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Palin-odes?
Posted By Victor Davis Hanson On November 18, 2009 @ 3:24 pm In Uncategorized | 67 Comments
The furor
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The AP supposedly hired 11 fact-checkers to discredit Ms. Palin’s memoir (Did Fox News hire 11 to question the very questionable things found in the two Obama memoirs?)
Bloggers post on Palin’s live interviews minute by minute; few, if any, opponents of Barack Obama do the same.
Every statement she makes is parsed, to prove she is ignorant or parochial—though most of her so-called lapses are the sort of things Biden and Obama are accustomed to committing weekly.
So what?
The list could go on, but two fundamental questions arise:
1) What drives this fear and loathing?
2) How does one, then, assess the Palin phenomenon?
Question one is easy, and we can be systematic in our exegeses:
1. Why does she create hysteria?
i). Feminists are enraged that her can-do, have a Down’s Syndrome child in her 40s, shoot-moose persona will be used as a paradigm of a liberated women. She is quite attractive, fertile, and married to a Jack-Armstrong 19th-century man.
Her success as an independent female, who was an up-from-the-bootstraps small-town council member, mayor, state regulator and governor, is antithetical to doctrinaire feminism. The latter devolved into a political and grievance-based creed. It is often whiny, and increasingly dominated by single, childless shrill elites. Many try to equate their own unhappiness in matters of family and sex into some sort of cosmic complaint against male patriarchy—as a way of leveraging influence, access, money, and power or simply justifying now regrettable life choices made in their 20’s and 30’s.
Feminism is not about ensuring that Dorothy at K-Mart is not fired because she is female. It is more about an upper-middle-class Dedi Wilson-Reynolds getting to the top of the university food chain, law firm, or government bureaucracy, on the assumption that her gender deserves compensation, in the manner of being non-white or foreign-born or non-Christian.
In such a climate, here comes snazzy, breezy, winking Sarah—happy, good-looking, a mom, and in no need of a rich husband or well-connected dad (in the manner of her critics like a Andrea Mitchell, Sally Quinn, Nancy Pelosi, etc). She inherently exposes feminism as a liberal advocacy movement rather than a bipartisan effort to ensure equal opportunity for women in the workplace and society at large.
ii). Liberal elites are, well, deemed elites because they predicate their stature on things such as where they went to school, where they live, how much money they have access to, where their children attend university, and whom they know—all done in a sort of understated, coded fashion. The best snobbery is the least stated.
When a Wasilla, you betcha, no abortion, Christian PTA mom comes on the scene with an Idaho BA, then red flags go up. Poor Sarah—had her mom only been a Colombian aristocrat, she might have at least pulled it off as Sarah Maria Dias-Palin, and compromised some of the furor. Poor Sarah, if she only could speak through nose. Poor Sarah, if she could only show up at her Wellesley reunion.
Moreover Palin does not have Audrey Hepburn/Jackie Kennedy boney looks, or even superficial John Edwards blow-dry smugness: she comes across as real, earthy, and warm, unaffected, the sort of wife most men prefer to a Maureen Dowd or Barbara Boxer shrewish whine.
iii). Right-wing populism also scares the left since grassroots movements are supposed to reflect democracy and the instant expression of popular will. And that is supposed to be good all the time. Yet average Joes listen to Rush Limbaugh in their cars, not Air America, and watch Bill O’Reilly, not MSNBC. Barack Obama was supposed to be a populist phenomenon, by virtue of being an African-American organizer, and we were to like him for his supposed ease with hoi polloi. But we surely cannot be consistent, and extend that notion of authenticity to a Christian, moose-hunter from the snow-bound, wacko far north who talks like the clerk at Wal-Mart—and draws crowds as large as Obama’s.
2.Where Does It All Lead?
Palin faces many of the same problems that sunk Reagan in 1976: the moderate Republicans think she is a shallow, superficial head-nodder, the way they wrote Reagan off in his quest to dethrone Ford. She earns as much resistance from Republican Old Guarders as she does the Obamians. In the elite center-right way of thinking, she knows little of foreign affairs and is not wonkish about domestic issues.
Her supporters’ argument is that any woman who can have five kids, pull herself out of Wasilla to the national political scene, juggle job, husband, family, and press, and take on the old boy Republicans in Alaska while being an anathema to the liberal elite, must have brains and guts. Such experience will easily allow her, given the proper time and campaigning, to master the issues every bit as not well as do Barack Obama or Joe Biden.
Yet since many conservative elites imagine that a Harvard Kennedy School degree is superior to multifaceted knowledge of .357 Magnums, chain-sawing, skinning game, and fishing, they will judge her only in terms of a traditional cursus honorum—spiced up with invective about creationism and Christian fundamentalism. (I have some experience with such snobbishness: when I used to speak before hostile university audiences, I was often introduced along these lines: “Mr. Hanson is a raisin farmer from Fresno State of Jerry Tarkanian fame.” [and therefore, presto, must be an idiot].)
Yet Palin won’t quite go away, given her opposition to the two most unpopular institutions in America today: Big Government and High Finance.
The voters are tiring on left-wing, condescending big government. An Eric Holder, Timothy Geithner and Barack Obama are the best reflections of the contradictory urge to redistribute money, and hector the productive upper-middle classes—while at the same time indulging their rarefied tastes and desire for privilege through government administration.
Yet Wall Street elites are no more popular. They are seen as selfish, conniving, and of no political persuasion other than kowtowing to the particular powers that be in Washington. Their creed is not conservatism or liberalism, but rather statism and the marriage of the federal government and high finance. And we now know these one-eyed jacks. Federal regulators (cf. e.g., Timothy Geithner, Robert Rubin, Larry Summers, Hank Paulson, Franklin Raines, etc) drift in and out of Wall Street. In exchange for guaranteeing that firms don’t fail and get sweetheart attention, federal officials are promised that during their sabbaticals from Washington they are to be accorded ceremonial jobs with access to near automatic multimillion-dollar bonuses.
Again, Palin is not an inside-the-beltway hack, and has never held federal office. She is honest and won’t go to Goldman Sachs or get a government auditorship over Bank of America. She seems like a fish out of water in New York and Washington. For someone in government for nearly 20 years, she ended up, until the latest book blitz, broke. You can’t serve for two decades in local and state government and be poor—without being perceived as honest.
Her populism is anti-bailout, anti-take-over, anti-federal loan guarantees—and as anti-Wall Street as it is anti-Washington. And for many, that is found appealing: it cuts the legs from under both Rockefeller, beltway Republicans, and high-rolling Kerry-Gore-Edwards-Kenney-Pelosi multimillionaire liberal Democrats.
All of which brings us, again, back to the second question, where does Palinism lead? (It matters little that were she not so attractive, and were she not picked by John McCain, we would not now be discussing her; since were Jack Kennedy not charismatic and the son of a zillionaire, we would not have known him either.)
Palin must have at her fingertips far more elucidating answers than offered by any liberal icon—or what she showed in the 2008 campaign. If Sarah Palin thinks FDR was President in 1929, or that he could speak on non-existent TV, she is through; if Biden says that, it’s “just old Joe again.” If Obama does not know the first thing about our most prestigious medals, the language of Austria, or diplomatic protocol about presidential bowing, it’s because he is deliberately trying to be cool; if Palin did the same, she’s a buffoon hockey mom. That is the way it is, and her supporters should accept it, deal with, and overcome it.
In other words, Palinites should assume that there is no margin of error for her at all. Like it or not, she must, like Reagan, not only communicate, but also be able to draw on abstract concepts about conservatism. It does no good to say the media is biased, or to review the talking points offered above. She must be better than, not as good as, mainstream Democratic and Republican candidates in matters of foreign policy, gottacha recall, and talking points on health care, taxes, etc. Specificity, detail, and exactness, not generalities or whines about an unfair press, will make her a serious candidate.
The best thing she can do is to go out and talk, take her licks, promote her book, fend off foes, and gain experience in the arena of ideas—while spending her evenings reading and debating wonks and politicians. The marketplace of politics then will decide her fate, not pundits or political insiders. If she swims in the next year, she’s on her way; if she sinks, she will recede from our memory.
My own views?
I am prejudiced because what I learned over years of farming—dealing with California labor, environmental, legal, and tax regulations, pruning, tractor driving, listening to my grandfather, and handling unsavory characters, understanding plant physiology and fruit-production, etc.—I think gave me a different, but in the long run as good an education as a BA/PhD in Classical languages.
I found the former harder to do than the latter, the world of the one rather brutal and existential, of the other sheltered and protected. In other words, I would trust the judgment of someone with Palin’s background on matters of Iran or Honduras or Putin far more than I would someone of Obama’s resume. I would trust my neighbor who farms 180 acres more than I would a chairman of an academic department. I know, I know, there are extreme binaries, but they are reflective of the lack of autonomy and physicality today and the undue emphasis on elite schooling as prerequisites for success. We know now that you can do nothing and still finish as the head of Harvard Law Review, or win a Nobel Prize, but if you miss an antlered moose, or run out of gas in the tundra, or fall overboard on a salmon boat, there is no Norwegian committee or Harvard Law Dean to bail you out.
Such is not an argument for anti-intellectualism or a dismissal of in-depth scholarship and research, but rather a reminder that Palin has led a full life than can be enhanced by more formal investigation. A chatty, rarified Obama misses dearly a concrete past, where he had to succeed or fail on his own merits, in a competitive unkind environment, where the muscular world often conspires against the intellectual.
And boy, it sure shows as we are learning in just 10 months of his uninspired governance.
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Victor Davis Hanson nailed this one.
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1. pro choice
2. pro gun
3. she is HOT
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my bad pro life ;D
before i get slammed
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1. pro choice
2. pro gun
3. she is HOT
She is a Reaganite and loves this country. I am reading her book and you can tell off the pages that she cares about the following:
God
Family
Country
She is not a bitter marxist who wants to transform this nation into a USSR 2.0 or something like that. She is for basic values as envisioned by the founders, pro-drilling, pro-tax cuts, and pro-freedom.
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personally, it's because she acted like a recent college graduate looking the employer in the eye and assuring the interviewer she's ready to take the CEO position and be responsible for 40,000 jobs.
Then, she has the audacity to call the guy with a JD right next to her terrible for the job.
Plus, she can't open her mouth without whining about something. I cnat imagine our president whining every day on the mic - and that's what she does now, everytime she speaks. This victim mentality thing is a self-fulfilling prophesy, ya know?
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Well with the media its 100% that she is pro life and had a baby most would have aborted.That drives them nuts.
However,for guys like Lurker and 240,I think they think shes stupid and clownish.I think they have a legit dislike for her and think she isnt qualified.Much like you and I think Obama isnt qualified to be president.
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personally, it's because she acted like a recent college graduate looking the employer in the eye and assuring the interviewer she's ready to take the CEO position and be responsible for 40,000 jobs.
Then, she has the audacity to call the guy with a JD right next to her terrible for the job.
Plus, she can't open her mouth without whining about something. I cnat imagine our president whining every day on the mic - and that's what she does now, everytime she speaks. This victim mentality thing is a self-fulfilling prophesy, ya know?
Did you watch the hannity interview?
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havent watched hannity yet, can't get to youtube yet.
and again, she's better in 09 than in 08. she's had a year of prep.
But why did I think she was a terrible choice in 2008? Because she was barely qualified, an attack dog, and that shitty victim mentality. Shit on O all you want, but his speeches were about change and progress, hers were just screaming about how bad O was.
