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Title: Do Liberals even want jobs or do they just want to complain?
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 09, 2009, 07:05:28 AM
Locals Demand Living Wage for Jobs at Kingsbridge Armory
by Matthew Schuerman


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NEW YORK, NY December 09, 2009 —A City Council committee is set to vote this morning on the controversial plan to turn a former National Guard Armory in the Bronx into a shopping mall. WNYC's Matthew Schuerman has more.

REPORTER: City Council members say it's the closest fight over any real estate in years. A coalition of community organizations and labor unions has been pushing the developer of the Kingsbridge Armory to guarantee that all the jobs at the new shopping mall will pay a living wage. They define a living wage as $11.50 an hour, or $10 an hour if benefits are provided.

Elected officials from the Bronx have largely taken their side. The Bloomberg administration is supporting the developer, the Related Companies, which says that mandating a living wage will scare away retail tenants. A subcommitee and committee must approve a zoning change first, but if successful, the full City Council could vote on the project Wednesday afternoon.

For WNYC, I'm Matthew Schuerman.

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I live about three minutes from this landmark and people really need jobs.  the kids are all over the streets hanging out and would love to work in there. 

WTF is wrong with these libs? 

 
Title: Re: Do Liberals even want jobs or do they just want to complain?
Post by: BodyProSite on December 09, 2009, 07:09:36 AM
they just want to cry racism to people that oppose obama, the head commie in charge, and carry out their socialist agenda of running america into the shitter.
Title: Re: Do Liberals even want jobs or do they just want to complain?
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 09, 2009, 07:19:04 AM
they just want to cry racism to people that oppose obama, the head commie in charge, and carry out their socialist agenda of running america into the shitter.

I live right near this place and people in the area need jobs damnit. 

These left wing vermin destroy everything they go near. 
Title: Re: Do Liberals even want jobs or do they just want to complain?
Post by: LurkerNoMore on December 09, 2009, 07:30:30 AM
I don't see any part of that article that said people were refusing jobs.
Title: Re: Do Liberals even want jobs or do they just want to complain?
Post by: BodyProSite on December 09, 2009, 07:34:23 AM
well duh,  they have to be offered before they can be refused, that is the point , why arent they being offered , man  you not too bright
Title: Re: Do Liberals even want jobs or do they just want to complain?
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 09, 2009, 07:36:51 AM
I don't see any part of that article that said people were refusing jobs.

Read the damn thing fool.  The place is vacant as it is and a develper wants to make a mall.  The local community organizers are trying to shut it down unless they commit to paying a "living wage", which is above the federal minimum wage. 

Stores cant stay open if they are paying a "living wage" to part time help.     
Title: Re: Do Liberals even want jobs or do they just want to complain?
Post by: LurkerNoMore on December 09, 2009, 07:40:12 AM
Reading is quite difficult for you isn't it?

There is no relevant nature between the thread topic and the article content.  Which is no surprise as 333 posted it.  

The article is not about jobs being refused, jobs offered, or jobs of any kind.  It is about wages being paid in according to living standards.

When someone else has to break down and explain to you the article you are attempting to use for ammunition in your daily rants, it really doesn't help you prove a point does it?
Title: Re: Do Liberals even want jobs or do they just want to complain?
Post by: LurkerNoMore on December 09, 2009, 07:42:42 AM
Read the damn thing fool.  The place is vacant as it is and a develper wants to make a mall.  The local community organizers are trying to shut it down unless they commit to paying a "living wage", which is above the federal minimum wage. 

Stores cant stay open if they are paying a "living wage" to part time help.     

I did read it.  Did you?  That is the big question.

Perhaps you can show up where jobs were being refused by liberals?  Isn't that what your thread topic says?

By admitting the article is about wages, you are only highlighting your smear tactic failure.
Title: Re: Do Liberals even want jobs or do they just want to complain?
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 09, 2009, 08:01:24 AM
I did read it.  Did you?  That is the big question.

Perhaps you can show up where jobs were being refused by liberals?  Isn't that what your thread topic says?

By admitting the article is about wages, you are only highlighting your smear tactic failure.

The developer is not going to go forward with this if the demands are kept for a "living wage".  Thus, the libs are refusing jobs since their demands are keeping this thing from moving forward.  . 

Title: Re: Do Liberals even want jobs or do they just want to complain?
Post by: LurkerNoMore on December 09, 2009, 08:04:33 AM
The developer is not going to go forward with this if the demands are kept for a "living wage".  Thus, the libs are refusing jobs since their demands are keeping this thing from moving forward.  . 



No, they are not refusing jobs.  They might be potentially LOSING jobs if the developer pulls out.  But refusing and losing are two different things.

The article is about a conflict in a base line pay scale for employers to accept in exchange for retail space there.
Title: Re: Do Liberals even want jobs or do they just want to complain?
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 09, 2009, 08:06:14 AM
No, they are not refusing jobs.  They might be potentially LOSING jobs if the developer pulls out.  But refusing and losing are two different things.

The article is about a conflict in a base line pay scale for employers to accept in exchange for retail space there.
Title: Re: Do Liberals even want jobs or do they just want to complain?
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 09, 2009, 08:12:39 AM
No, they are not refusing jobs.  They might be potentially LOSING jobs if the developer pulls out.  But refusing and losing are two different things.

