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Title: Twice a day cardio
Post by: calfzilla on November 27, 2009, 02:41:19 PM
Is it a good idea? 
Title: Re: Twice a day cardio
Post by: gordiano on November 27, 2009, 03:02:58 PM
Only if by "cardio", you mean sex.
Title: Re: Twice a day cardio
Post by: bigbobs on November 27, 2009, 03:03:13 PM
During contest prep Nasser used to usually do cardio 2x a day (with weights once a day) about 5 days a week.  Sessions would usually be one hour in the morning and then 30-60 minutes in the evening after weights

In the offseason he recommends 3-4x a week of cardio for 30-45 minutes

Title: Re: Twice a day cardio
Post by: calfzilla on November 27, 2009, 03:06:25 PM
During contest prep Nasser used to usually do cardio 2x a day (with weights once a day) about 5 days a week.  Sessions would usually be one hour in the morning and then 30-60 minutes in the evening after weights

In the offseason he recommends 3-4x a week of cardio for 30-45 minutes


Cool!  How many Mr. Olympia titles did that win him? 
Title: Re: Twice a day cardio
Post by: affeman on November 27, 2009, 03:09:57 PM
Is it a good idea? 

No cardio is a better idea.
Title: Re: Twice a day cardio
Post by: Game Time on November 27, 2009, 03:11:16 PM
Cool!  How many Mr. Olympia titles did that win him? 

hahhaaha well he got famous! I mean, who else can sell their undies online
Title: Re: Twice a day cardio
Post by: Bobby on November 27, 2009, 03:13:02 PM
once per day and 45min per session...at most
Title: Re: Twice a day cardio
Post by: bigbobs on November 27, 2009, 03:23:07 PM
Cool!  How many Mr. Olympia titles did that win him? 

If you're only looking for an answer from a crowned Mr. Olympia winner then all replies on this thread are irrelevent.

You should be thankful that I provided an answer from a Three Times (at least) Uncrowned Mr. Olympia.
Title: Re: Twice a day cardio
Post by: Jonny34 on November 27, 2009, 03:24:30 PM
NASSER loves to do cardio with his number one bitch.
Title: Re: Twice a day cardio
Post by: calfzilla on November 27, 2009, 03:25:15 PM
If you're only looking for an answer from a crowned Mr. Olympia winner then all replies on this thread are irrelevent.

You should be thankful that I provided an answer from a Three Times (at least) Uncrowned Mr. Olympia.
How much is the prize money at the Uncrowned Mr. Olympia?
Title: Re: Twice a day cardio
Post by: webcake on November 27, 2009, 03:27:06 PM
lol, Nassers book is called "biohazard"?!

should have just called it oil spill or some shit.
Title: Re: Twice a day cardio
Post by: Jonny34 on November 27, 2009, 03:27:25 PM
How much is the prize money at the Uncrowned Mr. Olympia?

Whatever these go for is what NASSER pulls in these days. He is the UNCROWNED UNDERWEAR CHAMP!!
Title: Re: Twice a day cardio
Post by: bigbobs on November 27, 2009, 03:28:07 PM
How much is the prize money at the Uncrowned Mr. Olympia?

Prize money for 2nd or 3rd place is in the tens of thousands, however much more money is earned from appearances, endorsements, Weider contract, etc. and in Nasser's case on top of that he made several million in certain real estate transactions over the years, such that he is now retired and financially independent and viewing the Pacific Ocean from his backyard.
Title: Re: Twice a day cardio
Post by: Mr Nobody on November 27, 2009, 03:29:36 PM
Is it a good idea? 
Only if you want to get small
Title: Re: Twice a day cardio
Post by: calfzilla on November 27, 2009, 03:31:00 PM
Prize money for 2nd or 3rd place is in the tens of thousands, however much more money is earned from appearances, endorsements, Weider contract, etc. and in Nasser's case on top of that he made several million in certain real estate transactions over the years, such that he is now retired and financially independent and viewing the Pacific Ocean from his backyard.

Living the dream!  But one must ponder, if all you say is true, why would one need to sell soiled undies?  
Title: Re: Twice a day cardio
Post by: calfzilla on November 27, 2009, 03:31:43 PM
Only if you want to get small
But Jay has done it, and he ain't small. 
Title: Re: Twice a day cardio
Post by: Coach is Back! on November 27, 2009, 03:32:49 PM
Its a great idea......if your training to be a cyclist!
Title: Re: Twice a day cardio
Post by: Mr Nobody on November 27, 2009, 03:33:45 PM
But Jay has done it, and he ain't small. 
Genetics and Drugs...if you dont have those two you will lose muscle
Title: Re: Twice a day cardio
Post by: Jonny34 on November 27, 2009, 03:34:55 PM
The BIG problem with NASSER was he didn't place that high in shows that often. He had a few "decent" sized paychecks but that only lasts so long. Truth is, Nasser is facing financial difficulty, he was facing foreclosure and has been living in the same house while his investments lost value and eventually he was running out of money. Nasser is trying to keep his house but the $9.50 an hour garage job is not looking good.
Title: Re: Twice a day cardio
Post by: bigbobs on November 27, 2009, 03:35:02 PM
Living the dream!  But one must ponder, if all you say is true, why would one need to sell soiled undies?  

