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Some says that his kdney problem prevented him from this dry in his last years.
This looks like a guest apperance and still he looked better than 1999
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Definately an all time great, very symmetrical with size. Kyomu why didnt he ever win the Mr O?
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looks incredible there
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Some says that his kdney problem prevented him from this dry in his last years.
This looks like a guest apperance and still he looked better than 1999
1993 was his absolute best ! one of the best physiques ever to step on a stage
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Definately an all time great, very symmetrical with size. Kyomu why didnt he ever win the Mr O?
Dorian out massed him too much.
If he was 15lbs heavier with this condition, he could beat Dorian for sure.
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Dorian out massed him too much.
If he was 15lbs heavier with this condition, he could beat Dorian for sure.
Dorrian was the first of the really massive BB's things changed when he hit the seen..it was kinda of a progression Lee Haney before Dorrian had mass but not as much. So he kinda got caught in the transition you think?
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THE BEEF would say his outer calves and triceps have oil in them. Keep in mind if used correctly, it can't be detected.
Are you aware of Syntherol and it's protocols? Carl ( SUPER HUMAN RADIO ) is going to be doing a show on SEO's and it will be an eye opener.
THE BEEF
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Dorian out massed him too much.
If he was 15lbs heavier with this condition, he could beat Dorian for sure.
I think he could have beat Dorian is he looked like he did at the Arnold Classic , apples vs oranges and Flex didn't need any more size to beat Dorian
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Dorrian was the first of the really massive BB's things changed when he hit the seen..it was kinda of a progression Lee Haney before Dorrian had mass but not as much. So he kinda got caught in the transition you think?
mmm, not that complicated thing as you say.
Its very simple. If Dorian was bit bigger than Flex. Flex would beat Dorian with his proportion and super muscle roundness.
But, just Dorian was too big for him.
If I exagerate the case to the limit, i(76kg with super shredded condition with good proportion) should beat Paco(128kg with super condition with bad proportion). That will never happen til the end of this universe.
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I think he could have beat Dorian is he looked like he did at the Arnold Classic , apples vs oranges and Flex didn't need any more size to beat Dorian
So why did Dorrian beat him ND, can you explain? Flex had one of the best physiques of all time in my book.
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Yates and Ronnie both had that extra ingrediant. Positive character....both were guys the IFBB preferred to represent as its best athlete. Letting Flex represent the Mr.O title would be like having Randy Moss represent the NFL on Unted Way commercials.
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mmm, not that complicated thing as you say.
Its very simple. If Dorian was bit bigger than Flex. Flex would beat Dorian with his proportion and super muscle roundness.
But, just Dorian was too big for him.
If I exagerate the case to the limit, i(76kg with super shredded condition with good proportion) should beat Paco(128kg with super condition with bad proportion). That will never happen til the end of this universe.
ND says Flex didnt need more size.
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THE BEEF would say his outer calves and triceps have oil in them. Keep in mind if used correctly, it can't be detected.
Are you aware of Syntherol and it's protocols? Carl ( SUPER HUMAN RADIO ) is going to be doing a show on SEO's and it will be an eye opener.
THE BEEF
So Flex didn't use it correctly? :D Yes, his calves at least were obviously enhanced.
Could you show an example where oil was used but wasn't detectable to the trained eye?
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So why did Dorrian beat him ND, can you explain? Flex had one of the best physiques of all time in my book.
For example, his legs are weak next to Dorian.
Very narrow next to Dorian.
His lower back and the thickness and size were smaller than those of Dorian.
To be a Mr.O. The Beauty only is not enough.
He must be huge and hard too. But he didnt have enough mass. Bodybuilding is about muscle above all.
If we talk about beauty only, some will say that those models physiques are way nearer to those greek statues.
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So Flex didn't use it correctly? :D Yes, his calves at least were obviously enhanced.
Could you show an example where oil was used but wasn't detectable to the trained eye?
He mentioned use of escilene which was the THING in the late 80's.
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For example, his legs are weak next to Dorian.
Very narrow next to Dorian.
His lower back and the thickness and size were smaller than those of Dorian.