The article is about a conflict in a base line pay scale for employers to accept in exchange for retail space there.

There wont be an argument over a pay scale since there will be no jobs to begin with if the left wingers keep their demands with you moron. 
Title: Re: Do Liberals even want jobs or do they just want to complain?
Post by: LurkerNoMore on December 09, 2009, 08:18:19 AM


Was Obama mentioned in that article?  I must have missed that part too.

Where did you see it? 
Title: Re: Do Liberals even want jobs or do they just want to complain?
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 09, 2009, 08:20:48 AM
The picture was fitting. 

Regardless, this is Obamanomics - regulation, intimidation, unions, and community organizing bs. 
Title: Re: Do Liberals even want jobs or do they just want to complain?
Post by: LurkerNoMore on December 09, 2009, 09:24:47 AM
The picture was fitting. 

Regardless, this is Obamanomics - regulation, intimidation, unions, and community organizing bs. 

No it wasn't.  It had nothing to do with Obama.  This shit has happened in hundreds of other places long before Obama was elected.  It has gone on under nearly every one of the last recent Presidents.  And it will go on after Obama is no longer President.  In 2016   ;)

If you were hungry and I offered you a McD's burger and you turned your nose up and said "no thanks".  That is refusing.

If you were hungry and I offered you a McD's burger and you said "ok, but I can only eat soy burgers with shredded lettuce, low fat cheese, grey poupon, and sour dough bread"..  that is losing.  (because I would throw the McD's burger down and say fuck you then.)

They are trying to get the best wage possible for people that will be coming to their area to work.  Now whether that is fair or not, is just an opinion.  You might not think it is fair.  The people applying there might think it is since they want the highest pay possible.

What it comes down to is whether the businesses can sit down and say, in order to accept this pay scale we have to generate a MINIMUM of xxxx amount of sales per week/month/year in order to meet our financial goals.  Will this location provide that for us?  For some chain like Macy's, it could.  For something like Merry Mary's T-shirt shop it might not.

It comes down to who stands to lose more as to where this will go.  If the area is going to lose because of the taxes and such that the venture to bring, then they will bend and back down.  If the businesses stand to lose more in revenue and profit that the area and location could supply them with, then they will bend and back down.
Title: Re: Do Liberals even want jobs or do they just want to complain?
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 09, 2009, 09:28:52 AM
No it wasn't.  It had nothing to do with Obama.  This shit has happened in hundreds of other places long before Obama was elected.  It has gone on under nearly every one of the last recent Presidents.  And it will go on after Obama is no longer President.  In 2016   ;)

If you were hungry and I offered you a McD's burger and you turned your nose up and said "no thanks".  That is refusing.

If you were hungry and I offered you a McD's burger and you said "ok, but I can only eat soy burgers with shredded lettuce, low fat cheese, grey poupon, and sour dough bread"..  that is losing.  (because I would throw the McD's burger down and say fuck you then.)

They are trying to get the best wage possible for people that will be coming to their area to work.  Now whether that is fair or not, is just an opinion.  You might not think it is fair.  The people applying there might think it is since they want the highest pay possible.

What it comes down to is whether the businesses can sit down and say, in order to accept this pay scale we have to generate a MINIMUM of xxxx amount of sales per week/month/year in order to meet our financial goals.  Will this location provide that for us?  For some chain like Macy's, it could.  For something like Merry Mary's T-shirt shop it might not.

It comes down to who stands to lose more as to where this will go.  If the area is going to lose because of the taxes and such that the venture to bring, then they will bend and back down.  If the businesses stand to lose more in revenue and profit that the area and location could supply them with, then they will bend and back down.

This mall is probably going to be filled with sneakers and cell phone stores and crap like that, not Macy's. 

As far as soy burgers, no thanks, I'll take an Angus. 
Title: Re: Do Liberals even want jobs or do they just want to complain?
Post by: 240 is Back on December 09, 2009, 09:37:10 AM
i know a lot of poor and unemployed ppl, many of them lazy too.  most are far-right, obama hating palin lovers.

saying unemployment or lazy-ass people is a political problem isn't right.

lazy people are on both sides of aisle.
Title: Re: Do Liberals even want jobs or do they just want to complain?
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 09, 2009, 09:38:55 AM
i know a lot of poor and unemployed ppl, many of them lazy too.  most are far-right, obama hating palin lovers.

saying unemployment or lazy-ass people is a political problem isn't right.

lazy people are on both sides of aisle.

This area is a lib as it gets.  The Unions and community origanizers are starting this problem, not right wing groups. 

Good try at spin though.   
Title: Re: Do Liberals even want jobs or do they just want to complain?
Post by: 240 is Back on December 09, 2009, 09:40:11 AM
Bloomberg is supporting the libs?  I'm confused.
Title: Re: Do Liberals even want jobs or do they just want to complain?
Post by: LurkerNoMore on December 09, 2009, 09:44:15 AM
This mall is probably going to be filled with sneakers and cell phone stores and crap like that, not Macy's. 

As far as soy burgers, no thanks, I'll take an Angus. 

Do they have a list of the stores that have expressed potential interest in the location?

You said in your first post :

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I live about three minutes from this landmark and people really need jobs.  the kids are all over the streets hanging out and would love to work in there.

then in your last post you said :

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This mall is probably going to be filled with sneakers and cell phone stores and crap like that, not Macy's.

