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For anyone who wants to get ripped and never has achieved it since:
You only need to follow 3 simple rules:
- eat enough protein (about 1g / lb of lean body mass a day).
- perform intense anaerobic training.
- reduce calories to lose about 1-2 lbs a week.
I guarantee anybody who does that for long enough to get ripped to shredds. Forget about books, fitness trainers, and "gurus". They are all bullshitters who want to steal your money. The whole industry is just a bunch of liars and crooks.
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For anyone who wants to get ripped and never has achieved it since:
You only need to follow 3 simple rules:
- eat enough protein (about 1g / lb of lean body mass a day).
- perform intense anaerobic training.
- reduce calories to lose about 1-2 lbs a week.
I guarantee anybody who does that for long enough to get ripped to shredds. Forget about books, fitness trainers, and "gurus". They are all bullshitters who want to steal your money. The whole industry is just a bunch of liars and crooks.
X2 Wave its not that complicated, now for contests you need to reduce water and carbs the last few days all I have to add.
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the simple measurement is
eat 11x your bodyweight(lbs) in calories and you will lose 2lbs of fat per week.
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X2 Wave its not that complicated, now for contests you need to reduce water and carbs the last few days all I have to add.
I always enjoy your posts, you seem to know what you're talking about.
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I always enjoy your posts, you seem to know what you're talking about.
Been there tried many things this always works..all math my friend
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For anyone who wants to get ripped and never has achieved it since:
You only need to follow 3 simple rules:
- eat enough protein (about 1g / lb of lean body mass a day).
- perform intense anaerobic training.
- reduce calories to lose about 1-2 lbs a week.
I guarantee anybody who does that for long enough to get ripped to shredds. Forget about books, fitness trainers, and "gurus". They are all bullshitters who want to steal your money. The whole industry is just a bunch of liars and crooks.
certainly loosing fat isnt a complicated process but alot of people dont have the mental power to do it
i also laugh all the gurus secrets.there are no secrets..all you need to know is a few basic fundamental rules (99%), rest is details (1%) that dont matter unless you are in very specific situations.
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the main thing a trainer can do is to create accountability. in other words it helps people doing what they should be doing. (even when they know what it is)
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For anyone who wants to get ripped and never has achieved it since:
You only need to follow 3 simple rules:
- eat enough protein (about 1g / lb of lean body mass a day).
- perform intense anaerobic training.
- reduce calories to lose about 1-2 lbs a week.
I guarantee anybody who does that for long enough to get ripped to shredds. Forget about books, fitness trainers, and "gurus". They are all bullshitters who want to steal your money. The whole industry is just a bunch of liars and crooks.
Very correct.
But, if you want to stayy big and shredded. You need bit more special nutritional tips unless using gears.
And each person is different. So, sooner or later, you are the best trainer of yourself.
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Very correct.
But, if you want to stayy big and shredded. You need bit more special nutritional tips unless using gears.
And each person is different. So, sooner or later, you are the best trainer of yourself.
each person is different to some degree but still the same fundamental rules apply to everyone. although drugs can change some things.
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Good post Wave!
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Very correct.
But, if you want to stayy big and shredded. You need bit more special nutritional tips unless using gears.
And each person is different. So, sooner or later, you are the best trainer of yourself.
kyomu you are doing great friend on your contest prep, but in reality you can eat mcdonalds 2 weeks out from contest if you want as long as you dont go over your calorie maintenance. Its just dropping water before the contest if you have stripped the fat for naturals as yourself. I never used the drugs I couldnt relate to that.
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Pfffffttt...... I prefer the guru's who suggest massive amounts of drugs. Just seems like the safer way to go.
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certainly loosing fat isnt a complicated process but alot of people dont have the mental power to do it
i also laugh all the gurus secrets.there are no secrets..all you need to know is a few basic fundamental rules (99%), rest is details (1%) that dont matter unless you are in very specific situations.
Exactly!
the main thing a trainer can do is to create accountability. in other words it helps people doing what they should be doing. (even when they know what it is)
Yes. Good thing is that you can't really screw it up anyway as long as you still follow the 3 simple rules. That's why most trainers are effective as long as their clients follow their lead.
Very correct.
But, if you want to stayy big and shredded. You need bit more special nutritional tips unless using gears.
And each person is different. So, sooner or later, you are the best trainer of yourself.
I agree that each person is different, but the difference mainly concerns convenience. I still think that by following the 3 rules, everyone can get shredded (with close to optimal results).
each person is different to some degree but still the same fundamental rules apply to everyone. although drugs can change some things.
Yes!
Good post Wave!
Thanks man!
kyomu you are doing great friend on your contest prep, but in reality you can eat mcdonalds 2 weeks out from contest if you want as long as you dont go over your calorie maintenance. Its just dropping water before the contest if you have stripped the fat for naturals as yourself. I never used the drugs I couldnt relate to that.
Listen to this guy, he obviously knows what he's talking about!
Pfffffttt...... I prefer the guru's who suggest massive amounts of drugs. Just seems like the safer way to go.
I agree if you need to adhere to a certain hard deadline like a contest.
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Wave, do you keep protein intake constant on off/on-training days?
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Wave, do you keep protein intake constant on off/on-training days?
Yes but that's irrelevant too. Avarage is much more important than exact intake each day.
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the simple measurement is
eat 11x your bodyweight(lbs) in calories and you will lose 2lbs of fat per week.
And you know what about dieting?
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And you know what about dieting?
This noob definitely needs to shut his fucking mouth.
Yes but that's irrelevant too. Avarage is much more important than exact intake each day.
So you're basically saying timing of protein intake will not affect your gains in any significant manner.
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So you're basically saying timing of protein intake will not affect your gains in any significant manner.
Yes. There are studies regarding protein intake around anaerobic training but they are inconclusive.
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Yes. There are studies regarding protein intake around anaerobic training but they are inconclusive.
I generally agree with everything you say Wave but find it easier to follow the traditional diet when getting lean.
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But, if you want to stayy big and shredded. You need bit more special nutritional tips unless using gears.
Give an example of a "special nutritional tip" you personally found helpful.
Will you be "big and shredded without gears" at your next show?
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This noob definitely needs to shut his fucking mouth.
So you're basically saying timing of protein intake will not affect your gains in any significant manner.
you should worry about the totals more than timing...although protein intake around the workouts is important.
as for carb cycling and fat intake..i guess there could be some partioning effects going on. in other words low fat on training days (specially after the workout) and more carbs and vice versa on non workout days. in the end i dont think it matters that much for your end results as long as you have a caloric deficit overall (over a certain time period). also carb cycling can be useful if you already have a low body % ...but personally i have dieted down many times without any type of carb cycling just removing calories as fat loss stalls. extremely uncomplicated ;)
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I generally agree with everything you say Wave but find it easier to follow the traditional diet when getting lean.
