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There'll be nowhere to run from the new world government
'Global' thinking won't necessarily solve the world's problems, says Janet Daley
By Janet Daley
Published: 7:24PM GMT 19 Dec 2009
(http://i.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01546/Ancona_1546759c.jpg)
The committee to save the world: Barack Obama, Nicolas Sarkozy, Angela Merkel, Gordon Brown and other leaders at the Copenhagen climate talks Photo: AFP/GETTY
There is scope for debate – and innumerable newspaper quizzes – about who was the most influential public figure of the year, or which the most significant event. But there can be little doubt which word won the prize for most important adjective. 2009 was the year in which "global" swept the rest of the political lexicon into obscurity. There were "global crises" and "global challenges", the only possible resolution to which lay in "global solutions" necessitating "global agreements". Gordon Brown actually suggested something called a "global alliance" in response to climate change. (Would this be an alliance against the Axis of Extra-Terrestrials?)
Some of this was sheer hokum: when uttered by Gordon Brown, the word "global", as in "global economic crisis", meant: "It's not my fault". To the extent that the word had intelligible meaning, it also had political ramifications that were scarcely examined by those who bandied it about with such ponderous self-importance. The mere utterance of it was assumed to sweep away any consideration of what was once assumed to be the most basic principle of modern democracy: that elected national governments are responsible to their own people – that the right to govern derives from the consent of the electorate.
The dangerous idea that the democratic accountability of national governments should simply be dispensed with in favour of "global agreements" reached after closed negotiations between world leaders never, so far as I recall, entered into the arena of public discussion. Except in the United States, where it became a very contentious talking point, the US still holding firmly to the 18th-century idea that power should lie with the will of the people.
Nor was much consideration given to the logical conclusion of all this grandiose talk of global consensus as unquestionably desirable: if there was no popular choice about approving supranational "legally binding agreements", what would happen to dissenters who did not accept their premises (on climate change, for example) when there was no possibility of fleeing to another country in protest? Was this to be regarded as the emergence of world government? And would it have powers of policing and enforcement that would supersede the authority of elected national governments? In effect, this was the infamous "democratic deficit" of the European Union elevated on to a planetary scale. And if the EU model is anything to go by, then the agencies of global authority will involve vast tracts of power being handed to unelected officials. Forget the relatively petty irritations of Euro‑bureaucracy: welcome to the era of Earth-bureaucracy, when there will be literally nowhere to run.
But, you may say, however dire the political consequences, surely there is something in this obsession with global dilemmas. Economics is now based on a world market, and if the planet really is facing some sort of man-made climate crisis, then that too is a problem that transcends national boundaries. Surely, if our problems are universal the solutions must be as well.
Well, yes and no. Calling a problem "global" is meant to imply three different things: that it is the result of the actions of people in different countries; that those actions have impacted on the lives of everyone in the world; and that the remedy must involve pretty much identical responses or correctives to those actions. These are separate premises, any of which might be true without the rest of them necessarily being so. The banking crisis certainly had its roots in the international nature of finance, but the way it affected countries and peoples varied considerably according to the differences in their internal arrangements. Britain suffered particularly badly because of its addiction to public and private debt, whereas Australia escaped relatively unscathed.
That a problem is international in its roots does not necessarily imply that the solution must involve the hammering out of a uniform global prescription: in fact, given the differences in effects and consequences for individual countries, the attempt to do such hammering might be a huge waste of time and resources that could be put to better use devising national remedies. France and Germany seem to have pulled themselves out of recession over the past year (and the US may be about to do so) while Britain has not. These variations owe almost nothing to the pompous, overblown attempts to find global solutions: they are largely to do with individual countries, under the pressure of democratic accountability, doing what they decide is best for their own people.
This is not what Mr Brown calls "narrow self-interest", or "beggar my neighbour" ruthlessness. It is the proper business of elected national leaders to make judgments that are appropriate for the conditions of their own populations. It is also right that heads of nations refuse to sign up to "legally binding" global agreements which would disadvantage their own people. The resistance of the developing nations to a climate change pact that would deny them the kind of economic growth and mass prosperity to which advanced countries have become accustomed is not mindless selfishness: it is proper regard for the welfare of their own citizens.
The word "global" has taken on sacred connotations. Any action taken in its name must be inherently virtuous, whereas the decisions of individual countries are necessarily "narrow" and self-serving. (Never mind that a "global agreement" will almost certainly be disproportionately influenced by the most powerful nations.) Nor is our era so utterly unlike previous ones, for all its technological sophistication. We have always needed multilateral agreements, whether about trade, organised crime, border controls, or mutual defence.
