Author Topic: Huck 2012 chances may have gone down with the Seattle shooting (Read 2551 times)

240 is Back · « **on:** November 29, 2009, 06:21:15 PM »

Yeah, IF IF IF this is the same guy that Huck pardoned... not going to help his 2012 chance..

Maurice Clemmons, the 37-year-old Tacoma man being sought for questioning in the killing of four Lakewood police officers this morning, has a long criminal record punctuated by violence, erratic behavior and concerns about his mental health.

Nine years ago, then-Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee granted clemency to Clemmons, commuting his lengthy prison sentence over the protestations of prosecutors.

"This is the day I've been dreading for a long time," Larry Jegley, prosecuting attorney for Arkansas' Pulaski County said Sunday night when informed that Clemmons was being sought in connection to the killings.

Clemmons' criminal history includes at least five felony convictions in Arkansas and at least eight felony charges in Washington. The record also stands out for the number of times he has been released from custody despite questions about the danger he posed.

Clemmons had been in jail in Pierce County for the past several months on a pending charge of second-degree rape of a child.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2010385617_webmansought29.html

Purge_WTF · « **Reply #1 on:** November 30, 2009, 12:03:12 AM »

I like Huck, so I hope it ain't the same guy for his sake. If it is, he deserves whatever flack he gets.

calfzilla · « **Reply #2 on:** November 30, 2009, 01:21:40 AM »

I really like Huck aside from his religious views. He seems like a great guy and has some good financial ideas, so yeah this doesn't look good for him. Sounds like he should have executed this fuc##r.

240 is Back · « **Reply #3 on:** November 30, 2009, 04:14:32 AM »

yeah, when the issue of crime comes up, it'll only take one smart-ass GOP contender to say "Pardon me, Governor Huckabee..." and everyone will be reminded that he let a cop-killing, baby-rapist free.

2ND COMING · « **Reply #4 on:** November 30, 2009, 04:17:44 AM »

holy shit. THIS IS THE SAME GUY HE PARDONED?

talk about bad luck

Soul Crusher · « **Reply #5 on:** November 30, 2009, 04:58:16 AM »

Quote from: 2ND COMING on November 30, 2009, 04:17:44 AM

holy shit. THIS IS THE SAME GUY HE PARDONED?

talk about bad luck

I never really liked huck all that much. He comes across as a huckster. This completely ends 2012 for him IMHO.

chadstallion · « **Reply #6 on:** November 30, 2009, 05:47:12 AM »

Quote from: 2ND COMING on November 30, 2009, 04:17:44 AM

holy shit. THIS IS THE SAME GUY HE PARDONED?

talk about bad luck

paging Willie Horton.....

Soul Crusher · « **Reply #7 on:** November 30, 2009, 05:52:04 AM »

Quote from: chadstallion on November 30, 2009, 05:47:12 AM

paging Willie Horton.....

He would get it from all sides.

Can you imagine Obama using "crime" as an issue against Huck? Thats game over right there if the GOP candidate gets branded weak on crime, etc.

All the debate moderator would have to say: "Huckleberry, what does it say about your judgement if you pardoned someone who later would go on to kill 4 police officers?"

BM OUT · « **Reply #8 on:** November 30, 2009, 06:22:16 AM »

Funny,no mention that this shooter is 95% most likely an Obama supporter as 95% of blacks support him.If it was a white guy,you woyuld have had 240 and the rest of the loons screaming "IT WAS FOX NEWS FAULT,GLENN BECKS FAULT,RUSH LIMBAUGHS FAULT".Funny,no one blames libs for ginning up the racial and political hatred this guy obviously has.Think he will be charged with a hate crime?

Soul Crusher · « **Reply #9 on:** November 30, 2009, 06:25:12 AM »

Quote from: BILLY MIMNAUGH on November 30, 2009, 06:22:16 AM

Funny,no mention that this shooter is 95% most likely an Obama supporter as 95% of blacks support him.If it was a white guy,you woyuld have had 240 and the rest of the loons screaming "IT WAS FOX NEWS FAULT,GLENN BECKS FAULT,RUSH LIMBAUGHS FAULT".Funny,no one blames libs for ginning up the racial and political hatred this guy obviously has.Think he will be charged with a hate crime?

