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to see Sarah Palin on this massive PR tour, doing shows, selling books, talking etc. The part that I find annoying is that she walked away from her job as Governor to do this? I mean really? I can't respect anyone who does that. I know 333 or someone else will bring up some other politician as an excuse, whatever. I just cannot believe she gets a pass on this? Really? And yes I would say the same thing if she were a dem. I just find this completely self serving and wrong. What does it say that she knew she'd be able to get away with it without criticsm from the right? I would have had a lot more respect for her if she put her time in as governor and gained a deserved political resume. She's hot and all but this shit amazes me. I can't fathom the right doesn't care about this :-\
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She's hot and all
That's why the right doesn't care about her actions, her lack of qualifications, her ditzyness, her history as a quitter, etc...
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She quit as governor because the dumb ass piss ant dems kept bringing lawsuits against her[every one defeated time and again by the way].She was going broke.Should someone remain as governor or any job for that matter,only to go broke paying for lawyers?Fighting lies and lawsuits by little limp wristed guys?
I have no problem with her making money.Al Gore has used his position of power,to make up a global warming theory thats been proven a hoax,and used it to scare America and make millions off of it.I find that FAR more bothersome.
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to see Sarah Palin on this massive PR tour, doing shows, selling books, talking etc. The part that I find annoying is that she walked away from her job as Governor to do this? I mean really? I can't respect anyone who does that. I know 333 or someone else will bring up some other politician as an excuse, whatever. I just cannot believe she gets a pass on this? Really? And yes I would say the same thing if she were a dem. I just find this completely self serving and wrong. What does it say that she knew she'd be able to get away with it without criticsm from the right? I would have had a lot more respect for her if she put her time in as governor and gained a deserved political resume. She's hot and all but this shit amazes me. I can't fathom the right doesn't care about this :-\
Hugo - did you read her book?
I cant believe i have to describe this AGAIN.
Right after the election, the lefting bloggers and others started flooding the govt with FOIL requests, bogus ethics charges, etc. According to Alskan law, she was on the hook personally for all of the costs born by the state in dealing with it. By June, she already was in debt of over 500k and her attorneys told her that amount would grow exponentially. She was not wealthy before this.
They also bvasically shut downt eh govt since almost off of the resources of the govs office had to be used to deal with FOIL requests and dealing with this crap.
Her kid Piper was stalked at school by reporters, the AP pitched a tent or some crazy shuit behind her house.
Security guards caught one reporter stalking her house in the woods.
She discussed the situation on how it was affecting her family and she discussed it with all of them first. She said she knows exactly how it looks and discussed it at length in the book.
Instead of buying into the typical MSM talking points, why dont you read the book and judge for yourself?
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And she quit as Mayor, Energy Commissioner, Dog Catcher, Soccer Mom, etc.... whatever else job she had, she has quit. The weakest excuse is talking about quitting because of lawsuits when the history of being a quitter was established long before she even became gov.
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She took a vow to serve 4 years as a public official.
She broke that vow for personal profit.
It's that simple. She took the $ and ran.
And to your points 33, I understand that sucked for her - but Obama went thru the same shit. He had the media attached to his life for 2+ years... and he had nutbags showing up at his events with open-carry rifles. Aside from that tomato douchebag, at least people aren't threatening her. Obama has had plenty of media scrutiny - mainly, the #1 news channel personally dedicated to dissing him 24/7.
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She took a vow to serve 4 years as a public official.
She broke that vow for personal profit.
It's that simple. She took the $ and ran.
And to your points 33, I understand that sucked for her - but Obama went thru the same shit. He had the media attached to his life for 2+ years... and he had nutbags showing up at his events with open-carry rifles. Aside from that tomato douchebag, at least people aren't threatening her. Obama has had plenty of media scrutiny - mainly, the #1 news channel personally dedicated to dissing him 24/7.
Thats pure fucking bs 240. She didnt take an oath to be personally bankrupted for left wing assholed to shut downt he govt. Thats utter nonsense and you know it.
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It's the left wing fault she quit all those other positions and colleges too?
Amazing!
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And she quit as Mayor, Energy Commissioner, Dog Catcher, Soccer Mom, etc.... whatever else job she had, she has quit. The weakest excuse is talking about quitting because of lawsuits when the history of being a quitter was established long before she even became gov.
She quit as mayor?She ran for a higher office.By your definition Obama quit as community organiser,state senator and senator.
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well as predicted her supporters are willing to latch on to whatever they can to excuse her. I'm sure these guys didn't care one bit about breaking Clinton's bank account by the end of his presidency.
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"Thats pure fucking bs 240. She didnt take an oath to be personally bankrupted for left wing assholed to shut downt he govt. Thats utter nonsense and you know it. "
Okay, I will not argue that.
Will you accept lurker's point that she had a long history of quitting jobs?
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well as predicted her supporters are willing to latch on to whatever they can to excuse her. I'm sure these guys didn't care one bit about breaking Clinton's bank account by the end of his presidency.
Ugh - he was disbarred for committing perjury in a civil trial remember?
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She took a vow to serve 4 years as a public official.
She broke that vow for personal profit.
It's that simple. She took the $ and ran.
And to your points 33, I understand that sucked for her - but Obama went thru the same shit. He had the media attached to his life for 2+ years... and he had nutbags showing up at his events with open-carry rifles. Aside from that tomato douchebag, at least people aren't threatening her. Obama has had plenty of media scrutiny - mainly, the #1 news channel personally dedicated to dissing him 24/7.
What are you talking about?Obama had the media up his ass to the point they never mentioned him sitting in a racist church for twenty years UNTIL FOX and the right put it out there.The media hasnt done a dam bit of investigating of him and only do it relunctantly after the right brings it out.
As far as the guns go,one guy was anti-government guy who left LONG before Obama got there and the other one was a black that was an Obama supporter.Now,did Obama fear he would be bankrupted by frivolous lawsuits,I dont recall that.Did Obamas kids get attacked?I dont recall that.Please dont even try to compare the treatment of Palin to the worship of Obama including "newsmen" getting tingles up their legs when hearing him speak.