And to this day, a year later, every tweet, a lot of her book, etc.... all about bitching abd blaming, etc. I sure as F wouldn't tolerate a person in my friend circle whining and blaming all day, and I'd prefer POTUS wasnt a crybbay either.
jsut my 2 cents... she complains too much
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Prediction
Palin with never run for public office again
she doesn't have mental discipline
she can't raise the money
she can't allow getting stomped in an election to tarnish her celebrity status
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I guess not having Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan, BOA, Soros, and the rest of the banksters behind her like Obama does might be a problem.
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Prediction
Palin with never run for public office again
she doesn't have mental discipline
she can't raise the money
she can't allow getting stomped in an election to tarnish her celebrity status
Thats insane.She may never run,but money will be ZRO problem for her.She can raise as much as Obama.
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Well with the media its 100% that she is pro life and had a baby most would have aborted.That drives them nuts.
However,for guys like Lurker and 240,I think they think shes stupid and clownish.I think they have a legit dislike for her and think she isnt qualified.Much like you and I think Obama isnt qualified to be president.
this chicanery needs to stop.
sorry, im not impressed she didnt abort her baby because it had DS.
seriously, what the fuck is wrong with standards these days.
fucking morons.
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this chicanery needs to stop.
sorry, im not impressed she didnt abort her baby because it had DS.
seriously, what the fuck is wrong with standards these days.
fucking morons.
Why dont you go ask that question to the Nobel Prize committee?
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Thats insane.She may never run,but money will be ZRO problem for her.She can raise as much as Obama.
I seriously doubt it
she doesn't have anywhere near the broad based support that you need to raise the money to run a real campaign
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Since when is laughing at her "hating"?
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Why dont you go ask that question to the Nobel Prize committee?
are they registered voters?
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I seriously doubt it
she doesn't have anywhere near the broad based support that you need to raise the money to run a real campaign
Umm,Ron Paul out drew all the republicans last year in money.Where is his broad based support.She is going to sell over 7 million books.Id say thats a pretty broad base of appeal considering its far more then Obamas two books sold.If half of them give 100.00 thats 350 million.
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Umm,Ron Paul out drew all the republicans last year in money.Where is his broad based support.She is going to sell over 7 million books.Id say thats a pretty broad base of appeal considering its far more then Obamas two books sold.If half of them give 100.00 thats 350 million.
Yeah but Ron Paul is SMART, has been a member of Congress for years and knows what he's talking about (though I may not agree with him on many issues)
Don't you see the difference between Ron Paul and Sarah Palin?
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this chicanery needs to stop.
sorry, im not impressed she didnt abort her baby because it had DS.
seriously, what the fuck is wrong with standards these days.
fucking morons.
Right...im like "what the fuck does that have to do with anything at all...no one gets mad that she didnt abort her baby. That was a dumb ass thing to say
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personally, it's because she acted like a recent college graduate looking the employer in the eye and assuring the interviewer she's ready to take the CEO position and be responsible for 40,000 jobs.
Then, she has the audacity to call the guy with a JD right next to her terrible for the job.
Plus, she can't open her mouth without whining about something. I cnat imagine our president whining every day on the mic - and that's what she does now, everytime she speaks. This victim mentality thing is a self-fulfilling prophesy, ya know?
I know what you mean 240
I mean shit like rev. wright and whitey is keeping us down thesis's, FOX news media blah blah blah I get tired of that too...
funny how youve never mentioned it...
cover up 240 your liberal is showing.
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Yeah but Ron Paul is SMART, has been a member of Congress for years and knows what he's talking about (though I may not agree with him on many issues)
Don't you see the difference between Ron Paul and Sarah Palin?
I voted for Ron Paul and Id vote for him again.Being smart is not the issue.Having a MASSIVE following is.She has a MONSTER following.She spoke in Florida and drew 60,000 people.The idea that you think she wont get campaign donations is nuts.She will be BAY FAR the biggest draw republicans have and the BY FAR the biggest money maker they have.
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I voted for Ron Paul and Id vote for him again.Being smart is not the issue.Having a MASSIVE following is.She has a MONSTER following.She spoke in Florida and drew 60,000 people.The idea that you think she wont get campaign donations is nuts.She will be BAY FAR the biggest draw republicans have and the BY FAR the biggest money maker they have.
Billy, its not like she has Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan, Soros, AIG, and BOA behind her.
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Billy, its not like she has Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan, Soros, AIG, and BOA behind her.
Hogwash,if she runs,companies will get behind her.These companies give to both democrats and repubs in order to cover themselves.ESPECIALLY if she runs on cutting corporate tax rates and pay roll tax cuts.
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Hogwash,if she runs,companies will get behind her.These companies give to both democrats and repubs in order to cover themselves.ESPECIALLY if she runs on cutting corporate tax rates and pay roll tax cuts.
I used those companies because those were Obama's biggest donors. It is a myth that most of the money came from small donors.
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I don't like Sarah Palin and I would not vote for her personally.
However, to insult her intelligence as not up to par with the other bozo's in Washington is outrageous.
Liberals don't like her because she is an independent minded woman that doesn't fall in line with the cookie cutter mold of unattractive feminazi's that permeate the left. She has her own beliefs, her own values and she doesn't feel like she owes anybody anything.
Outside of Hollywood, where would you find a reasonably attractive woman that has an opinion on politics. How many women period, do you know that would list hunting and fishing as favorite recreational activities? Now shrink that list even further to include that she is pro life and has children.
The left pisses itself everytime she comes up because they can't explain her. All they can do is whine, make fun of her and complain.
I don't like Sarah Palin, but I like what she represents. But, what I like even more is the way she makes fat disgusting liberal women have coronaries and the way she causes liberal commentators to dedicate entire columns and broadcasts just to mock her. Palin exposes the close mindedness and envy that liberals have for free thinkers and for those that fall outside the lefts "status quo".
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Jon Stewart said it best
"When you peel back the layers of onion skin on SP, there's no onion there."
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Jon Stewart said it best
"When you peel back the layers of onion skin on SP, there's no onion there."
Oh fucking please. She has more substance and grit as a person than the entire left wing gang of marxists, tax cheats, wall street banksters, rainbow push idiots combined.
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The fear campaign against Obama and the Sexist treatment of Palin are equally as bad.
A disgrace.
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Jon Stewart said it best
"When you peel back the layers of onion skin on SP, there's no onion there."
No onion.....just hot air. :-X
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No onion.....just hot air. :-X
No Onion..No Hot Air...just NOTHING!!!!
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Who care Mons..atleast she's not a fraud.
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But she is a Quitter.
Millions adore her. She is earning millions now and good for her.
But she will never shake off her Quitter status.
Sandra
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But she is a Quitter.
Millions adore her. She is earning millions now and good for her.
But she will never shake off her Quitter status.
Sandra
obama quit the congress to be president, if it turns out this was all a ploy to help her get into congress or run for president then she didnt quit anymore so than obama did...
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obama quit the congress to be president, if it turns out this was all a ploy to help her get into congress or run for president then she didnt quit anymore so than obama did...
you're suggesting she quit being Gov of Alaska to run for POTUS/congress?
Didn't Obama step down after he won?
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you're suggesting she quit being Gov of Alaska to run for POTUS/congress?
Didn't Obama step down after he won?
whether he stepped down before or after isnt what the point is its that he STEPPED DOWN...
while the circumstances are obviously different the end result is the same he quit so did she...
did blago have to replace him with yet another moron after he stepped down?
he stepped down b/c something better came along explain to me how thats any different then what palin did?
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Correct me if I'm wrong. But isn't it the most usual practice that new presidents usually holds some public office?
On the top of my head last election: Mitt Romney, Ron Paul, Hillary Clinton, Bill Richardson, John McCain.
Didn't George Bush step down as a governor to be president?
Tony, Do you have a problem with all presidents or candidates who's been prepared to leave their office for the POTUS?
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Sarah is a real washington outsider, doesn't like politics as usual with the typical corruption & bureaucracy we see, has some regional quirks (dialect, speech cadence) and doesn't fit the liberal's mold as a powerful successful statesmen. The latter being the most significant reason why liberals, especially successful liberal women, have absolute disdane for her. They hate that she is a successful, attractive mother who forged her own path to power outside of the path they historically created during the women's rights movement.
I think she is on the right side of the vast majority of issues and is excellent in bringing a non-insider perspective to politics. The lifetime politicians that sit in congress & protect themselves have to go. She has learned a lot in the past year and is now a better overall candidate. I think Sarah is an incredible draw to many mainstream folks and she certainly can raise $ and draw crowds (has that celebrity appeal kind of like Obama did). She is charismatic and passionate. I believe she cares deeply for this country and has solid, unwaivering traditional conservative values. To me, that's better than the corrupt marxist politicians that are trying to change our country...even if they are more polished. However, I don't think Palin is qualified or has the disposition to be president and I think resigning the governorship of Alaska was a bad move if she wants to run for office again. I don't know what her political future brings, perhaps she will be a non-officed political force. Nevertheless, I am certain she will have a major influence on the 2010 and 2012 elections even if she isn't on the ticket.
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She's a brain dead moron who isn't anywhere near qualified enough to hold a position of power in this country. That's reason enough to hate her.
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She's a brain dead moron who isn't anywhere near qualified enough to hold a position of power in this country. That's reason enough to hate her.
Fine, why dont we apply the same reasoning to the brain dead idiot we have in the WH who does not even grasp the most rudementary concepts of basic economics? Maybe if you want to know why many of us hate Obama, itas because he too is brain dead idiot steeped in marxist idealogy.
I have seen no evidence whatsoever that Obama is smart or brilliant as the libs claim. All I have seen is a hard left idealogue whose lack of any personal experience in anything other than college sophistry is manifesting itself everywhere you look. He has received bogus accolades his entire life and is an incoherent joke when the rubber hits the road.
Please, show me where and how Obama has demonstraded his "brilliance"?
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Sarah is a real washington outsider, doesn't like politics as usual with the typical corruption & bureaucracy we see,
is this a joke?
should we bring up the numbers?
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So, you think Sarah is a washington insider? You think she fits in well with the career politicians there?
I'm not her biggest fan, but to call her brain dead is ignorant. There is a baseline amount of corruption and bureacracy that is probably inevitable but I'm pretty sure Palin would be choose to be involved with less than usual.
Man, some of you liberals hate her so much you slobber over insulting her. Interesting.
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is this a joke?
should we bring up the numbers?
Like what? Of the UE going to 13% officially in the next year?
The massive devaluation of the dollar?
The failed Stimulus bill?
The mess CFC created?
The KSM fiasco?
How about the numbers on the growth of the deficit and massive increase in waste fraud and abuse in medicair this past year?
What numbers do you want to discuss?
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So, you think Sarah is a washington insider? You think she fits in well with the career politicians there?
I'm not her biggest fan, but to call her brain dead is ignorant. There is a baseline amount of corruption and bureacracy that is probably inevitable but I'm pretty sure Palin would be choose to be involved with less than usual.
Man, some of you liberals hate her so much you slobber over insulting her. Interesting.
she was very liberal in spending with a dash of social handouts
who are you calling lib? :D. you know what? im not the lib, YOURE THE LIB! haha! i called you a lib! you're done now!
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Like what? Of the UE going to 13% officially in the next year?
The massive devaluation of the dollar?
The failed Stimulus bill?
