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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: James Phoenix on December 17, 2009, 04:38:59 AM
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It seems like there was "before Arnold" and after...
I'm not just talking about Arnold's status as an ambassador for the sport; I'm talking about his physique.
He was the first guy to present something that actually holds up to contemporary bodybuilders.
The distance (physique-wise) between him and Reeves is just tremendous.
Definitely ahead of his time.
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No, Sergio was first. The difference between him and Larry Scott determined the birth of modern Bbing. But if you think Arnold could hold his own against contemporary Bbers, I think you're sadly mistaken; put him at his best on a stage and he wouldn't even get his pro-card nowadays. Standards have changed drastically.
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if arnold had today's 'sports nutrition', he'd be gunter schkerkamp.
and, since he would be so marketable, they would change judging criteria so that he won every year.
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No, Sergio was first. The difference between him and Larry Scott determined the birth of modern Bbing. But if you think Arnold could hold his own against contemporary Bbers, I think you're sadly mistaken; put him at his best on a stage and he wouldn't even get his pro-card nowadays. Standards have changed drastically.
Really? I mean, wasn't Sergio mostly just arms? Didn't Arnie beat him almost every time they went head-on?
It just seems like Arnold was far more well-rounded. I could be wrong.
Sure, Arnie wouldn't look as big as contemporary bodybuilders, however, I think that's primarily due to his legs.
He wouldn't look "dwarfed" is what I'm saying; Reeves would look dwarfed. I think Arnold not getting a pro-card to day is hyperbole.
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Really? I mean, wasn't Sergio mostly just arms? Didn't Arnie beat him almost every time they went head-on?
It just seems like Arnold was far more well-rounded. I could be wrong.
Sure, Arnie wouldn't look as big as contemporary bodybuilders, however, I think that's primarily due to his legs.
He wouldn't look "dwarfed" is what I'm saying; Reeves would look dwarfed. I think Arnold not getting a pro-card to day is hyperbole.
no sergio beat arnold at the 69 (xxx) mr olympia. i would say oliva was the first modern bodybuilder.
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Really? I mean, wasn't Sergio mostly just arms? Didn't Arnie beat him almost every time they went head-on?
It just seems like Arnold was far more well-rounded. I could be wrong.
Sure, Arnie wouldn't look as big as contemporary bodybuilders, however, I think that's primarily due to his legs.
He wouldn't look "dwarfed" is what I'm saying; Reeves would look dwarfed. I think Arnold not getting a pro-card to day is hyperbole.
No, Sergio had actually a very good back and better legs than Arnold (except maybe for the '73 Arnold who brought them up). Many think he should have won in '72. He just never achieved great conditioning. Arnold had a good back but not fantastic (look at Robby Robinson for a great back at that time period) also but he was all arms and chest, his delts weren't nearly as good as the rest of his upper front, midSEction was fine but Nubret had him on that most of the time.
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if arnold had today's 'sports nutrition', he'd be gunter schkerkamp.
and, since he would be so marketable, they would change judging criteria so that he won every year.
thats not sports nutrition
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It's egger. You can write it. It's not a dirty word.
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The first of the modern bodybuilders is Dorian Yates.
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Really? I mean, wasn't Sergio mostly just arms? Didn't Arnie beat him almost every time they went head-on?
It just seems like Arnold was far more well-rounded. I could be wrong.
If you go back to where Sergio was standing, Sergio was the best bodybuilder in the world while the Mr.Olympia contest was just a new project (2 year old competition) a "try out" to have an stablished tittle like Mr.America or Mr.Universe.......would it make sense to put up with Joe W. crap to be the poster boy of his products?..when you allready have more crediblity than the tittle itself?
Sergio a 3 times champ lost to Arnold fairly in 70' then was disrespected in 71 and 72 forced to walk away from Weider's IFBB while Arnold a one time winner (70) became everything the IFBB had to offer.
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If you go back to where Sergio was standing, Sergio was the best bodybuilder in the world while the Mr.Olympia contest was just a new project (2 year old competition) a "try out" to have an stablished tittle like Mr.America or Mr.Universe.......would it make sense to put up with Joe W. crap to be the poster boy of his products?..when you allready have more crediblity than the tittle itself?
Sergio a 3 times champ lost to Arnold fairly in 70' then was disrespected in 71 and 72 forced to walk away from Weider's IFBB while Arnold a one time winner (70) became everything the IFBB had to offer.
QFT.
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if arnold had today's 'sports nutrition', he'd be gunter schkerkamp.
and, since he would be so marketable, they would change judging criteria so that he won every year.
I alawys said that. Aenold had a wide waist...he even stated that. Gunter had a wide waist as well. I had ve to say it was equally Sergio, Arnold, and Nubret that ushered in "modern bodybuilding"
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What difference does it make to be considered the first "modern" bodybuilder anyway?
How do you define modern?
Haney was more modern than Arnold, Dorian was more modern than Haney, and Ronnie was more modern than Dorian. Different eras, but it's still bodybuilding.