That just might be what they are trying to prevent.  I have no idea as I have never been to the area or know what it's demographics are like or such.  But you KNOW that some place like Foot Locker isn't going to pay those wages.  

Think about it like this.  Malls that are primarily shoe stores, cell phone stores, novelty shops (spencers, journeys, etc..) pay cheap.  And mostly hire teenagers right?  Because they are the only ones who will work cheap.  And what does stores like that attract and cater to?  More teenagers.  And when you have a location with an overflow of teenagers, what do you get?  Idle hanging out that results in crime, shootings, litter, etc...

But walk into a place like Macy's, Sears, Dilliards, Pottery Barn, etc...  the employees are older and those places tend to pay a bit more.  Mainly because their employee turn over rate is lower.  (I saw a chart sometime earlier this year that broke down most of the retailers like that and they tended to hire the majority of their employees 30+ years old and higher).  These employees are usually long term "career" employees.  Who have bills and such and need more income.

So perhaps by trying to keep out the businesses that don't pay much wages, they are attempting to recruit businesses that do and attract and more stable (financial, emotional, maturity) crowd of shoppers.

I don't know about you, but I would rather a building stay closed in my area than open up as a half way swap shop type of place.
Title: Re: Do Liberals even want jobs or do they just want to complain?
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 09, 2009, 09:46:38 AM
This area is probably 90% black and hispanic. 
Title: Re: Do Liberals even want jobs or do they just want to complain?
Post by: LurkerNoMore on December 09, 2009, 10:11:40 AM
This area is probably 90% black and hispanic. 

Smart move then.

Can't come right out and say they don't want "those" kind of stores there without it being discrimination and racist, but you can keep them out by playing hard ball under the premise you are trying to "get you more $$".

When it fails, you win.
Title: Re: Do Liberals even want jobs or do they just want to complain?
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 09, 2009, 10:14:01 AM
Smart move then.

Can't come right out and say they don't want "those" kind of stores there without it being discrimination and racist, but you can keep them out by playing hard ball under the premise you are trying to "get you more $$".

When it fails, you win.

My dad actually was in the Army and had to work there.  He told me they used to have ordinance, tanks, missles and all sorts of crap in there.   
Title: Re: Do Liberals even want jobs or do they just want to complain?
Post by: LurkerNoMore on December 09, 2009, 10:47:39 AM
My dad actually was in the Army and had to work there.  He told me they used to have ordinance, tanks, missles and all sorts of crap in there.   

If they were smart they would turn it into a time-period mini museum type of thing. 

Of course kids nowdays don't care for that kind of shit anyway, but at least the history would be preserved somewhat.
Title: Re: Do Liberals even want jobs or do they just want to complain?
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 09, 2009, 10:50:00 AM
If they were smart they would turn it into a time-period mini museum type of thing. 

Of course kids nowdays don't care for that kind of shit anyway, but at least the history would be preserved somewhat.

The place is massive.  I pass it all the time and the damn thing is enormous. 

They should make a theater out of it or some type of sports complex IMHO. 

Title: Re: Do Liberals even want jobs or do they just want to complain?
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 09, 2009, 10:53:24 AM
Lurker - think of the possibilities:

Title: Re: Do Liberals even want jobs or do they just want to complain?
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 16, 2009, 10:52:49 AM
This is why I will never be a liberal.  Check out below in red.   

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Barack has no deaf-ense for a tin ear
By MICHAEL GOODWIN

Last Updated: 6:39 AM, December 16, 2009

Posted: 5:11 AM, December 16, 2009

Of all the surprises of President Obama's first year, the biggest is his continuing tin ear for the mood of the country. He often appears clueless about what Americans want.

Almost from the moment he stepped into the Oval Office, the man who smashed the Clinton machine and won an electoral landslide over John McCain seemed to lose his touch with the people who put him there.

Some days, many days, he doesn't look like he cares that big chunks of the country, left, right and center, are giving up on him.

Voters by a large margin have said for months they don't want the health-care overhaul he's pushing, so he pushes harder. They want less spending and debt, so he doubles down on pork, bailouts, handouts and taxes.

They thought he would deliver bipartisanship, and he gives his hard-left allies the keys to the kingdom.

They worry about terrorism, so he wants to close Gitmo and move the worst of the worst to the homeland. With Ground Zero still a mess, he gives the 9/11 plotters civilian trials in New York.

His approval ratings are speeding downhill and some 60 percent say the country is on the wrong track. He responds by giving himself a "good solid B-plus" for his first year.

And he says Wall Street bankers "don't get it."

It comes as no surprise, of course, that our young president has a very, very high opinion of himself. But it is nonetheless shocking he remains so brazenly self-righteous in the face of growing public discontent.

A damn-the-torpedoes style of leadership would be welcome if he were an optimist brandishing an inclusive, sunny-side up vision. He's not. He's too often testy, churlish and downright whiny.

His vision is little more than a string of gauzy utopian platitudes glued together with fear, as when he told fellow Dems yesterday that the flawed health-bill represented "the last chance" for reform.

The last chance? Forever?

His charge that bankers have an obligation "to help rebuild the economy" by making more and presumably riskier loans boggles the mind. Low standards are the hair of the dog that led to liar loans and other housing disasters. By all means, let's do it again.