I brought that angle up yesterday and 240 acted dumb and ignorant. I reminded him of his garbage on the census worker who was killed.

They are just praying for one of these to be a McVeigh type.

240 is Back · « **Reply #10 on:** November 30, 2009, 06:30:10 AM »

suck my d if you think you know what i'm praying for.

pathetic attempt to make this shit more than it is.

Soul Crusher · « **Reply #11 on:** November 30, 2009, 06:40:48 AM »

Quote from: 240 is Back on November 30, 2009, 06:30:10 AM

suck my d if you think you know what i'm praying for.

pathetic attempt to make this shit more than it is.

Just be honest. When the census thing happened - you were already spinning that it was probably racist whites.

I didnt mean you were praying for killings, just that you buy into the media hype more than anyone else that these things must all fall into the "crazy white teabagger, beck, rush, crazy" dynamic.

Hedgehog · « **Reply #12 on:** November 30, 2009, 06:50:01 AM »

We don't know all of the circumstances yet.

Very premature to claim that Huckabee shouldn't be a candidate.

Besides, I think it's beyond stupid to demand that candidates for presidency never committed any mistakes.

Look at Obama, he showed bad judgement when sitting in a church with a reverend who does seem to have fairly extreme views.

Look at Bush, he became an alcoholic.

Look at JFK, extra-marital was his real middle name.

Look at Arnold, who some would like to change the constitution so he could run, he was the toy boy of a gay sugar daddy in the early 70's.

My point is, this doesn't make Huckabee unelectable.

It's how he handles the situation that makes or breaks him though.

Don't we all have skeletons in our closets?

Why demand that our politicians should be saint like?

I only think they should be honest about what they are.

As long as they don't lie. And if they got good intentions.

Soul Crusher · « **Reply #13 on:** November 30, 2009, 06:52:38 AM »

Quote from: Hedgehog on November 30, 2009, 06:50:01 AM

We don't know all of the circumstances yet.

Very premature to claim that Huckabee shouldn't be a candidate.

Besides, I think it's beyond stupid to demand that candidates for presidency never committed any mistakes.

Look at Obama, he showed bad judgement when sitting in a church with a reverend who does seem to have fairly extreme views.

Look at Bush, he became an alcoholic.

Look at JFK, extra-marital was his real middle name.

Look at Arnold, who some would like to change the constitution so he could run, he was the toy boy of a gay sugar daddy in the early 70's.

My point is, this doesn't make Huckabee unelectable.

It's how he handles the situation that makes or breaks him though.

Don't we all have skeletons in our closets?

Why demand that our politicians should be saint like?

I only think they should be honest about what they are.

As long as they don't lie. And if they got good intentions.

Hedge - he is DOA. Sitting in Rev. Wright's Church, whiel disgusting, did not DIRECTLY lead to the deaths of 4 cops.

Also, I dont even like Huckleberry. He is one of these pastor religious types. No thanks.

240 is Back · « **Reply #14 on:** November 30, 2009, 06:57:29 AM »

i like huck a lot, and think he would have been a common-sense voice (ala palin) without all the anger and religious retribution.

I don't think he'll bounce back from this one, though.

Hedgehog · « **Reply #15 on:** November 30, 2009, 06:58:34 AM »

Quote from: 333386 on November 30, 2009, 06:52:38 AM

Hedge - he is DOA. Sitting in Rev. Wright's Church, whiel disgusting, did not DIRECTLY lead to the deaths of 4 cops.

Also, I dont even like Huckleberry. He is one of these pastor religious types. No thanks.

I don't like the pastor religious type either.

But I think that should disqualify him.

Not this.

JMHO.

Hedgehog · « **Reply #16 on:** November 30, 2009, 06:59:41 AM »

Quote from: 240 is Back on November 30, 2009, 06:57:29 AM

i like huck a lot, and think he would have been a common-sense voice (ala palin) without all the anger and religious retribution.

I don't think he'll bounce back from this one, though.