Because worn clothing is available for sale it does not nean he needs to sell it, I mean the actual income from the used clothing would not even cover his living expenses for one month.
Title: Re: Twice a day cardio
Post by: calfzilla on November 27, 2009, 03:39:11 PM
Because worn clothing is available for sale it does not nean he needs to sell it, I mean the actual income from the used clothing would not even cover his living expenses for one month.

 :o
Title: Re: Twice a day cardio
Post by: WillGrant on November 27, 2009, 03:48:38 PM
Genetics and Drugs...if you dont have those two you will lose muscle
Yup.
Title: Re: Twice a day cardio
Post by: wavelength on November 27, 2009, 03:59:52 PM
it's a good idea if you can stick better to a diet a little higher in calories while hamstering it up 2 times a day
Title: Re: Twice a day cardio
Post by: wavelength on November 27, 2009, 04:00:40 PM
Genetics and Drugs...if you dont have those two you will lose muscle

genetics to a degree, drugs you don't need for that.
Title: Re: Twice a day cardio
Post by: WillGrant on November 27, 2009, 05:06:54 PM
genetics to a degree, drugs you don't need for that.
Take away drugs do cardio x2 a day with intence weight training and say hello to catabolic city my friend.
If you have the genetics then you "may" get away with it , if you dont then you will look like a long distance runner.
This is I beleive what Mr Nobody meant and I agree with him.
Title: Re: Twice a day cardio
Post by: Marty Champions on November 27, 2009, 05:08:53 PM
twice a day cardio is probably enough volume to be big and shredded
Title: Re: Twice a day cardio
Post by: Marty Champions on November 27, 2009, 05:11:08 PM
Take away drugs do cardio x2 a day with intence weight training and say hello to catabolic city my friend.
If you have the genetics then you "may" get away with it , if you dont then you will look like a long distance runner.
This is I beleive what Mr Nobody meant and I agree with him.

will no offense but youre catabolic on your "anabolic" routine by the photo of you

there is no such thing as becoming catabolic from too much training,

catabolic isnt even really a properly defined termed, after an intense training sessions you are only catabolic in the sense that your fat protien and carb requirements are through the roof and as soon as you feed that you negate all things catabolic
Title: Re: Twice a day cardio
Post by: calfzilla on November 27, 2009, 05:16:12 PM
I think with a good diet, one can avoid catabolism.
Title: Re: Twice a day cardio
Post by: WillGrant on November 27, 2009, 05:20:08 PM
will no offense but youre catabolic on your "anabolic" routine by the photo of you

there is no such thing as becoming catabolic from too much training,

catabolic isnt even really a properly defined termed, after an intense training sessions you are only catabolic in the sense that your fat protien and carb requirements are through the roof and as soon as you feed that you negate all things catabolic
What photo of me ?

Sorry johny and this is not attacking you my friend but I truly beleive you were on gear at your best, now you are a shadow of your former self and you are one with good genetics.
Title: Re: Twice a day cardio
Post by: WillGrant on November 27, 2009, 05:21:40 PM
I think with a good diet, one can avoid catabolism.
With a proper diet you dont need cardio x2 a day.

Title: Re: Twice a day cardio
Post by: affeman on November 27, 2009, 05:23:53 PM
genetics to a degree, drugs you don't need for that.

Classic juicer-hypocrite comment.
Title: Re: Twice a day cardio
Post by: Mr Nobody on November 27, 2009, 05:25:13 PM
With a proper diet you dont need cardio x2 a day.


Agreed, however Falcon has good genetics so he can get by with more cardio activity, your average twink will stay a twink on cardio twice a day.
Title: Re: Twice a day cardio
Post by: Marty Champions on November 27, 2009, 05:26:57 PM
What photo of me ?

Sorry johny and this is not attacking you my friend but I truly beleive you were on gear at your best, now you are a shadow of your former self and you are one with good genetics.

ive admitted to staph infection smoking crack snorting heroin but ive never ever done steroids because im too vain to have a bloated face and to go bald an look like a walking heart attack

many small men try to criticize me but i understand. ive said this 50 times before that i was training twice a day leading up to getbig one for 3 weeks or so straight, if you dont beleive that can significanly but temporarily change your physique then it shows just how inexperienced you really are
Title: Re: Twice a day cardio
Post by: ManBearPig... on November 27, 2009, 05:28:57 PM
Because worn clothing is available for sale it does not nean he needs to sell it, I mean the actual income from the used clothing would not even cover his living expenses for one month.

so he just likes being a fucking homo?
Title: Re: Twice a day cardio
Post by: Marty Champions on November 27, 2009, 05:30:11 PM
With a proper diet you dont need cardio x2 a day.