If the impact of our behaviour on humanity at large is much greater or more rapid than ever before then we shall have to find ways of dealing with that which do not involve sacrificing the most enlightened form of government ever devised. There is a whiff of totalitarianism about this new theology, in which the risks are described in such cosmic terms that everything else must give way. "Globalism" is another form of the internationalism that has been a core belief of the Left: a commitment to class rather than country seemed an admirable antidote to the "blood and soil" nationalism that gave rise to fascism.
The nation-state has never quite recovered from the bad name it acquired in the last century as the progenitor of world war. But if it is to be relegated to the dustbin of history then we had better come up with new mechanisms for allowing people to have a say in how they are governed. Maybe that could be next year's global challenge.
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Samnson: Ozmo and others think this is all crazy CT talk.
Its not!
Its quickly underway and the Hope & Changers refuse to accept reality of what is occuring.
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33,
Please list the conspiracy theories which you believe to be true.
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33,
Please list the conspiracy theories which you believe to be true.
This is not a CT since they are telling you that its true. Look at my thread about Gordon Brown calling for a global police force for green issues.
Its no longer a CT.
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Samnson: Ozmo and others think this is all crazy CT talk.
Its not!
Its quickly underway and the Hope & Changers refuse to accept reality of what is occuring.
Sorry, still snickering over how we were supposed to lose out sovereignty in early December.
Please define the resulting "One World Government" as you fear it's going to happen. And I will start taking a serious look at it.
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Sorry, still snickering over how we were supposed to lose out sovereignty in early December.
Please define the resulting "One World Government" as you fear it's going to happen. And I will start taking a serious look at it.
This is where you need to open your eyes Ozmo. You wont allow yourself to consider the ways this will occur unless it fits in with your pre-conceived notions.
This is going to be a process, not an event. People like yourself are expecting a summit where 10 leaders will be on a stage and make an affirmative announcement of their true intentions. Do you really think these NWO types are that dumb? They know mass riots and CW will occur. Instead, they do is under the guise of "green movement", "global initiaves", "global criminal courts", etc.
We are not going to have a 9/11 style video for tv for this, its done by slight of hand. And btw, the only reason why nothing happened at Dopenhagen was because the Chinese are afraid they would be able to get paid what we owe them if we sign on to some traitorous treaty like obama, Brown and the others wanted.
This is the frog in the ever heating water situation. Why do something rash and cause a huge outrage, when obama and the other NWO types know there are people like yourself who will accept anything so long as it is packaged correctly? They will get you to accept their entire agenda voluntarily and you wont even realize it since your mind is closed to what is occuring right now.
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This is where you need to open your eyes Ozmo. You wont allow yourself to consider the ways this will occur unless it fits in with your pre-conceived notions.
This is going to be a process, not an event. People like yourself are expecting a summit where 10 leaders will be on a stage and make an affirmative announcement of their true intentions. Do you really think these NWO types are that dumb? They know mass riots and CW will occur. Instead, they do is under the guise of "green movement", "global initiaves", "global criminal courts", etc.
We are not going to have a 9/11 style video for tv for this, its done by slight of hand. And btw, the only reason why nothing happened at Dopenhagen was because the Chinese are afraid they would be able to get paid what we owe them if we sign on to some traitorous treaty like obama, Brown and the others wanted.
This is the frog in the ever heating water situation. Why do something rash and cause a huge outrage, when obama and the other NWO types know there are people like yourself who will accept anything so long as it is packaged correctly? They will get you to accept their entire agenda voluntarily and you wont even realize it since your mind is closed to what is occuring right now.
What you wrote there sounds just like a fear based CT.
Just list it out (facts, new decisions agreements, etc...) and what the ultimate conclusion will be and how it will look and affect us. I promise i will look at with an open mind.
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Samnson: Ozmo and others think this is all crazy CT talk.
Its not!
Its quickly underway and the Hope & Changers refuse to accept reality of what is occuring.
333: Ozmo and the others are RETARDS. I wish i could see their faces when all of this shi* suddenly comes into being and they are caught out there wondering what to do, but more importantly saying to themselves "you know I was warned of this stuff and I did not believe.... what am I gonna do now". I would just love to see that moment on their faces.
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333: Ozmo and the others are RETARDS. I wish i could see their faces when all of this shi* suddenly comes into being and they are caught out there wondering what to do, but more importantly saying to themselves "you know I was warned of this stuff and I did not believe.... what am I gonna do now". I would just love to see that moment on their faces.
Like when we ceded sovereignty? ::)
Interesting how a basement dwelling moonbot is calling other people retards.