And that's perfectly fine of course. It's a matter of convenience in this case.
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For anyone who wants to get ripped and never has achieved it since:
You only need to follow 3 simple rules:
- eat enough protein (about 1g / lb of lean body mass a day).
- perform intense anaerobic training.
- reduce calories to lose about 1-2 lbs a week.
I guarantee anybody who does that for long enough to get ripped to shredds. Forget about books, fitness trainers, and "gurus". They are all bullshitters who want to steal your money. The whole industry is just a bunch of liars and crooks.
you, mein oesterreichischer freund (no homo), got it down to a science !
(http://flabbergastedly.com/wp-content/uploads/Makes%20no%20sense/ou%20know%20who%27s%20hot.gif)
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you should worry about the totals more than timing...although protein intake around the workouts is important.
as for carb cycling and fat intake..i guess there could be some partioning effects going on. in other words low fat on training days (specially after the workout) and more carbs and vice versa on non workout days. in the end i dont think it matters that much for your end results as long as you have a caloric deficit overall (over a certain time period). also carb cycling can be useful if you already have a low body % ...but personally i have dieted down many times without any type of carb cycling just removing calories as fat loss stalls. extremely uncomplicated ;)
You make too much sense, get off this board! ;D
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I generally agree with everything you say Wave but find it easier to follow the traditional diet when getting lean.
'traditional' diets have to follow the basic rules too...the thing is just that they are surrounded with alot of vodoo that people think they have to do. (one such thing is eating every third hour)
so the vodoo diet says do A+B+C = D
in reality all you need to do is to do A to get D
...but people will think B+C is necessary too
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you, mein oesterreichischer freund (no homo), got it down to a science !
(http://flabbergastedly.com/wp-content/uploads/Makes%20no%20sense/ou%20know%20who%27s%20hot.gif)
Hahahaha, danke mein Schweizer Bruder am Eisen! ;D
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You make too much sense, get off this board! ;D
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dieting is not complicated at all. but people always look for secrets..they dont wanna hear that its all about consistency and hard work.
same goes for training and many other things in life
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certainly loosing fat isnt a complicated process but alot of people dont have the mental power to do it
i also laugh all the gurus secrets.there are no secrets..all you need to know is a few basic fundamental rules (99%), rest is details (1%) that dont matter unless you are in very specific situations.
Spot on. Getting ripped is all about willpower. Its not about fatburners, supplements, or juice. Obviouslly T3, clen, even ephedrine will help but for anyone whos realies on those heavily I dought you will reach your goal or manage to maintain your fatloss. I just got in shape for the first time without any fatburners and it was a huge mental hurdle but I did it. I def dont have a fast metabolism. But when the end of the day and night rolls around and my stomach feels like it is eating itself from the inside out, I just tell myself all the guys in the gym who look the same every day would go eat right now. Then I go to bed hungry and wake up the next morning in better shape. Anyone can get in shape in 3-4 months depending on how out of shape you are. You can lose 40-50lbs in that time.
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dieting is not complicated at all. but people always look for secrets..they dont wanna hear that its all about consistency and hard work.
same goes for training and many other things in life
Are you with me that this thread should be a stickie? ;D
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Are you with me that this thread should be a stickie? ;D
yes but people wont believe you..it sounds too easy (or atleast too uncomplicated) ;D
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yes but people wont believe you..it sounds too easy (or atleast too uncomplicated) ;D
Reason being is money, there is always someone trying to make money off anything in this world. I have seen pics of Wave in ripped condition its not hard just discipline. Its simple take in less than you need you lose fat.
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Reason being is money, there is always someone trying to make money off anything in this world. I have seen pics of Wave in ripped condition its not hard just discipline. Its simple take in less than you need you lose fat.
ohh i know that money is one reason (laziness is another reason) that the fundamental rules are being hidden among vodoo rules. just look at many of the gurus, they have their clients doing alot of unecessary stuff that really dont matter or is just a way to trick them to eat less calories (which can be a good thing too)
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yes but people wont believe you..it sounds too easy (or atleast too uncomplicated) ;D
I bet we could get Ronaldo ripped if he would just sticky this thread.
He could eat all the orange chicken he wanted and still get ripped! ;D
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I'd say add aerobic training(cardio) as well, for health benefits and for more variety.
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I bet we could get Ronaldo ripped if he would just sticky this thread.
He could eat all the orange chicken he wanted and still get ripped! ;D
yes, i also get annoyed at people who think they have to diet only on chicken and tuna. my answer is always make sure you eat food you enjoy eating and you dont have to limit yourself to dry chicken + categorizing clean vs dirty food is kinda stupid as it should never be an either or case.
when i diet down for shows i for example eat ice cream (and other 'dirty' food) now and then..no problem..as long as i keep track of my calories overall and meet my macro goals. its all about balance
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I'd say add aerobic training(cardio) as well, for health benefits and for more variety.
Pizza yes definately but all you are doing is burning more calories = take in less or burn more = fat loss.
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I'd say add aerobic training(cardio) as well, for health benefits and for more variety.
yes can be added to achieve a caloric deficit (less food is most important factor tho) and for overall health. but is not a must for fatloss..and if done .it shouldnt be overdone....
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yes, i also get annoyed at people who think they have to diet only on chicken and tuna. my answer is always make sure you eat food you enjoy eating and you dont have to limit yourself to dry chicken + categorizing clean vs dirty food is kinda stupid as it should never be an either or case.
when i diet down for shows i for example eat ice cream (and other 'dirty' food) now and then..no problem..as long as i keep track of my calories overall and meet my macro goals. its all about balance
You're a competitive bodybuilder?
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Does anybody else have an intuitive connection with their metabolism? I don't mean to use metaphysical jargon, but I have noticed that after years and years of strict dieting and bodybuilding, I find that I can just go from meal to meal and eat however much I feel that I need for whatever is my specific goal. I hardly even have to think about it and it is a very natural and effortless process for me now. No notes, or tracking, simply meal to meal dieting.
Great advice, wavelength. I also always believe that dieting has been overcomplicated because most people feel that it should be complicated although it's nothing more than cutting calories (zero soda and unhealthy snacks), eating clean, balanced meals consistently, water, exercise, etc.