cardio is weight bearing just like curling a weight all day for biceps thus it requires the muscles to be bigger because they will be assimilating more calories

i do beleive in different body types

some people can run 50 miles a week and still be small

if i ran 30 miles a week theyd be even more blowed up and jacked
Title: Re: Twice a day cardio
Post by: Marty Champions on November 27, 2009, 05:31:21 PM
some people are born to be twinks

they might only shit once a day if that

i naturally shit 3 or more a day
Title: Re: Twice a day cardio
Post by: WillGrant on November 27, 2009, 05:36:46 PM
ive admitted to staph infection smoking crack snorting heroin but ive never ever done steroids because im too vain to have a bloated face and to go bald an look like a walking heart attack

many small men try to criticize me but i understand. ive said this 50 times before that i was training twice a day leading up to getbig one for 3 weeks or so straight, if you dont beleive that can significanly but temporarily change your physique then it shows just how inexperienced you really are
Johnny you do have good genetics.some can get away with it.

You do understand that catabolic means to break down and anabolic is to build up?

A natural trainer with average genetics (most of the world) doing two cardio sessions a day with intense weight training will leave there body depleted and stringy looking , eg no recovery.you leave your body in a state that it cannot recover especialy on a diet that is used to cut..add drugs and this changes some.


Title: Re: Twice a day cardio
Post by: Luv2Hurt on November 27, 2009, 05:37:31 PM
With a proper diet you dont need cardio x2 a day.



This is probably true.  I have been my most shredded just doing 30mins a day cardio.  Pure indicator that diet is the largest factor in fat/weight loss.
Title: Re: Twice a day cardio
Post by: Marty Champions on November 27, 2009, 05:48:16 PM
Johnny you do have good genetics.some can get away with it.

You do understand that catabolic means to break down and anabolic is to build up?

A natural trainer with average genetics (most of the world) doing two cardio sessions a day with intense weight training will leave there body depleted and stringy looking , eg no recovery.you leave your body in a state that it cannot recover especialy on a diet that is used to cut..add drugs and this changes some.




you are in a broken down 'state' of being after training

what is the point you are trying to make

any brokend down 'state' after training is reversed through calories or atleast 80 percent better recovery if you gorge yourself with alot of good calories

another thing its impossible to be on a "diet" for a natural and do cardio twice a day unless the diet is absurdly calculated to the T where u lose slowly , because cals would still need to be high
Title: Re: Twice a day cardio
Post by: WillGrant on November 27, 2009, 05:54:11 PM
you are in a broken down 'state' of being after training

what is the point you are trying to make

any brokend down 'state' after training is reversed through calories or atleast 80 percent better recovery if you gorge yourself with alot of good calories

another thing its impossible to be on a "diet" for a natural and do cardio twice a day unless the diet is absurdly calculated to the T where u lose slowly , because cals would still need to be high
To much cardio is very catabolic johnny , especialy when dieting down unless of course you use drugs or have very good genetics.This is no brainer stuff. ???
Title: Re: Twice a day cardio
Post by: Marty Champions on November 27, 2009, 05:57:03 PM
To much cardio is very catabolic johnny , especialy when dieting down unless of course you use drugs or have very good genetics.This is no brainer stuff. ???

cardio is not catabolic , it just creates a need for more calories to repair just like weight lifting and doing leg extensions and leg curls, when i do cardio i do kinda a run aka work and walk aka rest just like when your on a gym machine

stop confusing the two as two different things, they are basically the same,
Title: Re: Twice a day cardio
Post by: io856 on November 27, 2009, 05:57:09 PM
when it comes to hardcore bodybuilding its best not to listen to those who speak of "too much"
Title: Re: Twice a day cardio
Post by: Marty Champions on November 27, 2009, 06:02:40 PM
when it comes to hardcore bodybuilding its best not to listen to those who speak of "too much"

yeah exactly

do these people expect muscles on naturals to just grow without work?

also natural muscle gained is just as temporary as steroid muscle, the muscle only stays xx-swoleness  if its stressed xx-amount
Title: Re: Twice a day cardio
Post by: Coach is Back! on November 27, 2009, 06:08:26 PM
Its a great idea......if your training to be a cyclist!

I was serious about this. 2 hours is a complete waste, 1 hour is about the same as 2 hours. Anymore than 30-40min of intervals is plenty.
Title: Re: Twice a day cardio
Post by: bigbobs on November 27, 2009, 06:12:01 PM
so he just likes being a fucking homo?

Oh brother, the fact that you even try to flame others is remarkable!  I saw that picture of you that Adonis posted several months back with a gut, 11" arms and saggy tits lol.  I have to give you props though, it takes balls to keep your account after that.
Title: Re: Twice a day cardio
Post by: io856 on November 27, 2009, 06:17:03 PM
on bodybuilding forums you hear about limitations

in the minds of greats you'll find an absence thereof
Title: Re: Twice a day cardio
Post by: Benny B on November 27, 2009, 06:34:48 PM
Is it a good idea? 
Yes.
Best way to go to keep your metabolism high and to burn fat quickly.
Title: Re: Twice a day cardio
Post by: Marty Champions on November 27, 2009, 06:40:10 PM
Yes.
Best way to go to keep your metabolism high and to burn fat quickly.