The mess CFC created?
The KSM fiasco?
How about the numbers on the growth of the deficit and massive increase in waste fraud and abuse in medicair this past year?
What numbers do you want to discuss?
33, control yourself and stay on topic.
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Correct me if I'm wrong. But isn't it the most usual practice that new presidents usually holds some public office?
On the top of my head last election: Mitt Romney, Ron Paul, Hillary Clinton, Bill Richardson, John McCain.
Didn't George Bush step down as a governor to be president?
Tony, Do you have a problem with all presidents or candidates who's been prepared to leave their office for the POTUS?
I would say 99% of the US presidents have held public office just prior to becoming president with a few exceptions like washington, jackson etc...
I dont have a problem at all hedge my problem is with the uber liberals who want to bash palin for basically doing the same thing obama did.
Obama left his office b/c something better came along, is palin not better off now?
In that sense we are all quiters im sure everyone here has quit a job b/c a better one has come along... ::)
I agree with the idea she isnt qualified and was a horrible pick my problem is with the uber liberal inconsistency.
If she was a D they would love this woman John kerry's daughter got pulled over for DUI the other night and you had blacken700 in there saying ahh its not a big deal.
Could you imagine the bonanza and shitfest that would have ensued if palins daughter had done the same?
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Look, Sarah is not ready for president, but what gauls me are two things going on here.
1. The media created this image of Obama as being a brilliant Harvard lawyer, and no matter how much evidence emerges to the contrary, people still want to grasp on to that initial story line fed by the MSM.
2. The media created created an equal but opposite image of Palin, and no matter what evidence emerges to the contrary, many people refuse to accept otherwise and stillw ant to hold on to that initial spoon fed MSM garbage.
From what I can tell, Obama is not anywhere near a brilliant lawyer. I have seen not one shred of evidence to bring me to that conclusion that the MSM wanted me to believe.
By that same token, Sarah is judged by a double standard. Sure she has had plenty of gaffes. But by the same token her haters refuse to even acknowledge the same crap Obama or Biden do daily.
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Tony: Check this out. Obama was elected to the Senate in 2004, took office in 2005, and declared his run for the presidency in 2006, after a year and a half.
And you pleople bash Palin?
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Tony: Check this out. Obama was elected to the Senate in 2004, took office in 2005, and declared his run for the presidency in 2006, after a year and a half.
And you pleople bash Palin?
Come you obama voters - please tell me what experience Obama had between January 2005 and June 2006 that changed his not being qualified, to being qualified for President.
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Tony: Check this out. Obama was elected to the Senate in 2004, took office in 2005, and declared his run for the presidency in 2006, after a year and a half.
And you pleople bash Palin?
LOL hahahha ohhhhh SHIT
this guy gets better and better
you see the hypocrisy hedge?
that is my problem not obama but obviously obama wasnt qualified to be President just like obviously palin wasnt qualified to be VP
I called a spade a spade on both accounts...the uber libs you ask?
noooo they called palin unqualified, a bad mother, and a hill billy
obama, you ask?
ohhh they called him very qualified, a dedicated father, and "i have a tingle shooting up my leg"
::)
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Palin supported and defended the Bailout in 2008, even as conservative republicans called it a terrible idea.
I think that speaks volumes. Lots of dems and repubs "jumped on board" with party leadership to support the bill. Others had the backbone to defy it. She was NOT one of them. Simple enough. You want a Maverick? Vote for one of those folks that voted against the bailout.
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This clip completely destroys the liberals garbage on Palin as opposed to who they claimed was qualified for president.
Either both were, or both werent.
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2nd...from what I remember hearing, she had a balanced budget and wasn't a particularly big spender in Alaska.
If the budget is balanced and people aren't getting overtaxed, that's a great base. filthy lib! ;D
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whether he stepped down before or after isnt what the point is its that he STEPPED DOWN...
while the circumstances are obviously different the end result is the same he quit so did she...
did blago have to replace him with yet another moron after he stepped down?
he stepped down b/c something better came along explain to me how thats any different then what palin did?
oh brother - you can't be serious
you think stepping down as Senator to take the position of POTUS (after running for the job for 2 years) is equivalent to quiting as governor in the middle of your term to write a book and go on Oprrah. If she wanted to write a book she could have easily done it while staying in office (as many politicans have done)
Do you rmember the reason Palin gave for quiting? someething about passing the ball to win or some such other gibberish.
You can't possibly believe your own words in the post above
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2nd...from what I remember hearing, she had a balanced budget and wasn't a particularly big spender in Alaska.
Not real good at returning stuff either, whether it be a nice wardrobe or even taxpayer $
As governor, Palin canceled the Gravina Island Bridge in September 2007, saying that Congress had "little interest in spending any more money" due to what she called "inaccurate portrayals of the projects."[110] Alaska chose not to return the $442 million in federal transportation funds.[111]
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I think the crucifixion of Palin is unwarranted but why constantly bring Obama into it?
That just makes it a 'My dad is not as big whore as your dad' type of argument.
Some kind of 'argumentative competition' of which political celebrity is the biggest doofus.
Let's just agree that both Palin and Obama has been victimized in the media.
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I think the crucifixion of Palin is unwarranted but why constantly bring Obama into it?
That just makes it a 'My dad is not as big whore as your dad' type of argument.
Some kind of 'argumentative competition' of which political celebrity is the biggest doofus.
Let's just agree that both Palin and Obama has been victimized in the media.
Because the haters are applying a double standard that they themselves refuse to acknowledge.
Hedge - I posted the clip of Obama saying he was not qualified for president.in 2005. What did he do in a year and half that made him qualified in 2006?
The reason I am asking is because the people like Straw, Benny, 240, et al who tried to convince the rest of us how dumb and unqualified Sarah was or is, seem to have never acknowledged the fact that their own guy BY HIS OWN FUCKING DEFINITION was alo unqualified.
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2nd...from what I remember hearing, she had a balanced budget and wasn't a particularly big spender in Alaska.
If the budget is balanced and people aren't getting overtaxed, that's a great base. filthy lib! ;D
HANDLED :o
but seriously..
Most of alaskas budget comes from oil revenue....its a big ole sociaist state.
They give residents anual checks from the oil tax just for living there. Her constant rehtoric about limited government and anti-socialist policies is amusing.
alaska also is/ranks #1 in earmarks per capita. They recieve more federal tax funding per person than states x3 and x4 larger
its all a big fucking wash if you ask me.
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2nd...from what I remember hearing, she had a balanced budget and wasn't a particularly big spender in Alaska.
Not real good at returning stuff either, whether it be a nice wardrobe or even taxpayer $
As governor, Palin canceled the Gravina Island Bridge in September 2007, saying that Congress had "little interest in spending any more money" due to what she called "inaccurate portrayals of the projects."[110] Alaska chose not to return the $442 million in federal transportation funds.[111]
Most states are required by law to have a balanced budget
There are less people in the entire state of Alaska than in my city and they actually pay people to live there (socialist state??)
Any big city mayor has more relevent experience in running a government than Palin
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I would be ok with bloomberg as President. He would never get his anti-gun agenda through, but on economics and common sense, there are few better.
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Because the haters are applying a double standard that they themselves refuse to acknowledge.
Hedge - I posted the clip of Obama saying he was not qualified for president.in 2005. What did he do in a year and half that made him qualified in 2006?
The reason I am asking is because the people like Straw, Benny, 240, et al who tried to convince the rest of us how dumb and unqualified Sarah was or is, seem to have never acknowledged the fact that their own guy BY HIS OWN FUCKING DEFINITION was alo unqualified.
If Repubs thought Palin was qualified then they would have voted for McCain/Palin in large enough #'s that they would have won.
Personaly, I hope Palin runs in 2012 though I think she'd have to do it with a 3rd party as there is no way she'll be the Repub candidate
She's the political equivalent of a side show freak
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Because McCain sucked and was at the top of the ticket No 1.
No 2, no GOP candidate was going to win in 2008. People were rightfully sick of Bush and voted for "change". Do yuo think Romney/Huck had any better of a chance?
Most of the "inde" voters did not research on what they were voting for and largely ate the ready made msm shit sandwhich hook line and sinker. Most of those idiots dont pay attention like we do and pay attention the last few weeks of the campaign.
The last few weeks of the campaign, we had McLame suspend his campaign, TARP, "Fundamentals of the economy" , the Couric interview, etc.
At the same time, we had knee padding like never before by the MSM for Obama.
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Because McCain sucked and was at the top of the ticket No 1.
No 2, no GOP candidate was going to win in 2008. People were rightfully sick of Bush and voted for "change". Do yuo think Romney/Huck had any better of a chance?
Most of the "inde" voters did not research on what they were voting for and largely ate the ready made msm shit sandwhich hook line and sinker. Most of those idiots dont pay attention like we do and pay attention the last few weeks of the campaign.
The last few weeks of the campaign, we had McLame suspend his campaign, TARP, "Fundamentals of the economy" , the Couric interview, etc.
At the same time, we had knee padding like never before by the MSM for Obama.
I think all Repub candidates sucked.
McCain was their best chance and he sunk his campaign by his own actions (one of which was picking Palin).
All Palin has to do is raise money and get get votes in the primaries.
She'll suceed or fail on her own
She doesn't need to win over Dems/Libs/Progressives..whathever
She needs to win over the people in her party.
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Straw - do you think I was excited about voting for McCain? Seriously, do you think most GOP voters were happy voting for McCain? NO!
McCain is HATED by most conservatives and GOP voters. Couple that with Bush fatigue, which was warranted, Palin's situation, the economy, and whoala, president Obama.
If McCain had not chosen Palin, McLame would have lost by double digits. Many people like myself only voted for McCain as an anti-obama vote.
Look, would you have ever voted for McLame? No, of course not, even though he is considered a "moderate".
Palin was not ready for the assault she faced and did a great job under the circumstances. However, do you think that 6 million people made solely an anti-palin vote and switched from McCain to Obama solely for that reason? Of course not.
Palin could have aced the couric interview and it would not made much of a difference whatsoever.
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obama quit the congress to be president, if it turns out this was all a ploy to help her get into congress or run for president then she didnt quit anymore so than obama did...
are you high?
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Palin supported and defended the Bailout in 2008, even as conservative republicans called it a terrible idea.
I think that speaks volumes. Lots of dems and repubs "jumped on board" with party leadership to support the bill. Others had the backbone to defy it. She was NOT one of them. Simple enough. You want a Maverick? Vote for one of those folks that voted against the bailout.
arent you a conservative republican? Im mean thats what you always try to pass yourself off as ::)
didnt you support and argue nonstop for the bailouts?
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are you high?
Mal - did you watch the clip i posted?
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not yet. ill look at it in an hour
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oh brother - you can't be serious
you think stepping down as Senator to take the position of POTUS (after running for the job for 2 years) is equivalent to quiting as governor in the middle of your term to write a book and go on Oprrah. If she wanted to write a book she could have easily done it while staying in office (as many politicans have done)
Do you rmember the reason Palin gave for quiting? someething about passing the ball to win or some such other gibberish.
You can't possibly believe your own words in the post above
reread my posts numb nut...
the circumstance are different the result the same, deny that?
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The people don't lose an elected official at their service when a person moves to a higher office. this person continues serving their country or state.
The people lose a sworn servant when they leave to write books and do talk shows.
it's about service, tony.
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240 - If mcCain picked Romney as VP, do you think he would have won?
