will lose gains and you will not even be close to being recovered of your natty test so I don't see the point.  maybe to save some dough that's about it.  In 4 weeks you will start to lose gains, throw your hornones way out of whack and not get any benefit as far as giving your body a break.  your either gaining/maintaining or resting there is nowhere else you can be that can help or do you good.

IMO PCT is like religion...gives you hope.

Hmmm I was planning on taking 4 weeks off before my next cycle but if its better to take 250 mg per week during those 4 weeks then what about just not taking the 4 weeks off and staying on 1000 or more mg of test and joining both cycles to stay on for several months, is there any advantage to dropping to a cruising dose of 250 mg for 4 weeks, if its considered better to take 250 mg per week for the 4 week bridge as opposed to coming off completely

[Luv2Hurt]

Hmmm I was planning on taking 4 weeks off before my next cycle but if its better to take 250 mg per week during those 4 weeks then what about just not taking the 4 weeks off and staying on 1000 or more mg of test and joining both cycles to stay on for several months, is there any advantage to dropping to a cruising dose of 250 mg for 4 weeks, if its considered better to take 250 mg per week for the 4 week bridge as opposed to coming off completely

Taking the 4 weeks off will not kill you or anything if you want to do it, do it.  Heck if the first cycle was long estered stuff at a decent dose for a decent period then the compounds will still be lingering from that cycle for a month or so.  I guess the point is you are not accomplishing the goals associated with a break (rest for your system) by taking just 4 weeks and you will stagnate gains compared to staying on.  So like i said other than the $ saved its not really beneficial. Will it be a huge deal?  heck no.

I have always considered "cruising" to be; on a small dose of maybe 300-500mg EW test E or C for a period of months so the long term user can get off the higher doses and relieve some of the sides associated with them, High BP, Poor lipid profile, BPH....etc.  I could understand a transition period maybe from a gaining cycle to a dieting cycle but that probally means you are competing and you might as well just keep the shit pegged up high if you are going that route, the lull between will do little good.

[Kentucky_cowboy]

Taking the 4 weeks off will not kill you or anything if you want to do it, do it.  Heck if the first cycle was long estered stuff at a decent dose for a decent period then the compounds will still be lingering from that cycle for a month or so.  I guess the point is you are not accomplishing the goals associated with a break (rest for your system) by taking just 4 weeks and you will stagnate gains compared to staying on.  So like i said other than the $ saved its not really beneficial. Will it be a huge deal?  heck no.

I have always considered "cruising" to be; on a small dose of maybe 300-500mg EW test E or C for a period of months so the long term user can get off the higher doses and relieve some of the sides associated with them, High BP, Poor lipid profile, BPH....etc.  I could understand a transition period maybe from a gaining cycle to a dieting cycle but that probally means you are competing and you might as well just keep the shit pegged up high if you are going that route, the lull between will do little good.

Thanks for the advice man Ill give it some thought

[slacker]

if i do only 500 mg per week how important is pct

[4thAD]

if i do only 500 mg per week how important is pct

Extremely important if you want to retain your gains. 500 will shut you down. The purpose of PCT is to get things working as quick as possible to keep as many gains as possible.