Author Topic: I don't mean to pile on, but this is bothersome. (Read 5150 times)

Grape Ape · « **Reply #50 on:** December 14, 2009, 08:21:12 AM »

Quote from: Hugo Chavez on December 14, 2009, 07:49:01 AM

bullshit, I have a pretty good idea that should could have raised the money. There's nothing throw away about it.

Could you please provide some proof that she could of raised the money? I don't want any biased articles, either.

Hugo Chavez · « **Reply #51 on:** December 14, 2009, 08:25:42 AM »

Quote from: Grape Ape on December 14, 2009, 08:21:12 AM

Could you please provide some proof that she could of raised the money? I don't want any biased articles, either.

Proof? So she doesn't have the huge following that people here claim she has? BWHAHAHhahahahhaha.... nice contradiction APE.

Grape Ape · « **Reply #52 on:** December 14, 2009, 08:28:52 AM »

Quote from: Hugo Chavez on December 14, 2009, 08:25:42 AM

Proof? So she doesn't have the huge following that people here claim she has? BWHAHAHhahahahhaha.... nice contradiction APE.

Straw man time (not the poster).

Did I say she didn't have a huge following? The size of the following doesn't matter. It's their supposed willingness to pay her legal bills that does, which you just assumed, but have not proven.

Hugo Chavez · « **Reply #53 on:** December 14, 2009, 08:37:01 AM »

wait a second, if most of these filings against Palin were dismissed, why would the legal charges be that high?

Soul Crusher · « **Reply #54 on:** December 14, 2009, 08:39:29 AM »

Quote from: Hugo Chavez on December 14, 2009, 08:37:01 AM

wait a second, if most of these filings against Palin were dismissed, why would the legal charges be that high?

Because she is reponsible for the costs to the state and her own legal costs associated with the investigations.

Hugo Chavez · « **Reply #55 on:** December 14, 2009, 08:39:37 AM »

Quote from: Grape Ape on December 14, 2009, 08:28:52 AM

Straw man time (not the poster).

Did I say she didn't have a huge following? The size of the following doesn't matter. It's their supposed willingness to pay her legal bills that does, which you just assumed, but have not proven.

others here and all over the net and just about all rightwing sources have noted her huge following. I don't care if you said it, many have. The contradiction is added by you, not necessarily with you. no straw man here bubba.

Grape Ape · « **Reply #56 on:** December 14, 2009, 08:45:53 AM »

Quote from: Hugo Chavez on December 14, 2009, 08:39:37 AM

others here and all over the net and just about all rightwing sources have noted her huge following. I don't care if you said it, many have. The contradiction is added by you, not necessarily with you. no straw man here bubba.

I haven't contradicted anything. I'm just pointing out how you dismiss everything here that supports the argument as biased, but you take it on face value that her supporters would have just paid her bills for her.

Hugo Chavez · « **Reply #57 on:** December 14, 2009, 08:51:45 AM »

Quote from: 333386 on December 14, 2009, 08:39:29 AM

Because she is reponsible for the costs to the state and her own legal costs associated with the investigations.

are you telling me this doesn't happen to other politicians? Are you saying the right has never done this?

The lawsuits against Clinton were insane. He was pretty much broke by the end of his second term and it didn't end there. Larry Klayman had 18 suits against him alone. Some of the charges against him were bogus as all hell. I don't remember his name but several years back there was a wistleblower who belonged to one of these groups going after clinton who came out and said they knew most of the shit they were charging was complete BS.

I still want to see these "lawsuits" I can't find them. No case numbers, nothing. I've read stories, but it's odd to not be able to see these details. WTF?

Hugo Chavez · « **Reply #58 on:** December 14, 2009, 08:55:50 AM »

Quote from: Grape Ape on December 14, 2009, 08:45:53 AM

I haven't contradicted anything. I'm just pointing out how you dismiss everything here that supports the argument as biased, but you take it on face value that her supporters would have just paid her bills for her.

dumb dumb head, yes you have. In what you're saying, she doesn't have the kind of support that would result in her being able to raise the money. We're talking half a million. If she doesn't have the support to do that, she doesn't have the great backing so many OTHERS have pointed out.

And yes, if the picture is that "evil libs/dems" have sent her into legal bankruptcy... righties would be sending in money. I'm not a fucking moron APE. that's exactly what would happen. But she had other self serving goals in mind.

Hugo Chavez · « **Reply #59 on:** December 14, 2009, 08:58:31 AM »

hmmm... maybe she actually raised the money and then still quit.... That would be priceless. I wonder if there is a way to find out... open secrets maybe.