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Straw - do you think I was excited about voting for McCain? Seriously, do you think most GOP voters were happy voting for McCain? NO!
McCain is HATED by most conservatives and GOP voters. Couple that with Bush fatigue, which was warranted, Palin's situation, the economy, and whoala, president Obama.
If McCain had not chosen Palin, McLame would have lost by double digits. Many people like myself only voted for McCain as an anti-obama vote.
Look, would you have ever voted for McLame? No, of course not, even though he is considered a "moderate".
Palin was not ready for the assault she faced and did a great job under the circumstances. However, do you think that 6 million people made solely an anti-palin vote and switched from McCain to Obama solely for that reason? Of course not.
Palin could have aced the couric interview and it would not made much of a difference whatsoever.
McCAin made the same mistake that you and the Republican party are still making
He veered to the far right (one could even argue to the far radical right with the choice of Palin).
He should have run like the moderate he used to actually be and he would have had a much better chance of being POTUS
He tried to re-invent himself and only succeeded in turning off moderates and didn't get the conservatives who were never going to get behind him in the first place. Basically he sold out and people on both sides of the aisle could see right through it.
The country will never get behind a far right agenda (call it "conservative" or whatever you want) again any time soon.
If the Repubs want to get out of the political desert they will move away from the far right of their party. I believe some prominent members of the party knew this (remember the "listening tour" that Rush shit on and said they should go on a "talking" tour instead).
btw - the word I think you were looking for is "voila"
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yes
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The people don't lose an elected official at their service when a person moves to a higher office. this person continues serving their country or state.
The people lose a sworn servant when they leave to write books and do talk shows.
it's about service, tony.
LOL doesnt really apply when a person goes from senator to pres, they arent serving the original function they arent serving the state the way a senator would and if they are they are playing favorites and thats not really a good president is it?
I agree with your statement its about service but the end result was the same...deal with it
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reread my posts numb nut...
the circumstance are different the result the same, deny that?
it's called context
one left to take the highest political office in the world (no mystery he would leave since he was running for the job for2+ years)
the other left office completely out of the blue in the middle of her term and gave no comprehensible reason whatsoever
Surely you understand the difference
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Palin was not ready for the assault she faced and did a great job under the circumstances.
not ready for an "assualt" by the media but somehow ready for the job
I guess Obama was just lucky the media didn't assualt him ::)
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not ready for an "assualt" by the media but somehow ready for the job
I guess Obama was just lucky the media didn't assualt him ::)
Yes, obama is president solely because the media protected him because they wanted the story of the first black president. Obama had and still has no business being president with his record, associations, lack of any business experience, or anything even remotely approaching an understanding of business.
If the media had an ounce of integrity and di their job, Hillary would be president.
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Yes, obama is president solely because the media protected him because they wanted the story of the first black president. Obama had and still has no business being president with his record, associations, lack of any business experience, or anything even remotely approaching an understanding of business.
If the media had an ounce of integrity and di their job, Hillary would be president.
wow man - you're delusional.
where were you during the election
The media went after Obama as much or more than any other candidate
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wow man - you're delusional.
where were you during the election
The media went after Obama as much or more than any other candidate
ARE YOU FUKING RETARDED????
I think the majority on here would agree the media went after palin much more so than obama. ::)
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it's called context
one left to take the highest political office in the world (no mystery he would leave since he was running for the job for2+ years)
the other left office completely out of the blue in the middle of her term and gave no comprehensible reason whatsoever
Surely you understand the difference
You should seriously learn to read all the posts before responding b/c it makes you look like a jack ass.
I already said there was a difference, however if palin quitting was a ploy to get her more recognition etc. to run for congress or pres. than she really did the same shit.
of course the circumstances of their leaving office are different however was the end result not the same?
you keep side stepping this question...
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wow man - you're delusional.
where were you during the election
The media went after Obama as much or more than any other candidate
Are you sure you're not delusional? The media was in love with Obama and they still are.
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You should seriously learn to read all the posts before responding b/c it makes you look like a jack ass.
I already said there was a difference, however if palin quitting was a ploy to get her more recognition etc. to run for congress or pres. than she really did the same shit.
of course the circumstances of their leaving office are different however was the end result not the same?
you keep side stepping this question...
I read your post
your speculation on her motive is irrelevent and not well thought out (as usual for you).
Obmama and countless other politicians ran for higher office while holding a current office
The next election is not until 2012 and Palin's term as Governor was going to end in 2010 which would still give her plenty of time to campaign full time for POTUS.
Here's my speculation - Palin has no interest in public service and quit her job so she could devote as much time as possibly to personally enriching herself (nothing wrong with that). She's more interested in being a celebrity and completely lacks the skills to be a real leader (and to her credit I think she knows it)
Here's some "advices" for you - Try to find a way to get smarter.
if you really think that end result of is all that matters then again - YOU DON"T UNDERSTAND CONTEXT
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Are you sure you're not delusional? The media was in love with Obama and they still are.
I watched the media shit on all the candidates.
Obama got more than his share
If anything they were pretty easy on Palin and McCain in the beginning
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wow man - you're delusional.
where were you during the election
The media went after Obama as much or more than any other candidate
^^^THIS IS EXACTLY WHY LIBERALISM SHOULD BE CONSIDERED A MENTAL DISORDER.... Straw, seek help dude- you have no grip on reality at all.
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Imagine if Palin, Obama, Hillary, Biden, Romney, Huck, Rudy did not release the following records:
Obama's records that are not released.
1. Occidental College records -- Not released
2. Columbia College records -- Not released
3. Columbia Thesis paper -- 'not available'
4. Harvard College records -- Not released
5. Selective Service Registration -- Not released
6. Medical records -- Not released
7. Illinois State Senate schedule -- 'not available'
8. Law practice client list -- Not released
9. Certified Copy of original Birth certificate - - Not released
10. Embossed, signed paper Certification of Live Birth -- Not released
11. Harvard Law Review articles published -- None
12. University of Chicago scholarly articles -- None
13. Your Record of baptism-- Not released or 'not available'
14. Your Illinois State Senate records--'not available'
By esanch36 on Sep 22, 2008, 10:35 in Off Topic.
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^^^THIS IS EXACTLY WHY LIBERALISM SHOULD BE CONSIDERED A MENTAL DISORDER.... Straw, seek help dude- you have no grip on reality at all.
yeah I feel the exact same way about you guys.
I have no clue what you guys were watching but the only relevent media (IMO) is television and to a lesser extent radio and there was so much negative crap about Obama that I truly don't understand how you and others can claim otherwise
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I read your post
your speculation on here motive is irrelevent and not well thought out (as usual for you).
Obmama and countless other politicians ran for higher office while holding a current office
The next election is not until 2012 and Palin's term as Governor was going to end in 2010 which would still give her plenty of time to campaign full time for POTUS.
Here's my speculation - Palin has no interest in public service and quit her job so she could devote as much time as possibly to personally enriching herself (nothing wrong with that). She's more interested in being a celebrity and completely lacks the skills to be a real leader (and to her credit I think she knows it)
Here's some "advices" for you - Try to find a way to get smarter.
if you really think that end result of is all that matters then again - YOU DON"T UNDERSTAND CONTEXT
hahahaha you harassing me about my intelligence hahahhah classic only on getbig man only on getbig ;D :D
I completely understand context which is why I inserted a caveat you know like obama has inserted his cock into your ass?
I totally agree with your analysis of her actions not all of your biased reasoning though...
again did both quit?
are both quitters?
you should really try and answer this...
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yeah I feel the exact same way about you guys.
I have no clue what you guys were watching but the only relevent media (IMO) is television and to a lesser extent radio and there was so much negative crap about Obama that I truly don't understand how you and others can claim otherwise
dude you have slipped further into your dementia as this presidency has progressed.
You really are an idiot though if you think obama didnt get preferential treatment from the press
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Straw are you not concerned that the following were never released prior to Obama running for office:
Obama's records that are not released.
1. Occidental College records -- Not released
2. Columbia College records -- Not released
3. Columbia Thesis paper -- 'not available'
4. Harvard College records -- Not released
5. Selective Service Registration -- Not released
6. Medical records -- Not released
7. Illinois State Senate schedule -- 'not available'
8. Law practice client list -- Not released
9. Certified Copy of original Birth certificate - - Not released
10. Embossed, signed paper Certification of Live Birth -- Not released
11. Harvard Law Review articles published -- None
12. University of Chicago scholarly articles -- None
13. Your Record of baptism-- Not released or 'not available'
14. Your Illinois State Senate records--'not available'
By esanch36 on Sep 22, 2008, 10:35 in Off Topic.
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Straw are you not concerned that the following were never released prior to Obama running for office:
Obama's records that are not released.
1. Occidental College records -- Not released
2. Columbia College records -- Not released
3. Columbia Thesis paper -- 'not available'
4. Harvard College records -- Not released
5. Selective Service Registration -- Not released
6. Medical records -- Not released
7. Illinois State Senate schedule -- 'not available'
8. Law practice client list -- Not released
9. Certified Copy of original Birth certificate - - Not released
10. Embossed, signed paper Certification of Live Birth -- Not released
11. Harvard Law Review articles published -- None
12. University of Chicago scholarly articles -- None
13. Your Record of baptism-- Not released or 'not available'
14. Your Illinois State Senate records--'not available'
By esanch36 on Sep 22, 2008, 10:35 in Off Topic.
well now that you mention it his record of baptism is HUGE
the right wingers are this board are getting dumber by the day
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hahahaha you harassing me about my intelligence hahahhah classic only on getbig man only on getbig ;D :D
I completely understand context which is why I inserted a caveat you know like obama has inserted his cock into your ass?
I totally agree with your analysis of her actions not all of your biased reasoning though...
again did both quit?
are both quitters?
you should really try and answer this...
serious question - what point exactly do you think you're making here?
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well now that you mention it his record of baptism is HUGE
the right wingers are this board are getting dumber by the day
Please - you are a fucking joke Straw.
You picked the silliest one of the group to focus on while ignoring the larger issue. Obama got a free ride by the media and rest of the dolts who voted for him. Had palin done the same thing, you clowns would be all over her about it.
Now that your hero is showing himself to be the failure, empty suit, and clown we all said he was, you have to go to even further lengths to defend your embarassing shilling for this president by coming up with straw man arguments, very fitting for you, to avoid the reality that everything you accuse palin of Obama is equally, if not more, guilty of.
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well now that you mention it his record of baptism is HUGE
the right wingers are this board are getting dumber by the day
Maybe he is a muslim and faux Christian?
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Maybe he is a muslim and faux Christian?
an oldie but goodie
I couldn't give a rats ass either way
I figured you would at least know that by now
btw - I think most christians are "faux"
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wow man - you're delusional.
where were you during the election
The media went after Obama as much or more than any other candidate
That's an outright lie. I can't tell if you believe that because you're stupid or blinded by your liberal viewpoints.
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That's an outright lie. I can't tell if you believe that because you're stupid or blinded by your liberal viewpoints.
I'm stating my opinion as I saw it
feel free to prove me wrong
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That may be your opinion, but it is not based on reality or fact.
Hillary got far worse treatment by the media than did Obama and would be president today were it not for the msm's kneepadding.
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........because she's a legit threat, if she wasn't this would never be an issue. Liberals can't even give a GOOD reason on why they hate her. They believe they're the lies they make up about her. You actually think they would be smearing her like this is she wasn't attractive and smart? People hate her for those reasons and those reasons alone.