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I alawys said that. Aenold had a wide waist...he even stated that. Gunter had a wide waist as well. I had ve to say it was equally Sergio, Arnold, and Nubret that ushered in "modern bodybuilding"
Little tipsy tonight eh?
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Arnold in 1974 wouldnt get a pro-card ??? hahahha your fuckin stoopid....
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Little tipsy tonight eh?
Huh...
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I'm gonna put this to rest by saying Arnold had the GREATEST physique ever. You don't get the IFBB Gold Order as being the BEST bodybuilder of the 20th century for nothing. :)
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Huh...
Your penmanship is usually outstanding. And the 'I alaways saidzzat!!" I got a little JD vibe off ya. ;D
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Your penmanship is usually outstanding. And the 'I alaways saidzzat!!" I got a little JD vibe off ya. ;D
Oh, actually I'm typing with no contacts/glasses. My face is like 2 inches from the screen.
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where would prime arnie place in the 2009 mr o??
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ahnold was one of the first and most succesful ... old gay men's bitch.
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Arnold in 1974 wouldnt get a pro-card ??? hahahha your fuckin stoopid....
See how skinny he was. :-X
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=310920.0;attach=351344;image)
Are you saying he makes the guy from Twilight look like Conan the barbarian?
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thats james phoenix.
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I think Larry Scott was the first bodybuilder with "modern" amounts of unnatural muscle mass. He was the first Dianabol built champion.
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Freddy Ortiz was the second dianabol man.
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Sergio wasn't too freaky at first.
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Big Al is right in saying Scott was the first modern type in terms of muscle mass.
I view Schwarzenegger as the first modern bodybuilder in that he was willing to pop as much of every pill and potion going as he could/had to to get on top of the competition.
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isn't james phoenix dead of a drug overdose, or was that his brother?
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Lol.
"Rumors of my demise have been greatly exaggerated".
It's interesting to see the difference in physiques altered by d-bol.
Whatever guys were using before (if anything) must have been much less potent.
I guess d-bol is the literal modern body-builder.
Otherwise it seems like most people think Sergio edges out Arnold.
I don't agree. Based on this pic, Sergio looks disproportionate and undefined. Modern? Perhaps.
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See how skinny he was. :-X
6 foot 240 pounds hahaha yeah thats small by todays standards
yeah fucking right
let the (warranted) arnie worshipping begin
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This is still an incredible pic in the era of Dorian, Jay, and Ronnie:
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This is still an incredible pic in the era of Dorian, Jay, and Ronnie:
still cant beat this.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=310920.0;attach=351344;image)
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still cant beat this.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=310920.0;attach=351344;image)
My cross-dressing pic can!
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who the fuck is that gearbox?
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Lol.
"Rumors of my demise have been greatly exaggerated".
It's interesting to see the difference in physiques altered by d-bol.
Whatever guys were using before (if anything) must have been much less potent.
I guess d-bol is the literal modern body-builder.
Otherwise it seems like most people think Sergio edges out Arnold.
I don't agree. Based on this pic, Sergio looks disproportionate and undefined. Modern? Perhaps.
Actually on that pic, you can clearly see that Sergio is wider though smaller, taper is slightlymore pronounced, his triceps are better than Arnold'sas his forearms, Arnold has him on biceps definition but Sergio has the peak (though I think that's just that particaular picture as Arnold had a great biceps peak), SSergio's thighs are fuller, rounder bellies tight there, calves are Arnold's. Do the math.
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Actually on that pic, you can clearly see that Sergio is wider though smaller, taper is slightlymore pronounced, his triceps are better than Arnold'sas his forearms, Arnold has him on biceps definition but Sergio has the peak (though I think that's just that particaular picture as Arnold had a great biceps peak), SSergio's thighs are fuller, rounder bellies tight there, calves are Arnold's. Do the math.
He (Sergio) is also smaller and less imposing, lacks definition, and despite having a greater taper at the waste, looks 'thrown together' overall.
He's a collection of parts like Ronnie Coleman. There's no flow to his physique at all.
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freddy ortiz had a really cool physique although he hardly trained legs ;D
freddy loved doing dips...he had great arms..specially triceps
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Who is this savage beat Meso_z?
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if arnold had today's 'sports nutrition', he'd be gunter schkerkamp.
and, since he would be so marketable, they would change judging criteria so that he won every year.
That's complete and utter bullshit. COMPLETELY DIFFERENT STRUCTURE and muscle bellies. Such an ignorant comment to make. Arnold was one of the greatest of all time. Gunter was not in Arnold's league and no, I am not an Arnold fanboy.
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isn't james phoenix dead of a drug overdose, or was that his brother?
Shhhhhhhhh, I hear he recovered from the massive blood loss after he slit his wrists and cut through a major artery. You don't want him to cut himself again, do you? ;D
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6 foot 240 pounds hahaha yeah thats small by todays standards
yeah fucking right
let the (warranted) arnie worshipping begin
6'1" and if he had legs he would have been 260 pounds in competition and 280 pounds offseason.
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6 foot 240 pounds hahaha yeah thats small by todays standards
yeah fucking right
let the (warranted) arnie worshipping begin
Might be but stop looking at some numbers. ::)
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