What is it you like about his politics, specifically?

Soul Crusher · « **Reply #17 on:** November 30, 2009, 07:02:42 AM »

Quote from: Hedgehog on November 30, 2009, 06:59:41 AM

What is it you like about his politics, specifically?

i like the sales tax issue, but thats it. He reminds me of a slick religious type pushing the donation basket in my face.

BM OUT · « **Reply #18 on:** November 30, 2009, 07:10:31 AM »

The guy is a clown.I dont like him.Everytime he speaks its like its memorised talking points.Nothing seems genuine.A snake oil salesman.Plus another amnesty nut.

240 is Back · « **Reply #19 on:** November 30, 2009, 07:37:25 AM »

i love his pro-education stance a lot. i saw huck on imus... must have been late 06, early 07, before he had even announced his run for the nomination. I also like his honesty about the bible... he admits it's not literal.

very level-headed guy who actually acted presidential while Mitt and Rudy were screaming "no, YOU"RE the bigger lib, Lib!" at one another.

Soul Crusher · « **Reply #20 on:** November 30, 2009, 07:39:57 AM »

Quote from: 240 is Back on November 30, 2009, 07:37:25 AM

i love his pro-education stance a lot. i saw huck on imus... must have been late 06, early 07, before he had even announced his run for the nomination. I also like his honesty about the bible... he admits it's not literal.

very level-headed guy who actually acted presidential while Mitt and Rudy were screaming "no, YOU"RE the bigger lib, Lib!" at one another.

Huckleberry seems like a crowd pleaser to me but thats it. The guy with the cute little line, etc.

However, he reminds me of a lying preacher with the donation basket.

tonymctones · « **Reply #21 on:** November 30, 2009, 08:19:09 AM »

I like huck too so for his sake I really hope it wasnt this guy, he is a religious man but he basis his political agenda off of logical reasoning from what ive seen. He doesnt shove his religion in others faces the way some ppl do but I dont think he would let other walk all over religion either which is good imo.

chadstallion · « **Reply #22 on:** November 30, 2009, 09:30:13 AM »

Quote from: 333386 on November 30, 2009, 07:39:57 AM

Huckleberry seems like a crowd pleaser to me but thats it. The guy with the cute little line, etc.

However, he reminds me of a lying preacher with the donation basket.

oh, oh. twice in one day I am forced to agree with you. Butt, then, even a stopped clock is right every 24 hours....

shootfighter1 · « **Reply #23 on:** November 30, 2009, 10:38:27 AM »

Huckabee is a real common sense guy and wise IMO. I like his demeanor, nevers whines and bitches and never offends people. Yeah, he was a pastor but that was a long time ago. I watch his show here and there and he never goes overboard with religious stuff (that would turn me off too). Right now, I'd support Huckabee, Romney or Pawlenty.

shootfighter1 · « **Reply #24 on:** November 30, 2009, 10:39:14 AM »

Found this on bloomberg.com:

Huckabee, as governor of Arkansas in 2000, commuted a 95- year prison sentence for Maurice Clemmons. Huckabee cited Clemmons’ youth -- he was 17 when he was convicted in 1989 of aggravated robbery -- in commuting the sentence, the Associated Press reported. Clemmons was then paroled by the state board.

“If you pardon someone and they do something, it’s bad news,” said Matt Mackowiak, a Republican strategist. “It can come back to haunt you.”

Huckabee, in a statement on his Web site, said that if Clemmons is found to be responsible for the shootings in Seattle, “it will be the result of a series of failures in the criminal justice system.”
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I can understand wanting to pardon someone who committed armed robbery at age 17. Most of us want people to have a second chance, especially minors, and people who may have had it rough growing up. Unfortunately, this just shows us that some people shouldn't have that second chance (but how do you decide who does and who doesn't). Also again highlights that we have major cultural problems leading to cyclical dysfunctional behavior and crime widespread in lower income Americans and too high a % of criminal activity particularly by low income black males.
This doesn't change my opinion of Huckabee at all.

Author Topic: Huck 2012 chances may have gone down with the Seattle shooting (Read 2551 times)

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