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That may be your opinion, but it is not based on reality or fact.
Hillary got far worse treatment by the media than did Obama and would be president today were it not for the msm's kneepadding.
ok - well again you can spend time trying to prove your point but in the end does it really matter
I thought the "talking point" here was that no one even watches MSM so why would it matter.
I've seen one study that showed that McCain got more negative coverage than Obama but, as always, details matter.
The same study showed that coverage of Obama started out more negative but got better during the campaign.
It said that McCains coverage got worse due the action of McCain during the financial crisis.
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Straw are you not concerned that the following were never released prior to Obama running for office:
Obama's records that are not released.
1. Occidental College records -- Not released
2. Columbia College records -- Not released
3. Columbia Thesis paper -- 'not available'
4. Harvard College records -- Not released
5. Selective Service Registration -- Not released
6. Medical records -- Not released
7. Illinois State Senate schedule -- 'not available'
8. Law practice client list -- Not released
9. Certified Copy of original Birth certificate - - Not released
10. Embossed, signed paper Certification of Live Birth -- Not released
11. Harvard Law Review articles published -- None
12. University of Chicago scholarly articles -- None
13. Your Record of baptism-- Not released or 'not available'
14. Your Illinois State Senate records--'not available'
By esanch36 on Sep 22, 2008, 10:35 in Off Topic.
Out of curiosity, why should most of those be released? I couldn't care less about something like his grades at Columbia or his record of baptism. Half the things on that list are private.
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Straw - I dont know how to tell you this any other way - MCCAIN SUCKED!
However, that does not alter the reality that the msm knee padded for obama then as they do now.
However, as far as Palin goes, there is a double standard that is not equally applied. Can you imagine if Palin said 57 states? or stealing feet and tonsils? Or how about "my muslim faith"? or how about the whole issue that mandates are not the same as taxes? Etc etc.
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I don't consider Palin being a real threat being our next President but it's fun watching liberal media using her for ratings. It's so obvious Rachel Maddow wants to have sex with Sarah just like the rest of us ;D
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Out of curiosity, why should most of those be released? I couldn't care less about something like his grades at Columbia or his record of baptism. Half the things on that list are private.
College Records and Law School? What is he wrote his thesis on something like "Why we need marxism is America"
Medical records? - what if his smoking is resulting in him being a major risk for cancer?
His BC? well i'll leave that alone.
His records from when he worked as ana attorney? What work did he do?
Thats the problem Bezerk - no one really knows who this guy really is. I read an article that no one from Columbia, either the students, the professors, or anyone even remembers him.
It just adds to the fact that people voted for a myth and pre-packaged storyline by the msm more than someone with a credible record and track hisdtory to where people knew what they were actually getting with him.
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College Records and Law School? What is he wrote his thesis on something like "Why we need marxism is America"
Medical records? - what if his smoking is resulting in him being a major risk for cancer?
His BC? well i'll leave that alone.
His records from when he worked as ana attorney? What work did he do?
Thats the problem Bezerk - no one really knows who this guy really is. I read an article that no one from Columbia, either the students, the professors, or anyone even remembers him.
It just adds to the fact that people voted for a myth and pre-packaged storyline by the msm more than someone with a credible record and track hisdtory to where people knew what they were actually getting with him.
So you think everything regarding this guy's life is fabricated? Personally, I don't give a shit what his thesis was about. My old roommate wrote his thesis in 3 days about a topic he couldn't have given two shits about. Should he have that held against him for the rest of his life? Hardly. ::)
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Bezerk - He has no record in the Senate other than having the most liberal voting record of any other Senator.
At least with Biden and McCain you have a history, something to go on.
With Obama, he only attended actual work in the Senate 143 days or something before rinning for pres.
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Bezerk - He has no record in the Senate other than having the most liberal voting record of any other Senator.
At least with Biden and McCain you have a history, something to go on.
With Obama, he only attended actual work in the Senate 143 days or something before rinning for pres.
Have Palin's college records been released? I've only seen her high school transcript, so enlighten me.
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Have Palin's college records been released? I've only seen her high school transcript, so enlighten me.
I dont know, but I have to look, but she is not president. Of course had McLame won she could have been etc.
Its just that no one really knows who Obama is. We have Rev. Wright, Ayeres, etc. We have sealed records and dubious medical records, no one really know WTF is going on.
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Have Palin's college records been released? I've only seen her high school transcript, so enlighten me.
I don't recall seeing proof that she was baptized either
Why did the media suppress this vital piece of information
What is she hiding
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Aren't all medical and educational records, by their very nature, sealed? I can't come to New York and request access to your medical or schooling records. Obama should be afforded the same rights we are. If he doesn't want to release them then that's his business.
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Straw - I dont know how to tell you this any other way - MCCAIN SUCKED!
However, that does not alter the reality that the msm knee padded for obama then as they do now.
However, as far as Palin goes, there is a double standard that is not equally applied. Can you imagine if Palin said 57 states? or stealing feet and tonsils? Or how about "my muslim faith"? or how about the whole issue that mandates are not the same as taxes? Etc etc.
Of course McCAin Sucked
The larger question would be why Repub voters gave him all those victories the primaries
the people spoke and they chose McCain
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Aren't all medical and educational records, by their very nature, sealed? I can't come to New York and request access to your medical or schooling records. Obama should be afforded the same rights we are. If he doesn't want to release them then that's his business.
Bezerk - here is the crazy thing - i was an editor on Law Review where I went. I authored an article on the 2nd Amendment as it relates to environmental law suits relating to trap shooting in areas protected by wetlands areas etc. Its public record etc. as an editor of law review, Obama normally would have had to author a law review article. I was on law review myself and know the requirements etc. This is why i find this whole thing crazy.
Additionally, he was a college professor for many years, yet never authored any law articles. This is unheard of. Almost all professors are required to publish as a condition of their employment. Yet, there is no record of him ever writing a scholarly law review or law related piece.
Its just very strange.
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Well, the Law Review articles should be released. That doesn't make any sense and it is strange that someone from Harvard hasn't leaked one of his articles yet. I don't know about Harvard but I've been in the Yale Law Library and I could have had access to all the articles written by people there. But I don't think his medical or school records should be public unless he releases them himself. It's his right to keep them private if he wants.
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Have Palin's college records been released? I've only seen her high school transcript, so enlighten me.
here ya go BF...Afraid though..there will be no enlightening here..check out the sat scores...hahahahahaha
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Hey Mal: now is your time to get our of medicine. They are even going after botox, lipo, boob jobs, etc.
Did you ever believe that Obama would be the one to render your medical career akin to working in the DMV?
On a serious note, Bill Gates never graduated college, so whats your point? No saying Sarah is Bill Gates, but . . . . . . . ;D ;D ;D
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Hahaha, she really scored in the low 800s? I remember some of my buddies doing that and they were in the bottom 25% of my class. This woman wants to be in a position of power? Jesus.
Having a college degree from a reputable university and even a graduate degree should be a requirement for serving in the type of political role Palin wants.
Bill Gates accomplished a hell of a lot after he left Harvard. Palin's accomplishments pale in comparison. It's not like she can say, "Well I didn't do much in school but my accolades after the fact make up for it."
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Hahaha, she really scored in the low 800s? I remember some of my buddies doing that and they were in the bottom 25% of my class. This woman wants to be in a position of power? Jesus.
Having a college degree from a reputable university and even a graduate degree should be a requirement for serving in the typing of position of power Palin wants.
Bill Gates accomplished a hell of a lot after he left Harvard. Palin's accomplishments pale in comparison. It's not like she can say, "Well I didn't do much in school but my accolades after the fact make up for it."
I did not do well on my SAT yet finished in the top of my law school class and finished in the top 5% of bar exam takers.
I have met many "smart lawyers" I would not trust to wash my car let alone rin a large organization.
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Mccain graduated 894th out of 899 people in his navy class also.
2008 was not a banner year for republican intellectualism. Remember palin saying there was evidence man and dinosaurs walked together on earth 5000 years ago? lol...
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I did not do well on my SAT yet finished in the top of my law school class and finished in the top 5% of bar exam takers.
I have met many "smart lawyers" I would not trust to wash my car let alone rin a large organization.
I'm not one to harp on SAT scores as a beacon of intelligence considering most people look at them as jokes and don't prepare for them. But that coupled with her high school GPA and her bouncing around five schools in five years would lead me to believe that she's just not very smart. Her interviews and "backassward" comments only solidify the notion the notion that she's an idiot.
And it's not like she has a graduate degree to fall back on. Those five undergrad schools were the extent of her education. Plenty of people fuck up in undergrad and make up for it in graduate school. She didn't.
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Mccain graduated 894th out of 899 people in his navy class also.
2008 was not a banner year for republican intellectualism. Remember palin saying there was evidence man and dinosaurs walked together on earth 5000 years ago? lol...
Show me that one 240.
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I want someone with good policies. I would rather have a dumb free market low tax capitalist than a brilliant marxist who wants to have state controlled economy and 5 year plans etc.
Catch my drift?
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2.2 high school GPA is not good.
SAT that low is poor.
Five colleges in 6 years for a "BA in journalism" isn't great.
However, if her work record or writings were something major, that would account for it - just as mccain made up for poor college with a lifetie of legislative work.
Palin worked as a sports anchor, PTA president, mayor, and short stint as governor. No writings, no major intellectual contributions.
That DOESNT MATTER, unless she's running for "Smartest person". She's not. She was running for VP. Now, when mccain said "Palin knows more about energy than anyone else IN THE UNITED STATES", well that was an exaggerated claim and obvious lie. Other than that, I dont care if the candidate isn't smart.
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Mccain graduated 894th out of 899 people in his navy class also.
2008 was not a banner year for republican intellectualism. Remember palin saying there was evidence man and dinosaurs walked together on earth 5000 years ago? lol...
Are you positive she said that. I just cant believe that until i see something that prooves it
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http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ei=GvIGS7a-K9L-nQfV7pC2Cw&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&ved=0CAYQBSgA&q=palin+5000+years+dinosaurs&spell=1
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I'm not one to harp on SAT scores as a beacon of intelligence considering most people look at them as jokes and don't prepare for them. But that coupled with her high school GPA and her bouncing around five schools in five years would lead me to believe that she's just not very smart. Her interviews and "backassward" comments only solidify the notion the notion that she's an idiot.
And it's not like she has a graduate degree to fall back on. Those five undergrad schools were the extent of her education. Plenty of people fuck up in undergrad and make up for it in graduate school. She didn't.
I think 2 of them were junior colleges
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Ok berserk, then I guess it would be safe to that Obamas accomplishments pale in comparison to Palins......right? Obama was a "community organizer" Palin ran a state....successfully.
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I'm not harping on intelligence but come on, there has to be some kind of line. A 2.2 high school GPA and an 800 SAT score is embarrassing. This is a woman who wants to be leader of the most powerful nation on the planet. You're telling me she's qualified for it? I can't get behind someone that hasn't accomplished anything in school or outside of it.
If she had proven that she was smart and capable after school then sure, it would be different. But as it stands, she's done nothing but show that she's as dumb as her grades indicate. Making comments about Russia being in Alaskan's backyards and "backassward" stuff doesn't help her.
It's not letting me insert quotes but Joe, she didn't even run Alaska for a full term. And during the time she was actually "running" Alaska she was too busy trying to cover up teenage pregnancies and firing police officers as favors.