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This is where you need to open your eyes Ozmo. You wont allow yourself to consider the ways this will occur unless it fits in with your pre-conceived notions.
This is going to be a process, not an event. People like yourself are expecting a summit where 10 leaders will be on a stage and make an affirmative announcement of their true intentions. Do you really think these NWO types are that dumb? They know mass riots and CW will occur. Instead, they do is under the guise of "green movement", "global initiaves", "global criminal courts", etc.
We are not going to have a 9/11 style video for tv for this, its done by slight of hand. And btw, the only reason why nothing happened at Dopenhagen was because the Chinese are afraid they would be able to get paid what we owe them if we sign on to some traitorous treaty like obama, Brown and the others wanted.
This is the frog in the ever heating water situation. Why do something rash and cause a huge outrage, when obama and the other NWO types know there are people like yourself who will accept anything so long as it is packaged correctly? They will get you to accept their entire agenda voluntarily and you wont even realize it since your mind is closed to what is occuring right now.
###: Ozmo only has one eye just like his avatar and that one eye is clouded with stupidity, so he CAN NOT open his eyes to reality. Some people learn by being taught, some learn by experience...others must suffer repercussions of their disbelief to learn....sad
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333: Ozmo and the others are RETARDS. I wish i could see their faces when all of this shi* suddenly comes into being and they are caught out there wondering what to do, but more importantly saying to themselves "you know I was warned of this stuff and I did not believe.... what am I gonna do now". I would just love to see that moment on their faces.
Samson - its not going to be one day, or one week, its a slow tyranny that is creeping.
People are expecting some made for TV moment and dont realize that while they suck down beers and watch the NFL on the weekend, major things are afoot that are completely blind to.
Its incemental crap like "green police", or "Global Carbon Emissions Agreements" or crap like Pelosi was pushing "Global financial transaction tax" or "international criminal court" and crap like that.
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Like when we ceded sovereignty? ::)
Interesting how a basement dwelling moonbot is calling other people retards.
Is the basement somehow worst than the padded cell and wrap around jacket you wear? How do you manage to use a keyboard or computer in that environment?
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Is the basement somehow worst than the padded cell and wrap around jacket you wear? How do you manage to use a keyboard or computer in that environment?
You mean the same wrap around jacket that won't allow to see the moon landing hoax? Or the Queen's soverienty over the USA? ::)
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You mean the same wrap around jacket that won't allow to see the moon landing hoax? Or the Queen's soverienty over the USA? ::)
HAHAAHAHAAH (laughing at you Dijjal)... you better read your response again. you just admited the moon landing was a hoax and the queen has sovereignty over america.
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"Just list it out (facts, new decisions agreements, etc...) and what the ultimate conclusion will be and how it will look and affect us. I promise i will look at with an open mind."
I would like to hear this as well, 333386.
A list of tangible things that will happen. Not the alex jones screaming - but a list of events, decisions, effects, etc.
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Funny how instead of listing out how it's going to happen or providing ONE fact, 333 and Samson have resorted to tag teaming each other and giving high fives out. Stop skirting around the topic. You moonbots always claim to be in the know yet can never produce when asked to.
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Funny how instead of listing out how it's going to happen or providing ONE fact, 333 and Samson have resorted to tag teaming each other and giving high fives out. Stop skirting around the topic. You moonbots always claim to be in the know yet can never produce when asked to.
How is it happening?
1. Pelosi introduces global financial tax.
2. Brown calling for global "green police"
3. But for the chinese screaming - we almost had a binding intl agreement on bogus emissions etc.
4. Intl crinimal court.
5. "Global" financal regulations.
Etc etc.
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How will any of this change lives of regular americans?
I mean, I was the biggest CTer out there from 2005 til 2007, you guys all know that.
Then one day, I realized that despite all the worry and stressing, nothing really changed in the world. Sure, I invested a little wiser and I have enough peanut butter and ammo for a rainy day... but aside from that, checking prison planet every day for martial law or iran attack... stressing stuff like that... it ended up being a waste of time for me.
I'm far more worried about the 4 kids who home invaded in my city 2 nights ago then shot it out with cops... I'm far more worried about the d-bag who threw white powder at a crowd at the walmart in my town the next morning.
I honestly don't worry about that global shit because hell, if it's real, won't no amount of bitching on message boards stop it. If it's true, it's a ballgame played well above our heads anyway.
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"Just list it out (facts, new decisions agreements, etc...) and what the ultimate conclusion will be and how it will look and affect us. I promise i will look at with an open mind."
I would like to hear this as well, 333386.
A list of tangible things that will happen. Not the alex jones screaming - but a list of events, decisions, effects, etc.
