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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Matt C on December 03, 2009, 03:12:20 PM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DP1ACIUHhp4
I watched this documentary and it made me cringe. According to this documentary, the reason why men act masculine is because of social conditioning. At no point in this video do they say anything about genetics which is by far the greater component involved. It must also a social construct that the fastest and strongest human beings on the planet are all men. ::) Oh, and higher levels of endogenous testosterone and other hormones are also social constructions. ::)
Oh, can anyone help me become as strong as Mariusz Pudzianowski and as muscular as Ronnie Coleman? I also want to be as aggressive as Mike Tyson. After all, it's just a matter of social conditioning right? It's not like it's 80% genetic or anything. ::)
"Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it". - Dr. Steven Pinker
These Cultural Marxists never quit. It makes no difference whatsoever how much empirical evidence you show them that is contrary to their dogma, they continue to persist in stating that all behaviour is "conditioned".
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Our test and aggressiveness came first, then the social construct to define what is masculine to promote those attributes.
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Alpha males will always be Alpha males FACT.
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did the documentary say anything about why men are acting less masculine in the last 10 years. Johnnynoname aside.
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behavior is both genetic and environmental. while it is wrong to say masculinity is due solely to culture, its also wrong to say it is only due to genes.
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How soon before this thread segues into a race/IQ one? I give it 2 pages.
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Alpha males will always be Alpha males FACT.
Quoted for truth!
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How soon before this thread segues into a race/IQ one? I give it 2 pages.
Give it time.
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How soon before this thread segues into a race/IQ one? I give it 2 pages.
The commentator in the film addressed race with the same vague methods as those who talk about race and IQ. He said that white kids copy black street thugs who in turn are copying white Italian mobsters as they appear in film, lol. What a vague bunch of shit.
Apparently society just randomly formed "somehow" which sends men messages to be more aggressive than women. But what made society create such gender roles if not genetics to begin with?
The whole documentary is ridiculous.
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The female praying mantis bites the head of the male mantis off after mating.
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The female praying mantis bites the head of the male mantis off after mating.
kinky
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The female praying mantis bites the head of the male mantis off after mating.
Social construct.
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did the documentary say anything about why men are acting less masculine in the last 10 years. Johnnynoname aside.
Had a class where it was shown that a lot of the products we use, like lotion has estrogen compounds in it. But American Society has deemed that Masculinity is evil, and women acquiring more wealth, better jobs and lack of dependance on men also helps as well. The feminist movement deems that men stop being masculine by curbing aggresive behavior and controlling (agree with the controlling part) and that women should not be submissive to men. So who is the "submissive" in today's relationships?
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Had a class where it was shown that a lot of the products we use, like lotion has estrogen compounds in it. But American Society has deemed that Masculinity is evil, and women acquiring more wealth, better jobs and lack of dependance on men also helps as well. The feminist movement deems that men stop being masculine by curbing aggresive behavior and controlling (agree with the controlling part) and that women should not be submissive to men. So who is the "submissive" in today's relationships?
The feminist movement was only great at getting more women in the workforce. Did it really do anything to help women?
PS - check this out:
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=309186.0;attach=349445;image)
Hahaha love that image - perfectly shows the huge degree of feminization of a lot of the "males" in the current generation (teens and 20s). No wonder we've got some of them here making gay poses and saying that's their idea of having fun ::)
You've got to really love the "Emo" fags who are built like females and dress up to look like them on top. Good thing we've still got Getbig to trash them to our satisfaction ;D
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Man is not defined by genetics, genetics is defined by man.
It's just a biological aspect, not an explanation.
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Hahaha love that image - perfectly shows the huge degree of feminization of a lot of the "males" in the current generation (teens and 20s). No wonder we've got some of them here making gay poses and saying that's their idea of having fun ::)
You've got to really love the "Emo" fags who are built like females and dress up to look like them on top. Good thing we've still got Getbig to trash them to our satisfaction ;D
Tell me about it. I have to give Ron credit for letting men actually act like men on here to a greater degree than any other board on the internet today. And here's the fact: what is being said on this site is EXACTLY what everyone on other boards are thinking but wouldn't dare say due to this ridiculous politically correct agenda. The way I see it, what is said on getbig is roughly a reflection of what people are actually thinking, contrasted with musclemayhem for example where you would literally have to kiss the asses of every veteran member and all pros. Getbig speaks the truth.