When something goes wrong, it's not his fault. "Fat-cat bankers," "greedy" insurance companies, doctors who do amputations just for the money, special interests, the media -- the media! -- have all taken their turns being blamed for what he hasn't fixed.

The buck doesn't stop on his desk!

If all other scapegoats fail, there's always George W. Bush. Pressed during last Sunday's "60 Minutes" interview on his decision to send 30,000 more troops to Afghanistan, Obama shared his pain and slandered Bush -- all to distinguish his troop surge from his predecessor's.

"One of the mistakes that was made over the last eight years is for us to have a triumphant sense about war," Obama said. "There was a tendency to say, 'We can go in. We can kick some tail. This is some glorious exercise.' When, in fact, this is a tough business."

So even when he reaches the same conclusion as Bush, pursues the same enemy, relies on the same commanders and the same Defense secretary, it's different.

Why? Because he says so.

Council 'wages' foolish war

Don't tell the City Council and their union puppet-masters that a job is the best social program. They prefer welfare, thank you very much.

That's the only conclusion to be drawn from the job-killing decision by the council to reject a development plan for a vacant Bronx armory. After failing to negotiate a mandate that all retail jobs on the Kingsbridge site pay at least $10 an hour plus benefits, pols pulled the plug on the $300 million project (illustration above), most of it to be privately financed.

Gone are 1,000 construction jobs and 1,200 permanent ones. In a borough where the official unemployment rate is 13.4 percent, that's a scandal.

It's also a stuck-in-poverty mindset. As Bronx Borough President Ruben Diaz Jr. proudly crowed: "The notion that any job is better than no job no longer applies."

Maybe not in The Bronx, but in the real world, any job is definitely better than no job. Especially when the only legal alternative is welfare.

Or maybe the pols think they've also outlawed the recession.

Nobody gets rich on the minimum wage of $7.25, but most of the jobs would have paid more, some far more. But it's a losing bet to believe retailers would agree to a mandate that they must pay more than nearby competitors.

Indeed, studies show that requiring any wage leads to fewer jobs being created.

Yet common sense was the first casualty. The talks got so loopy that one idea was to have the city subsidize wages to bring them up to the $10 level.

That the idea was seriously discussed reflects how deeply the entitlement culture is embedded in New York. Nothing moves without a government handout.

The developer, Related Companies, an international real-estate company, was in line to get $17.8 million worth of exemptions on real-estate and sales taxes, along with $30 million in state and federal historic tax credits.

That's a pittance compared to what it would have invested to build out retail spaces within the sprawling armory and sign up store tenants. Still, that the real-estate giant was getting any incentives added fuel to the populist argument that everybody ought to get something.

So now nobody gets anything.

Well, not quite. The city, which spent $30 million on the armory's roof and other improvements and planned to sell it to Related, gets to keep an empty building and annual maintenance costs of $1 million.  
Some people dare call that a victory.

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WIT ALL DUE RESPECT

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At his recent memorial service, I heard some new ones. A friend recalled that Sid, called to speak at the end of a long night of speeches, began by saying, "I feel like Zsa Zsa Gabor's ninth husband. I know what I'm supposed to do. I just don't know if I can keep it interesting."

He once vouched for a fellow by saying, "He's a good friend behind your back." And so was Sid. May he rest in peace.

Title: Re: Do Liberals even want jobs or do they just want to complain?
Post by: Option D on December 16, 2009, 11:06:03 AM
THA FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT..Do liberals want jobs? Like liberal is another race or some shit. Yeah fool Americans want jobs, liberal conservative...everyone fool...fuckin american...you killin me with this shit straight up b. shit is gettin sickening son.
Title: Re: Do Liberals even want jobs or do they just want to complain?
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 16, 2009, 11:09:33 AM
THA FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT..Do liberals want jobs? Like liberal is another race or some shit. Yeah fool Americans want jobs, liberal conservative...everyone fool...fuckin american...you killin me with this shit straight up b. shit is gettin sickening son.

Bro - I live literally three minutes from this place. 

This is a massive site and the whole thing was shut down because of union demands. 

We have tons of kids who would happily work over there. 
Title: Re: Do Liberals even want jobs or do they just want to complain?
Post by: BodyProSite on December 16, 2009, 12:11:16 PM
liberals dont want anyone to make enough to actualy live without the help of the government, if the poor see the libs keep giving just enough to scrape buy they can manipulate the lower class, and then come election time just promise more handouts and who do you think the poor will vote for? fegaurdless of how bad who they are voting for will screw things up
Title: Re: Do Liberals even want jobs or do they just want to complain?
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 16, 2009, 12:13:32 PM
Council 'wages' foolish war

Don't tell the City Council and their union puppet-masters that a job is the best social program. They prefer welfare, thank you very much.

That's the only conclusion to be drawn from the job-killing decision by the council to reject a development plan for a vacant Bronx armory. After failing to negotiate a mandate that all retail jobs on the Kingsbridge site pay at least $10 an hour plus benefits, pols pulled the plug on the $300 million project (illustration above), most of it to be privately financed.

Gone are 1,000 construction jobs and 1,200 permanent ones. In a borough where the official unemployment rate is 13.4 percent, that's a scandal.