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You're a competitive bodybuilder?
yes i am and i have helped many people diet for shows and with training etc so my advice is not just based on theory i read but also tried and true time after time. :)
recently i helped a fitness girl diet for her show. first thing i did was stop her eating 6 tiny meals, because when you have a 56kg girl..6 meals will be the size of bird meals (she was complaining about constantly having to eat and feeling hungry). i put her on 3 larger meals so she can feel full after each meal and i suggested her a much more varied diet..and to exclude protein shakes as they arent as filling as regular food (such as red meat). also i told her to scale back on her training and cardio..as she was doing too much of everything. training 6 days per week and 2x1 hour cardie sessions per day. i scaled her back to 4 workouts (with weights) per week..and also scaled back alot on her cardio.
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Does anybody else have an intuitive connection with their metabolism? I don't mean to use metaphysical jargon, but I have noticed that after years and years of strict dieting and bodybuilding, I find that I can just go from meal to meal and eat however much I feel that I need for whatever is my specific goal. I hardly even have to think about it and it is a very natural and effortless process for me now. No notes, or tracking, simply meal to meal dieting.
Great advice, wavelength. I also always believe that dieting has been overcomplicated because most people feel that it should be complicated although it's nothing more than cutting calories (zero soda and unhealthy snacks), eating clean, balanced meals consistently, water, exercise, etc.
you dont have an intuitive connection with your metabolism..instead you have a good grasp of how much calories you need to keep your weight stable. ;)
its the same thing with me..after dieting so many times and counting calories i can pretty much guestimate how much im eating. BUT alot of people cant and will understimate or overstimate how much they are eating..so the basic recommendation should be if you diet: count your calories.
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Does anybody else have an intuitive connection with their metabolism? I don't mean to use metaphysical jargon, but I have noticed that after years and years of strict dieting and bodybuilding, I find that I can just go from meal to meal and eat however much I feel that I need for whatever is my specific goal. I hardly even have to think about it and it is a very natural and effortless process for me now. No notes, or tracking, simply meal to meal dieting.
Great advice, wavelength. I also always believe that dieting has been overcomplicated because most people feel that it should be complicated although it's nothing more than cutting calories (zero soda and unhealthy snacks), eating clean, balanced meals consistently, water, exercise, etc.
Thanks man although I don't believe in "clean" food.
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yes i am and i have helped many people diet for shows and with training etc so my advice is not just based on theory i read but also tried and true time after time. :)
recently i helped a fitness girl diet for her show. first thing i did was stop her eating 6 tiny meals, because when you have a 56kg girl..6 meals will be the size of bird meals (she was complaining about constantly having to eat and feeling hungry). i put her on 3 larger meals so she can feel full after each meal and i suggested her a much more varied diet..and to exclude protein shakes as they arent as filling as regular food (such as red meat). also i told her to scale back on her training and cardio..as she was doing too much of everything. training 6 days per week and 2x1 hour cardie sessions per day. i scaled her back to 4 workouts per day..and also scaled back alot on her cardio.
Got any competition pics, of yourself or your clients?
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Got any competition pics, of yourself or your clients?
yes maybe will post some in the future. :)
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For anyone who wants to get ripped and never has achieved it since:
You only need to follow 3 simple rules:
- eat enough protein (about 1g / lb of lean body mass a day).
- perform intense anaerobic training.
- reduce calories to lose about 1-2 lbs a week.
I guarantee anybody who does that for long enough to get ripped to shredds. Forget about books, fitness trainers, and "gurus". They are all bullshitters who want to steal your money. The whole industry is just a bunch of liars and crooks.
That's what they do on the biggest loser ,they lose ton of weight ,but I've never seen one guy shredded on that show.
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That's what they do on the biggest loser ,they lose ton of weight ,but I've never seen one guy shredded on that show.
Never seen the show, but I suspect that they just don't do it for long enough if they do it correctly at all.
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That's what they do on the biggest loser ,they lose ton of weight ,but I've never seen one guy shredded on that show.
the goal for them isnt to get shredded (in the show) its turning obese people into less obese people. and its a TV show where they overdo everything. the fat people are being pushed too hard but its all for TV.
the more boring solution would be too do much less training and keep good track of food intake and teach eating and training strategies that can be maintained in the long run without a personal trainer shouting in your face 24/7....because there is a life after the show too
not a good idea to go from zero to 100 as an obese person.
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Never seen the show, but I suspect that they just don't do it for long enough if they do it correctly at all.
Getting shredded have to do w/ genetics also.
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For anyone who wants to get ripped and never has achieved it since:
You only need to follow 3 simple rules:
- eat enough protein (about 1g / lb of lean body mass a day).
- perform intense anaerobic training.
- reduce calories to lose about 1-2 lbs a week.
I guarantee anybody who does that for long enough to get ripped to shredds. Forget about books, fitness trainers, and "gurus". They are all bullshitters who want to steal your money. The whole industry is just a bunch of liars and crooks.
I dont plan on doing any cardio for my upcoming show prep
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Getting shredded have to do w/ genetics also.
not really. how much muscle mass you are able to retain at low body fat % is governed by genetics. most people dont get inside out shredded..because a) they dont have the mental power to do it b) they dont want too to get totally shredded...etc
the people in the show you mentioned they wanna loose weight and look somewhat normal not get shredded (in the show)..although maybe some of them have that as a longterm goal in the future..but you have to take one step at the time
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not really. how much muscle mass you are able to retain at low body fat % is governed by genetics.
That's what we are talking about here (muscles ), in Auschwitz they were all shredded ,but .......
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Wave is right,but I still prefer to follow a more structured plan as it helps me to stay organized and focused.
I also believe in eating cleran to get ripped,especially as you get older.
If you are 18 with a fast metabolism,you can eat everything and stay ripped to the bone.
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For anyone who wants to get ripped and never has achieved it since:
You only need to follow 3 simple rules:
- eat enough protein (about 1g / lb of lean body mass a day).
- perform intense anaerobic training.
- reduce calories to lose about 1-2 lbs a week.
I guarantee anybody who does that for long enough to get ripped to shredds. Forget about books, fitness trainers, and "gurus". They are all bullshitters who want to steal your money. The whole industry is just a bunch of liars and crooks.
This is basic stuff and true but the fact is you = full of shit when it comes to dieting on takeaways and junk food ::)
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Wave is right,but I still prefer to follow a more structured plan as it helps me to stay organized and focused.
I also believe in eating cleran to get ripped,especially as you get older.
If you are 18 with a fast metabolism,you can eat everything and stay ripped to the bone.
Wes , Do you believe that a 200 cal piece of chocolate (candy or beer ) has the same effect in your muscles than a 200 cal piece of sweet potato ?