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The more feminine men the better - less competition and more fun in prison...
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oh brother ::)
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Tell me about it. I have to give Ron credit for letting men actually act like men on here to a greater degree than any other board on the internet today. And here's the fact: what is being said on this site is EXACTLY what everyone on other boards are thinking but wouldn't dare say due to this ridiculous politically correct agenda. The way I see it, what is said on getbig is roughly a reflection of what people are actually thinking, contrasted with musclemayhem for example where you would literally have to kiss the asses of every veteran member and all pros. Getbig speaks the truth.
Yes. And the best part is that Getbig as a system / community doesn't let any bullshit or PC nonsense fly, even if one or more of the individual members lay that crap on the boards and try to get away with it at times.
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Homosexuality is rising and trying to use the media to brain wash people in order to make heteros look like retards and homos look like modern and correct.
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Tell me about it. I have to give Ron credit for letting men actually act like men on here to a greater degree than any other board on the internet today. And here's the fact: what is being said on this site is EXACTLY what everyone on other boards are thinking but wouldn't dare say due to this ridiculous politically correct agenda. The way I see it, what is said on getbig is roughly a reflection of what people are actually thinking, contrasted with musclemayhem for example where you would literally have to kiss the asses of every veteran member and all pros. Getbig speaks the truth.
Kudos to Ron!
I was recently banned from a female board for asking "Why" after some idiot claimed racism over an innocuous comment.
The civil rights movement's sole purpose was to help white women. It just wasn't possible to change their status without addressing black people first. Without creating some parity for women they wouldn't have stayed in the workforce to such an extent and escalated the cost of living.
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The commentator in the film addressed race with the same vague methods as those who talk about race and IQ. He said that white kids copy black street thugs who in turn are copying white Italian mobsters as they appear in film, lol. What a vague bunch of shit.
Apparently society just randomly formed "somehow" which sends men messages to be more aggressive than women. But what made society create such gender roles if not genetics to begin with?
The whole documentary is ridiculous.
i've lived my whole life around wiseguys..and never have i seen them walk around with there drawers sticking out of their jeans...and shooting people in the middle of crowded neighborhoods...even in films they are not portrayed that way.
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Good thread.
Trust Getbig to set the record straight - common sense prevails and men can be men here and not let political correctness stand in the way.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DP1ACIUHhp4
I watched this documentary and it made me cringe. According to this documentary, the reason why men act masculine is because of social conditioning. At no point in this video do they say anything about genetics which is by far the greater component involved. It must also a social construct that the fastest and strongest human beings on the planet are all men. ::) Oh, and higher levels of endogenous testosterone and other hormones are also social constructions. ::)
Oh, can anyone help me become as strong as Mariusz Pudzianowski and as muscular as Ronnie Coleman? I also want to be as aggressive as Mike Tyson. After all, it's just a matter of social conditioning right? It's not like it's 80% genetic or anything. ::)
"Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it". - Dr. Steven Pinker
These Cultural Marxists never quit. It makes no difference whatsoever how much empirical evidence you show them that is contrary to their dogma, they continue to persist in stating that all behaviour is "conditioned".
Talk about missing the point ::)
What they are talking about has nothing to do with the size of a guys muscles or how strong he is. There are little 135lb twinks who act like tuff guys and go off doing violent stuff. A fu#ked in the head midget can do plenty of damage in various situations, publicly or domestically.
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Hahaha love that image - perfectly shows the huge degree of feminization of a lot of the "males" in the current generation (teens and 20s). No wonder we've got some of them here making gay poses and saying that's their idea of having fun ::)
You've got to really love the "Emo" fags who are built like females and dress up to look like them on top. Good thing we've still got Getbig to trash them to our satisfaction ;D
Should be a third set of pics with Xerxes and his "friends"
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I don't know, doesn't sound like he's denying genetics, just trying to bring men back to earth a little bit. Men might be more feminine than ever, but they are also more violent than ever. You don't have to be masculine to be a dumbass. I think if men today were a little more comfortable with themselves they'd both be more what you might call 'genetically masculine' and less violent.
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Homosexuality is rising and trying to use the media to brain wash people in order to make heteros look like retards and homos look like modern and correct.
funny how straight guys are always claiming that we are controling them. If you are really men then why cant you control yourselves?
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oh brother ::)
you cant deny you re the perfect product of this de-masculinization of occident (USA).