Even if listed in explicit detail with times and dates you would still deny it, so why bother. You're right in the midst of CLIMATEGATE and you still believe nothing will come of it
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Revelations 13:15-17:
15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
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My arsenal and I are running to 33's to join up with him and his arsenal. After that, running time will be over...and ass-kicking time will begin. ;D
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Revelations 13:15-17:
15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
99 percent of those on this board don't even understand what this passage means..but nice that you posted it in order to add to the credibility of what is coming into the world.
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Like when we ceded sovereignty? ::)
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=310340.msg4423310#msg4423310
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Samson, quick question. Was your thread title a freudian slip, or a subliminal command? :P
Which side are you on? ;)
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Well basically all Samson can do is Ad Hom style attacks because he doesn't have the goods to man up and back up his assertions. No surprise here.
In the mean time 333333, WE ARE ALL STILL WAITING FOR SOMETHING CONCRETE.
Did everything you list already pass?
Is there a global green police?
Is there a global tax?
Is this it? Is this all you have?
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Well basically all Samson can do is Ad Hom style attacks because he doesn't have the goods to man up and back up his assertions. No surprise here.
In the mean time 333333, WE ARE ALL STILL WAITING FOR SOMETHING CONCRETE.
Did everything you list already pass?
Is there a global green police?
Is there a global tax?
Is this it? Is this all you have?
Incoming Samson attack while avoiding the topic.
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My arsenal and I are running to 33's to join up with him and his arsenal. After that, running time will be over...and ass-kicking time will begin. ;D
New One World Order Ass Kicking organization? ;D
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Well basically all Samson can do is Ad Hom style attacks because he doesn't have the goods to man up and back up his assertions. No surprise here.
In the mean time 333333, WE ARE ALL STILL WAITING FOR SOMETHING CONCRETE.
Did everything you list already pass?
Is there a global green police?
Is there a global tax?
Is this it? Is this all you have?
not sure why you take it so lightly. The green police as you call them is a primary stated goal. The global tax is a primary stated goal. It's wide in the open. You have no issue with taxation without represenation? You have no issue handing over authorities that would have been made by our elected officials to a global governing body? I'm starting to laugh more at you than I ever did Samson. Your attitude of "wait until it happens" before being concerned is absolutely disgusting. especially when they've been standing up in front of the world openly pushing for these things. You don't need to wait for it to be a done deal to bitch about it, especially when they're openly pushing for it. It's not a fucking conspiracy, it's fact. wait until it's done and established, it's usually to late.
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Samson, quick question. Was your thread title a freudian slip, or a subliminal command? :P
Which side are you on? ;)
More of a subliminal command to those who do not understand. I was/am hoping it was enough punch in my comment to make those who don't know, inquire about what that part of Revelation means. For those who do know, that passage only confirms, as predicted thousands of years ago, what will come...and it is unfolding right in front of our eyes.
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lol, stop talking to yourself.
You're in the group of 'FAIL TO UNDERSTAND'. Don't fret...you have plenty of company.
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not sure why you take it so lightly. The green police as you call them is a primary stated goal. The global tax is a primary stated goal. It's wide in the open. You have no issue with taxation without represenation? You have no issue handing over authorities that would have been made by our elected officials to a global governing body? I'm starting to laugh more at you than I ever did Samson. Your attitude of "wait until it happens" before being concerned is absolutely disgusting. especially when they've been standing up in front of the world openly pushing for these things. You don't need to wait for it to be a done deal to bitch about it, especially when they're openly pushing for it. It's not a fucking conspiracy, it's fact. wait until it's done and established, it's usually to late.
Exactly. I have posted numerous articles where these PUBLIC OFFICIALS are openly pushing globalist policies and ozmo and BF think thats not enough to show where we are heading?
Will they not be satisfied until they have to send their tax return to the UN?
GMAFB! If they are so blind as to not see what is occuring, nothing will convince them.
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You're in the group of 'FAIL TO UNDERSTAND'. Don't fret...you have plenty of company.
understand what? Tell me what I don't understand exactly.
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not sure why you take it so lightly. The green police as you call them is a primary stated goal. The global tax is a primary stated goal. It's wide in the open. You have no issue with taxation without represenation? You have no issue handing over authorities that would have been made by our elected officials to a global governing body? I'm starting to laugh more at you than I ever did Samson. Your attitude of "wait until it happens" before being concerned is absolutely disgusting. especially when they've been standing up in front of the world openly pushing for these things. You don't need to wait for it to be a done deal to bitch about it, especially when they're openly pushing for it. It's not a fucking conspiracy, it's fact. wait until it's done and established, it's usually to late.