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why don't you guys get the facts here for us to all look at. Lets list these lawsuits and the details. Not from Hannity's webpage either. I want to see this leftwing conspiracy to break her financially from the legal sources.
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LOL... another palin thread... it must be monday
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Ugh - he was disbarred for committing perjury in a civil trial remember?
there was other shit too if I remember right. He had a lot of shit to defend against.
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"What are you talking about?Obama had the media up his ass to the point they never mentioned him sitting in a racist church for twenty years UNTIL FOX and the right put it out there.The media hasnt done a dam bit of investigating of him and only do it relunctantly after the right brings it out."
I Love it how you can brag about fox being the #1 piece of the media. Then, completely exclude them. They are an anti-Obama network. They're #1 in cable news.
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LOL... another palin thread... it must be monday
I think this is my first palin thread since the election. and like I said, I don't mean to pile on, this just bugged me that she walks away from office for personal gain.
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240 - read this and educate yourself. If you still want to parrot left wing MSNBC talking points, fine.
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Why Palin Quit
Death by a Thousand FOIAs
www.wsj.com
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People close to Sarah Palin say national political reporters and pundits have missed the real reasons for her surprising decision to resign as Alaska governor. The national media have dismissed or downplayed her real motives, which had little to do with any plans to run for president in 2012.
Contrary to most reports, her decision had been in the works for months, accelerating recently as it became clear that controversies and endless ethics investigations were threatening to overshadow her legislative agenda. "Attacks inside Alaska and largely invisible to the national media had paralyzed her administration," someone close to the governor told me. "She was fully aware she would be branded a 'quitter.' She did not want to disappoint her constituents, but she was no longer able to do the job she had been elected to do. Essentially, the taxpayers were paying for Sarah to go to work every day and defend herself."
This situation developed because Alaska's transparency laws allow anyone to file Freedom of Information Act requests. While normally useful, in the hands of political opponents FOIA requests can become a means to bog down a target in a bureaucratic quagmire, thanks to the need to comb through records and respond by a strict timetable. Similarly, ethics investigations are easily triggered and can drag on for months even if the initial complaint is flimsy. Since Ms. Palin returned to Alaska after the 2008 campaign, some 150 FOIA requests have been filed and her office has been targeted for investigation by everyone from the FBI to the Alaska legislature. Most have centered on Ms. Palin's use of government resources, and to date have turned up little save for a few state trips that she agreed to reimburse the state for because her children had accompanied her. In the process, though, she accumulated $500,000 in legal fees in just the last nine months, and knew the bill would grow ever larger in the future.
"The Alaska ethics elves had painted such a target on Sarah's forehead that she had begun turning down pretty much every invitation she got -- even though they were pouring in every day by the dozens," a confidant of the governor's told me. "It is not throwing in the towel. It is deciding that she was ineffective in fighting for her principles and could do more in another role."
Family considerations also played a role. Ms. Palin gave birth to a baby with Down's Syndrome in 2008, and also has a six-year old. Everyone in the family was weary of endless personal attacks, including mean-spirited suggestions on liberal blogs that all of her children should have been aborted and that she would run on a presidential platform promoting retardation.
Governor Palin tried hunkering down. She ignored offers of help from outside and kept media outlets at a distance. "Palin had become so suspicious of the media that she rejected hundreds of requests by even friendly reporters to interview her. Her press aides say that before considering interviews, she insists that they comb through reporters' work, even if they write for a friendly, conservative publication," writes Ron Kessler of NewsMax.com. I can also attest to the difficulty of reaching Governor Palin's staff and getting simple requests answered -- the problem is that such standoffishness can sometimes result in more negative coverage rather than less.
Karl Rove acknowledges the unusual battering Ms. Palin has endured in recent months, but told Fox News that GOP leaders are still puzzled by her decision. "If she wanted to escape the ethics investigations and save the taxpayers money, she's now done that," he said. Unfortunately, he added, her decision "sent a signal that if you do this kind of thing to a sitting governor like her, you can drive her out of office."
But Palin friends say such commentary misses the real point. "The Beltway media can't understand someone not consumed with presidential ambition," one told me. "Maybe Sarah Palin won't run for president and maybe her family situation made it tougher to handle the barrage of attacks that come with that territory. The real issue that should be asked is why a mean-spirited system has to treat people who run like that, instead of why someone may choose not to go through it."
All good points, and they lead me to conclude that Ms. Palin mostly likely will not run for president -- in 2012, at least. She made many mistakes after suddenly being thrust into the national spotlight last year, but hasn't merited the sneering contempt visited upon her by national reporters. She simply was not their kind of feminist -- and they disdained the politically incorrect life choices she had made.
In helping to convince Sarah Palin that her road forward in national politics would demand even more sacrifices and pain than exacted from most politicians, the media did nothing to encourage women or people of modest means to participate in politics. By sidestepping her critics, Sarah Palin is now moving to another playing field where she has more control over the rules of the game. Her friends say her critics may call her a "quitter" now, but they should wait and see what new role she decides to fill. She may wind up having the last laugh.
-- John Fund
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Like I have said to you, read the book and make up your own mind.
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And I think with the support she has, she could have raised the money to pay for legal issues, if they were really that bad. easily...... especially if the storyline is that the evil dems are breaking her bank. no no no, this is about more. and she needed the time to get what she wants. Serving as gov was in her way. I have a problem with that.
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Why did she walk away from her other jobs? She quit. Plain and simple.
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well as predicted her supporters are willing to latch on to whatever they can to excuse her. I'm sure these guys didn't care one bit about breaking Clinton's bank account by the end of his presidency.
Well,dont include me in that.I thought what happened to him was disgraceful.I thought it was a MAJOR failing of the right.I opposed Clinton based on his politics,BUT he was much better then the average dem.
