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Getbig Main Boards => Politics and Political Issues Board => Topic started by: 240 is Back on November 29, 2009, 06:21:15 PM
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Yeah, IF IF IF this is the same guy that Huck pardoned... not going to help his 2012 chance..
Maurice Clemmons, the 37-year-old Tacoma man being sought for questioning in the killing of four Lakewood police officers this morning, has a long criminal record punctuated by violence, erratic behavior and concerns about his mental health.
Nine years ago, then-Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee granted clemency to Clemmons, commuting his lengthy prison sentence over the protestations of prosecutors.
"This is the day I've been dreading for a long time," Larry Jegley, prosecuting attorney for Arkansas' Pulaski County said Sunday night when informed that Clemmons was being sought in connection to the killings.
Clemmons' criminal history includes at least five felony convictions in Arkansas and at least eight felony charges in Washington. The record also stands out for the number of times he has been released from custody despite questions about the danger he posed.
Clemmons had been in jail in Pierce County for the past several months on a pending charge of second-degree rape of a child.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2010385617_webmansought29.html
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I like Huck, so I hope it ain't the same guy for his sake. If it is, he deserves whatever flack he gets.
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I really like Huck aside from his religious views. He seems like a great guy and has some good financial ideas, so yeah this doesn't look good for him. Sounds like he should have executed this fuc##r.
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yeah, when the issue of crime comes up, it'll only take one smart-ass GOP contender to say "Pardon me, Governor Huckabee..." and everyone will be reminded that he let a cop-killing, baby-rapist free.
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holy shit. THIS IS THE SAME GUY HE PARDONED?
talk about bad luck
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holy shit. THIS IS THE SAME GUY HE PARDONED?
talk about bad luck
I never really liked huck all that much. He comes across as a huckster. This completely ends 2012 for him IMHO.
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holy shit. THIS IS THE SAME GUY HE PARDONED?
talk about bad luck
paging Willie Horton.....
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paging Willie Horton.....
He would get it from all sides.
Can you imagine Obama using "crime" as an issue against Huck? Thats game over right there if the GOP candidate gets branded weak on crime, etc.
All the debate moderator would have to say: "Huckleberry, what does it say about your judgement if you pardoned someone who later would go on to kill 4 police officers?"
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Funny,no mention that this shooter is 95% most likely an Obama supporter as 95% of blacks support him.If it was a white guy,you woyuld have had 240 and the rest of the loons screaming "IT WAS FOX NEWS FAULT,GLENN BECKS FAULT,RUSH LIMBAUGHS FAULT".Funny,no one blames libs for ginning up the racial and political hatred this guy obviously has.Think he will be charged with a hate crime?
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Funny,no mention that this shooter is 95% most likely an Obama supporter as 95% of blacks support him.If it was a white guy,you woyuld have had 240 and the rest of the loons screaming "IT WAS FOX NEWS FAULT,GLENN BECKS FAULT,RUSH LIMBAUGHS FAULT".Funny,no one blames libs for ginning up the racial and political hatred this guy obviously has.Think he will be charged with a hate crime?
I brought that angle up yesterday and 240 acted dumb and ignorant. I reminded him of his garbage on the census worker who was killed.
They are just praying for one of these to be a McVeigh type.
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suck my d if you think you know what i'm praying for.
pathetic attempt to make this shit more than it is.
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suck my d if you think you know what i'm praying for.
pathetic attempt to make this shit more than it is.
Just be honest. When the census thing happened - you were already spinning that it was probably racist whites.
I didnt mean you were praying for killings, just that you buy into the media hype more than anyone else that these things must all fall into the "crazy white teabagger, beck, rush, crazy" dynamic.
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We don't know all of the circumstances yet.
Very premature to claim that Huckabee shouldn't be a candidate.
Besides, I think it's beyond stupid to demand that candidates for presidency never committed any mistakes.
Look at Obama, he showed bad judgement when sitting in a church with a reverend who does seem to have fairly extreme views.
Look at Bush, he became an alcoholic.
Look at JFK, extra-marital was his real middle name.
Look at Arnold, who some would like to change the constitution so he could run, he was the toy boy of a gay sugar daddy in the early 70's.
My point is, this doesn't make Huckabee unelectable.
It's how he handles the situation that makes or breaks him though.
Don't we all have skeletons in our closets?
Why demand that our politicians should be saint like?
I only think they should be honest about what they are.
As long as they don't lie. And if they got good intentions.
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We don't know all of the circumstances yet.
Very premature to claim that Huckabee shouldn't be a candidate.
Besides, I think it's beyond stupid to demand that candidates for presidency never committed any mistakes.
Look at Obama, he showed bad judgement when sitting in a church with a reverend who does seem to have fairly extreme views.
Look at Bush, he became an alcoholic.
Look at JFK, extra-marital was his real middle name.
Look at Arnold, who some would like to change the constitution so he could run, he was the toy boy of a gay sugar daddy in the early 70's.
My point is, this doesn't make Huckabee unelectable.
It's how he handles the situation that makes or breaks him though.
Don't we all have skeletons in our closets?
Why demand that our politicians should be saint like?
I only think they should be honest about what they are.
As long as they don't lie. And if they got good intentions.
Hedge - he is DOA. Sitting in Rev. Wright's Church, whiel disgusting, did not DIRECTLY lead to the deaths of 4 cops.
Also, I dont even like Huckleberry. He is one of these pastor religious types. No thanks.
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i like huck a lot, and think he would have been a common-sense voice (ala palin) without all the anger and religious retribution.
I don't think he'll bounce back from this one, though.
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Hedge - he is DOA. Sitting in Rev. Wright's Church, whiel disgusting, did not DIRECTLY lead to the deaths of 4 cops.
Also, I dont even like Huckleberry. He is one of these pastor religious types. No thanks.