I don't.
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Wave is right,but I still prefer to follow a more structured plan as it helps me to stay organized and focused.
I also believe in eating cleran to get ripped,especially as you get older.
If you are 18 with a fast metabolism,you can eat everything and stay ripped to the bone.
i dont think wave is saying that the diet necessarily has to be unstructured.
as for the clean vs dirty food...wont get into that as i know you have your very firm opinions ;) but i will say that no one is saying you should diet on only soda and mcdonalds food. and you can certainly get totally shredded even if you include 'dirty' food in your diet..i have done this many times and so have people i have helped.
even if your 47 years old you can include for example ice cream into your diet and get ripped as long as you keep track of calories.
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Wes , Do you believe that a 200 cal piece of chocolate (candy or beer ) has the same effect in your muscles than a 200 cal piece of sweet potato ?
I don't.
plz dont use that kinda logic. because no one has claimed that. every time a thread such as this pops up someone mentiones that..but no one has said to base you diet on chocolate.
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Che,no I don`t beleive in "The Adonis Principles" !! :)
If you eat garbage,you`re gonna` look like garbage regardless of cals or training.
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Che,no I don`t beleive in "The Adonis Principles" !! :)
If you eat garbage,you`re gonna` look like garbage regardless of cals or training.
wes..whats the adonis principles?
and i havent seen anyone on here saying you should base your diet on garbage. come on wes ;)
please dont make it into an either or debate.
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plz dont use that kinda logic. because no one has claimed that. every time a thread such as this pops up someone mentioned that..but no one has said to base you diet on chocolate.
Wave likes to eat junk food on his diet ,for him all carbs are the same.
He doesn't say nothing about carbs here :- eat enough protein (about 1g / lb of lean body mass a day).
- perform intense anaerobic training.
- reduce calories to lose about 1-2 lbs a week
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The Adonis Principles were started by board member and friend "The True Adonis" who stated that you can get ripped eating anything as long as there is a calorie deficit.......kinda` like what Wave says in a way.
I`m not beating this dead horse with you again nolotil,don`t worry bud!! :)
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Che,no I don`t beleive in "The Adonis Principles" !! :)
If you eat garbage,you`re gonna` look like garbage regardless of cals or training.
Thank you.
Do you know that Wave support the Adonis principles ?
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Yes,and I don`t agree with it.......I agree with the calorie deficit part,but clean bodybuilding foods make a huge difference in your physique.
On a sidenote,the lack of a fucking quote function sux!!! :(
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i think you should avoid all kind of extremes. no..not all calories are the same but waves initial post is still correct.
for example eating only empty sugars as a carb source is not smart during a diet but yes in theory you can diet on table sugar and protein shakes. but who does that in real life? no serious bodybuilder does that.
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Yes,and I don`t agree with it.......I agree with the calorie deficit part,but clean bodybuilding foods make a huge difference in your physique.
On a sidenote,the lack of a fucking quote function sux!!! :(
Exactly , losing weight and losing fat aren't the same thing.
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i think you should avoid all kind of extremes. no..not all calories are the same but waves initial post is still correct.
for example eating only empty sugars as a carb source is not smart during a diet but yes in theory you can diet on table sugar and protein shakes. but who does that in real life? no serious bodybuilder does that.
You are getting smarter Nolotil ;D
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Che,we are finally converting nolotil into a person who makes good sense!
I go waaaay back with Wave and Adonis and they`re both friends,but their stuff won`t work for me.
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Exactly , losing weight and losing fat aren't the same thing.
both require a caloric deficit. and no one has in this thread said that you should base your food intake on chocolate.
che why are you making this into an extreme debate. lets say you need 2500 calories to be weight stable and choose to diet on 2000 calories...and you have at the eaten 1750 calories and have eaten adequate protein..do you think it will matter if the next 250 calories come from ice cream or oatmeal? and notice no one is saying ONLY eat ice cream. answer: it wont.
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I just bought two pairs of these......should be totally ripped in no time.
(http://images.google.com/url?source=imgres&ct=tbn&q=http://www.alltheshoes.co.uk/images/cp_Skechers_Shape_Ups.jpg&usg=AFQjCNH2JbxM7pnn_vMn1tkyeK7E1Pit6Q)
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You are getting smarter Nolotil ;D
no im saying exactly same thing as before ;)
just that you interpreted my post with 'extreme version glasses'....because it makes the debate easier for you ;D
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We`re not debating,just teaching!! :)
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We`re not debating,just teaching!! :)
and im trying to teach you too.. ;)
i think this is a case of:
you do A+B+C and get D but in reality its only A that really makes you get D...B+C are not important. i call it factor confusion. ;D
clean vs dirty food is kinda weird debate as it should never be an either or situation.
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We`re not debating,just teaching!! :)
;D
I'm done
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;D
I'm done
yes me too..im out. i think the positions are locked ;D
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Yes,and I don`t agree with it.......I agree with the calorie deficit part,but clean bodybuilding foods make a huge difference in your physique.
On a sidenote,the lack of a fucking quote function sux!!! :(
Why the hell can't you and some others qoute? It makes following what you're saying tough.
I agree with you. I think maybe there's more of an ability to let a calorie be a calorie when you're TA's age at the time he went off about that. I think most of us over 30 have learned that does not stay true. (Being on a ton of gear would except that)
Anyway, to me it only makes sense that when you are hitting weights, cardio, and diet to lean out that a gram of protein outweighs the value of a gram of a simple sugar carb. Personally, I used to eat a grilled stuft steak burrito and a steak gordita from TB every single day on top of my other meals and I had abs. I continued that past 31-32 and ended up with an ab. Trying now to get back to my normal look, and it hasn't been ez at all
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I agree my friend.
The quote function has been srewed up for a while now for some of us.
Happy holidays bro.
I`m out too!! :)
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both require a caloric deficit. and no one has in this thread said that you should base your food intake on chocolate.
Unfortunatly you dont know the history and wave and adonis claim you can get ripped on eatting junk as they see a calorie as just a calorie.
Mentzer also used to claim this but hey he also was a meth addict.
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merry xmas wave - i agree with everything you say except the nutrient timing issue ;D
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oh and i also disagree with the 1-2 lbs a week thing.
its ok for a guideline, but fat folks can lose a lot more without losing muscle, and even thin folks if their nutrient timing, nutrition and training are well thought out ;D
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Happy holidays bro.
You too!