Now,I will say the day he walked out of the Church with that great big Bible under his arm was disgusting and the night he mouther "I love you " to Hillary while his spooge was drying on Lewinskis dress was outrageous.But what happened to him was a disgusting spectacle by republicans.
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240 - read this and educate yourself. If you still want to parrot left wing MSNBC talking points, fine.
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Why Palin Quit
Death by a Thousand FOIAs
www.wsj.com
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People close to Sarah Palin say national political reporters and pundits have missed the real reasons for her surprising decision to resign as Alaska governor. The national media have dismissed or downplayed her real motives, which had little to do with any plans to run for president in 2012.
Contrary to most reports, her decision had been in the works for months, accelerating recently as it became clear that controversies and endless ethics investigations were threatening to overshadow her legislative agenda. "Attacks inside Alaska and largely invisible to the national media had paralyzed her administration," someone close to the governor told me. "She was fully aware she would be branded a 'quitter.' She did not want to disappoint her constituents, but she was no longer able to do the job she had been elected to do. Essentially, the taxpayers were paying for Sarah to go to work every day and defend herself."
This situation developed because Alaska's transparency laws allow anyone to file Freedom of Information Act requests. While normally useful, in the hands of political opponents FOIA requests can become a means to bog down a target in a bureaucratic quagmire, thanks to the need to comb through records and respond by a strict timetable. Similarly, ethics investigations are easily triggered and can drag on for months even if the initial complaint is flimsy. Since Ms. Palin returned to Alaska after the 2008 campaign, some 150 FOIA requests have been filed and her office has been targeted for investigation by everyone from the FBI to the Alaska legislature. Most have centered on Ms. Palin's use of government resources, and to date have turned up little save for a few state trips that she agreed to reimburse the state for because her children had accompanied her. In the process, though, she accumulated $500,000 in legal fees in just the last nine months, and knew the bill would grow ever larger in the future.
"The Alaska ethics elves had painted such a target on Sarah's forehead that she had begun turning down pretty much every invitation she got -- even though they were pouring in every day by the dozens," a confidant of the governor's told me. "It is not throwing in the towel. It is deciding that she was ineffective in fighting for her principles and could do more in another role."
Family considerations also played a role. Ms. Palin gave birth to a baby with Down's Syndrome in 2008, and also has a six-year old. Everyone in the family was weary of endless personal attacks, including mean-spirited suggestions on liberal blogs that all of her children should have been aborted and that she would run on a presidential platform promoting retardation.
Governor Palin tried hunkering down. She ignored offers of help from outside and kept media outlets at a distance. "Palin had become so suspicious of the media that she rejected hundreds of requests by even friendly reporters to interview her. Her press aides say that before considering interviews, she insists that they comb through reporters' work, even if they write for a friendly, conservative publication," writes Ron Kessler of NewsMax.com. I can also attest to the difficulty of reaching Governor Palin's staff and getting simple requests answered -- the problem is that such standoffishness can sometimes result in more negative coverage rather than less.
Karl Rove acknowledges the unusual battering Ms. Palin has endured in recent months, but told Fox News that GOP leaders are still puzzled by her decision. "If she wanted to escape the ethics investigations and save the taxpayers money, she's now done that," he said. Unfortunately, he added, her decision "sent a signal that if you do this kind of thing to a sitting governor like her, you can drive her out of office."
But Palin friends say such commentary misses the real point. "The Beltway media can't understand someone not consumed with presidential ambition," one told me. "Maybe Sarah Palin won't run for president and maybe her family situation made it tougher to handle the barrage of attacks that come with that territory. The real issue that should be asked is why a mean-spirited system has to treat people who run like that, instead of why someone may choose not to go through it."
All good points, and they lead me to conclude that Ms. Palin mostly likely will not run for president -- in 2012, at least. She made many mistakes after suddenly being thrust into the national spotlight last year, but hasn't merited the sneering contempt visited upon her by national reporters. She simply was not their kind of feminist -- and they disdained the politically incorrect life choices she had made.
In helping to convince Sarah Palin that her road forward in national politics would demand even more sacrifices and pain than exacted from most politicians, the media did nothing to encourage women or people of modest means to participate in politics. By sidestepping her critics, Sarah Palin is now moving to another playing field where she has more control over the rules of the game. Her friends say her critics may call her a "quitter" now, but they should wait and see what new role she decides to fill. She may wind up having the last laugh.
-- John Fund
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Like I have said to you, read the book and make up your own mind.
Just the facts 333, save the stories.... post the facts... it should all be a matter of public record.
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Why did she walk away from her other jobs? She quit. Plain and simple.
Ok,as long as we agree that Obama is also a quitter.He quit as a community organiser[without helping the community by the way],he quit as state senator and quit as senator.
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"What are you talking about?Obama had the media up his ass to the point they never mentioned him sitting in a racist church for twenty years UNTIL FOX and the right put it out there.The media hasnt done a dam bit of investigating of him and only do it relunctantly after the right brings it out."
I Love it how you can brag about fox being the #1 piece of the media. Then, completely exclude them. They are an anti-Obama network. They're #1 in cable news.
So let me get this straight.ONE media outlet against ALL others combined from CBC,NBC,ABC,the cable stations,all the major newspapers,magazines.Good point.A cable outlet versus all others,very fair point there.
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And I think with the support she has, she could have raised the money to pay for legal issues, if they were really that bad. easily...... especially if the storyline is that the evil dems are breaking her bank. no no no, this is about more. and she needed the time to get what she wants. Serving as gov was in her way. I have a problem with that.
Hugo - she tried that!
She discussed this in the book to and set up a fund and ethics charges were sent in over that too.
Like i said, everything you guys complain about she discussed at length in the book.
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So let me get this straight.ONE media outlet against ALL others combined from CBC,NBC,ABC,the cable stations,all the major newspapers,magazines.Good point.A cable outlet versus all others,very fair point there.
oh yea, Fox is the only rightwing source. It's a leftwing world against a little Fox island.... ::) ahahaha... you guys dominate the airwaves. Not by a little, the right dwarfs the left on air.