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240 - I am reading her book and she says that her goal was to graduate without any debt whatsoever. She says she had no money and had to take time off to work to pay her way. Her parents did not have much money and could not help her with college.
Her book really gives insight into her thinking and early life and I think if you read it, certain things would not be the joke you make it out to be.
im not trying to change your mind, but she really comes across as a lower middle class kid trying to survive with no money in this book.
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http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ei=GvIGS7a-K9L-nQfV7pC2Cw&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&ved=0CAYQBSgA&q=palin+5000+years+dinosaurs&spell=1
simply...wow... she saw pictures of human foot prints inside those of dinosaurs. are you kiddin me
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I'm not harping on intelligence but come on, there has to be some kind of line. A 2.2 high school GPA and an 800 SAT score is embarrassing. This is a woman who wants to be leader of the most powerful nation on the planet. You're telling me she's qualified for it? I can't get behind someone that hasn't accomplished anything in school or outside of it.
If she had proven that she was smart and capable after school then sure, it would be different. But as it stands, she's done nothing but show that she's as dumb as her grades indicate. Making comments about Russia being in Alaskan's backyards and "backassward" stuff doesn't help her.
It's not letting me insert quotes but Joe, she didn't even run Alaska for a full term. And during the time she was actually "running" Alaska she was too busy trying to cover up teenage pregnancies and firing police officers as favors.
sorry Bezerk - but you are dead wrong on that. There is a part of Alaska where you can see Russia.
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sorry Bezerk - but you are dead wrong on that. There is a part of Alaska where you can see Russia.
Yes, but not from her doorstep. Quite the backasswards comment she made. :D
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sorry Bezerk - but you are dead wrong on that. There is a part of Alaska where you can see Russia.
dude youre killin me 333...quit doin this shit...quit exusing all this bonehead shit...
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dude youre killin me 333...quit doin this shit...quit exusing all this bonehead shit...
Look if you are going to bash her, at least be accurate. When you bash her on fake shit, you look as dumb as you think she does.
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2.2 high school GPA is not good.
SAT that low is poor.
Five colleges in 6 years for a "BA in journalism" isn't great.
However, if her work record or writings were something major, that would account for it - just as mccain made up for poor college with a lifetie of legislative work.
Palin worked as a sports anchor, PTA president, mayor, and short stint as governor. No writings, no major intellectual contributions.
That DOESNT MATTER, unless she's running for "Smartest person". She's not. She was running for VP. Now, when mccain said "Palin knows more about energy than anyone else IN THE UNITED STATES", well that was an exaggerated claim and obvious lie. Other than that, I dont care if the candidate isn't smart.
The reason Palin went to multiple colleges in six years is because of FINANCIAL issues. She would go to school one year, take a year off, then return to school, when she had the funds.
That is hardly uncommon, among working people who try to get a degree. That's also why she started entering beauty paegants, as some offered scholarship money, if she placed high enough.
The bottom line is that she got her degree. And, at the end of the day, she became a mayor, a governor, and could possibly make the run for president.
Once you get into the real world, few (if any) care about your SAT scores. They want to know, if you can get the job done. I know people, who got high SAT scores, graduated from college cum laude or higher, yet can't hold a job to save their lives.
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The reason Palin went to multiple colleges in six years is because of FINANCIAL issues. She would go to school one year, take a year off, then return to school, when she had the funds.
That is hardly uncommon, among working people who try to get a degree. That's also why she started entering beauty paegants, as some offered scholarship money, if she placed high enough.
The bottom line is that she got her degree. And, at the end of the day, she became a mayor, a governor, and could possibly make the run for president.
Once you get into the real world, few (if any) care about your SAT scores. They want to know, if you can get the job done. I know people, who got high SAT scores, graduated from college cum laude or higher, yet can't hold a job to save their lives.
no you dont...you are lying
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Can You Really See Russia From Alaska?
Yes, but only the boring parts.
By Nina Shen Rastogi
Posted Monday, Sept. 15, 2008, at 5:25 PM ET
Neighbors Russia and Alaska
In her Sept. 11 interview with ABC's Charlie Gibson, Sarah Palin had this to say about Russia: "They're our next-door neighbors, and you can actually see Russia from land here in Alaska, from an island in Alaska." Is that true?
Yes. Russia and Alaska are divided by the Bering Strait, which is about 55 miles at its narrowest point. In the middle of the Bering Strait are two small, sparsely populated islands: Big Diomede, which sits in Russian territory, and Little Diomede, which is part of the United States. At their closest, these two islands are a little less than two and a half miles apart, which means that, on a clear day, you can definitely see one from the other. (To see the view of Big Diomede from Little Diomede, check out this webcam.) The Diomede Islands are often blanketed by persistent fog, which makes visibility difficult. On a clear day, though, a person standing at sea level can see a little less than three miles across the ocean. You can see farther if you go higher—at the highest altitude on Little Diomede (919 feet), you can see for about 37 miles. (Between mid-December and mid-June, when the water between the two islands freezes, an intrepid explorer can just walk from one to the other.)
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Like I said, you guys can bash her, but at least be accurate. Otherwise, you look worse than she does.
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no you dont...you are lying
Wrong!!!
It's called work ethic (or lack thereof). That's the reason these folks are chronically unemployed, DESPITE their grades and test scores.
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There's a difference between graduating from college cum laude and not being able to hold a job and having the access codes to this country's nukes. A woman with a 2.2 high school GPA should not be President of the USA.
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There's a difference between graduating from college cum laude and not being able to hold a job and having the access codes to this country's nukes. A woman with a 2.2 high school GPA should not be President of the USA.
NEWS FLASH!!!
This ain't high school. When unemployment is over 10% (12.5% in California), people are looking for someone with the basic sense and ability to correct the problem. They DO NOT CARE what his/her GPA was in high school 25 years ago.
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NEWS FLASH!!!
This ain't high school. When unemployment is over 10% (12.5% in California), people are looking for someone with the basic sense and ability to correct the problem. They DO NOT CARE what his/her GPA was in high school 25 years ago.
NEWS FLASH!!!!
Her actions since school do not indicate that she is qualified or capable of handling that position. Her interviews have shown her to be pretty much brain dead.
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Wrong!!!
It's called work ethic (or lack thereof). That's the reason these folks are chronically unemployed, DESPITE their grades and test scores.
Thats the thing..To graduate that high....you have to have a good work ethic. Now if they cant hold a job because they curse out the boss, i can see that. But you dont know anyone who graduated MCL Or SCL and cant hold a job...thats a fib and you know it. dont be trying to lie just to defend this assclown..and youre an assclown for lying
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"Pitbull with lip stick"
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NEWS FLASH!!!
This ain't high school. When unemployment is over 10% (12.5% in California), people are looking for someone with the basic sense and ability to correct the problem. They DO NOT CARE what his/her GPA was in high school 25 years ago.
i do..it shows her work ethic or lack of...oh yeah..she quit...thats the leadership we need
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i do..it shows her work ethic or lack of...oh yeah..she quit...thats the leadership we need
The grades are just the icing on the cake. The rest of her actions have shown her to be a moron. Between her interviews and conduct, all signs point to her being completely incapable of being President or VP.
Can you imagine this "pitbull with lipstick" meeting Putin? ::)
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NEWS FLASH!!!!
Her actions since school do not indicate that she is qualified or capable of that position. Her interviews have shown her to be pretty much brain dead.
She is no less qualified than the guy who currently sit in the White House (who incidentally has virtually NO executive experience).
"Brain dead" is thinking you can sweet talk dictators into giving up their nukes.
"Brain dead" is trying terrorists, who masterminded killing 3,000 of your citizens in civilian court.
"Brain dead" is raising taxes and signing a so-called stimulus package, when everybody and their mama knows that such will lead to HIGHER UNEMPLOYMENT (which it has).
So, if anyone appears to be "brain dead", it's the guy with the degree from Harvard in the White House.
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This is funny. You guys keep lumping me in with Obama. I didn't vote for him. Do I think he's much more qualified than Palin, though? Definitely.
I shudder to think what this country would end up like should she become President.
This is the most powerful nation on the planet. A pitbull with lipstick should not be running it, nor should she hold any important position.
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I have clients worth millions of dollars who run very large businesses who never went to college that would embarass 99% of the Senate in a debate on almost any issue.
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She is no less qualified than the guy who currently sit in the White House (who incidentally has virtually NO executive experience).
"Brain dead" is thinking you can sweet talk dictators into giving up their nukes.
"Brain dead" is trying terrorists, who masterminded killing 3,000 of your citizens in civilian court.
"Brain dead" is raising taxes and signing a so-called stimulus package, when everybody and their mama knows that such will lead to HIGHER UNEMPLOYMENT (which it has).
So, if anyone appears to be "brain dead", it's the guy with the degree from Harvard in the White House.
jesus h christ mcway..you are really pissin me off over here (just kiddin)but seriously, bullying dont work...we tried that under your guy. Trying terroists...well aint that what seperates us from other shitty countries who just kill with no reguards for human life.
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I have clients worth millions of dollars who run very large businesses who never went to college that would embarass 99% of the Senate in a debate on almost any issue.
Again, the college issue means jack shit. It's that and everything else that's the issue. Her interviews have shown that she isn't smart. Her time spent running Alaska was rife with corruption scandals and pregnancy cover ups. NOTHING indicates that she is anywhere near qualified for a position of power.
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I watched the media shit on all the candidates.
Obama got more than his share
If anything they were pretty easy on Palin and McCain in the beginning
The media attack on Palin was unprecedented. Even Obama himself had to make a statement along the lines of keeping her family out it.
Every single thing about her was attacked with ferocity.
I hardly agree with anything you say, but unlike some of the other trolls around here you at least try to form a coherent argument. But thinking the media coverage was at worst equal is completely nonsensical, even the looniest of lefties. This topic dominated talk radio for weeks, there's even a book that came out recently about it.
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The grades are just the icing on the cake. The rest of her actions have shown her to be a moron. Between her interviews and conduct, all signs point to her being completely incapable of being President or VP.
Can you imagine this "pitbull with lipstick" meeting Putin? ::)
Uh, did you pay attention to Obama bowing to everyone he possibly could?
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Uh, did you pay attention to Obama bowing to everyone he possibly could?
Again, can you show where I've supported Obama's actions? I believe my feelings for Muslim dictators is well documented on here.
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I have clients worth millions of dollars who run very large businesses who never went to college that would embarass 99% of the Senate in a debate on almost any issue.
oh yeah...my dad can off life experience...and he didnt go to college..He didnt go to school because he was a hustler...But palin...dude seriously
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Preganancy cover ups?
What the hell are you talking about?
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oh yeah...my dad can off life experience...and he didnt go to college..He didnt go to school because he was a hustler...But palin...dude seriously
There's a difference between being worth millions of dollars and running the most powerful country on the planet. And even though those people have no degrees, their accomplishments in life indicate that they're obviously very smart and capable. Palin's accomplishments? Not so much.
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Again, can you show where I've supported Obama's actions? I believe my feelings for Muslim dictators is well documented on here.
I'm just saying, you cant possibly bash her on things she never did, while totally ignoring the joke we have in the WH.
What could she possibly do worse than bow in a manner not called for protocol, history, or anything else of that nature?
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jesus h christ mcway..you are really pissin me off over here (just kiddin)but seriously, bullying dont work...we tried that under your guy. Trying terroists...well aint that what seperates us from other shitty countries who just kill with no reguards for human life.