I took a walk through the complex down to the street entrance today, and it looks like with another pass from the plows tonight I'll be able to drive tomorrow. Sad that it takes 2 1/2 days.....what do I pay taxes for n e way??? lol
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Guys,
No one has mentioned BMR.....its a good tool that can help someone understand how many calories are needed to maintain and how many to cut to lose fat
Now here's my question ----> what is the BEST way to lose fat, while preserving muscle...lol....havent heard that one before have we...:P......anyway, I forever fight this issue....I cut (calorie deficit), but have a problem with muscle loss......would it be that my calorie deficit it too much?
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how exactly do you know how many calories to take in a day though?
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how exactly do you know how many calories to take in a day though?
just go to the dozen of so calorie sites that list the food and its calories per 100g, serving, whatever......you just need to work out the ~weight of the different types of foods in the meal your just ate and hit these sites......
Anyway, losing fat is a f'ing curse of will power.....thats the bottom line here......as the OP stated, its very simple maths.....but when you do it and the fullness goes, you lose a little muscle here and there, the guts starts turning becuase your hungry....f'ck!
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This is basic stuff and true but the fact is you = full of shit when it comes to dieting on takeaways and junk food ::)
Explain what "junk" food is then and how it relates to body composition.
For each day of 2009, I can tell you exactly what I ate.
Unfortunatly you dont know the history and wave and adonis claim you can get ripped on eatting junk as they see a calorie as just a calorie.
Mentzer also used to claim this but hey he also was a meth addict.
I never said "a calorie is a calories" since this phrase is completely meaningless.
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merry xmas wave - i agree with everything you say except the nutrient timing issue ;D
;D
oh and i also disagree with the 1-2 lbs a week thing.
its ok for a guideline, but fat folks can lose a lot more without losing muscle, and even thin folks if their nutrient timing, nutrition and training are well thought out ;D
I agree that fat folks can lose more.
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Guys,
No one has mentioned BMR.....its a good tool that can help someone understand how many calories are needed to maintain and how many to cut to lose fat
Now here's my question ----> what is the BEST way to lose fat, while preserving muscle...lol....havent heard that one before have we...:P......anyway, I forever fight this issue....I cut (calorie deficit), but have a problem with muscle loss......would it be that my calorie deficit it too much?
Yes. If you lose muscle at a significant rate, your rate of weight loss (resp. caloric deficit) is too high. Could also be, your protein is too low, or your strength training is lacking, but I would think you have that covered.
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what about epic muscle gayning? what are your advices on that?
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you want big pectorals? bench three or 4 times a week until satisfied with result/growth rate.
you want big biceps? curl three or 4 times a week until satisfied with result/growth rate.
you want abs? do situps three or 4 times a week until satisfied with result/growth rate.
Want to get lean and healthy? MOVE your ass and eat only what you need, not more.
Wanta "perfect diet" to promote muscle growth? Just fucking eat some tuna, chicken rice potatoes and pasta everyday.
This is the incredible secret everyone is trying to figure out ::)
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the main thing a trainer can do is to create accountability. in other words it helps people doing what they should be doing. (even when they know what it is)
yes personal trainers or nutritional advisers are for lazy assholes only and not for real men 8)
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yes personal trainers or nutritional advisers are for lasy assholes only and not for real men 8)
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bench 4 times a week is silly advice
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you want big pectorals? bench three or 4 times a week until satisfied with result/growth rate.
you want big biceps? curl three or 4 times a week until satisfied with result/growth rate.
you want abs? do situps three or 4 times a week until satisfied with result/growth rate.
Want to get lean and healthy? MOVE your ass and eat only what you need, not more.
Wanta "perfect diet" to promote muscle growth? Just fucking eat some tuna, chicken rice potatoes and pasta everyday.
This is the incredible secret everyone is trying to figure out ::)
Worst advice ever.
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For anyone who wants to get ripped and never has achieved it since:
You only need to follow 3 simple rules:
- eat enough protein (about 1g / lb of lean body mass a day).
- perform intense anaerobic training.
- reduce calories to lose about 1-2 lbs a week.
I guarantee anybody who does that for long enough to get ripped to shredds. Forget about books, fitness trainers, and "gurus". They are all bullshitters who want to steal your money. The whole industry is just a bunch of liars and crooks.
While this is reasonable advice in a general sense, it is not absolute. There are other factors to consider... such as ones individual metabolism, and the state of that metabolism over the period of the diet. The more/longer you diet the more your body will try to compensate by lowering your metabolic rate. In some cases it will also blunt the output of your thyroid gland, which negates the effectives of your diet.
I would add to your list, and say that other good tips are to do some cardio first thing on an empty stomach, and if you find yourself in sticking points, rev up the amount of calories you are eating for a couple of days to get your metabolism back in order, then start dropping calories again...
Taking a cyclical approach to dieting is best IMO.
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While this is reasonable advice in a general sense, it is not absolute. There are other factors to consider... such as ones individual metabolism, and the state of that metabolism over the period of the diet. The more/longer you diet the more your body will try to compensate by lowering your metabolic rate. In some cases it will also blunt the output of your thyroid gland, which negates the effectives of your diet.
I would add to your list, and say that other good tips are to do some cardio first thing on an empty stomach, and if you find yourself in sticking points, rev up the amount of calories you are eating for a couple of days to get your metabolism back in order, then start dropping calories again...
Taking a cyclical approach to dieting is best IMO.
wavelength is saying exactly that the above does not matter much. Ultimately it is about calories in and calories out, as long as the criteria he mentions are met- i.e. enough protein, losing 1-2 lb/week, and intense weight training.
a cyclical approach with drastically reduced or added calories would give the same results as if you would eat the average amount of calories consumed in that time period.
I believe this is what WL claims.
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wavelength is saying exactly that the above does not matter much. Ultimately it is about calories in and calories out, as long as the criteria he mentions are met- i.e. enough protein, losing 1-2 lb/week, and intense weight training.
a cyclical approach with drastically reduced or added calories would give the same results as if you would eat the average amount of calories consumed in that time period.
I believe this is what WL claims.
Hmm....if that is the case then WL advice is not optimal. One's natural metabolic rate, and one's metabolic rate in whatever phase of the diet that they are in are too unpredictable to just offer such blanket advice. One should use the mirror as their guide, and make adjustments as needed.
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Hmm....if that is the case then WL advice is not optimal. One's natural metabolic rate, and one's metabolic rate in whatever phase of the diet that they are in are too unpredictable to just offer such blanket advice. One should use the mirror as their guide, and make adjustments as needed.
I would like for WL to answer this himself; but one might argue that reducing your calories to lose 1-2 lb/week isn't a drastic enough change to alter your metabolic rate significantly.