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Hugo - like I said, this was discussed in her book.
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Sarah Palin's Legal Fund Faces Ethics Questions
Sarah Palin will take a lot with her when she walks away from the Alaska governor's office next week. Unfortunately for her, it includes a suitcase full of ethics complaints, 19 of them, most filed since she became a candidate for national office and a target for her opponents. Most have been dismissed.
How does one pay the big bucks to defend against such allegations? One forms a Legal Defense Fund. So now we have a new story from the Associated Press that should REALLY gall her.
AP is reporting that a state investigator has determined the instrument that was formed to handle the charges of ethics violations might be an ethics violation itself.
At issue is the Alaska Fund Trust that supporters created to solicit money for Palin. The State Personnel Board says that very process may constitute an improper use of her official position.
Paline spokeswoman Meghan Stapleton said Tuesday, "I cannot verify the validity of this claim. There is no final report. The investigator is still confidentially reviewing this matter. It appears suspect that in the final days of the governor's term, someone would again violate the law and announce a supposed conclusion before it is reached."
The Palin family is not wealthy. Sarah Palin complains she owes more than a half million dollars in legal fees that she simply cannot pay under current circumstances.
She's made no bones about the fact that this barrage of ethics complaints is intolerable, that she can't afford them and shouldn't have to. Certainly, there are much greener pastures out there.
Chances are she's going to be able to make plenty of money. Her problem is she will still be high profile, which means that all those who play the rough game of politics will still be trying to make her life miserable.
Thus far, she has made no comment, which considering how disgusted she is, might be a good thing. "Gosh darn it" just might not suffice.
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This was reported on Huff Post. The lies that have been told about this woman, and parroted by idiots like Straw, Mons, and Lurker are ridiculous.
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333, list the legal details or stfu. I'm not buying it until I see it. I want to see this leftwing conspiracy to bankrupt Palin. It should all be public record.
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333, list the legal details or stfu. I'm not buying it until I see it. I want to see this leftwing conspiracy to bankrupt Palin. It should all be public record.
It is. What more do you want?
They filed all of these bogus charges against her and she was on the hook for the costs. Itr was detailed in her book and I just gave you two articles about it.
What specifically do you want?
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"So let me get this straight.ONE media outlet against ALL others combined from CBC,NBC,ABC,the cable stations,all the major newspapers,magazines.Good point.A cable outlet versus all others,very fair point there."
Yes. it's like McDonalds standing on a pulpit saying all fast food is evil. You can't condemn something (the medai) without including its biggest piece.
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oh yea, Fox is the only rightwing source. It's a leftwing world against a little Fox island.... ::) ahahaha... you guys dominate the airwaves. Not by a little, the right dwarfs the left on air.
What?CBC,NBC,ABC,THE NEW YOR TIMES,THE WASHINGTON POST,THE LA TIMES,ALL THE CABLE NETWORKS OTHER THEN FOX,newsweek,time.Please,which ones do the right have?How about the movie industry,the music industry.The right has right wing talk,which is usually one or two stations[for example in New York its wabc]and the left has ALL the others with even the music stations leaning right.Please give me your list of right wing domination over the air ways and in print.
Even the WALL STREET journal is a left leaning newspaper other then its editorial page.The rest of the paper leans left.
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"So let me get this straight.ONE media outlet against ALL others combined from CBC,NBC,ABC,the cable stations,all the major newspapers,magazines.Good point.A cable outlet versus all others,very fair point there."
Yes. it's like McDonalds standing on a pulpit saying all fast food is evil. You can't condemn something (the medai) without including its biggest piece.
What biggest piece?They are a CABLE outlet.They dominate ON CABLE!!!!Christ the left even has a federally funded network in NPR and public television.
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And I think with the support she has, she could have raised the money to pay for legal issues, if they were really that bad. easily......
You have no idea if this is true or not. It's a throw away line.
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You have no idea if this is true or not. It's a throw away line.
She tried that and got an ethics charge against her for it.
I posted an article about it, but the haters could care less.
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She tried that and got an ethics charge against her for it.
I posted an article about it, but the haters could care less.
I read that.
Hugo's just asking for more and more proof, despite articles in the Wall Street Journal explaining, but is willing to take the leap of faith that she could just easily raise the money through other means.
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What?CBC,NBC,ABC,THE NEW YOR TIMES,THE WASHINGTON POST,THE LA TIMES,ALL THE CABLE NETWORKS OTHER THEN FOX,newsweek,time.Please,which ones do the right have?How about the movie industry,the music industry.The right has right wing talk,which is usually one or two stations[for example in New York its wabc]and the left has ALL the others with even the music stations leaning right.Please give me your list of right wing domination over the air ways and in print.
Even the WALL STREET journal is a left leaning newspaper other then its editorial page.The rest of the paper leans left.
Top 100 Radio Host List, Dominated By Conservatives -- Rush #1
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/warner-todd-huston/2008/02/13/top-100-radio-host-list-dominated-conservatives-rush-1
Right-Wing Radio Monopoly and the Myth of the Liberal Media
http://www.completecampaigns.com/article.asp?articleid=88
The only thing I had an issue with was you acting like Fox was the only thing you have. LOL... not true at all.
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It is. What more do you want?
They filed all of these bogus charges against her and she was on the hook for the costs. Itr was detailed in her book and I just gave you two articles about it.
What specifically do you want?
bullshit, you gave me bullshit... go get the details, not a story.
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You have no idea if this is true or not. It's a throw away line.
bullshit, I have a pretty good idea that should could have raised the money. There's nothing throw away about it.
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what a bunch of whiny bastards. making all these crazy excuses... I knew it lol....
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Top 100 Radio Host List, Dominated By Conservatives -- Rush #1
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/warner-todd-huston/2008/02/13/top-100-radio-host-list-dominated-conservatives-rush-1
Right-Wing Radio Monopoly and the Myth of the Liberal Media
http://www.completecampaigns.com/article.asp?articleid=88
The only thing I had an issue with was you acting like Fox was the only thing you have. LOL... not true at all.