QFT

he would be keeping metabolism high by being more active (weights=cardio)

people are fucking retarted to think cardio is magically non weight bearing related
Title: Re: Twice a day cardio
Post by: WillGrant on November 27, 2009, 06:49:05 PM
cardio is not catabolic , it just creates a need for more calories to repair just like weight lifting and doing leg extensions and leg curls, when i do cardio i do kinda a run aka work and walk aka rest just like when your on a gym machine

stop confusing the two as two different things, they are basically the same,
calories? you need to be below maintenence when cutting ..Johnny stop with the silly game.
Title: Re: Twice a day cardio
Post by: WillGrant on November 27, 2009, 06:50:44 PM
when it comes to hardcore bodybuilding its best not to listen to those who speak of "too much"
So you are saying dont listen to you  :D
Title: Re: Twice a day cardio
Post by: WillGrant on November 27, 2009, 06:53:43 PM
Yes.
Best way to go to keep your metabolism high and to burn fat quickly.
Along with a shit load of muscle unless of course you are "on" which speeds your recovery or geneticly gifted.

Look at people with high metabolisms , you wana look like that.

Coaches info is spot on unless of course you are 40 % bf like wiggs  :D
Title: Re: Twice a day cardio
Post by: Marty Champions on November 27, 2009, 06:58:27 PM
calories? you need to be below maintenence when cutting ..Johnny stop with the silly game.

when you do cardio twice a day you will gain muscle and lose fat at the same time

however this takes superior time out of your day to accomplish
Title: Re: Twice a day cardio
Post by: Benny B on November 27, 2009, 07:02:13 PM
Along with a shit load of muscle unless of course you are "on" which speeds your recovery or geneticly gifted.

Look at people with high metabolisms , you wana look like that.

Coaches info is spot on unless of course you are 40 % bf like wiggs  :D
I write from experience, not hypotheticals.
That does not happen to me. Maybe your genetics just suck.
Title: Re: Twice a day cardio
Post by: WillGrant on November 27, 2009, 07:04:31 PM
I write from experience, not hypotheticals.
Thar does not happen to me. Maybe your genetics just suck.
You must be a monster then.

 ::)
Title: Re: Twice a day cardio
Post by: Benny B on November 27, 2009, 07:05:35 PM
You must be a monster then.

 ::)
Bigger than you know doubt.  ;)
Jealousy is a bitch!
Title: Re: Twice a day cardio
Post by: wavelength on November 27, 2009, 09:12:16 PM
Take away drugs do cardio x2 a day with intence weight training and say hello to catabolic city my friend.
If you have the genetics then you "may" get away with it , if you dont then you will look like a long distance runner.
This is I beleive what Mr Nobody meant and I agree with him.

I disagree, you just have to make up for the added cardio with eating more, in order to not have a too high rate of weight loss. You must eat enough protein and perform intense anaerobic training in any case for optimal results of course.
Title: Re: Twice a day cardio
Post by: wavelength on November 27, 2009, 09:14:47 PM
Classic juicer-hypocrite comment.

geh bitte, du glaubst doch ned wirklich dass ich stoffe ...
Title: Re: Twice a day cardio
Post by: Coach is Back! on November 27, 2009, 09:20:19 PM
I disagree, you just have to make up for the added cardio with eating more, in order to not have a too high rate of weight loss. You must eat enough protein and perform intense anaerobic training in any case for optimal results of course.

You don't need to do cardio 2x's per day unless it's no more than 20-30min sessions each.
Title: Re: Twice a day cardio
Post by: wavelength on November 27, 2009, 09:22:53 PM
You don't need to do cardio 2x's per day unless it's no more than 20-30min sessions each.

Yeah, my point is that it's pretty much irrelevant as long as your rate of weight loss is where you want it to be by adjusting total caloric intake to whatever amaount of cardio you do. You don't need any cardio for optimal results IMO.
Title: Re: Twice a day cardio
Post by: Mr Nobody on November 27, 2009, 09:28:47 PM
Why would want to do more training that is needed at the risk of overtraining? Just to eat more calories? Cardio doesnt build muscle.
Title: Re: Twice a day cardio
Post by: wavelength on November 27, 2009, 09:42:45 PM
Why would want to do more training that is needed at the risk of overtraining? Just to eat more calories? Cardio doesnt build muscle.