It's also a stuck-in-poverty mindset. As Bronx Borough President Ruben Diaz Jr. proudly crowed: "The notion that any job is better than no job no longer applies."

Maybe not in The Bronx, but in the real world, any job is definitely better than no job. Especially when the only legal alternative is welfare.

Or maybe the pols think they've also outlawed the recession.

Nobody gets rich on the minimum wage of $7.25, but most of the jobs would have paid more, some far more. But it's a losing bet to believe retailers would agree to a mandate that they must pay more than nearby competitors.

Indeed, studies show that requiring any wage leads to fewer jobs being created.

Yet common sense was the first casualty. The talks got so loopy that one idea was to have the city subsidize wages to bring them up to the $10 level.

That the idea was seriously discussed reflects how deeply the entitlement culture is embedded in New York. Nothing moves without a government handout.

The developer, Related Companies, an international real-estate company, was in line to get $17.8 million worth of exemptions on real-estate and sales taxes, along with $30 million in state and federal historic tax credits.

That's a pittance compared to what it would have invested to build out retail spaces within the sprawling armory and sign up store tenants. Still, that the real-estate giant was getting any incentives added fuel to the populist argument that everybody ought to get something.

So now nobody gets anything.

Well, not quite. The city, which spent $30 million on the armory's roof and other improvements and planned to sell it to Related, gets to keep an empty building and annual maintenance costs of $1 million.

Some people dare call that a victory.


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This is why I hate NYC.  Liberal garbage rules the day.   
Title: Re: Do Liberals even want jobs or do they just want to complain?
Post by: Soul Crusher on June 20, 2011, 10:28:26 AM
BUMP   
Title: Re: Do Liberals even want jobs or do they just want to complain?
Post by: LurkerNoMore on June 20, 2011, 01:49:08 PM
Usually when people bump 18 month old threads it is because there have been new developments or they have something of substance to add to it.

Not because their panties got twisted and they are crying again.
Title: Re: Do Liberals even want jobs or do they just want to complain?
Post by: Soul Crusher on June 20, 2011, 01:52:06 PM
Usually when people bump 18 month old threads it is because there have been new developments or they have something of substance to add to it.

Not because their panties got twisted and they are crying again.

You have no idea why I bumped it.  It wasnt for you assface.    I bumped it for someone else.  Douche.  Go back to working on your tan lines on the gay beach sipping fruity little drinks.           
Title: Re: Do Liberals even want jobs or do they just want to complain?
Post by: Option D on June 20, 2011, 02:09:04 PM
You have no idea why I bumped it.  It wasnt for you assface.    I bumped it for someone else.  Douche.  Go back to working on your tan lines on the gay beach sipping fruity little drinks.           

Mojitos are awesome
Title: Re: Do Liberals even want jobs or do they just want to complain?
Post by: George Whorewell on June 20, 2011, 02:25:21 PM
Mojitos are awesome

Outed.
Title: Re: Do Liberals even want jobs or do they just want to complain?
Post by: Option D on June 20, 2011, 02:28:36 PM
Outed.

Con 151 Bacardi that is
Title: Re: Do Liberals even want jobs or do they just want to complain?
Post by: Soul Crusher on June 20, 2011, 02:30:07 PM
Con 151 Bacardi that is

Mal - if you were on the NYC Council - how would you vote on this?   
Title: Re: Do Liberals even want jobs or do they just want to complain?
Post by: Option D on June 20, 2011, 02:34:41 PM
I would vote for the project to go through

Because unlike Mr. Asshole there... yes... low paying jobs are better than no jobs
Title: Re: Do Liberals even want jobs or do they just want to complain?
Post by: Soul Crusher on June 20, 2011, 02:37:42 PM
I would vote for the project to go through

Because unlike Mr. Asshole there... yes... low paying jobs are better than no jobs



What those jackasses dont get - is that other jobs are created as well - delivering the goods to the place, security, nearby businesses, etc.   
Title: Re: Do Liberals even want jobs or do they just want to complain?
Post by: Option D on June 20, 2011, 02:54:33 PM


What those jackasses dont get - is that other jobs are created as well - delivering the goods to the place, security, nearby businesses, etc.   

I think you have me confused. I dont like Dems and i dont like Repubs..
Yes this would be great for the local economy... yes i concede that. The dems on the city council are bullshittin
Title: Re: Do Liberals even want jobs or do they just want to complain?
Post by: Roger Bacon on June 20, 2011, 03:06:10 PM
Locals Demand Living Wage for Jobs at Kingsbridge Armory
by Matthew Schuerman


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NEW YORK, NY December 09, 2009 —A City Council committee is set to vote this morning on the controversial plan to turn a former National Guard Armory in the Bronx into a shopping mall. WNYC's Matthew Schuerman has more.

REPORTER: City Council members say it's the closest fight over any real estate in years. A coalition of community organizations and labor unions has been pushing the developer of the Kingsbridge Armory to guarantee that all the jobs at the new shopping mall will pay a living wage. They define a living wage as $11.50 an hour, or $10 an hour if benefits are provided.

Elected officials from the Bronx have largely taken their side. The Bloomberg administration is supporting the developer, the Related Companies, which says that mandating a living wage will scare away retail tenants. A subcommitee and committee must approve a zoning change first, but if successful, the full City Council could vote on the project Wednesday afternoon.