As a 15 year listener to talk radio, Its simple Hugo:
1. RW hosts are usually far more entertaining.
2. Left wingers are usually younger and listen to FM
3. LW hosts usually suck! Their not even good.
4. RW radio appeals more to men, who listen to am radio. Females mostly listen to FM.
5. LW radio canot draw advertisors since the hosts usually bash business 24/7. Who wants to advertise on a show or station where the listener is told how evil businesses are? Kind of stupid dont you think?
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bullshit, I have a pretty good idea that should could have raised the money. There's nothing throw away about it.
With all due respect, I posted a freaking article confirming what i said that she tried to raise the money and got an ethics chasrge filed, and you still stick to your complaint when i proved it to be false?
Come on now.
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I agree that the right dominates right wing talk.However,right wing talk is an incredibly small portion of radio stations.The left dominates EVERY single music station except maybe country,they dominate movies,sitcoms,newspapers etc.Its not close.Yes the right has FOX and talk radio,the left owns EVERYTHING else even when its an incredible failure like MSNBC.
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I agree that the right dominates right wing talk.However,right wing talk is an incredibly small portion of radio stations.The left dominates EVERY single music station except maybe country,they dominate movies,sitcoms,newspapers etc.Its not close.Yes the right has FOX and talk radio,the left owns EVERYTHING else even when its an incredible failure like MSNBC.
LW radio is usually hosts complaining and begging for more govt goodies. Very boring.
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With all due respect, I posted a freaking article confirming what i said that she tried to raise the money and got an ethics chasrge filed, and you still stick to your complaint when i proved it to be false?
Come on now.
you didn't post the info I asked for. You posted a bias article.
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you didn't post the info I asked for. You posted a bias article.
What specifically do you want?
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LW radio is usually hosts complaining and begging for more govt goodies. Very boring.
Not only boring but a monumental failure.If it wasnt for Soros,it would have been off the air for the lack of money and ratings it generates.
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Not only boring but a monumental failure.If it wasnt for Soros,it would have been off the air for the lack of money and ratings it generates.
"Drinking with Bob" got a radio show in NYC and its already a hit.
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oh you poor poor bastards ::)
I have to find the legal findings, since WSJ is not good enough for you.
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it's what I asked for in the first place and specifically asked not to post bias stories.
Ok, but what sources will you accept?
So far almost every ethics complaint has been dismissed. I have to see if Alaska ever published official stuff on that.
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bullshit, I have a pretty good idea that should could have raised the money. There's nothing throw away about it.
Could you please provide some proof that she could of raised the money? I don't want any biased articles, either.
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Could you please provide some proof that she could of raised the money? I don't want any biased articles, either.
::) Proof? So she doesn't have the huge following that people here claim she has? BWHAHAHhahahahhaha.... nice contradiction APE.
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::) Proof? So she doesn't have the huge following that people here claim she has? BWHAHAHhahahahhaha.... nice contradiction APE.
Straw man time (not the poster).
Did I say she didn't have a huge following? The size of the following doesn't matter. It's their supposed willingness to pay her legal bills that does, which you just assumed, but have not proven.
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wait a second, if most of these filings against Palin were dismissed, why would the legal charges be that high?
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wait a second, if most of these filings against Palin were dismissed, why would the legal charges be that high?
Because she is reponsible for the costs to the state and her own legal costs associated with the investigations.
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Straw man time (not the poster).
Did I say she didn't have a huge following? The size of the following doesn't matter. It's their supposed willingness to pay her legal bills that does, which you just assumed, but have not proven.
others here and all over the net and just about all rightwing sources have noted her huge following. I don't care if you said it, many have. The contradiction is added by you, not necessarily with you. no straw man here bubba.
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others here and all over the net and just about all rightwing sources have noted her huge following. I don't care if you said it, many have. The contradiction is added by you, not necessarily with you. no straw man here bubba.
I haven't contradicted anything. I'm just pointing out how you dismiss everything here that supports the argument as biased, but you take it on face value that her supporters would have just paid her bills for her.
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Because she is reponsible for the costs to the state and her own legal costs associated with the investigations.
are you telling me this doesn't happen to other politicians? Are you saying the right has never done this?
The lawsuits against Clinton were insane. He was pretty much broke by the end of his second term and it didn't end there. Larry Klayman had 18 suits against him alone. Some of the charges against him were bogus as all hell. I don't remember his name but several years back there was a wistleblower who belonged to one of these groups going after clinton who came out and said they knew most of the shit they were charging was complete BS.
I still want to see these "lawsuits" I can't find them. No case numbers, nothing. I've read stories, but it's odd to not be able to see these details. WTF?
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I haven't contradicted anything. I'm just pointing out how you dismiss everything here that supports the argument as biased, but you take it on face value that her supporters would have just paid her bills for her.
dumb dumb head, yes you have. In what you're saying, she doesn't have the kind of support that would result in her being able to raise the money. We're talking half a million. If she doesn't have the support to do that, she doesn't have the great backing so many OTHERS have pointed out.
And yes, if the picture is that "evil libs/dems" have sent her into legal bankruptcy... righties would be sending in money. I'm not a fucking moron APE. that's exactly what would happen. But she had other self serving goals in mind.
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hmmm... maybe she actually raised the money and then still quit.... That would be priceless. I wonder if there is a way to find out... open secrets maybe.
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dumb dumb head, yes you have. In what you're saying, she doesn't have the kind of support that would result in her being able to raise the money. We're talking half a million. If she doesn't have the support to do that, she doesn't have the great backing so many OTHERS have pointed out.
And yes, if the picture is that "evil libs/dems" have sent her into legal bankruptcy... righties would be sending in money. I'm not a fucking moron APE. that's exactly what would happen. But she had other self serving goals in mind.
To quote Al Gore and his shakedown of America by perpetrating the global warming hoax so he can get rich."Is there something wrong with making money now"?
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hugo destoryed billy with the examples of right wing radio AND tv dominating.