Those terrorists can be (and should be) tried in MILITARY court, as would any other military combatant.
Obama can barely get himself to call these guys terrorists. He's more worried about offending other Muslims and the "international community" than he is about protecting our country and our people.
As if that weren't enough, he stated emphatically that Afghanistan was the war of necessity, a war WE HAD TO WIN. So, why does his general have to keep begging him, for over THREE MONTHS, to get the troops he needs to get the job done?
If that's Harvard intellect, I'll take Palin's so-called incapability, any day of the week.
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I'm just saying, you cant possibly bash her on things she never did, while totally ignoring the joke we have in the WH.
What could she possibly do worse than bow in a manner not called for protocol, history, or anything else of that nature?
What can she possibly do? Oh, I don't know. Destroy this country from the inside out? She's a fear mongering retard and nothing more.
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What can she possibly do? Oh, I don't know. Destroy this country from the inside out? She's a fear mongering retard and nothing more.
Thats my point.
You are worried about what she possibly could do, while the present admn is passing job killing, economy killing, irrational, expensive, reckless bills and laws that will do far more damage than what she would do.
Just crap & tax alone is a disaster of biblical proportion.
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Whatever Obama is doing would pale in comparison to the travesties Palin would enact upon this country.
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Whatever Obama is doing would pale in comparison to the travesties Palin would enact upon this country.
Ok. like what?
Taxes?
Energy?
Give me the policy you specfically think she would enact that would destroy this country?
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Ok. like what?
Taxes?
Energy?
Give me the policy you specfically think she would enact that would destroy this country?
I can't even imagine this woman trying to fix the economy.
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I can't even imagine this woman trying to fix the economy.
Be specific BF. What do you think she would do? You're just speaking in generalities. The thing is, with the Dems in charge of Congress, she'd be very limited anyway.
Take the potential looming disasters this administration is putting forth. What specific policies would be worse.
And, to restate, I don't consider Palin to be Presidential material. It's just that all the criticisms lobbied her way can easily be applied to the guy in there now.
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I can't even imagine this woman trying to fix the economy.
Serious Bezerk, I really want to get down to the bottom of the hatred of this woman. What policy do you think she would enact that would be a disaster?
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Be specific BF. What do you think she would do? You're just speaking in generalities. The thing is, with the Dems in charge of Congress, she'd be very limited anyway.
Take the potential looming disasters this administration is putting forth. What specific policies would be worse.
And, to restate, I don't consider Palin to be Presidential material. It's just that all the criticisms lobbied her way can easily be applied to the guy in there now.
I see her focusing on the same issues the typical neocon does. Gay marriage, abortion and the like. Issues that, in the grand scheme of things, are not very important.
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I see her focusing on the same issues the typical neocon does. Gay marriage, abortion and the like. Issues that, in the grand scheme of things, are not very important.
I think it's a ridiculous assumption to think that any President would ignore the economy if they were in office right now. It would be like having this guy in office:
You have to come up with something of more substance. She would not be focusing on gay marriage and abortion at the expense of the economy and the war.
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I see her focusing on the same issues the typical neocon does. Gay marriage, abortion and the like. Issues that, in the grand scheme of things, are not very important.
Not true!
Her main issue has always been energy and the need to develop domestic energy resources so we get off the dependence of foreign oil. I guess you never saw this interview with her?
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In october, mccain should have demoted palin to future-energy-czar due to family issues, and promoted romney to VP.
He would have won the election. Keep all the palin worshippers, lose everyone who hatd on her for being too dumb to be veep, and gained economic credibility isntantly.
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WHERE DID THIS PALIN GO???????????
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Serious Bezerk, I really want to get down to the bottom of the hatred of this woman. What policy do you think she would enact that would be a disaster?
I think hatred is much too strong a word (I think part of the reason the right thinks there is hatred is because of their own feelings of hatred for people they don't like which they are projecting outward).
The strongest words I can think of in reference to Palin are disdain and disgust (and even that might be too strong).
I do find it interesting that you seem truly baffled as to why people might not be as enchanted as you seem to be with this woman.
You really don't get it do you?
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I think hatred is much too strong a word (I think part of the reason the right thinks there is hatred is because of their own feelings of hatred for people they don't like which they are projecting outward).
The strongest words I can think of in reference to Palin are disdain and disgust (and even that might be too strong).
I do find it interesting that you seem truly baffled as to why people might not be as enchanted as you seem to be with this woman.
You really don't get it do you?
I can understand it, but lets talk about why you are digsuted with her.
Is she raising your taxes?
Is she devaluing your dollar?
Is she trying to screw you on a massive health care bill?
Is she spending your into oblivion?
If you want to talk about the policies she supports which disgust you, fine. Look, you know I am disgusted with Obama, but is it about the fact that he is black or some other type of stupid reason? Maybe sometimes.
However, most of the reasons myself, and many others here are disgusted with Obama are his policies and actions that actually affect our daily lives. As far as I can tell Palin has no impact on your life whatsoever.
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I can understand it, but lets talk about why you are digsuted with her.
Is she raising your taxes?
Is she devaluing your dollar?
Is she trying to screw you on a massive health care bill?
Is she spending your into oblivion?
If you want to talk about the policies she supports which disgust you, fine. Look, you know I am disgusted with Obama, but is it about the fact that he is black or some other type of stupid reason? Maybe sometimes.
However, most of the reasons myself, and many others here are disgusted with Obama are his policies and actions that actually affect our daily lives. As far as I can tell Palin has no impact on your life whatsoever.
I'm not sure if you aware of this but I live in CA and Palin does not hold any political office and has no effect on my life
do you want to have a real discussion or would you rather just regurgitate your usual litany of perceived offenses by Obama?
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I asked you what disgusts you about her?
Her looks?
Her policies?
Her speeches?
What?
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I asked you what disgusts you about her?
Her looks?
Her policies?
Her speeches?
What?
I said disgust and disdain were the strongest words I would use and maybe that is too strong.
The clip where Nora O'Donnel interviews the father/daughter waiting in line to meet Palin are a perfect example.
The father said Palin is a “real person” and “tells it like it is”. The response from many of us would be that she’s completely phony and is a pathological liar. Literally the exact opposite of what that man said. When O’Donnell probes for a more precise reason why they liked Palin it was revealed that the pair were completely misinformed about Palins position on the bailout and were at a total loss for anything specific. Their devotion to Palin was purely a gut level, emotional response.
My own personal thoughts are that Palin is completely unqualified for any position of leadership and on a more personal level (as I’ve stated above) is a complete phony and a pathological liar. She doesn’t give two shits about our country and only cares about enriching herself and seems more than happy to do it at the expense of others.
The interesting thing to me is that I can see why certain people would find Palin appealing but that you seem to be completely clueless as to why people might not like her and you think it simply “hatred”
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I said disgust and disdain were the strongest words I would use and maybe that is too strong.
The clip where Nora O'Donnel interviews the father/daughter waiting in line to meet Palin are a perfect example.
The father said Palin is a “real person” and “tells it like it is”. The response from many of us would be that she’s completely phony and is a pathological liar. Literally the exact opposite of what that man said. When O’Donnell probes for a more precise reason why they liked Palin it was revealed that the pair were completely misinformed about Palins position on the bailout and were at a total loss for anything specific. There devotion to Palin was purely a gut level, emotional response.
My own personal thoughts are that Palin is completely unqualified for any position of leadership and on a more personal level (as I’ve stated above) is a complete phony and a pathological liar. She doesn’t give two shits about our country and only cares about enriching herself and seems more than happy to do it at the expense of others.
The interesting thing to me is that I can see why certain people would find Palin appealing but that you seem to be completely clueless as to why people might not like her and you think it simply “hatred”
Examples ?
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Examples ?
Bridge to Nowhere - said she was against it and said "no thanks" when in fact she endorsed the project while campaigning for governor and only turned against it after it became a political albatros:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122090791901411709.html?mod=googlenews_wsj
More to the point of the "pathological" lies was Palin claim of vindication in the Troopergate scandal when the exact opposite as true
http://www.adn.com/opinion/sarah-palin/story/556249.html
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Bridge to Nowhere - said she was against it and said "no thanks" when in fact she endorsed the project while campaigning for governor and only turned against it after it became a political albatros:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122090791901411709.html?mod=googlenews_wsj
More to the point of the "pathological" lies was Palin claim of vindication in the Troopergate scandal when the exact opposite as true
http://www.adn.com/opinion/sarah-palin/story/556249.html
She said as Governor she was against it, and as Governor she was. So how does that make her a 'Pathological Lair" ?
Do you even know the definition of "Pathological Liar" ?
Obama's Documented Lies: 158 and remarkably still growing
http://obamawtf.blogspot.com/2008/05/documented-lie-50-obama-claimed-he-had.html
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She said as Governor she was against it, and as Governor she was. So how does that make her a 'Pathological Lair" ?
Do you even know the definition of "Pathological Liar" ?
Obama's Documented Lies: 158 and remarkably still growing
http://obamawtf.blogspot.com/2008/05/documented-lie-50-obama-claimed-he-had.html
I'm talking about Palin not Obama and I'm addressing 333's seeming amazment that anyone could not like the woman or think she was unfit to hold office. I listed two examples that are obviously many more.
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I said disgust and disdain were the strongest words I would use and maybe that is too strong.
The clip where Nora O'Donnel interviews the father/daughter waiting in line to meet Palin are a perfect example.
The father said Palin is a “real person” and “tells it like it is”. The response from many of us would be that she’s completely phony and is a pathological liar. Literally the exact opposite of what that man said. When O’Donnell probes for a more precise reason why they liked Palin it was revealed that the pair were completely misinformed about Palins position on the bailout and were at a total loss for anything specific. There devotion to Palin was purely a gut level, emotional response.
My own personal thoughts are that Palin is completely unqualified for any position of leadership and on a more personal level (as I’ve stated above) is a complete phony and a pathological liar. She doesn’t give two shits about our country and only cares about enriching herself and seems more than happy to do it at the expense of others.
The interesting thing to me is that I can see why certain people would find Palin appealing but that you seem to be completely clueless as to why people might not like her and you think it simply “hatred”
Unreal. Everything you accuse palin and her supporters of Obama and his supporters are equally guilty of if not worse, yet you are silent on that. Given that you did not address why you are disgusted with palin, but her supporters, i will ask you again, whgat about palin herself disguysts you?
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Unreal. Everything you accuse palin and her supporters of Obama and his supporters are equally guilty of if not worse, yet you are silent on that. Given that you did not address why you are disgusted with palin, but her supporters, i will ask you again, whgat about palin herself disguysts you?
We're talking about Palin not Obama
I've just told you what I don't like about her?
What part don't you understand?
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The response from many of us would be that she’s completely phony and is a pathological liar
I'll ask again:
Do you even know the definition of "Pathological Liar" ?
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I'll ask again:
Do you even know the definition of "Pathological Liar" ?
yes
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yes
Well then tell what is us your definition of what qualifies a person as a "Pathological Liar ?
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Well then tell what is us your definition of a "Pathological Liar ?
you forgot to say please
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See this is where you become a laughing stock. You claim you are disguated wqith palin because you think she lies. YET, whe it is pointed out to you that Obama also lies in a minute by minute basis, you dont have an equal disgust.