WL has mentioned that he has used traditional dieting methods before, but using his current methods has acheived the best results so far because it is easier.
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For anyone who wants to get ripped and never has achieved it since:
You only need to follow 3 simple rules:
- eat enough protein (about 1g / lb of lean body mass a day).
- perform intense anaerobic training.
- reduce calories to lose about 1-2 lbs a week.
I guarantee anybody who does that for long enough to get ripped to shredds. Forget about books, fitness trainers, and "gurus". They are all bullshitters who want to steal your money. The whole industry is just a bunch of liars and crooks.
hold the presses!!!
caloric intake < needed calories = weight loss
Give the man a Nobel prize.
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hold the presses!!!
caloric intake < needed calories = weight loss
Give the man a Nobel prize.
As a WL guy this offends me deeply.
There's a genius in the simplification of things. If everyone realised how simple it was there wouldn't be a billion dollar industry created out of this.
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I would like for WL to answer this himself; but one might argue that reducing your calories to lose 1-2 lb/week isn't a drastic enough change to alter your metabolic rate significantly.
WL has mentioned that he has used traditional dieting methods before, but using his current methods has achieved the best results so far because it is easier.
If his approach works for him then great. I would just point out that there are too many variables with metabolic rate/hormones/rate of digestion etc, to just offer blanket advice to everyone and pass it off like gospel truth.
The real simple thing to take away from what I am saying... is be pragmatic...give your dieting/training program a fair chance, keep tabs on your physique, and make adjustments to your diet/training/supplement/drug intake as needed.
I for one have found that my metabolism flatlines, if I don't eat frequently, or don't do cardio...both of which seem to correct the problem. Then again, I also have a naturally slow/average metabolism, and almost never find myself needing more then 2-3k calories a day. I weigh a reasonably lean 250.
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If his approach works for him then great. I would just point out that there are too many variables with metabolic rate/hormones/rate of digestion etc, to just offer blanket advice to everyone and pass it off like gospel truth.
I guess thats part of the debate; WL will most certainly argue that caloric restriction under the guidelines he has posted is by far the most important variable.
He should take it from here ;D
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what about epic muscle gayning? what are your advices on that?
drugs
While this is reasonable advice in a general sense, it is not absolute. There are other factors to consider... such as ones individual metabolism, and the state of that metabolism over the period of the diet. The more/longer you diet the more your body will try to compensate by lowering your metabolic rate. In some cases it will also blunt the output of your thyroid gland, which negates the effectives of your diet.
I would add to your list, and say that other good tips are to do some cardio first thing on an empty stomach, and if you find yourself in sticking points, rev up the amount of calories you are eating for a couple of days to get your metabolism back in order, then start dropping calories again...
Taking a cyclical approach to dieting is best IMO.
Metabolism is dependent on total caloric intake, no doubt. But the 3 rules remain true. IMO, cardio is unessential, so is doing it on an empty stomach. Everything else is bro science as far as I know.
Hmm....if that is the case then WL advice is not optimal. One's natural metabolic rate, and one's metabolic rate in whatever phase of the diet that they are in are too unpredictable to just offer such blanket advice. One should use the mirror as their guide, and make adjustments as needed.
Adjustment of calories to achieve a certain rate of weight loss accommodates for whatever lowering of metabolism might occur. However, for most people, this lowering isn't nearly as severe as claimed.
hold the presses!!!
caloric intake < needed calories = weight loss
Give the man a Nobel prize.
I'm not talking about weight loss, I'm always talking about (close to) optimal body composition. After all, this is a bodybuilding board. I'm old but that has not slipped my mind yet. ;D
If his approach works for him then great. I would just point out that there are too many variables with metabolic rate/hormones/rate of digestion etc, to just offer blanket advice to everyone and pass it off like gospel truth.
The real simple thing to take away from what I am saying... is be pragmatic...give your dieting/training program a fair chance, keep tabs on your physique, and make adjustments to your diet/training/supplement/drug intake as needed.
I for one have found that my metabolism flatlines, if I don't eat frequently, or don't do cardio...both of which seem to correct the problem. Then again, I also have a naturally slow/average metabolism, and almost never find myself needing more then 2-3k calories a day. I weigh a reasonably lean 250.
I agree with the pragmatic approach, this is what this thread is all about. Everything else is merely a matter of convenience.
I guess thats part of the debate; WL will most certainly argue that caloric restriction under the guidelines he has posted is by far the most important variable.
He should take it from here ;D
Yes, as numerous studies have shown.
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Racist post reported. >:(
howcome you didn't answer my question seriously?! >:(
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Give an example of a "special nutritional tip" you personally found helpful.
Will you be "big and shredded without gears" at your next show?
I am eating lots of simple carbs which is quite prohibited generaly and i am making good result now.
I hope and i should. If not, I wont be on stage.
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the fact of the matter is that wavelength has it right
good job, wave length
...anything else robin
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Racist post reported. >:(
howcome you didn't answer my question seriously?! >:(
Who, me?
I am eating lots of simple carbs which is quite prohibited generaly and i am making good result now.
I hope and i should. If not, I wont be on stage.
Of course you do, "simple" carbs are completely irrelevant.
the fact of the matter is that wavelength has it right
good job, wave length
...anything else robin
Hahahaha ;D
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I am eating lots of simple carbs which is quite prohibited generaly and i am making good result now.
But that's just the thing, that's not going against what Wave said. You are really following what Wave said, lots of protein (though maybe a good bit more than the OP said) and you are in an energy deficit (otherwise you wouldn't be getting leaner and lighter).
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While this is reasonable advice in a general sense, it is not absolute. There are other factors to consider... such as ones individual metabolism, and the state of that metabolism over the period of the diet. The more/longer you diet the more your body will try to compensate by lowering your metabolic rate. In some cases it will also blunt the output of your thyroid gland, which negates the effectives of your diet.
I would add to your list, and say that other good tips are to do some cardio first thing on an empty stomach, and if you find yourself in sticking points, rev up the amount of calories you are eating for a couple of days to get your metabolism back in order, then start dropping calories again...