"The media"'s biggest pieces include Rush, beck and FOX news. Pathetic when they cry "The media is evil, but we're not!"
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To quote Al Gore and his shakedown of America by perpetrating the global warming hoax so he can get rich."Is there something wrong with making money now"?
Did you post in the wrong thread? Nobody here suggested such a notion in the slightest.
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You have to admit, Pailn certainly has a cult following.
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ok, i just found a story that shows she was well on her way to raising the money but the State had an issue with her taking the money raised for legal issues. seems like a problem for and by Alaska. I mean anybody could do this to any politician in Alaska that they didn't like. It looks like the bulk of the fees were from the troopergate issue. You can't blame this all on dems. Looks like most of this was shit that happened in Alaska by Alaskans but this thread seems to want to blame it on dems. If I remember, some of her enemies there were republicans.
rightwingers did do this to Clinton... So I guess someone learned from the best.
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ok, i just found a story that shows she was well on her way to raising the money but the State had an issue with her taking the money raised for legal issues. seems like a problem for and by Alaska. I mean anybody could do this to any politician in Alaska that they didn't like. It looks like the bulk of the fees were from the troopergate issue. You can't blame this all on dems. Looks like most of this was shit that happened in Alaska by Alaskans but this thread seems to want to blame it on dems. If I remember, some of her enemies there were republicans.
rightwingers did do this to Clinton... So I guess someone learned from the best.
Ok, lets do this again Hugo, because obviously you could care less about the facts on this, they were filing FOIL requests and bogus ethics complaints daily resulting in the govs office being able to do nothing but respond to this crap and be personally on the hook.
Her lawyer said that it would get much worse as far as the fees went and this mess completely overwhelmed the staff.
I guess the fact that the reporters were stalking her kdis at school is also irrelevent right?
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Ok, lets do this again Hugo, because obviously you could care less about the facts on this, they were filing FOIL requests and bogus ethics complaints daily resulting in the govs office being able to do nothing but respond to this crap and be personally on the hook.
Her lawyer said that it would get much worse as far as the fees went and this mess completely overwhelmed the staff.
I guess the fact that the reporters were stalking her kdis at school is also irrelevent right?
did you read my post or just reply to my post? I don't think you read it.
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did you read my post or just reply to my post? I don't think you read it.
I did, but the reason you gave was not the only reason. The whole thing was taking a toll on her family and she discussed this with her kids before making the decision.
There were many reasons she gave and you can believe her or not. Were it my family, I probably would have done the same thing based on what she described.
Her kid Piper was stalked at schools by reporters.
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hugo destoryed billy with the examples of right wing radio AND tv dominating.
"The media"'s biggest pieces include Rush, beck and FOX news. Pathetic when they cry "The media is evil, but we're not!"
So again,let me get this straight.In the CT market Rush is on three stations for three hours a day.There are well over 200 stations in that market and the rest of the day they lean so far to the left its sickening INCLUDING all the music stations.Take all the listeners and viewers of Rush,Beck and FOX and compare it to the entire left wing media market including ALL sitcoms,all music channels,all news papers,movies,network news,shows like 60 minutes etc etc.
Please,only simple minded fools think a few right wing radio shows and ONE cable network has an audiance even close to ALL the left wing markets.
Now,to Hugo,your insulting Palin because she went out to make money.Why is that wrong.Why is it ok for Al Gore and not her?I dont get the criticism.She quit to make money,sounds like good old capitolism to me.
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I did, but the reason you gave was not the only reason. The whole thing was taking a toll on her family and she discussed this with her kids before making the decision.
There were many reasons she gave and you can believe her or not. Were it my family, I probably would have done the same thing based on what she described.
Her kid Piper was stalked at schools by reporters.
so what you've just affirmed 100% is that she can't be president. If she couldn't handle this stuff at the state level, why the hell should we believe she could as president? The shit that hits the president legally... wow.... You guys showed how much can be tossed at a president with Clinton. So it was to much for her and her family at the state level and we're supposed to what? Just forget that and let her step up to a much harder game? yea, I think you just answered that for me, thanks....
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so what you've just affirmed 100% is that she can't be president. If she couldn't handle this stuff at the state level, why the hell should we believe she could as president? The shit that hits the president legally... wow.... You guys showed how much can be tossed at a president with Clinton. So it was to much for her and her family at the state level and we're supposed to what? Just forget that and let her step up to a much harder game? yea, I think you just answered that for me, thanks....
Clinton was found to have commited perjury before a civil court and disbarred.
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hugo destoryed billy with the examples of right wing radio AND tv dominating.
"The media"'s biggest pieces include Rush, beck and FOX news. Pathetic when they cry "The media is evil, but we're not!"
Yup. It's no longer speculation. It is now a fact that you are a moron.
You are the same idiot that down played Fox's ratings by pointing out that their audience is only 1% or less than 1% of USA's population.
Of course right wing media/radio/cable has better ratings. They are more entertaining and the only ones that don't drink the kool aid. How dare they not suck Obama's balls like you fools do? Shame on them.
But, having higher ratings doesn't mean that there are more conservative talking heads then liberal spouting idiots. It is a FACT, NOT AN OPINION, that most of the media is liberal. That is a fact. You fools know it, everyone knows it.
But, it's also a fact that Liberals/left leaning cable shows/newspapers/radio shows are boring as hell and rather stupid. That is why they get their little twats handed to them when it comes to ratings and distribution.
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Ok, but what sources will you accept?
So far almost every ethics complaint has been dismissed. I have to see if Alaska ever published official stuff on that.
If you were a lawyer, you would understand that all cases and filings - past and present - could be located with any simple search with a PACER account.
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If you were a lawyer, you would understand that all cases and filings - past and present - could be located with any simple search with a PACER account.
Not if they are Administrative in nature.
Pace is for Bankruptcy and Federal Court Filings.
I am signed up for that and know PACER and have to submit Proof's of Claim for creditors on that thing.