But has it happened yet?
What factual? That some politicians are pushing this?
It would be one thing to say this is were things are heading because "these" things have happened. But these things haven't even happened. You have people in high places trying to push their agenda. That's a given. Who are "they"? Liberal nutbags like pelosi?
Have we been taxed without representation? Are we going to be taxed without representation? Or is some politician (Nutbag Reid, Frank, etc.) calling for it?
Can a public official obligate US citizen's to pay taxes without the approval of congress?
In essence, it seems to me you are taking something that hasn't happened, may or may not happen, and saying that is the first step in a long list of steps that would lead to OWG. Doesn't seem like much of a case.
I'm not trying to mock some CT here guys, so don't get all butt hurt. I just don't see anything concrete yet. Can you show me something that has happened?
Oh, and just so we are on the same page. What would a OWG look like that you are afraid all this is leading to?
PS: Again, I'm just asking serious questions here, not trying to "mock" anyone. So need for ridicule FFS.
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But has it happened yet?
It would be one thing to say this is were things are heading because "these" things have happened. But these things haven't even happened. You have people in high places trying to push their agenda. That's a given. Who are "they"? Liberal nutbags like pelosi?
Have we been taxed without representation? Are we going to be taxed without representation? Or is some politician (Nutbag Reid, Frank, etc.) calling for it?
Can a public official obligate US citizen's to pay taxes without the approval of congress?
In essence, it seems to me you are taking something that hasn't happened, may or may not happen, and saying that is the first step in a long list of steps that would lead to OWG. Doesn't seem like much of a case.
I'm not trying to mock some CT here guys, so don't get all butt hurt. I just don't see anything concrete yet. Can you show me something that has happened?
The only one you are mocking is yourself by being so blind to reality, common sense, and evidence that is right in your face.
You are the type of guy that will deny your gf is cheating on you unless you actually see her in bed with the guy, even though there are texts, emails, inconsistent stories, she is no longer putting out, etc.
And then, when you do accuse her and she denies it, you buy the phony story that its just a friend and nothing happened.
Wake the hell up Ozmo. Serious, its embarassing the lengths you go to deny reality. For fucks sake, Brown is calling for global green police and you still want to call it a CT?
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The only one you are mocking is yourself by being so blind to reality, common sense, and evidence that is right in your face.
You are the type of guy that will deny your gf is cheating on you unless you actually see her in bed with the guy, even though there are texts, emails, inconsistent stories, she is no longer putting out, etc.
And then, when you do accuse her and she denies it, you buy the phony story that its just a friend and nothing happened.
Wake the hell up Ozmo. Serious, its embarassing the lengths you go to deny reality. For fucks sake, Brown is calling for global green police and you still want to call it a CT?
See there ya go, ridiculing. You posted a short list of things people are trying to do. That's it.
I didn't think your argument for this was so weak that you'd have to resort to ridicule to make your point like the moonboy.
Is that it? You can't even debate the points i made or expand on your claims?
Is this the long and short of it? That's all you have?
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But has it happened yet?
LOL, first line was priceless....
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See there ya go, ridiculing. You posted a short list of things people are trying to do. That's it.
I didn't think your argument for this was so weak that you'd have to resort to ridicule to make your point like the moonboy.
Is that it? Is this the long and short of it? That's all you have?
Thats what we know of and that they are pushing thats in our face. Can you imagine what is being done in private behind the scense?
They put out these things as trial balloons to test the public response. If they can get away with it, they push it even more, and even more, and even more, etc.
Just ask yourself - do any of these public officials push for more state soverignty? More freedom, less taxes and regulations, etc?
I didnt mean to attack you, its just that the things these people are pushing should never be left to chance or a wait and see attitude. They need to be stomped down immediately at the first hint of this crap.
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LOL, first line was priceless....
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If that's the best you can do, you guys are pathetic.
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Thats what we know of and that they are pushing thats in our face. Can you imagine what is being done in private behind the scense?
They put out these things as trial balloons to test the public response. If they can get away with it, they push it even more, and even more, and even more, etc.
Just ask yourself - do any of these public officials push for more state soverignty? More freedom, less taxes and regulations, etc?
I didnt mean to attack you, its just that the things these people are pushing should never be left to chance or a wait and see attitude. They need to be stomped down immediately at the first hint of this crap.
Who's pushing "these" things and how is the public responding?
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If that's the best you can do, you guys are pathetic.
dumb dumb head, Obama was pushing for this too........... ;)
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Who's pushing "these" things and how is the public responding?
Forget it. No matter how much I provide it will never be enoughfor you.