Taking a cyclical approach to dieting is best IMO.
metabolic slowdown is blown waaaaaaaaaaaaay out of proportion. yes is slows down eventually, but it doesn't stop. so either way if you reduce calories again you'll lose more fat.
if it does slow down quickly while dieting you have bigger issues than being overweight - your thyroid is about to pack in :-\
for example i was dieting on no carbs or fats mon-fri, then lots of carbs and fats sat and sun for 6 months - when i got blood work my thyroid was perfect. despite losing over 50lbs.
what happened to the slow down there ? ::)
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metabolic slowdown is blown waaaaaaaaaaaaay out of proportion. yes is slows down eventually, but it doesn't stop. so either way if you reduce calories again you'll lose more fat.
if it does slow down quickly while dieting you have bigger issues than being overweight - your thyroid is about to pack in :-\
for example i was dieting on no carbs or fats mon-fri, then lots of carbs and fats sat and sun for 6 months - when i got blood work my thyroid was perfect. despite losing over 50lbs.
what happened to the slow down there ? ::)
Using yourself as a baseline for all mankind is a bit absurd. Also...I don't know about other variables in your habits, (exercise type/frequency, etc), so there may be more to the story.
Also I never meant to imply that metabolic slowdown is a huge spectre of impending doom, about to swallow up any would-be dieter, just that it is a mechanism that the body has in place, and it does have to be factored in. I have found that it is easier for me to lose weight, by eating small amounts constantly, and revving up my cardio. I actually seem to be improving my metabolic rate by increasing my calories as apposed to restricting them.... Why is this... who knows, but suffice to say that the hormonal makeup of an individual plays a great deal into weight loss/gain.
To keep it simple though...It is good advices to suggest that one should run a deficit, either by restricting calories, or by keeping calories steady, but increasing cardio, (which would also put you in a deficit, but IMO is generally a superior approach, as it will keep your metabolic rate up, and would make matters more efficient.)
I remember a while back reading that Jay Cutler would simply keep his calories steady for as long as possible, but increase his cardio output, until he no longer saw results, and would then, and only then, start restricting calories. He said that he felt that he held on to much more muscle this way, and that it made dieting easier....for me its easy to see why this would be a good approach.
Nothing is set in stone however...and the main thing is to again be pragmatic, and make personalized adjustments as needed. As long as you don't make any sudden drastic changes, and are willing to be honest about assessing your progress, or lack thereof, this shouldnt be overly complicated.
Of course when a lot of androgens/insulin/GH/etc are involved in the equation, then that has to be factored in.
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I am eating lots of simple carbs which is quite prohibited generaly and i am making good result now.
I hope and i should. If not, I wont be on stage.
you will loose weight even if your eating lots of simple carbs...if your in a caloric deficit. its no mystery ;)
but the question i have is why you are eating lots of simple carbs? they tend to not be as filling as 'slower' carbs..and often less nutritious. also unless you are doing multiple sessions per day or lots of endurance training i see no reason to use simple carbs after workouts...(if that is what you are doing).
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Using yourself as a baseline for all mankind is a bit absurd. Also...I don't know about other variables in your habits, (exercise type/frequency, etc), so there may be more to the story.
Also I never meant to imply that metabolic slowdown is a huge spectre of impending doom, about to swallow up any would-be dieter, just that it is a mechanism that the body has in place, and it does have to be factored in. I have found that it is easier for me to lose weight, by eating small amounts constantly, and revving up my cardio. I actually seem to be improving my metabolic rate by increasing my calories as apposed to restricting them.... Why is this... who knows, but suffice to say that the hormonal makeup of an individual plays a great deal into weight loss/gain.
To keep it simple though...yes one should run a deficit, either by restricting calories, or by keeping calories steady, but increasing cardio, (which would also put you in a deficit, but IMO is generally a superior approach, as it will keep your metabolic rate up, and would make matters more efficient.)
I remember a while back reading that Jay Cutler would simply keep his calories steady for as long as possible, but increase his cardio output, until he no longer saw results, and would then, and only then, start restricting calories. He said that he felt that he held on to much more muscle this way, and that it made dieting easier....for me its easy to see why this would be a good approach.
Nothing is set in stone however...and the main thing is to again be pragmatic, and make personalized adjustments as needed. As long as you don't make any sudden drastic changes, and are willing to be honest about assessing your progress, or lack thereof, this should be overly complicated.
Of course when a lot of androgens/insulin/GH/etc are involved in the equation, then that has to be factored in.
where in my post did i state i was using myself as a baseline for all of mankind ? i did the same as you earlier - simply used myself as an example ( an extreme example).
i could have chosen to use science and posted studies that have looked into the phenomenon of metabolic slowdown in metabolic ward conditions while dieting, but whats the point - very few here would even read it.
the jist is basically the slow down comes from a reduced BMR caused by weight loss which leads to less stress on organs/muscles which leads to less calories being burned during daily activities etc etc
it may actually account for all metabolic slowdown in healthy dieters, and as i stated above if there is greater slowdown than can be accounted for by this then the thyroid is about to pack in.
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there will be metabolic slowdown..but when weight loss stalls you simply lower the calories abit more.
food restriction should be the main variable in achieving a caloric deficit. cardio shouldnt be used as the main factor in achieving a caloric deficit,, otherwise you risk overdoing the cardio which increases the risk of muscle loss and will negatively impact workouts which also increases risk of muscle loss
also drugs increases the margin of error and lets you get away with alot of things that wouldnt be good for naturals. what pros do is pretty irrelevant
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there will be metabolic slowdown..but when weight loss stalls you simply lower the calories abit more.
food restriction should be the main variable in achieving a caloric deficit. cardio shouldnt be used as the main factor in achieving a caloric deficit,, otherwise you risk overdoing the cardio which increases the risk of muscle loss and will negatively impact workouts which also increases risk of muscle loss
Nice post
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there will be metabolic slowdown..but when weight loss stalls you simply lower the calories abit more.
Funny thing is, most "experts" will tell you to "eat more to start losing" again, or other complicated methods of "breaking through the plateau".
food restriction should be the main variable in achieving a caloric deficit. cardio shouldnt be used as the main factor in achieving a caloric deficit,, otherwise you risk overdoing the cardio which increases the risk of muscle loss and will negatively impact workouts which also increases risk of muscle loss
also drugs increases the margin of error and lets you get away with alot of things that wouldnt be good for naturals. what pros do is pretty irrelevant
The main problem with cardio IMO is that most people hate it. That's why so many people fail at losing fat, they are told they have to do stuff they hate and stop eating stuff they like.
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you will loose weight even if your eating lots of simple carbs...if your in a caloric deficit. its no mystery ;)
but the question i have is why you are eating lots of simple carbs? they tend to not be as filling as 'slower' carbs..and often less nutritious. also unless you are doing multiple sessions per day or lots of endurance training i see no reason to use simple carbs after workouts...(if that is what you are doing).
I dont know. Just Pine fills my muscle very well.
If i sustitute pine to the rice with same amount of calories, i would be very flat.
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I dont know. Just Pine fills my muscle very well.