Are you digusted by Pqalin because she lies, or for some other reason? If its because she lies, thats not good enough since you reflexively condone OBama;s lies. So it cant be the fact that she lies.
There must be something else that digsuts you since you have already demonstrated you have no problem with politicians who lie as evidenced by your routine acceptance of Obama's lies.
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See this is where you become a laughing stock. You claim you are disguated wqith palin because you think she lies. YET, whe it is pointed out to you that Obama also lies in a minute by minute basis, you dont have an equal disgust.
Are you digusted by Pqalin because she lies, or for some other reason? If its because she lies, thats not good enough since you reflexively condone OBama;s lies. So it cant be the fact that she lies.
There must be something else that digsuts you since you have already demonstrated you have no problem with politicians who lie as evidenced by your routine acceptance of Obama's lies.
once again dipshit - I'm talking about Palin and trying to address your specific issue that you seem amazed that anyone could dislike her. Are you capbable of having a conversation without mentioning Obama? Look at the title of this thread
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me too
I don't respond to commands
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You called Sarah Palin a "Pathological Liar"
Please define to us what qualifies someone as a "Pathological Liar"
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Straw man,
Could you please tell us what your definition of a pathological liar is?
Thanks,
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Straw - the issue is consistency. You are not consistent in your disgust for Palin if its only that she lies since Obama lies as well yet you have no problem with that.
If the issue she is a repub who lies and you think thats worse, then say it.
If the issue she is a woman who lies and gets away with it, than say it.
If you think gop lies are bad, butr dems lies are good, say it.
I'm trying to find a real, valid reason you are disgusted with her that has merit in light of your admiration for others who do the very same thing you accuse her of.
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you called someone a "Pathological Liar"
Please define to us what qualifies someone as a Pathological Liar"
gladly - here's a definition of both a pathological and a compulsive liar:
Pathological Liar
A pathological liar is usually defined as someone who lies incessantly to get their way and does so with little concern for others. Pathological lying is often viewed as coping mechanism developed in early childhood and it is often associated with some other type of mental health disorder. A pathological liar is often goal-oriented (i.e., lying is focused - it is done to get one's way). Pathological liars have little regard or respect for the rights and feelings of others. A pathological liar often comes across as being manipulative, cunning and self-centered.
Compulsive Liar
A compulsive liar is defined as someone who lies out of habit. Lying is their normal and reflexive way of responding to questions. Compulsive liars bend the truth about everything, large and small. For a compulsive liar, telling the truth is very awkward and uncomfortable while lying feels right. Compulsive lying is usually thought to develop in early childhood, due to being placed in an environment where lying was necessary. For the most part, compulsive liars are not overly manipulative and cunning (see, Pathological Liar), rather they simply lie out of habit - an automatic response which is hard to break and one that takes its toll on a relationship (see, how to cope with a compulsive liar).
The terms Habitual Liar and Chronic Liar are often used to refer to a Compulsive Liar.
Sound Familiar? - YOU BETCHA!
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Straw - the issue is consistency. You are not consistent in your disgust for Palin if its only that she lies since Obama lies as well yet you have no problem with that.
If the issue she is a repub who lies and you think thats worse, then say it.
If the issue she is a woman who lies and gets away with it, than say it.
If you think gop lies are bad, butr dems lies are good, say it.
I'm trying to find a real, valid reason you are disgusted with her that has merit in light of your admiration for others who do the very same thing you accuse her of.
you're making an assumption that I agree with you about Obama
I'll try to make this as clear as possible: to many many people Palin comes across as a phony, dishonest, and often seems incapable of stringing together a coherent sentence.....something she has in common with many of her nitwit followers
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A Pathological Liar is someone who tells lies incessantly (Continually without interruption)
Yet when I ask for examples of Sarah plain being a Pathological Liar, you can only post 2 stories, and in your weak mind this qualifies as a pathological liar ?
With people like you voting, No wonder Obama got elected.
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you're making an assumption that I agree with you about Obama
I'll try to make this as clear as possible: to many many people Palin comes across as a phony, dishonest, and often seems incapable of stringing together a coherent sentence.....something she has in common with many of her nitwit followers
Guess what Straw, without a teleprompter many of us feel the exact same way about Obama.
You are entitled to your opinion, but not your facts. Obama has lied on a daily basis and James posted a youtube clip called 7 lies in two minutes. Look it up.
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33, Your never going to get a stright answer as to why liberals hate her so much, the hated her since the DAY it was announced that she was going to be McCains running mate. It started also, the moment she was seen on tv and during her acceptance speech when she basically told the mainstream media to f-off, she called them out, then the smear campaign started, about 98% of thre bullshit and lies that they made up, was debunked...made them hate her even more. Now, the ones that still hate her really have nothing to base their hatred with anymore so they go back to what heard while forgetting it was debunked or not believing it was debunked. Obama on the other hand, everything that was said and predicted about him was PROVEN to be true....since he's a media darling and the media being an extension of the liberal base, hated that, then it was time to go after the right even harder with lies. See what I'm getting at?
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Im serious. My personal belief is that their hatred began after the acceptance speech when she sliced and diced Obama like a fish.
Its funny though, if you go back to that speech, she was 100% accurate about almost everything she said about Obama. She was spot on about Obama beingh more concerned with terrorists rights than the troops and many other issues.
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A Pathological Liar is someone who tells lies incessantly (Continually without interruption.)
Yet when I ask for example of Sarah plain being a Pathological Liar, you can only post 2 stories, and in your weak mind this qualifies as pathological ?
No wonder Obama got elected.
really?
that's the best you can do?
what # of lies should I post to meet your standards?
I think the staff of her former running mate can help you out with plenty more lies if you really need them but something tells me no number will satisfy you.
One thing that is consistent with Palinites is that they are immune or indiffernt to facts and much prefer to live in imagination land
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Straw, lets agree that both lie.,
Fine, why are you ok with obama lies but not palin lies?
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Im serious. My personal belief is that their hatred began after the acceptance speech when she sliced and diced Obama like a fish.
Its funny though, if you go back to that speech, she was 100% accurate about almost everything she said about Obama. She was spot on about Obama beingh more concerned with terrorists rights than the troops and many other issues.
I've already told you I don't think there is any hatred on Palin
I do think you HATE obama and you project that hatred onto others and think they have the same feelings about Palin
Our feelings about Palin are: indifference, bewilderment ,amusement, embaressment, disgust, disdain, etc...
People from McCains campaign have pointed out scores of lies, half truths and even about the most trivial of matters. It's truly a bizarre phenomenon to see something like.
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you're making an assumption that I agree with you about Obama
So then you consider Obama a "Pathological Liar" as well ?
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I agree with you Straw. I hate this marxist communist POFS in the WH like no other politician in my lifetime.
I hate what he is doing with regard to the economy and the energy sector
I hate what he stands for in that he is a marxist
I hate the people he has surrounded himself with like atyeres wright, jarret, van jones, rahm emanuels etc
I hate his "vision" for this nation in this it is one of slavery to the govt.
I hate his hatred for our citizens and founding fathers and founding documents
IS THAT CLEAR ENOUGH FOR YOU?
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33, Your never going to get a stright answer as to why liberals hate her so much, the hated her since the DAY it was announced that she was going to be McCains running mate. It started also, the moment she was seen on tv and during her acceptance speech when she basically told the mainstream media to f-off, she called them out, then the smear campaign started, about 98% of thre bullshit and lies that they made up, was debunked...made them hate her even more. Now, the ones that still hate her really have nothing to base their hatred with anymore so they go back to what heard while forgetting it was debunked or not believing it was debunked. Obama on the other hand, everything that was said and predicted about him was PROVEN to be true....since he's a media darling and the media being an extension of the liberal base, hated that, then it was time to go after the right even harder with lies. See what I'm getting at?
how do you explain McCain staffers (many of whom were and still are loyal Bushies and conservatives) coming out and saying things like Palin simply made things up or even more succinctly the anonymous staffer who used the phrase "100% untrue".
Are they are evil libs who hate Palin too?
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I agree with you Straw. I hate this marxist communist POFS in the WH like no other politician in my lifetime.
I hate what he is doing with regard to the economy and the energy sector
I hate what he stands for in that he is a marxist
I hate the people he has surrounded himself with like atyeres wright, jarret, van jones, rahm emanuels etc
I hate his "vision" for this nation in this it is one of slavery to the govt.
I hate his hatred for our citizens and founding fathers and founding documents
IS THAT CLEAR ENOUGH FOR YOU?
your Bizzaro CT's have been crystal clear for a long time
has it sunk it yet why some people might not think Palin is ready for prime time or are you still baffled by that?
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how do you explain McCain staffers (many of whom were and still are loyal Bushies and conservatives) coming out and saying things like Palin simply made things up or even more succinctly the anonymous staffer who used the phrase "100% untrue".
Are they are evil libs who hate Palin too?
Those staffers are still in CYA mode for running the most inept campaign in years.
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your Bizzaro CT's have been crystal clear for a long time
has it sunk it yet why some people might not think Palin is ready for prime time or are you still baffled by that?
I can understand that. However, you still seem to be in a complete fog as to why more and more people are utterly disgusted at this admn and the absolute nightmare they are imposing on taxpaying citizens.
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I can understand that. However, you still seem to be in a complete fog as to why more and more people are utterly disgusted at this admn and the absolute nightmare they are imposing on taxpaying citizens.
Your life since the election seems to be one long waking nightmare that you feel compelled to share with us on a daily, if not almost 24/7 basis You see Marxist and Commies taking over your country and poor Sarah Palin is just misundertood and picked on by people who are just jealous of her awesomeness and the sad/crazy thing is that if we only just knew the "truth" like you and Glen Beck we could actually save ourselves from this inevitable disaster of our own choosing.
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Your life since the election seems to be one long waking nightmare that you feel compelled to share with us on a daily, if not almost 24/7 basis You see Marxist and Commies taking over your country and poor Sarah Palin is just misundertood and picked on by people who are just jealous of her awesomeness and the sad/crazy thing is that if we only just knew the "truth" like you and Glen Beck we could actually save ourselves from this inevitable disaster of our own choosing.
Never in my life have I have ssen an outright assault by one admn on every level on the economy, security, energy, ect like this one.
Whether its the basnkster bailouts and GS looting aided by Obama, the takeovers, the marxist czars, the coddling of terrorits, the bowing to everyone in sight, energy taxes, massive deficits and spending hikes, etc, Obama is getting an equal pushback for how far he is going.
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me too
I don't respond to commands
so when you're fucking and are told to cum, you dont?
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I agree with you Straw. I hate this marxist communist POFS in the WH like no other politician in my lifetime.
I hate what he is doing with regard to the economy and the energy sector
I hate what he stands for in that he is a marxist
I hate the people he has surrounded himself with like atyeres wright, jarret, van jones, rahm emanuels etc
I hate his "vision" for this nation in this it is one of slavery to the govt.
I hate his hatred for our citizens and founding fathers and founding documents
IS THAT CLEAR ENOUGH FOR YOU?
wow; you sure are full of hate. and for a lawyer.....hmmmmm.
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I am a citizen and a taxpayer first and foremost.
Yes, this disgusting POFS that you voted for is worst of my lifetime.
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On page 7 Straw Man made a copy too.....before YOU deleted it!
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On page 7 Straw Man made a copy too.....before YOU deleted it!
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I'm not harping on intelligence but come on
you not harping on intelligence,... BWHAHahahahaha....
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Stupidity.
End of thread.