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Your genes are in control. Your genes are using your body as a temporary vehicle until you mate and have offspring, in which the genes can be passed on to and live on in, while you wither away and die.
This is why you start to age not long after you finish puberty, as normally animals would mate and reproduce during this period, and your genes have no use for your body after this point. Genes and DNA don't give a shit about emo this and muscle that, as long as you fulfil the powerful biological urges provided by your masters, your genes.
cultural, society 's rules affect biology of the brain and body. The more medias promote homosexuality , the more kids are abandonned by their parents in front of tv and get brainwashed, the more our society will produce homosexuals as a result.
There were less homosexuals when society didnt talk about homosexuality 24/7. I'm not saying it is "bad "or "good" , I'm just stating facts.
This is a fact. Environment affects our biological, physical internal mechanisms . It's all a question of conditionning and exposure. You guys should read about the plasticity of the brain , and as a result Thought, and how it is affected by cultural, social, educational stimulis 24/7.
Everything affects everything.
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yes they don't make em like they used to
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cultural, society 's rules affect biology of the brain and body. The more medias promote homosexuality , the more kids are abandonned by their parents in front of tv and get brainwashed, the more our society will produce homosexuals as a result.
There were less homosexuals when society didnt talk about homosexuality 24/7. I'm not saying it is "bad "or "good" , I'm just stating facts.
This is a fact. Environment affects our biological, physical internal mechanisms . It's all a question of conditionning and exposure. You guys should read about the plasticity of the brain , and as a result Thought, and how it is affected by cultural, social, educational stimulis 24/7.
Everything affects everything.
I'd like to see the evidence proving there were less homosexuals when the media didn't talk about them 24/7. Should be easy as it is a "fact" after all.
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yes they don't make em like they used to
Do followers really count as tough guys?
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yes they don't make em like they used to
The Russian winter says hello.
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The Russian winter says hello.
LOL!!!
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you cant deny you re the perfect product of this de-masculinization of occident (USA).
i'm damn proud of it
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btw, are these two men a part of the "de-Masculinization" of the US as well:
(http://pics.hollywoodrag.com/uploads2/prince178.jpg)(http://citizenceleb.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/dave-navarro1.jpg)
If you answered "Yes", then please, google there sexual resumes and get back to me
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The Russian winter says hello.
Hahaha ;D
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The Russian winter says hello.
the Nazi's where the first to do many things we still use today. Night vision is one of them they had tons of others, just smart beyond belief, we really need to acknowledge we stole their technology when we fought them by grouping up together as pussy nations because not one nation could take on great Germany.
jt
the entire world against germany and it still took you more than 3 years to get to berlin :-*
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btw, are these two men a part of the "de-Masculinization" of the US as well:
(http://pics.hollywoodrag.com/uploads2/prince178.jpg)(http://citizenceleb.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/dave-navarro1.jpg)
If you answered "Yes", then please, google there sexual resumes and get back to me
its their money not their gay look that s apealing to whores...
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The feminist movement was only great at getting more women in the workforce. Did it really do anything to help women?
PS - check this out:
That's very disappointing!
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btw, are these two men a part of the "de-Masculinization" of the US as well:
(http://pics.hollywoodrag.com/uploads2/prince178.jpg)(http://citizenceleb.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/dave-navarro1.jpg)
If you answered "Yes", then please, google there sexual resumes and get back to me
Navarro had admitted to sleeping with men as well as women..Not a great example.
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btw, are these two men a part of the "de-Masculinization" of the US as well:
(http://pics.hollywoodrag.com/uploads2/prince178.jpg)(http://citizenceleb.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/dave-navarro1.jpg)
If you answered "Yes", then please, google there sexual resumes and get back to me
They aren't the only ones to get laid to the degree they did / do, Johnny. Guys like Arnie and Stallone have had their fair share too. You know it comes with the territory.
Ask most guys here who they'd rather be - the former or the latter. Not that majority opinion is always right or that it's not your prerogative to be what you are / want to be.
There's no PC in Getbig, which is why Emos get trashed (hell, who doesn't?) the same way and for the same reason female bodybuilders who look like men do.
BTW, I didn't have you in mind when I made my first couple of posts and now understand your "Oh brother ::) " ;D
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Feminization is DEFINITELY happening.
However, How we define "feminine" and "masculine" are largely social constructs.