BM OUT · « **Reply #60 on:** December 14, 2009, 09:04:10 AM »

Quote from: Hugo Chavez on December 14, 2009, 08:55:50 AM

dumb dumb head, yes you have. In what you're saying, she doesn't have the kind of support that would result in her being able to raise the money. We're talking half a million. If she doesn't have the support to do that, she doesn't have the great backing so many OTHERS have pointed out.

And yes, if the picture is that "evil libs/dems" have sent her into legal bankruptcy... righties would be sending in money. I'm not a fucking moron APE. that's exactly what would happen. But she had other self serving goals in mind.

To quote Al Gore and his shakedown of America by perpetrating the global warming hoax so he can get rich."Is there something wrong with making money now"?

240 is Back · « **Reply #61 on:** December 14, 2009, 09:06:13 AM »

hugo destoryed billy with the examples of right wing radio AND tv dominating.

"The media"'s biggest pieces include Rush, beck and FOX news. Pathetic when they cry "The media is evil, but we're not!"

Hugo Chavez · « **Reply #62 on:** December 14, 2009, 09:06:27 AM »

Quote from: BILLY MIMNAUGH on December 14, 2009, 09:04:10 AM

To quote Al Gore and his shakedown of America by perpetrating the global warming hoax so he can get rich."Is there something wrong with making money now"?

Did you post in the wrong thread? Nobody here suggested such a notion in the slightest.

OzmO · « **Reply #63 on:** December 14, 2009, 09:40:42 AM »

You have to admit, Pailn certainly has a cult following.

Hugo Chavez · « **Reply #64 on:** December 14, 2009, 09:59:46 AM »

ok, i just found a story that shows she was well on her way to raising the money but the State had an issue with her taking the money raised for legal issues. seems like a problem for and by Alaska. I mean anybody could do this to any politician in Alaska that they didn't like. It looks like the bulk of the fees were from the troopergate issue. You can't blame this all on dems. Looks like most of this was shit that happened in Alaska by Alaskans but this thread seems to want to blame it on dems. If I remember, some of her enemies there were republicans.

rightwingers did do this to Clinton... So I guess someone learned from the best.

Soul Crusher · « **Reply #65 on:** December 14, 2009, 10:05:24 AM »

Quote from: Hugo Chavez on December 14, 2009, 09:59:46 AM

ok, i just found a story that shows she was well on her way to raising the money but the State had an issue with her taking the money raised for legal issues. seems like a problem for and by Alaska. I mean anybody could do this to any politician in Alaska that they didn't like. It looks like the bulk of the fees were from the troopergate issue. You can't blame this all on dems. Looks like most of this was shit that happened in Alaska by Alaskans but this thread seems to want to blame it on dems. If I remember, some of her enemies there were republicans.

rightwingers did do this to Clinton... So I guess someone learned from the best.

Ok, lets do this again Hugo, because obviously you could care less about the facts on this, they were filing FOIL requests and bogus ethics complaints daily resulting in the govs office being able to do nothing but respond to this crap and be personally on the hook.

Her lawyer said that it would get much worse as far as the fees went and this mess completely overwhelmed the staff.

I guess the fact that the reporters were stalking her kdis at school is also irrelevent right?

Hugo Chavez · « **Reply #66 on:** December 14, 2009, 10:18:44 AM »

Quote from: 333386 on December 14, 2009, 10:05:24 AM

Ok, lets do this again Hugo, because obviously you could care less about the facts on this, they were filing FOIL requests and bogus ethics complaints daily resulting in the govs office being able to do nothing but respond to this crap and be personally on the hook.

Her lawyer said that it would get much worse as far as the fees went and this mess completely overwhelmed the staff.

I guess the fact that the reporters were stalking her kdis at school is also irrelevent right?

did you read my post or just reply to my post? I don't think you read it.

Soul Crusher · « **Reply #67 on:** December 14, 2009, 10:28:08 AM »

Quote from: Hugo Chavez on December 14, 2009, 10:18:44 AM

did you read my post or just reply to my post? I don't think you read it.

I did, but the reason you gave was not the only reason. The whole thing was taking a toll on her family and she discussed this with her kids before making the decision.

There were many reasons she gave and you can believe her or not. Were it my family, I probably would have done the same thing based on what she described.

Her kid Piper was stalked at schools by reporters.

BM OUT · « **Reply #68 on:** December 14, 2009, 10:29:39 AM »

Quote from: 240 is Back on December 14, 2009, 09:06:13 AM

hugo destoryed billy with the examples of right wing radio AND tv dominating.

"The media"'s biggest pieces include Rush, beck and FOX news. Pathetic when they cry "The media is evil, but we're not!"