For WNYC, I'm Matthew Schuerman.

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I live about three minutes from this landmark and people really need jobs.  the kids are all over the streets hanging out and would love to work in there. 

WTF is wrong with these libs? 

I don't understand this.  Aren't some jobs better than no jobs?  Are there not teenagers, single people, students that could really use a salary under "living wage"?  I worked for 7.50 as a teenager for three years.  Saved almost all of it, and put that towards something that would actually earn me a "living wage".
Title: Re: Do Liberals even want jobs or do they just want to complain?
Post by: Option D on June 20, 2011, 03:16:12 PM
I don't understand this.  Aren't some jobs better than no jobs?  Are there not teenagers, single people, students that could really use a salary under "living wage"?  I worked for 7.50 as a teenager for three years.  Saved almost all of it, and put that towards something that would actually earn me a "living wage".
yes.. while in college i made $6/hr at gnc.. true story
Title: Re: Do Liberals even want jobs or do they just want to complain?
Post by: Roger Bacon on June 20, 2011, 03:18:42 PM
yes.. while in college i made $6/hr at gnc.. true story

Same here, good man!  ;D
Title: Re: Do Liberals even want jobs or do they just want to complain?
Post by: LurkerNoMore on June 20, 2011, 06:01:49 PM
You have no idea why I bumped it. 

No I don't.  Neither does anyone else.  Why?  Because :

Usually when people bump 18 month old threads it is because there have been new developments or they have something of substance to add to it.

Not because their panties got twisted and they are crying again.

Typing in "BUMP" ain't doing shit but revealing yourself as a no life having home leaving internet fake. 

Fucking crybaby. 
Title: Re: Do Liberals even want jobs or do they just want to complain?
Post by: Fury on June 20, 2011, 06:12:13 PM
No I don't.  Neither does anyone else.  Why?  Because :

Typing in "BUMP" ain't doing shit but revealing yourself as a no life having home leaving internet fake. 

Fucking crybaby. 

MELTDOWN.
Title: Re: Do Liberals even want jobs or do they just want to complain?
Post by: LurkerNoMore on June 20, 2011, 06:15:58 PM
A simple reply pointing out an idiots behavior constitutes a meltdown for you?  Well considering your lack of IQ I would suppose so.  I guess you put in many hours each day practicing stupidity while working the drive thru.

Carry on Nancy boy.  May you one day actually make a valid point.  Though no one is holding their breath waiting for that day to arrive.
Title: Re: Do Liberals even want jobs or do they just want to complain?
Post by: Soul Crusher on June 20, 2011, 06:16:22 PM
I bumped it for mal you idiot in relation to another thread.
Title: Re: Do Liberals even want jobs or do they just want to complain?
Post by: Fury on June 20, 2011, 06:16:55 PM
The posts you direct at 333 are dripping with psychotic far-leftist rage. I can practically see you foaming at the mouth as you smash your keyboard through your desk when you're typing up your responses to him.
Title: Re: Do Liberals even want jobs or do they just want to complain?
Post by: LurkerNoMore on June 20, 2011, 06:20:29 PM
You would be wrong then.  Which isn't unusual for you.  Considering your normal responses are made of either calling someone a fagg0t, claiming they are in a meltdown, or some muslim based tirade... it's easy to see you are just an idiot whose brain cells have not multiplied into the range of double digits.  The only thing about you in double digits besides your age is definitely the Y-chromosome.

Good luck with life.  You are going to need it.
Title: Re: Do Liberals even want jobs or do they just want to complain?
Post by: Fury on June 20, 2011, 06:22:31 PM
You would be wrong then.  Which isn't unusual for you.  Considering your normal responses are made of either calling someone a fagg0t, claiming they are in a meltdown, or some muslim based tirade... it's easy to see you are just an idiot whose brain cells have not multiplied into the range of double digits.  The only thing about you in double digits besides your age is definitely the Y-chromosome.

Good luck with life.  You are going to need it.

Hahahahaha, more frothing liberal rage.

I've used the word "fagg0t" maybe twice on this board in the last year (off the top of my head, once in May and once directed at you). Swing and a miss.

Speaking of succeeding at life, I can guarantee you that successful people don't dedicate hours of their life to following another grown man around an internet forum because he hurt their feelings.  :)
Title: Re: Do Liberals even want jobs or do they just want to complain?
Post by: LurkerNoMore on June 20, 2011, 06:22:43 PM
I bumped it for mal you idiot in relation to another thread.

Most people simply put a link in the other thread to what they want to bring up.
Most people simply bump a thread and make a relevant post on why they did it.
Most people, unlike you, don't sit around whining and crying on the internet 24/7 with useless bullshit for replies.

But hey....  you can't look any more stupid than you already do.  Carry on.
Title: Re: Do Liberals even want jobs or do they just want to complain?
Post by: Soul Crusher on June 20, 2011, 06:25:08 PM
Meltdown.
Title: Re: Do Liberals even want jobs or do they just want to complain?
Post by: LurkerNoMore on June 20, 2011, 06:25:31 PM
Hahahahaha, more frothing liberal rage.

I've used the word "fagg0t" maybe twice on this board in the last year (off the top of my head, once in May and once directed at you). Swing and a miss.