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Clinton was found to have commited perjury before a civil court and disbarred.
Not counting the ton of shit that came down on clinton for everything else, much of it also bullshit. since you again ignored my post, I'll post it again you lousy lawyer:
so what you've just affirmed 100% is that she can't be president. If she couldn't handle this stuff at the state level, why the hell should we believe she could as president? The shit that hits the president legally... wow.... You guys showed how much can be tossed at a president with Clinton. So it was to much for her and her family at the state level and we're supposed to what? Just forget that and let her step up to a much harder game? yea, I think you just answered that for me, thanks....
try giving an actual answer this time. You just said she couldn't take the heat. ahahahaha
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Not counting the ton of shit that came down on clinton for everything else, much of it also bullshit. since you again ignored my post, I'll post it again you lousy lawyer:
so what you've just affirmed 100% is that she can't be president. If she couldn't handle this stuff at the state level, why the hell should we believe she could as president? The shit that hits the president legally... wow.... You guys showed how much can be tossed at a president with Clinton. So it was to much for her and her family at the state level and we're supposed to what? Just forget that and let her step up to a much harder game? yea, I think you just answered that for me, thanks....
try giving an actual answer this time. You just said she couldn't take the heat. ahahahaha
Clinton did so much bad stuff it was hard to keep track. Chinagate, the Marc rish Parson, the FLAN terrorists, etc.
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"So again,let me get this straight.In the CT market Rush is on three stations for three hours a day.There are well over 200 stations in that market and the rest of the day they lean so far to the left its sickening INCLUDING all the music stations"
BILLY,
since music isn't political and shouldn't be included...
what % of LIBERAL radio do you think dominates the airwaves? MORE than right-wing?
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Clinton did so much bad stuff it was hard to keep track. Chinagate, the Marc rish Parson, the FLAN terrorists, etc.
People could say the same for Palin and you're full of shit, some of the stuff against Clinton was admitted to be bullshit. You're an all around radical jackass and easily the most stubborn and annoying person I've ever encountered. Do everyone a favor and take a fucking vacation. At 80+ posts per day on the political for months in a row, and I've done the math, you've earned it. Go away.
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People could say the same for Palin and you're full of shit, some of the stuff against Clinton was admitted to be bullshit. You're an all around radical jackass and easily the most stubborn and annoying person I've ever encountered. Do everyone a favor and take a fucking vacation. At 80+ posts per day on the political for months in a row, and I've done the math, you've earned it. Go away.
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Go easy on him, 33. If you went to battle each day with the think tank of Lurker, Mons and Blacken on your side, you'd lose it pretty easily too.
Hugo's one of my favorite posters, but geez, the personal attacks?
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"So again,let me get this straight.In the CT market Rush is on three stations for three hours a day.There are well over 200 stations in that market and the rest of the day they lean so far to the left its sickening INCLUDING all the music stations"
BILLY,
since music isn't political and shouldn't be included...
what % of LIBERAL radio do you think dominates the airwaves? MORE than right-wing?
Come on,your MUCH smarter then that.Rock stations and ESPECIALLY hip hop stations have LOTS of political talk on it especially during drive times.ALL of it is as left wing as is possible.In fact,ITS FAR MORE influencial then "legit" talking heads.Once again,if you have three stations that carry right wing talk and 199 stations that slant far left,how can anyone suggest that right wing radio is dominant.Its the same argument you use for FOX.ONE cable station vs. EVERY other station on the airways.
Heres my question for you.Who has more influence over politics in this country.John Stewart and Colbert or Beck?Thats what Im talking about.
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Dude it goes like this....
Idiots are extremely polarizing. First off...people go with the "US vs THEM". That shows a sign of wanting to be a part of something and gives a sense of belonging. Now with politics I see it all the time and it makes me want to vomit. Instead of taking each issue in a vaccum. We have some people that say "i have hitched my wagon to this group and where ever they go..i go" which is an idiots moron simple minded approach to life. Like some on the right ::) . Since when did the republican party give a shit about abortions and gays. And since when is that a political issue. Remember in the 1980's and 1990's the picture of a Republican was a 35 year old white man with dark slicked backed hair, a nice suit and a cigar who mainly cared about the bottom line. When did it become the redneck thick skulled hillbilly that dosent care about facts and frowns on being smart with codes like "liberal elite" Its so bad, the chick from fox and friends (that graduated from stanford and oxford) always dumbs herself down and acts like she is just a simpleton that dosent know all the big words the liberals are throwing around. And when its pointed out to conservatives, they turn a blind eye.. dude how isnt that insulting. Is that the base.
Also when did Conservative and Republican become joined at the him. The line is so freaking blurred its retarded. Dude Republican/protestant christian are Practically the same.
And who the fuck agrees with every platform of a group no matter what it is. Dude i dont agree with everything my Parents do.
And Liberals are the same. Dude Obama is in, and thats all well and good.. but he isnt all good like they thought...but he isnt all bad either. Instead of just rolling with everything or condemning everything...give him time. If he makes a bad decision that everyone knows is bad, admit it. 30k more troops...Dude thats a bad move. The Economic Shit..outside of unemployment, seemed to work. The Bail out money was paid back. Now the banks just need to start givin money to small business so they can expand. But the crisis is over. But as dar as the earmarks and the war...I think obama is way off.
I just say that to say this...stop defending what you know is wrong. I have been on getbig a while and i know people are smarter than they put on. Think for yourself. It is no Them or Us. Black and white mean nothing to billionaires.
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Dude it goes like this....
Idiots are extremely polarizing. First off...people go with the "US vs THEM". That shows a sign of wanting to be a part of something and gives a sense of belonging. Now with politics I see it all the time and it makes me want to vomit. Instead of taking each issue in a vaccum. We have some people that say "i have hitched my wagon to this group and where ever they go..i go" which is an idiots moron simple minded approach to life. Like some on the right ::) . Since when did the republican party give a shit about abortions and gays. And since when is that a political issue. Remember in the 1980's and 1990's the picture of a Republican was a 35 year old white man with dark slicked backed hair, a nice suit and a cigar who mainly cared about the bottom line. When did it become the redneck thick skulled hillbilly that dosent care about facts and frowns on being smart with codes like "liberal elite" Its so bad, the chick from fox and friends (that graduated from stanford and oxford) always dumbs herself down and acts like she is just a simpleton that dosent know all the big words the liberals are throwing around. And when its pointed out to conservatives, they turn a blind eye.. dude how isnt that insulting. Is that the base.