Some people can stick better to a diet higher in calories, it's a convenience thing.
Title: Re: Twice a day cardio
Post by: Sherief Shalaby on November 27, 2009, 09:48:15 PM
Is it a good idea? 

will be boring as hell and will make you hate cardio.. also may make you weaker!!..
Title: Re: Twice a day cardio
Post by: Mr Nobody on November 27, 2009, 09:50:15 PM
will be boring as hell and will make you hate cardio.. also may make you weaker!!..
Now I agree with Sheriff on this one, plus its too hot in that roof gym for 2 sessions of treadmill
Title: Re: Twice a day cardio
Post by: Sherief Shalaby on November 27, 2009, 10:02:41 PM
Oh brother, the fact that you even try to flame others is remarkable!  I saw that picture of you that Adonis posted several months back with a gut, 11" arms and saggy tits lol.  I have to give you props though, it takes balls to keep your account after that.

plz bobs if it's possible post that pic. here so we can all have some fun laughing at that asshole ;D
Title: Re: Twice a day cardio
Post by: Sherief Shalaby on November 27, 2009, 10:05:22 PM
Now I agree with Sheriff on this one, plus its too hot in that roof gym for 2 sessions of treadmill

no my treadmill is in my air conditioned living room :P

i keep the roof gym for free weights only.. you can ask my training partner, your grandpa :-X
Title: Re: Twice a day cardio
Post by: Mr Nobody on November 27, 2009, 10:06:33 PM
no my treadmill is in my air conditioned living room :P

i keep the roof gym for free weights only.. you can ask my training partner, your grandpa :-X
LMAO.. :D
Title: Re: Twice a day cardio
Post by: WillGrant on November 28, 2009, 05:02:33 AM
Bigger than you know doubt.  ;)
Jealousy is a bitch!
Then post a pic  and it's "no"  ;)

Why would I be jealous of words on the internet?  ???
Title: Re: Twice a day cardio
Post by: Mr Nobody on November 28, 2009, 05:20:19 AM
Bottom line if you dont have the genetics and drugs you will never be a Jay Cutler no matter how much cardio or weights you do. How many people has tried, if everyone could be Mr O how many would we have?
Title: Re: Twice a day cardio
Post by: spinnis on November 28, 2009, 05:26:41 AM
When I dieted I did 1 hour morning walk and 30 min on crosstrainer a while after gym =)
Title: Re: Twice a day cardio
Post by: claymore on November 28, 2009, 05:41:16 AM
With a proper diet you dont need cardio x2 a day.



100% Correct
Title: Re: Twice a day cardio
Post by: spinnis on November 28, 2009, 05:47:08 AM
100% Correct

imo, cardio Makes you feel good, sure you could diet without almost any cardio, but its more to it then that,

Morning walk before breakfast makes your entire day imo.
Title: Re: Twice a day cardio
Post by: affeman on November 28, 2009, 06:08:02 AM
Cardio is definately more beneficial than colorie restriciton. When cutting down your calories you're slowing down your metabolism more and more, and finally you get into the muscle wasting mode being too low on calories.

Keeping the calories high and getting into a deficit by doing cardio is definately the better way as you keep  your metabolic rate high.

But honestly, having a regular job, how should 2 cardio sessions a day be practicable...? ::)
Title: Re: Twice a day cardio
Post by: spinnis on November 28, 2009, 06:08:59 AM
But honestly, having a regular job, how should 2 cardio sessions a day be practicable...? ::)

60 min right away when you get home and 30 min right before you go to sleep?

or 30 min Before leaving for work and 60 min before sleep =)
Title: Re: Twice a day cardio
Post by: affeman on November 28, 2009, 06:10:05 AM
60 min right away when you get home and 30 min right before you go to sleep?

or 30 min Before leaving for work and 60 min before sleep =)

Dude, that question was for people having a job.

 ;)
Title: Re: Twice a day cardio
Post by: Mr Nobody on November 28, 2009, 06:17:19 AM
imo, cardio Makes you feel good, sure you could diet without almost any cardio, but its more to it then that,

Morning walk before breakfast makes your entire day imo.
Yes swede, the morning walk is good. Dorrian stated that walking before breakfast burns more fat, I think maybe because you have no sugars or carbs in the body.
Title: Re: Twice a day cardio
Post by: ManBearPig... on November 28, 2009, 06:56:32 AM
Oh brother, the fact that you even try to flame others is remarkable!  I saw that picture of you that Adonis posted several months back with a gut, 11" arms and saggy tits lol.  I have to give you props though, it takes balls to keep your account after that.

this is all true, but i'm also not cross eyed and don't beat my wife, which nasser can't claim.  the only thing sadder than nasser is those who worship him.  now , why don't you go put on your "team nasser" beanie and go jerk off to photos of him from 1995.
Title: Re: Twice a day cardio
Post by: bodybuilder1234 on November 28, 2009, 07:04:11 AM
Twice a day is unnncessary, not because of overtraining but because of calories.
Just stick to 30 minutes and eat less
Title: Re: Twice a day cardio
Post by: Marty Champions on November 28, 2009, 08:54:59 AM
Why would want to do more training that is needed at the risk of overtraining? Just to eat more calories? Cardio doesnt build muscle.

running does build muscle dude
Title: Re: Twice a day cardio
Post by: Sherief Shalaby on November 28, 2009, 08:56:39 AM
this is all true, but i'm also not cross eyed and don't beat my wife, which nasser can't claim.  the only thing sadder than nasser is those who worship him.  now , why don't you go put on your "team nasser" beanie and go jerk off to photos of him from 1995.

plz post that mentioned pic of you here again,.. i really need to laugh, plz..
Title: Re: Twice a day cardio
Post by: Fatpanda on November 28, 2009, 09:00:29 AM
when you do cardio twice a day you will gain muscle and lose fat at the same time

however this takes superior time out of your day to accomplish

step away from the crack pipe johnny.
Title: Re: Twice a day cardio
Post by: Fatpanda on November 28, 2009, 09:02:44 AM
plz bobs if it's possible post that pic. here so we can all have some fun laughing at that asshole ;D

x2

Cardio is definately more beneficial than colorie restriciton. When cutting down your calories you're slowing down your metabolism more and more, and finally you get into the muscle wasting mode being too low on calories.