I don't like the pastor religious type either.
But I think that should disqualify him.
Not this.
JMHO.
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i like huck a lot, and think he would have been a common-sense voice (ala palin) without all the anger and religious retribution.
I don't think he'll bounce back from this one, though.
What is it you like about his politics, specifically?
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What is it you like about his politics, specifically?
i like the sales tax issue, but thats it. He reminds me of a slick religious type pushing the donation basket in my face.
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The guy is a clown.I dont like him.Everytime he speaks its like its memorised talking points.Nothing seems genuine.A snake oil salesman.Plus another amnesty nut.
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i love his pro-education stance a lot. i saw huck on imus... must have been late 06, early 07, before he had even announced his run for the nomination. I also like his honesty about the bible... he admits it's not literal.
very level-headed guy who actually acted presidential while Mitt and Rudy were screaming "no, YOU"RE the bigger lib, Lib!" at one another.
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i love his pro-education stance a lot. i saw huck on imus... must have been late 06, early 07, before he had even announced his run for the nomination. I also like his honesty about the bible... he admits it's not literal.
very level-headed guy who actually acted presidential while Mitt and Rudy were screaming "no, YOU"RE the bigger lib, Lib!" at one another.
Huckleberry seems like a crowd pleaser to me but thats it. The guy with the cute little line, etc.
However, he reminds me of a lying preacher with the donation basket.
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I like huck too so for his sake I really hope it wasnt this guy, he is a religious man but he basis his political agenda off of logical reasoning from what ive seen. He doesnt shove his religion in others faces the way some ppl do but I dont think he would let other walk all over religion either which is good imo.
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Huckleberry seems like a crowd pleaser to me but thats it. The guy with the cute little line, etc.
However, he reminds me of a lying preacher with the donation basket.
oh, oh. twice in one day I am forced to agree with you. Butt, then, even a stopped clock is right every 24 hours.... ;)
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Huckabee is a real common sense guy and wise IMO. I like his demeanor, nevers whines and bitches and never offends people. Yeah, he was a pastor but that was a long time ago. I watch his show here and there and he never goes overboard with religious stuff (that would turn me off too). Right now, I'd support Huckabee, Romney or Pawlenty.
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Found this on bloomberg.com:
Huckabee, as governor of Arkansas in 2000, commuted a 95- year prison sentence for Maurice Clemmons. Huckabee cited Clemmons’ youth -- he was 17 when he was convicted in 1989 of aggravated robbery -- in commuting the sentence, the Associated Press reported. Clemmons was then paroled by the state board.
“If you pardon someone and they do something, it’s bad news,” said Matt Mackowiak, a Republican strategist. “It can come back to haunt you.”
Huckabee, in a statement on his Web site, said that if Clemmons is found to be responsible for the shootings in Seattle, “it will be the result of a series of failures in the criminal justice system.”
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I can understand wanting to pardon someone who committed armed robbery at age 17. Most of us want people to have a second chance, especially minors, and people who may have had it rough growing up. Unfortunately, this just shows us that some people shouldn't have that second chance (but how do you decide who does and who doesn't). Also again highlights that we have major cultural problems leading to cyclical dysfunctional behavior and crime widespread in lower income Americans and too high a % of criminal activity particularly by low income black males.
This doesn't change my opinion of Huckabee at all.
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I doubt Huck even knew anything about this guy. If it works like it does in my state, the governor has a board that reviews these issues and then forwards them to the governor who just signs off. Not that I'm excusing the process. It obviously failed here even if this guy didn't do it as he's still a violent repeat offender.
That said, I don't care too much for Huck as a presidential candidate.
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Exactly, the parole board gave him the recommendation at that time. Apparently this guy committed the worst crimes after the pardon.
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I really like Huckabee and would have probably voted for him.........until this.
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we knew the guy was pardoned in 08. It was an issue them - albeit a small one.
The parole board recommended it. the guy just ended up being a bigger shitbag than they expected.
This is one of those "you gotta be kidding me..." moments for Huck. Sucks, but what can you do. If the guy had been pardoned and ended up pulling a baby from a burning building or winning the Nobel prize, Huck woudl be lauded for it.
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Bill O'Loofah had Mike on his show tonight to talk about this. Mike expressed regret about it, and I can also understand his wanting to give the guy a second chance, but even so, it was obvious that Bill's main purpose of the interview was to wipe Huck's hiney. He deflected any potential blame by talking about some other judges who supposedly let some sex offenders off easily. Whatever happens, I hope and pray that Mike will still have some sort of productive future from here on out.
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Bill O'Loofah had Mike on his show tonight to talk about this. Mike expressed regret about it, and I can also understand his wanting to give the guy a second chance, but even so, it was obvious that Bill's main purpose of the interview was to wipe Huck's hiney. He deflected any potential blame by talking about some other judges who supposedly let some sex offenders off easily. Whatever happens, I hope and pray that Mike will still have some sort of productive future from here on out.
This is going to haunt him forever.
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I sure have a hard time seeing ANY law enforcement bodies endorsing huck in 2012.
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I sure have a hard time seeing ANY law enforcement bodies endorsing huck in 2012.
Huck is done.
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he just got Dukakis-ed....
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If you guys think this kills Huck, none of you have learned a fucking thing about politics. I'm disapointed.
I never really like Huck to begin with. There is something creepy about him. But thats just me.
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Bro - put down the camcorder. Filming yourself is not helping you.
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YOU AND HUCK HAVE MORE OF THE SAME BELIEVE THEN ME AND HUCK :D
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YOU AND HUCK HAVE MORE OF THE SAME BELIEVE THEN ME AND HUCK :D
Ha ha. I am a Bronxite who has not been to church in 15 years.
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thank you. made my day. LB is great.