In Greek times, the greek warriors who were as masculine as could be, they cross dressed and loved little boys.
In Feudal japanese times, men often dressed as women during theater.
Things like makeup, dresses, long hair, etc. are all considered "feminine" today but in ancient times they were typical for men in many cultures.
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Feminization is DEFINITELY happening.
However, How we define "feminine" and "masculine" are largely social constructs.
In Greek times, the greek warriors who were as masculine as could be, they cross dressed and loved little boys.
In Feudal japanese times, men often dressed as women during theater.
Things like makeup, dresses, long hair, etc. are all considered "feminine" today but in ancient times they were typical for men in many cultures.
How we define homosexual hasn't changed one damn bit. :)
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The Russian winter says hello.
BOOOOOM
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How we define homosexual hasn't changed one damn bit. :)
;D
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I'd like to see the evidence proving there were less homosexuals when the media didn't talk about them 24/7. Should be easy as it is a "fact" after all.
if you cant see most males in their teenage years are dressing/acting like women or that the metrosexual (including its "bodybuilding/fitness" branch) thingy is just a masked way to scream closet homosexuality i dont know what you need.
Just compare nowaday youth with the one of the 80's and 90's, staggering changes.
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Navarro had admitted to sleeping with men as well as women..Not a great example.
no suprise about Navaro, he is the biggest closet case. He was on that show that was hosted with a bunch of women giving advice on how women should dress. Said he hated women in strapless dresses. ::) Then went on to say how in love he was with his wife. What a tool.
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How we define homosexual hasn't changed one damn bit. :)
If a man went around in high heels, a mini-skirt and makeup and long hair....We'd think he was a weirdie and clearly not masculine. However these are social constructs. What makes certain clothing or colors masculine and feminine? Nothing. Who, besides our culture, is to say that dressing up in this sort of outfit is feminine? No one. It isn't inherent in the clothing styles, behavior or colors that makes it feminine but rather how we ourselves define it.
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If a man went around in high heels, a mini-skirt and makeup and long hair....We'd think he was a weirdie and clearly not masculine. However these are social constructs. What makes certain clothing or colors masculine and feminine? Nothing. Who, besides our culture, is to say that dressing up in this sort of outfit is feminine? No one. It isn't inherent in the clothing styles, behavior or colors that makes it feminine but rather how we ourselves define it.
I wrote homosexual, not feminine.
People can dress any way they like and it's only social norms (within limits) that define feminine or masculine. That being said.... most straight dudes I know aren't likely to dress gay goth with tons of make-up and then start playing kissy-face soon as they're a little drunk. :)
Not hatin', just sayin'. There has to be some inclination towards faggotry for that kind of behavior to manifest itself after a few drinks.
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I wrote homosexual, not feminine.
People can dress any way they like and it's only social norms (within limits) that define feminine or masculine. That being said.... most straight dudes I know aren't likely to dress gay goth with tons of make-up and then start playing kissy-face soon as they're a little drunk. :)
Not hatin', just sayin'. There has to be some inclination towards faggotry for that kind of behavior to manifest itself after a few drinks.
The mannerisms in fem men show themselves as clear as dykes exhibit their manliness ... I agree the faggotry just doesn't come with a alcohol or drug induced mentality ... it's there ... period
Musclebears do not have any inclination to do the arching of their backs and hand posing contortions like Xerxes shows in his "acting" photos .. I do think ( far too many ) men are becoming more open in showing off their "metrosexualism" as stylish but it does appear feminine no matter what they would prefer it to be
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homo or not, dave navarro (and prince) both banged carmen electra
(waits for the collective of "studs" on this forum who will say that carmen electra "isn't hot" or "she doesn't do it for me" ::))
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homo or not, dave navarro (and prince) both banged carmen electra
(waits for the collective of "studs" on this forum who will say that carmen electra "isn't hot" or "she doesn't do it for me" ::))
Carmen Electra is super HAWT ;D
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Carmen Electra is super HAWT ;D
exactly
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Carmen Electra is super HAWT ;D
Agree
(http://www.topnews.in/files/carmen-electra22.jpg)
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homo or not, dave navarro (and prince) both banged carmen electra
(waits for the collective of "studs" on this forum who will say that carmen electra "isn't hot" or "she doesn't do it for me" ::))
dennis rodman and fred durst too
they're pretty manly, right? :)
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