Speaking of succeeding at life, I can guarantee you that successful people don't dedicate hours of their life to following another grown man around an internet forum because he hurt their feelings.  :)

Boo - fucking - Hoo.

As is pointing out the failing tendencies of another crybaby is "following him around".  Hurt my feelings?  HAHAHAHA the day a fake does that is a sad day indeed.

I can guarantee you that other people don't sit on the internet 24/7 like the idiot you attempt to defend.   And fail to do so.  

Keep trying though.  Maybe the two of you can actually pass for normal one day.
Title: Re: Do Liberals even want jobs or do they just want to complain?
Post by: LurkerNoMore on June 20, 2011, 06:26:25 PM
Meltdown.

Already addressed above.

Again, how many posts did you make on the internet this weekend?  Is your fake girlfriend still having family issues too you have to go take care of?
Title: Re: Do Liberals even want jobs or do they just want to complain?
Post by: Skip8282 on June 20, 2011, 06:27:10 PM
yes.. while in college i made $6/hr at gnc.. true story



Tried to get a job there myself as a teen, but none of the franchisees in this area would hire me under 18.  I wasn't even worried about the money - just wanted mega discounts on shit.  :D
Title: Re: Do Liberals even want jobs or do they just want to complain?
Post by: LurkerNoMore on June 20, 2011, 06:29:06 PM


Tried to get a job there myself as a teen, but none of the franchisees in this area would hire me under 18.  I wasn't even worried about the money - just wanted mega discounts on shit.  :D

Five finger discounts?  LOL!!!

Actually I have been told that GNC here in FL (and Vitamin Shoppe too) will not hire any one under 25.  But they don't seem to have any problem with staffing their stores with fat people though.
Title: Re: Do Liberals even want jobs or do they just want to complain?
Post by: Soul Crusher on June 20, 2011, 06:33:13 PM
For someone who claims to have spent the weekend working on his tan lines and sipping bay breezes - you seem very angry.
Title: Re: Do Liberals even want jobs or do they just want to complain?
Post by: Mr. Magoo on June 20, 2011, 06:34:36 PM
I don't know what this thread is about, I haven't read any posts

But I will respond to the title: Some things are more important than only jobs
Title: Re: Do Liberals even want jobs or do they just want to complain?
Post by: LurkerNoMore on June 20, 2011, 06:39:26 PM
Where did I claim I sipped bay breezes?  Where did I claim I had any alcohol at all?  Are you lying again?  I mean, I know it is habitual for you throughout your entire life and occurs on a daily basis here.   But really... making up shit is all you are good at?

Me?  Angry?  Why?  Because my internet postings didn't reach 500+ on multiple sites over the weekend?  I don't think so.

Low self esteem is a bitch isn't it?  Combine that with massive insecurities and one can understand why you are afraid to show your face in real life and never venture outside the house.

Title: Re: Do Liberals even want jobs or do they just want to complain?
Post by: Fury on June 20, 2011, 06:42:00 PM
Where did I claim I sipped bay breezes?  Where did I claim I had any alcohol at all?  Are you lying again?  I mean, I know it is habitual for you throughout your entire life and occurs on a daily basis here.   But really... making up shit is all you are good at?

Me?  Angry?  Why?  Because my internet postings didn't reach 500+ on multiple sites over the weekend?  I don't think so.

Low self esteem is a bitch isn't it?  Combine that with massive insecurities and one can understand why you are afraid to show your face in real life and never venture outside the house.



It's funny that you're talking about insecurities when 333 bruised your ego so badly you actually challenged him to come meet you in real life while you've also spent the last 3 months following him around this board like a puppy dog.

Nope, nothing insecure about that.

Words on the internet = serious shit.
Title: Re: Do Liberals even want jobs or do they just want to complain?
Post by: Soul Crusher on June 20, 2011, 06:42:26 PM
Meltdown number 3.
Title: Re: Do Liberals even want jobs or do they just want to complain?
Post by: LurkerNoMore on June 20, 2011, 06:44:43 PM
It's funny that you're talking about insecurities when 333 bruised your ego so badly you actually challenged him to come meet you in real life while you've also spent the last 3 months following him around this board like a puppy dog.

Nope, nothing insecure about that.

Words on the internet = serious shit.


Nope.  I called him a fake.  He had a chance to prove it but his little chicken shit ass made up a fake emergency over his fake girlfriend.

Nice try though. 
Title: Re: Do Liberals even want jobs or do they just want to complain?
Post by: LurkerNoMore on June 20, 2011, 06:45:50 PM
Meltdown number 3.

Coming from a proven liar, this isn't a really insightful or relevant post.

I guess when life sucks, you have to make up your own excuses.
Title: Re: Do Liberals even want jobs or do they just want to complain?
Post by: Mr. Magoo on June 20, 2011, 06:46:38 PM
Meltdown number 3.

What's your take on this article?

http://www.slate.com/id/2297019
Title: Re: Do Liberals even want jobs or do they just want to complain?
Post by: Soul Crusher on June 20, 2011, 06:47:01 PM
Coming from a proven liar, this isn't a really insightful or relevant post.

I guess when life sucks, you have to make up your own excuses.

Meltdown 4
Title: Re: Do Liberals even want jobs or do they just want to complain?
Post by: Skip8282 on June 20, 2011, 06:47:10 PM
Five finger discounts?  LOL!!!