Keeping the calories high and getting into a deficit by doing cardio is definately the better way as you keep  your metabolic rate high.

But honestly, having a regular job, how should 2 cardio sessions a day be practicable...? ::)

i agree completely.
Title: Re: Twice a day cardio
Post by: Marty Champions on November 28, 2009, 09:19:53 AM
why does running not build muscle while weightlifting magically does? you guys arent making sense
Title: Re: Twice a day cardio
Post by: MP on November 28, 2009, 09:22:56 AM
Look at a marathon runner's legs compared to a sprinter's legs. That will give you an answer as to what kind of muscle "running" builds.
Title: Re: Twice a day cardio
Post by: Marty Champions on November 28, 2009, 09:27:02 AM
Look at a marathon runner's legs compared to a sprinter's legs. That will give you an answer as to what kind of muscle "running" builds.

there could be a number of factors

1 marathon running may be the only physical activity that marathon runner does, thus he will be skinny
2 many marathon runners already start out at twink size to begin with and they stay constantly deprived in calories thus they stay small
3 many marathon runners arent running that hard


you take a dude thats already 200 pounds lets say skinny fat , you get him to run alot and eat alot he will gain good amounts of muscle or change his body composition for the better

Title: Re: Twice a day cardio
Post by: Fatpanda on November 28, 2009, 09:28:31 AM
why does running not build muscle while weightlifting magically does? you guys arent making sense

running may build muscle in calves, thighs, hams and glutes while on higher than maintenance calories - it may also help spare these muscles during reduced calories,  but it is extremely catabolic to your upper body on maintenance calories and especially on reduced calories.

its also a fact that long distance runners lose something like 20-40% of muscle mass during a marathon.
Title: Re: Twice a day cardio
Post by: Marty Champions on November 28, 2009, 09:42:30 AM
running may build muscle in calves, thighs, hams and glutes while on higher than maintenance calories - it may also help spare these muscles during reduced calories,  but it is extremely catabolic to your upper body on maintenance calories and especially on reduced calories.

its also a fact that long distance runners lose something like 20-40% of muscle mass after a marathon.

wrong on many accounts

many times runners gain muscle after long runs this has been documented many times i think Dean Navarak comes to mind , your just regurgitating myth and lazy boy excuses

your upper body will only be as catabolic as to how little you train it, the less you train the more catabolic

every anabolic state is followed by catabolic they are polar opposites , some stay constantly catabolic or 5 days catabolic and one day anabolic and undernourished and just simply give up on acitivty or just workout once every four days

some train 4 times a day they may be catabolic at 4 periods in the day but they will also be anabolic 4 or 5 times a day
Title: Re: Twice a day cardio
Post by: Fatpanda on November 28, 2009, 10:11:04 AM
wrong on many accounts

many times runners gain muscle after long runs this has been documented many times i think Dean Navarak comes to mind , your just regurgitating myth and lazy boy excuses

your upper body will only be as catabolic as to how little you train it, the less you train the more catabolic

every anabolic state is followed by catabolic they are polar opposites , some stay constantly catabolic or 5 days catabolic and one day anabolic and undernourished and just simply give up on acitivty or just workout once every four days

some train 4 times a day they may be catabolic at 4 periods in the day but they will also be anabolic 4 or 5 times a day

20-40% may be wrong as it was a long timeago that i read about it, but please explain how one would increase biceps or triceps from running ?
Title: Re: Twice a day cardio
Post by: tbombz on November 28, 2009, 10:16:29 AM
any type of exercise where you can do more than 20-30 reps before failing, is not going to spur any muscle growth (as in an increase in size), and if the energy requirements for that exercise exceed the available energy in the body and there isnt sufficient protien to convert into energy,m then that exercise will cause muscle loss.
Title: Re: Twice a day cardio
Post by: tbombz on November 28, 2009, 10:19:23 AM
Johnny you do have good genetics.some can get away with it.

You do understand that catabolic means to break down and anabolic is to build up?

A natural trainer with average genetics (most of the world) doing two cardio sessions a day with intense weight training will leave there body depleted and stringy looking , eg no recovery.you leave your body in a state that it cannot recover especialy on a diet that is used to cut..add drugs and this changes some.



not necessarily, dfepends on diet. with high carb intake they could remain full.
Title: Re: Twice a day cardio
Post by: bigbobs on November 28, 2009, 10:20:13 AM
this is all true, but i'm also not cross eyed and don't beat my wife, which nasser can't claim.  the only thing sadder than nasser is those who worship him.  now , why don't you go put on your "team nasser" beanie and go jerk off to photos of him from 1995.