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oh yea, silence is golden, that hit the mark, no response expected from that lol...
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Forget it. No matter how much I provide it will never be enoughfor you.
wait, I want to see how he justifies the fact that Obama is for this stuff....
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Ok, so I've asked and this is what I've gotten..... And short vague list and ridicule.
Thanks guys.
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One way to have the masses accept whatever future you throw at them is to paint one that is twice as bleak as the half-bleak one they're about to get. If I threaten over and over again to murder you, and instead I only break your arm... what a relief!
As long as AJ and others keep screaming "Martial Law!", and the "jack-booted thugs" never actually show up on the streets... then everyone can relax, right? We can't be under authoritarianism, because it doesn't look like the picture we've been painting in our minds.
It's the same as the Big Brother ploy - keep everyone the lookout for that one big dictator, and as long as those Saddam-sized posters never appear, there must not be any dictator. Instead, it's dictatorship by committee. Much, much better.
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Ok, so I've asked and this is what I've gotten..... And short list and ridicule.
Thanks guys.
I gave you stuff from the last month alone!
How far back do you want me to go?
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Amen. People are really childish enough to believe that Obama and the others are going to be on a podium and announce the fact that we are now all under a new world govt on CNN at 8 pm.
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I gave you stuff from the last month alone!
How far back do you want me to go?
Is there anyway you can just address the points i made with what you did list and provide more or what you say you have?
Obama and co., is a given in my mind, that now pelosi has a voice and a platform. Are the American people going for this? Would they? Can they obligate the USA without congressional approval. Wasn't Dopenhegan a failure?
I realize you have been neck deep in this for a while. I haven't. But i did promise I'd take serious look at it. Can you cut me some slack when i ask questions on the stuff you did post?
Com on guys, I'm really trying to see what you and hugo are worried about without digressing into some ridicule war.
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Ok, so I've asked and this is what I've gotten..... And short vague list and ridicule.
Thanks guys.
nice cop out lol... So the leader of the free world, President of the United States, openly pushes this shit and you're like telling us we've got nothing... Way LOL ahahahaha... You're a real fucking hack huh? I never really had you made out for it, but well here you are....
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Just stop posting. It's for the best...........
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nice cop out lol... So the leader of the free world, President of the United States, openly pushes this shit and you're like telling us we've got nothing... Way LOL ahahahaha... You're a real fucking hack huh? I never really had you made out for it, but well here you are....
Not up to it, huh Hugo?
Ask some questions and the best you can do is cop a ridicule like attitude.
Nice job ass hole.
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Not up to it, huh Hugo?
Ask some questions and the best you can do is cop a ridicule like attitude.
Nice job ass hole.
answer my fucking questions you cock sucking magot.
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answer my fucking questions you cock sucking magot.
Very mature.
If you can control yourself with digressing yourself into this, maybe we can have a good informative discussion. But you've come into this with ridicule in your blood when i openly asked for a calm discussion. So if this is what this is about from you. Forget it.
I really didn't think your argument was this weak that you'd have to lower yourself to this.
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I remember back in the 80's there was talk of a single currency in Europe, where we lived at the time. I told my dad about it and he dismissed it outright and said that the Germans would never give up their currency. Haha, so much for that.
I don't know if we're progressing towards a single world government, but I don't think the idea can be outright dismissed. To me, there a clearly a number of indications posted by Hugo, 33, and others that would seem to suggest that, at least over time, it's very possible that we could be moving slowly towards a NWO. And, it might be something that never pans out, but it's still worth discussion, IMO.
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Europe just elected their first "President of Europe."
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So what powers does the new European President have?
From Wiki:
From 1975 to 2009, the head of the European Council was an unofficial position (often referred to as President-in-Office) held by the head of state or government of the member state holding the semiannually rotating Presidency of the Council of the European Union at any given time.
The president's role is largely administrative, coordinating the work of the European Council, organising and chairing its meetings, and reporting to the European Parliament after each meeting; the president will also "at his level and in that capacity, ensure the external representation of the Union on issues concerning its common foreign and security policy, without prejudice to the powers of the High Representative of the Union for Foreign Affairs and Security".[16] Some overlap between the roles of the President of the European Council, the President of the Commission, and the High Representative—notably in foreign policy—leaves uncertainty about how much influence the President of the European Council will acquire. There is further concern over whether the President will have sufficient personnel and resources to fulfil the duties of the post effectively and that, in lacking a ministry, the President might become a "play ball" between EU leaders.[17]
Privileges of office
The Résidence Palace in Brussels is under renovation to become the European Council's new headquarters.