So again,let me get this straight.In the CT market Rush is on three stations for three hours a day.There are well over 200 stations in that market and the rest of the day they lean so far to the left its sickening INCLUDING all the music stations.Take all the listeners and viewers of Rush,Beck and FOX and compare it to the entire left wing media market including ALL sitcoms,all music channels,all news papers,movies,network news,shows like 60 minutes etc etc.

Please,only simple minded fools think a few right wing radio shows and ONE cable network has an audiance even close to ALL the left wing markets.

Now,to Hugo,your insulting Palin because she went out to make money.Why is that wrong.Why is it ok for Al Gore and not her?I dont get the criticism.She quit to make money,sounds like good old capitolism to me.

Hugo Chavez · « **Reply #69 on:** December 14, 2009, 10:42:58 AM »

Quote from: 333386 on December 14, 2009, 10:28:08 AM

I did, but the reason you gave was not the only reason. The whole thing was taking a toll on her family and she discussed this with her kids before making the decision.

There were many reasons she gave and you can believe her or not. Were it my family, I probably would have done the same thing based on what she described.

Her kid Piper was stalked at schools by reporters.

so what you've just affirmed 100% is that she can't be president. If she couldn't handle this stuff at the state level, why the hell should we believe she could as president? The shit that hits the president legally... wow.... You guys showed how much can be tossed at a president with Clinton. So it was to much for her and her family at the state level and we're supposed to what? Just forget that and let her step up to a much harder game? yea, I think you just answered that for me, thanks....

Soul Crusher · « **Reply #70 on:** December 14, 2009, 10:45:18 AM »

Quote from: Hugo Chavez on December 14, 2009, 10:42:58 AM

so what you've just affirmed 100% is that she can't be president. If she couldn't handle this stuff at the state level, why the hell should we believe she could as president? The shit that hits the president legally... wow.... You guys showed how much can be tossed at a president with Clinton. So it was to much for her and her family at the state level and we're supposed to what? Just forget that and let her step up to a much harder game? yea, I think you just answered that for me, thanks....

Clinton was found to have commited perjury before a civil court and disbarred.

dario73 · « **Reply #71 on:** December 14, 2009, 10:46:54 AM »

Quote from: 240 is Back on December 14, 2009, 09:06:13 AM

hugo destoryed billy with the examples of right wing radio AND tv dominating.

"The media"'s biggest pieces include Rush, beck and FOX news. Pathetic when they cry "The media is evil, but we're not!"

Yup. It's no longer speculation. It is now a fact that you are a moron.

You are the same idiot that down played Fox's ratings by pointing out that their audience is only 1% or less than 1% of USA's population.

Of course right wing media/radio/cable has better ratings. They are more entertaining and the only ones that don't drink the kool aid. How dare they not suck Obama's balls like you fools do? Shame on them.

But, having higher ratings doesn't mean that there are more conservative talking heads then liberal spouting idiots. It is a FACT, NOT AN OPINION, that most of the media is liberal. That is a fact. You fools know it, everyone knows it.

But, it's also a fact that Liberals/left leaning cable shows/newspapers/radio shows are boring as hell and rather stupid. That is why they get their little twats handed to them when it comes to ratings and distribution.

LurkerNoMore · « **Reply #72 on:** December 14, 2009, 10:49:41 AM »

Quote from: 333386 on December 14, 2009, 08:17:02 AM

Ok, but what sources will you accept?

So far almost every ethics complaint has been dismissed. I have to see if Alaska ever published official stuff on that.

If you were a lawyer, you would understand that all cases and filings - past and present - could be located with any simple search with a PACER account.

Soul Crusher · « **Reply #73 on:** December 14, 2009, 10:52:34 AM »

Quote from: LurkerNoMore on December 14, 2009, 10:49:41 AM

If you were a lawyer, you would understand that all cases and filings - past and present - could be located with any simple search with a PACER account.

Not if they are Administrative in nature.

Pace is for Bankruptcy and Federal Court Filings.

I am signed up for that and know PACER and have to submit Proof's of Claim for creditors on that thing.

Hugo Chavez · « **Reply #74 on:** December 14, 2009, 11:00:53 AM »

Quote from: 333386 on December 14, 2009, 10:45:18 AM

Clinton was found to have commited perjury before a civil court and disbarred.

Not counting the ton of shit that came down on clinton for everything else, much of it also bullshit. since you again ignored my post, I'll post it again you lousy lawyer:

so what you've just affirmed 100% is that she can't be president. If she couldn't handle this stuff at the state level, why the hell should we believe she could as president? The shit that hits the president legally... wow.... You guys showed how much can be tossed at a president with Clinton. So it was to much for her and her family at the state level and we're supposed to what? Just forget that and let her step up to a much harder game? yea, I think you just answered that for me, thanks....

try giving an actual answer this time. You just said she couldn't take the heat. ahahahaha