Whatever you think of his eyes hasn't stopped him from getting many women over the years, and he has never been convicted of spousal abuse, are you suggesting that anyone who gets accused by an emotional woman of some wrongdoing must be guilty  ::)

I almost feel putting you down about your physique because it is soo easy, but you keep asking for it by flaming others on here who are clearly better than you.  95% of getbiggers look better than you, and instead of working on your frustrations by improving your physique you try to attack others instead.  Hey, if that makes you feel better about your pathetic self then maybe I should be nice to you and not interfere ;)

plz post that mentioned pic of you here again,.. i really need to laugh, plz..

Oh man, it was so pathetic looking that I refused to save it on my hard drive, I honestly felt sorry for him when I saw it. 

Isn't it ironic that the biggest shit-talkers are usually the ones with the worst physiques?  I don't believe this is just accidental, has to surface from their insecurity issues.
Title: Re: Twice a day cardio
Post by: Fatpanda on November 28, 2009, 10:23:01 AM
From :

Concurrent resistance and endurance training influence basal metabolic rate in nondieting individuals
Brett A. Dolezal and Jeffrey A. Potteiger


please click any enjoy the owning that shows muscle loss on the endurance program after 10 weeks compared to the resistance program http://jap.physiology.org/cgi/content-nw/full/85/2/695/T2 (http://jap.physiology.org/cgi/content-nw/full/85/2/695/T2)


thanks for playing johnny.  :-*

full text here : http://jap.physiology.org/cgi/reprint/85/2/695 (http://jap.physiology.org/cgi/reprint/85/2/695)

there are more, but its a pain looking for them.

though a mix of the 2 seems best for fat loss and muscle gain  8)
Title: Re: Twice a day cardio
Post by: Tapeworm on November 28, 2009, 10:24:47 AM
why does running not build muscle while weightlifting magically does? you guys arent making sense

Aerobically fueled type 1 fibres are much less prone to hypertrophy than glycogen powered type 2s.
Title: Re: Twice a day cardio
Post by: Mr Nobody on November 28, 2009, 10:38:41 AM
running does build muscle dude
Agreed Johnny but only to a certain extent resistance has to be added sometime...
Title: Re: Twice a day cardio
Post by: calfzilla on November 28, 2009, 01:31:38 PM
Falcon making lots of sense in this thread. 
Title: Re: Twice a day cardio
Post by: Marty Champions on November 28, 2009, 02:23:07 PM
20-40% may be wrong as it was a long timeago that i read about it, but please explain how one would increase biceps or triceps from running ?

where did i say your biceps and triceps grow from running?

however your arms will be in a more 'untrained' state after running wich is slightly catabolic untill you do arms after running then they may become catabolic/anabolic until you feed

however legs will be ready to soak up nutients, catabolic but soon to be anabolic as soon as you feed
Title: Re: Twice a day cardio
Post by: CalvinH on November 28, 2009, 02:26:50 PM
Does jerking off twice a day count as cardio ???
Title: Re: Twice a day cardio
Post by: Marty Champions on November 28, 2009, 02:30:18 PM
Agreed Johnny but only to a certain extent resistance has to be added sometime...

think about it the resistance is comparable to a leg extension or squat, especially if your strides are powerful and brisk and that pounding on each leg is alot of weight bearing down on the leg also the shock effect

most people run and stop run and stop, in otherwords your legs fail just like they do in an excersice set then you walk then begin again and a brisk pace till you tax your legs then just repeat

only the tiny twinks and soccor moms jog at a redicouslouly slow pace and short stride wich may only pump up calves at the most but wont do shit for legs
Title: Re: Twice a day cardio
Post by: Fatpanda on November 28, 2009, 02:37:46 PM
where did i say your biceps and triceps grow from running?

however your arms will be in a more 'untrained' state after running wich is slightly catabolic untill you do arms after running then they may become catabolic/anabolic until you feed

however legs will be ready to soak up nutients, catabolic but soon to be anabolic as soon as you feed

you said

Quote
when you do cardio twice a day you will gain muscle and lose fat at the same time
a very blanket statement.

you didn't mention arms - so most people would assume you mean whole body muscle rather than just legs - as i pointed out earlier.

do you agree that running wil only improve legs muscle wise, and could very well reduce thesize of arms etc?
Title: Re: Twice a day cardio
Post by: hipolito mejia on November 28, 2009, 02:40:42 PM
During contest prep Nasser used to usually do cardio 2x a day (with weights once a day) about 5 days a week.  Sessions would usually be one hour in the morning and then 30-60 minutes in the evening after weights