Formal negotiations on the salary and privileges of the permanent presidency began in April 2008 as part of the draft of the 2009 EU budget. The ideas were that the President would have got the same treatment as the President of the Commission. With regard to salary, this would be €270,000, although at the end it was fixed to €350,000.[18]
The President receives a chauffeured car and around 20 dedicated staff members. He also has a housing allowance, rather than an official residence which was considered "too symbolic". Likewise, the idea of a private jet was also rejected for being symbolic and, as one diplomat pointed out, a discrepancy in privileges between the European Council and Commission presidents may only fuel rivalry between the two.[18]
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This is how it starts O.
Do you really think that they are going to come right of of the box with a full dictatorship?
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This is how it starts O.
Do you really think that they are going to come right of of the box with a full dictatorship?
It looks like a figure head only.
What's your time line for this NWG? When do you think this will come to completion?
And why haven't you addressed the questions I asked you in response to your lists?
There have always been people pushing stuff like this. It's nothing new. Did Obama sign anything that would propel us in that direction? Even if he did, it has to get through congress right? Or is it just at last a uncensored platform for these nutjob's agenda?
I hear what you guys are saying, but "green" police hasn't happened yet. Does it look like it will? Will the USA allow themselves to be under their watch?
What do you think will happen in this country if paying taxes to a world organization is proposed? The people will NEVER go for it, dems and repubs. The only who will are tree huggers.
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What do you think will happen in this country if paying taxes to a world organization is proposed? The people will NEVER go for it, dems and repubs. The only who will are tree huggers.
That's the point I was trying to make with my post, Oz. Back in the 80's, a single currency sounded ridiculous to my dad and he claimed it would never happen. There was no specific date back then, no talk of a "Euro", ...just talk. Now?
Let's just say hypothetically, we project out 50 years. And 50 years from now the "world court" is much more active and much more empowered. And, let's say they get some type of green movement hammered out at that time, but we're still a sovereign nation. Then, the green movement and the world court say to nations, well, we need more money to carry out our tasks. So, the individual governments turn to the populace and say we're just going to tax each person a small $1.00 to pay for all these services. Then project out another 50 years and so on...
I don't know if that will be the reality, but it's certainly something we can reasonably consider as we see these elements progressing in the present. It may never turn out to be that way, but I think it's something worth considering.
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That's the point I was trying to make with my post, Oz. Back in the 80's, a single currency sounded ridiculous to my dad and he claimed it would never happen. There was no specific date back then, no talk of a "Euro", ...just talk. Now?
Let's just say hypothetically, we project out 50 years. And 50 years from now the "world court" is much more active and much more empowered. And, let's say they get some type of green movement hammered out at that time, but we're still a sovereign nation. Then, the green movement and the world court say to nations, well, we need more money to carry out our tasks. So, the individual governments turn to the populace and say we're just going to tax each person a small $1.00 to pay for all these services. Then project out another 50 years and so on...
I don't know if that will be the reality, but it's certainly something we can reasonably consider as we see these elements progressing in the present. It may never turn out to be that way, but I think it's something worth considering.
Thanks.
So, it's something to beware of, especially IF things like the green police become reality?
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This is how it starts O.
Do you really think that they are going to come right of of the box with a full dictatorship?
I guess that is what this fool thinks and wants. If it was to happen in this fashion I would like to see and know what he would do. Easy to mouth off and demand twelve tons of information to prove water is wet...It will be another matter when even parting your lips to the NWO rulers will cause your skull to be cracked. Make yourself and others aware while there is still time Ozmo, you remind me of the dumb parents who deny their child's drug abuse problem until the child overdoses and then all of a sudden they speak up saying i thought there might have been something troubling him.
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Very mature.
If you can control yourself with digressing yourself into this, maybe we can have a good informative discussion. But you've come into this with ridicule in your blood when i openly asked for a calm discussion. So if this is what this is about from you. Forget it.
I really didn't think your argument was this weak that you'd have to lower yourself to this.
then don't bait it you freaking loser. You're freaking insane. You're the moronic jackass that's actually trying to say we don't have anything an it's not a big deal when the president of the united states wants this. fuck you!
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So what powers does the new European President have?
From Wiki:
From 1975 to 2009, the head of the European Council was an unofficial position (often referred to as President-in-Office) held by the head of state or government of the member state holding the semiannually rotating Presidency of the Council of the European Union at any given time.