Actually I have been told that GNC here in FL (and Vitamin Shoppe too) will not hire any one under 25.  But they don't seem to have any problem with staffing their stores with fat people though.


It is freaky to see 5'4" women weighing 280 staffing a health store.  I'm surprised any are still in business.  I don't buy shit there anymore since it's so much cheaper online.
Title: Re: Do Liberals even want jobs or do they just want to complain?
Post by: LurkerNoMore on June 20, 2011, 07:08:24 PM
Meltdown 4

Got nothing else?  Surely another lie to peddle and get caught in?

As said... low self esteem is a bitch isn't it?
Title: Re: Do Liberals even want jobs or do they just want to complain?
Post by: Soul Crusher on June 20, 2011, 07:10:18 PM
Got nothing else?  Surely another lie to peddle and get caught in?

As said... low self esteem is a bitch isn't it?

#5.
Title: Re: Do Liberals even want jobs or do they just want to complain?
Post by: LurkerNoMore on June 20, 2011, 07:12:08 PM

It is freaky to see 5'4" women weighing 280 staffing a health store.  I'm surprised any are still in business.  I don't buy shit there anymore since it's so much cheaper online.

Or worse.....  people with a waist size under 28", pock marked and pimply face, pasty white vitamin deficient skin, oily hair, yellow teeth and a pack of Winstons in their shirt pockets.

As if they wouldn't sell more products if the people who worked there actually looked like they took vitamins themselves.  Maybe all the in shape applicants ran down to the Abercrombie store and got hired.
Title: Re: Do Liberals even want jobs or do they just want to complain?
Post by: Soul Crusher on June 20, 2011, 07:12:17 PM
What's your take on this article?

http://www.slate.com/id/2297019

The track record of Austrian Econ vs Keynes speaks for itself.  
Title: Re: Do Liberals even want jobs or do they just want to complain?
Post by: LurkerNoMore on June 20, 2011, 07:14:08 PM
#5.

Is someone helping you with your counting?

It's getting late.  You can't stay up too late tonight posting on the internet.  Because you have to get up in the morning and start all over with the internet life again.

Denial is a very flimsy shield when encountering reality you know.
Title: Re: Do Liberals even want jobs or do they just want to complain?
Post by: Soul Crusher on June 20, 2011, 07:39:36 PM
6th meltdown.  Congrats.  I have had ex girlfriends stalk me less than you do.  Bro - you have a thing for italians? 
Title: Re: Do Liberals even want jobs or do they just want to complain?
Post by: sync pulse on June 20, 2011, 08:54:45 PM
Read the damn thing fool.  The place is vacant as it is and a develper wants to make a mall.  The local community organizers are trying to shut it down unless they commit to paying a "living wage", which is above the federal minimum wage. 

Stores cant stay open if they are paying a "living wage" to part time help.     

$10.00hr is not  a living wage...If a job can't pay enough for a family to survive, it must be redesigned/re-engineered...
Title: Re: Do Liberals even want jobs or do they just want to complain?
Post by: Soul Crusher on June 20, 2011, 09:02:18 PM
$10.00hr is not  a living wage...If a job can't pay enough for a family to survive, it must be redesigned/re-engineered...

Why?   These would be part time jobs for kids.   Fuck that Living wage crap.   This s NYC.   A living was would be at least 25 an hour.   Can't pay part time clerks 25 an hour.
Title: Re: Do Liberals even want jobs or do they just want to complain?
Post by: LurkerNoMore on June 21, 2011, 05:11:09 AM
Asperger syndrome is a bitch isn't it?
Title: Re: Do Liberals even want jobs or do they just want to complain?
Post by: Soul Crusher on June 21, 2011, 05:15:30 AM
Asperger syndrome is a bitch isn't it?


Meltdown #7
Title: Re: Do Liberals even want jobs or do they just want to complain?
Post by: LurkerNoMore on June 21, 2011, 05:32:00 AM
Nothing more to say but repeating yourself?

Yes... 

Asperger syndrome is a bitch isn't it?
Title: Re: Do Liberals even want jobs or do they just want to complain?
Post by: Soul Crusher on June 21, 2011, 05:42:21 AM
Nothing more to say but repeating yourself?

Yes... 


#8.   


Bro - go work on your tan lines with the twinks at the pool and have fun with the cabana boys.   
Title: Re: Do Liberals even want jobs or do they just want to complain?
Post by: Hereford on June 21, 2011, 02:01:21 PM
This mall is probably going to be filled with sneakers and cell phone stores and crap like that, not Macy's. 

As far as soy burgers, no thanks, I'll take an Angus. 

What's an angus?
Title: Re: Do Liberals even want jobs or do they just want to complain?
Post by: Soul Crusher on June 21, 2011, 02:03:31 PM
What's an angus?

The one they sell at Mickey D's, if you wan to call that beef at all       ;D   ;D   
Title: Re: Do Liberals even want jobs or do they just want to complain?
Post by: Hereford on June 21, 2011, 02:05:22 PM
Oh, it's a kind of hamburger, I get it...
Title: Re: Do Liberals even want jobs or do they just want to complain?
Post by: Soul Crusher on June 21, 2011, 02:21:35 PM
Good debate on this.