In the offseason he recommends 3-4x a week of cardio for 30-45 minutes



But he wont say a thing about the TONS of drugs he uses.....USELESS INFO !   FUCK NASSER !!!
Title: Re: Twice a day cardio
Post by: Mr Nobody on November 28, 2009, 02:43:44 PM
think about it the resistance is comparable to a leg extension or squat, especially if your strides are powerful and brisk and that pounding on each leg is alot of weight bearing down on the leg also the shock effect

most people run and stop run and stop, in otherwords your legs fail just like they do in an excersice set then you walk then begin again and a brisk pace till you tax your legs then just repeat

only the tiny twinks and soccor moms jog at a redicouslouly slow pace and short stride wich may only pump up calves at the most but wont do shit for legs
Agreed, but you are talking of sprints it seems. Check out sprinters versus marathon runners. For you Falcon with good leg genetics sprinting may work for a average guy without the genetis it may increase his thighs for awhile but he will need resistance to go further with size. Myself included I can take up a sprint regimen and it will take me only to a certain point I dont have great leg genetics. So in summary most need more than sprints to develop the legs to potential.
Title: Re: Twice a day cardio
Post by: Marty Champions on November 28, 2009, 03:53:47 PM
you said
a very blanket statement.

you didn't mention arms - so most people would assume you mean whole body muscle rather than just legs - as i pointed out earlier.

do you agree that running wil only improve legs muscle wise, and could very well reduce thesize of arms etc?


running can improve overall bodyfat compostion and boost lower body muscles, you could stave off any reduction in upper body with working out the upper body aswell

you cant go wrong doing everythign every day, you will require more calories and somedays you wont be fully recoverd but thats fine train anyways
Title: Re: Twice a day cardio
Post by: Marty Champions on November 28, 2009, 03:57:10 PM
Agreed, but you are talking of sprints it seems. Check out sprinters versus marathon runners. For you Falcon with good leg genetics sprinting may work for a average guy without the genetis it may increase his thighs for awhile but he will need resistance to go further with size. Myself included I can take up a sprint regimen and it will take me only to a certain point I dont have great leg genetics. So in summary most need more than sprints to develop the legs to potential.

sprints is completely ALL OUT running, and you will be spent afte a few and REQUIRE calories after only a few sprints to keep going

the key is getting in the calories without getting that full feeling, thats why i reccomend denser foods for this purpose

running is still a sprint at about half the strength but double the length would make it equivelant to a sprint, with running or sprinting you hit that phsycial barrier after 30 seconds on a sprint and 1-2 min on a run

i think most have the incorrect idea about cardio as in they picture weak people doing slow ass jogging with 12 inch strides  ::) now that wont do sheit
Title: Re: Twice a day cardio
Post by: Sherief Shalaby on November 28, 2009, 04:00:27 PM
Whatever you think of his eyes hasn't stopped him from getting many women over the years, and he has never been convicted of spousal abuse, are you suggesting that anyone who gets accused by an emotional woman of some wrongdoing must be guilty  ::)

I almost feel putting you down about your physique because it is soo easy, but you keep asking for it by flaming others on here who are clearly better than you.  95% of getbiggers look better than you, and instead of working on your frustrations by improving your physique you try to attack others instead.  Hey, if that makes you feel better about your pathetic self then maybe I should be nice to you and not interfere ;)

Oh man, it was so pathetic looking that I refused to save it on my hard drive, I honestly felt sorry for him when I saw it. 

Isn't it ironic that the biggest shit-talkers are usually the ones with the worst physiques?  I don't believe this is just accidental, has to surface from their insecurity issues.

very true my friend.. mr. bones comes to my mind here ;D
Title: Re: Twice a day cardio
Post by: slaveboy1980 on November 28, 2009, 07:51:51 PM
avoid overdoing cardio.
Title: Re: Twice a day cardio
Post by: bigbobs on November 28, 2009, 10:00:59 PM
But he wont say a thing about the TONS of drugs he uses.....USELESS INFO !   FUCK NASSER !!!

Actually Nasser is pretty honest about drug use, has discussed it in interviews and discussed it in lots of detail in his upcoming book.

LOL right after I made the point about the guys in worst shape talking the most shit, first ManBearPig then this guy.
Title: Re: Twice a day cardio
Post by: Fatpanda on November 29, 2009, 04:59:10 AM
Actually Nasser is pretty honest about drug use, has discussed it in interviews and discussed it in lots of detail in his upcoming book.

LOL right after I made the point about the guys in worst shape talking the most shit, first ManBearPig then this guy.

bobs seriously how long do we have towait for the book? This wait is driving me insane  ??? ???
Title: Re: Twice a day cardio
Post by: Marty Champions on November 29, 2009, 05:47:29 AM
avoid overdoing cardio. posting on getbig

fixed
Title: Re: Twice a day cardio
Post by: SweetGeez on November 29, 2009, 07:42:27 AM
If you're only looking for an answer from a crowned Mr. Olympia winner then all replies on this thread are irrelevent.

You should be thankful that I provided an answer from a Three Times (at least) Uncrowned Mr. Olympia.
If Nasser himself answered,there is still nothing to be thankful for...  Your answer is even more irrelevant.. Nasser was on a shitload of drugs...So cardio and dieting were not the only things he did to get in shape...