Also when did Conservative and Republican become joined at the him. The line is so freaking blurred its retarded. Dude Republican/protestant christian are Practically the same.
And who the fuck agrees with every platform of a group no matter what it is. Dude i dont agree with everything my Parents do.
And Liberals are the same. Dude Obama is in, and thats all well and good.. but he isnt all good like they thought...but he isnt all bad either. Instead of just rolling with everything or condemning everything...give him time. If he makes a bad decision that everyone knows is bad, admit it. 30k more troops...Dude thats a bad move. The Economic Shit..outside of unemployment, seemed to work. The Bail out money was paid back. Now the banks just need to start givin money to small business so they can expand. But the crisis is over. But as dar as the earmarks and the war...I think obama is way off.
I just say that to say this...stop defending what you know is wrong. I have been on getbig a while and i know people are smarter than they put on. Think for yourself. It is no Them or Us. Black and white mean nothing to billionaires.
Your argument might hold more water if you also added that blacks vote democrat at a rate of 95%.Incredibly the vast majority of these blacks are AGAINST abortion for the death penalty and are a very religious group yet they throw aside EVERYTHING they believe and just continue to vote democrat over and over again.
Now,Im a conservative who votes republican 99% of the time.Im not for the government banning abortion nor do I care at all about gay marriage.However,I do care that democrats want to steal my money and give it to filthy scum bags who wont get off their ass and work.Sorry,I will NEVER vote against my best interests.If a party wants to swoop in ,steal my money and liberty,dictate how big my car is,what I can eat,what I can believe or say I wont vote for them.If thats group think then Im guilty.
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Your argument might hold more water if you also added that blacks vote democrat at a rate of 95%.Incredibly the vast majority of these blacks are AGAINST abortion for the death penalty and are a very religious group yet they throw aside EVERYTHING they believe and just continue to vote democrat over and over again.
Now,Im a conservative who votes republican 99% of the time.Im not for the government banning abortion nor do I care at all about gay marriage.However,I do care that democrats want to steal my money and give it to filthy scum bags who wont get off their ass and work.Sorry,I will NEVER vote against my best interests.If a party wants to swoop in ,steal my money and liberty,dictate how big my car is,what I can eat,what I can believe or say I wont vote for them.If thats group think then Im guilty.
Oh i didnt read this ...but i absolutley.. i wasnt bringing race into this...but im talkin about them tii
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Your argument might hold more water if you also added that blacks vote democrat at a rate of 95%.Incredibly the vast majority of these blacks are AGAINST abortion for the death penalty and are a very religious group yet they throw aside EVERYTHING they believe and just continue to vote democrat over and over again.
Now,Im a conservative who votes republican 99% of the time.Im not for the government banning abortion nor do I care at all about gay marriage.However,I do care that democrats want to steal my money and give it to filthy scum bags who wont get off their ass and work.Sorry,I will NEVER vote against my best interests.If a party wants to swoop in ,steal my money and liberty,dictate how big my car is,what I can eat,what I can believe or say I wont vote for them.If thats group think then Im guilty.
ok..i just read this and it completly shut me up...if you are takin the bad with the greater good...then i can buy that...and i agree with that. But you know the people im talkin about...Im at a liberal place so i talk to the Obama supportors that just freaking skew the truth and go and just go with whatever he said..and the "he is better than bush" argument is over..But he was better than what yall put up which was Mccain and Palin.,..that was a joke.
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She quit as governor because the dumb ass piss ant dems kept bringing lawsuits against her[every one defeated time and again by the way].She was going broke.Should someone remain as governor or any job for that matter,only to go broke paying for lawyers?Fighting lies and lawsuits by little limp wristed ####?
I have no problem with her making money.Al Gore has used his position of power,to make up a global warming theory thats been proven a hoax,and used it to scare America and make millions off of it.I find that FAR more bothersome.
Contrary to popular belief Al gore didn't create the internet or make up global warming theories.
Thanks,
Big Markos Chamakh from Lyon france
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She's hot.
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She's hot.
And she makes conservatives tingle.
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And she makes conservatives tingle.
Who among us wouldn't poke her in the anus?
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Who among us wouldn't poke her in the anus?
i would. 8)
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ok..i just read this and it completly shut me up...if you are takin the bad with the greater good...then i can buy that...and i agree with that. But you know the people im talkin about...Im at a liberal place so i talk to the Obama supportors that just freaking skew the truth and go and just go with whatever he said..and the "he is better than bush" argument is over..But he was better than what yall put up which was Mccain and Palin.,..that was a joke.
Well,I voted against Obama for one reason,JOE BIDEN.Sorry,if you want to talk about a joke,there is no other politician in history that is a bigger joke then Biden.On the wrong side of EVERY issue,the most incredible gaff machine in history and a total intellectual lightweight as can be seen in EVERY judicial hearing he was involved in.Sorry,call Palin a joke if you want,but compared to Biden shes another Einstein.
Now,knowing what I do now,Obama has proven to be a man who is hell bent on purposely destroying the country.
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Well,I voted against Obama for one reason,JOE BIDEN.Sorry,if you want to talk about a joke,there is no other politician in history that is a bigger joke then Biden.On the wrong side of EVERY issue,the most incredible gaff machine in history and a total intellectual lightweight as can be seen in EVERY judicial hearing he was involved in.Sorry,call Palin a joke if you want,but compared to Biden shes another Einstein.
Now,knowing what I do now,Obama has proven to be a man who is hell bent on purposely destroying the country.
overkill statement ::)