If i sustitute pine to the rice with same amount of calories, i would be very flat.
White rice are simple carbs as well.
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White rice are simple carbs as well.
not by the definition I know
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not by the definition I know
Maybe you know a wrong definition. That's probably also the reason why you believe simple or complex carbs are irrelevant.
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Maybe you know a wrong definition. That's probably also the reason why you believe simple or complex carbs are irrelevant.
Refer me to a scientific publication mentioning rice as a simple carbohydrate then.
And I never said it's irrelevant, I said irrelevant for body composition. And this is very well proven through scientific studies. If you think otherwise, please refer scientific studies on body composition.
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Refer me to a scientific publication mentioning rice as a simple carbohydrate then.
The glycaemic index of white rice is up to 90 (depends on how long you cook it), white rice is plain sugar. I don't know exactly what scientific publication you wanna see about that fact now lol.
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The glycaemic index of white rice is up to 90 (depends on how long you cook it), white rice is plain sugar. I don't know exactly what scientific publication you wanna see about that fact now lol.
White rice is a high GI complex carb, not a sugar.
Sugars are simple carbs.
That's the definition I know and I'm pretty sure it is correct.
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I dont know. Just Pine fills my muscle very well.
If i sustitute pine to the rice with same amount of calories, i would be very flat.
sorry i dont know what pine is? also i think its much in your head regarding being flat. if you eat alot of sugars of course you will still loose fat (in a caloric deficit) but i see no point making most of your carbs fast sugars..to be honest i would avoid them mostly..not nutritious and like i said unless you workout twice a day for same myuscle group or do alot of endurance training you dont need to use fast sugars to speed up storage of glycogen as you will have atleast 24hours to do so..and 'regular' carbs will do the trick and will be more nutritious and filling
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White rice are simple carbs as well.
absolutely no problem eating white rice during diet. totally ok to use as a source of carbs. i much prefer taste of white rice vs brown rice. doesnt matter which you use. up to you
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absolutely no problem eating white rice during diet. totally ok to use as a source of carbs. i much prefer taste of white rice vs brown rice. doesnt matter which you use. up to you
I use brown rice. White rice makes me hypoglycemic and fidgety in a diet. With brown rice no problems.
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GI has no impact on body composition or lipolysis,, but that doesnt meen you should eat only HIGH GI food as for many people low GI foods is good for hunger control which is important aspect during dieting also in general lower GI food are often more nutritious. the point is dont go insane and worry too much abotu GI,, also please dont make extreme interpretations such as that you should eat candy 24/7...not at all. so dont go basing all of your diet on high GI foods.
Diaz EO et. al. Glycaemic index effects on fuel partitioning in humans. Obes Rev. (2006) 7:219-26.
The purpose of this review was to examine the role of glycaemic index in fuel partitioning and body composition with emphasis on fat oxidation/storage in humans. This relationship is based on the
hypothesis postulating that a higher serum glucose and insulin response induced by high-glycaemic carbohydrates promotes lower fat oxidation and higher fat storage in comparison with low-glycaemic carbohydrates. Thus, high-glycaemic index meals could contribute to the maintenance of excess weight in obese individuals and/or predispose obesity-prone subjects to weight gain. Several studies comparing the effects of meals with contrasting glycaemic carbohydrates for hours, days or weeks have failed to demonstrate any differential effect on fuel partitioning when either substrate oxidation or body composition measurements were performed. Apparently, the glycaemic index-induced serum insulin differences are not sufficient in magnitude and/or duration to modify fuel oxidation.
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GI has no impact on body composition or lipolysis,, but that doesnt meen you should eat only HIGH GI food as for many people low GI foods is good for hunger control which is important aspect during dieting also in general lower GI food are often more nutritious. the point is dont go insane and worry too much abotu GI,, also please dont make extreme interpretations such as that you should eat candy 24/7...not at all. so dont go basing all of your diet on high GI foods.
Diaz EO et. al. Glycaemic index effects on fuel partitioning in humans. Obes Rev. (2006) 7:219-26.
The purpose of this review was to examine the role of glycaemic index in fuel partitioning and body composition with emphasis on fat oxidation/storage in humans. This relationship is based on the
hypothesis postulating that a higher serum glucose and insulin response induced by high-glycaemic carbohydrates promotes lower fat oxidation and higher fat storage in comparison with low-glycaemic carbohydrates. Thus, high-glycaemic index meals could contribute to the maintenance of excess weight in obese individuals and/or predispose obesity-prone subjects to weight gain. Several studies comparing the effects of meals with contrasting glycaemic carbohydrates for hours, days or weeks have failed to demonstrate any differential effect on fuel partitioning when either substrate oxidation or body composition measurements were performed. Apparently, the glycaemic index-induced serum insulin differences are not sufficient in magnitude and/or duration to modify fuel oxidation.
My best poster of the year award goes to nolotil.
Have you been called an Adonis gimmick yet BTW? ;D
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My best poster of the year award goes to nolotil.
Have you been called an Adonis gimmick yet BTW? ;D
no but i heard someone mention the name i think earlier in this thread :) no idea who it is tho,,
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White rice are simple carbs as well.
White rice is a Polysaccharide = Complex carb
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no but i heard someone mention the name i think earlier in this thread :) no idea who it is tho,,
It is I, Purveyor of Eat Whatever You Want, Look like A God.
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*ducks out of thread due to Adonis and Wave both posting* :o
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*ducks out of thread due to Adonis and Wave both posting* :o
I will not stop until I see wes preparing for his next contest with burgers and ice cream!
;D
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no but i heard someone mention the name i think earlier in this thread :) no idea who it is tho,,
I was thinking you were Dustin maybe. ??? :D
Definitely not Adonis. But not new to getbig, that's for sure.
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I was thinking you were Dustin maybe. ??? :D
Definitely not Adonis. But not new to getbig, that's for sure.
whos dustin ? and yeah im new to getbig. your the 3rd person who says im someonelse tho lol? who are these people?
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It is I, Purveyor of Eat Whatever You Want, Look like A God.
TA what are you weighing nowadays?
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and yeah im new to getbig.
Well, I think your manner of speech resembles gh15. That's why I think you're not new. :D
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Well, I think your manner of speech resembles gh15. That's why I think you're not new. :D
aha i guess mosrly due to english not being first language. nolo is nolo and only nolo ;)
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TA what are you weighing nowadays?
About 170-175 leaner than my Mr Getbig days and with a bit of a fuller look.
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About 170-175 leaner than my Mr Getbig days and with a bit of a fuller look.
LIKE A WHIPPET..