The president's role is largely administrative, coordinating the work of the European Council, organising and chairing its meetings, and reporting to the European Parliament after each meeting; the president will also "at his level and in that capacity, ensure the external representation of the Union on issues concerning its common foreign and security policy, without prejudice to the powers of the High Representative of the Union for Foreign Affairs and Security".[16] Some overlap between the roles of the President of the European Council, the President of the Commission, and the High Representative—notably in foreign policy—leaves uncertainty about how much influence the President of the European Council will acquire. There is further concern over whether the President will have sufficient personnel and resources to fulfil the duties of the post effectively and that, in lacking a ministry, the President might become a "play ball" between EU leaders.[17]
Privileges of office
The Résidence Palace in Brussels is under renovation to become the European Council's new headquarters.
Formal negotiations on the salary and privileges of the permanent presidency began in April 2008 as part of the draft of the 2009 EU budget. The ideas were that the President would have got the same treatment as the President of the Commission. With regard to salary, this would be €270,000, although at the end it was fixed to €350,000.[18]
The President receives a chauffeured car and around 20 dedicated staff members. He also has a housing allowance, rather than an official residence which was considered "too symbolic". Likewise, the idea of a private jet was also rejected for being symbolic and, as one diplomat pointed out, a discrepancy in privileges between the European Council and Commission presidents may only fuel rivalry between the two.[18]
This is only the beginning. That is how it all starts.
Years ago, the US Federal government did not have nearly as much power as it has now.
Years ago, the president of Venezuela did not have nearly as much power as he has today. A Venezuelan president could stay in office no longer than five years and only for one term at a time, no re-elections, no consecutive terms. Then came Hugo Chavez and he gradually changed the Venezuelan constitution, one little change at a time. Look at where he is now, on his second term in a row and now it looks like he will stay in power for the rest of his life.
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then don't bait it you freaking loser. You're freaking insane. You're the moronic jackass that's actually trying to say we don't have anything an it's not a big deal when the president of the united states wants this. fuck you!
Dude, you seriously have anger issues and act like little spoiled child. Serious. Look at you, look at the way you are acting. You are pathetic.
GROW UP. Act like an adult. I have yet to see some one as petty as you and overly sensitive as you.
Or better yet go outside and stare at more chem trails determining their altitudes by sight and pretend you aren't some ignorant jackass with a tin foil hat.
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This is only the beginning. That is how it all starts.
Years ago, the US Federal government did not have nearly as much power as it has now.
Years ago, the president of Venezuela did not have nearly as much power as he has today. A Venezuelan president could stay in office no longer than five years and only for one term at a time, no re-elections, no consecutive terms. Then came Hugo Chavez and he gradually changed the Venezuelan constitution, one little change at a time. Look at where he is now, on his second term in a row and now it looks like he will stay in power for the rest of his life.
I don't see Obama or anyone else changing the constitution yet. Haven't seen them really try. I think you are right, however, it is a path that can lead to something like what everyone is talking about. The difference is, however, it that we are talking about numerous whole countries versus changes in the inter workings of just one country.
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Just stop posting. It's for the best...........
what?
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Dude, you seriously have anger issues and act like little spoiled child. Serious. Look at you, look at the way you are acting. You are pathetic.
GROW UP. Act like an adult. I have yet to see some one as petty as you and overly sensitive as you.
Or better yet go outside and stare at more chem trails determining their altitudes by sight and pretend you aren't some ignorant jackass with a tin foil hat.
Ouch!
When in doubt, Hugo (much like his Samson gimmick) ignores facts and resorts to ridiculing and name calling. Much like your everyday fourth grader.
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I don't see Obama or anyone else changing the constitution yet. Haven't seen them really try. I think you are right, however, it is a path that can lead to something like what everyone is talking about. The difference is, however, it that we are talking about numerous whole countries versus changes in the inter workings of just one country.
Obama or any president of the US does not have to change the constitution. All he has to do is sign a world agreement that gives a world organization power over the US, or any sovereign country. Once the agreement is signed, there is no turning back. For example, the US joined the World Trade Organization a while back. Now the WTO tells the US what to do when it comes to trade. The WTO can tell Americans that they can't buy only American. You see that? The WTO can tell you what to buy and what not to buy.
President Obama to water down 'Buy American' plan after EU trade war threat
The European Union warned the US yesterday against plunging the world into depression by adopting a planned “Buy American” policy, intensifying fears of a trade war.
The EU threatened to retaliate if the US Congress went ahead with sweeping measures in its $800 billion (£554 billion) stimulus plan to restrict spending to American goods and services.
The European Commission’s powerful trade department, a bastion of open markets formerly headed by Lord Mandelson, said yesterday that the “Buy American” clause was “the worst possible signal” that could be sent to world trade.
The Commission believes that the US move would violate international trade rules policed by the Geneva-based World Trade Organization (WTO)
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article5655115.ece
And that's just one example.