To be a Mr.O. The Beauty only is not enough.
He must be huge and hard too. But he didnt have enough mass. Bodybuilding is about muscle above all.
If we talk about beauty only, some will say that those models physiques are way nearer to those greek statues.
Good reply, so how did those guys like Frank Zane and Chris Dickerson win the O? Just a question, there were bigger guys in those contests as well did the judging criteria just change?
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He mentioned use of escilene which was the THING in the late 80's.
Remember Manfred Hoeberl and when he appeared on the scene? ;)
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So Flex didn't use it correctly? :D Yes, his calves at least were obviously enhanced.
Could you show an example where oil was used but wasn't detectable to the trained eye?
Look at his triceps at the interview . . . THE BEEF guesses it could be site injections ::) Listen son, if they look as if they ain't used it . . it's done correctly.
The owner of the Synthec ( they produce the only SEO to use ) says his CC list of pros if a Whos Who of the sport. Lots of CC's declined due to lack of funds.
THE BEEF
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So why did Dorrian beat him ND, can you explain? Flex had one of the best physiques of all time in my book.
Believe it or not I was completely dumbfound in 1993 when Flex lost to Dorian , I just didn't get it until I learned how contests were judged
I realized Flex was a victim of the spring shows and his physique was showing the signs of having to re-peak so many times , his conditioning was actually not as good as Shawn Ray's but he placed ahead of Shawn due to superior size and shape
Dorian was just on-point for that show , perfect conditioning , unmatched size and balance , I think if Flex 93 ASC competed at that show it would have been down to the wire . Dorian always said the one guy who he felt could give him a trouble was Flex and no one else
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Good reply, so how did those guys like Frank Zane and Chris Dickerson win the O? Just a question, there were bigger guys in those contests as well did the judging criteria just change?
Yes. Exactly the judging criteria change.
But, if we take a survey of fan, as you know, many people dont admit Zane as a Mr.O.
But when Dickerson won, Dickerson was not way out massed than anybody in spite of Viator was big.
Dickerson was smaller than Viator, but he was way more complete than Viator.
So peoples Mr. O was always big muscular guy like Arnold, Haney, Dorian and Ronnie and 2009 Jay.
And many dont admit Dexter as Mr.O in spite of his well proportioned complete physique. Why? Just simply he dont carry enough mass to be a Mr.O
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Look at his triceps at the interview . . . THE BEEF guesses it could be site injections ::) Listen son, if they look as if they ain't used it . . it's done correctly.
The owner of the Synthec ( they produce the only SEO to use ) says his CC list of pros if a Whos Who of the sport. Lots of CC's declined due to lack of funds.
THE BEEF
Listen beef, the who's who of the sport also show signs of having used the stuff. My opinion is that it's hard to use it to any real advantage without it showing at all, and to me it's off putting the second it shows.
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THE BEEF would say his outer calves and triceps have oil in them. Keep in mind if used correctly, it can't be detected.
Are you aware of Syntherol and it's protocols? Carl ( SUPER HUMAN RADIO ) is going to be doing a show on SEO's and it will be an eye opener.
THE BEEF
If you are aware Synthol didn't come out until 96, Flex won his pro card in 92, and the second Vid is from 93. Flex did state he used escilene during that time period, and said Kev did as well. Manfred Hoebel blew up on the scene back in 95-96, and he was German. Chris Clark. A German as well is credited with Synthol's creation, and was using Manfred as a experiment. Back in 95 he was probably perfecting it, and by 96 he "patent" it.
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Pacos never been 126 kgs on stage. Why you telling fibs?
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If you are aware Synthol didn't come out until 96
Bullshit. See my post about the Austrian.
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Yes. Exactly the judging criteria change.
But, if we take a survey of fan, as you know, many people dont admit Zane as a Mr.O.
But when Dickerson won, Dickerson was not way out massed than anybody in spite of Viator was big.
Dickerson was smaller than Viator, but he was way more complete than Viator.
So peoples Mr. O was always big muscular guy like Arnold, Haney, Dorian and Ronnie and 2009 Jay.
And many dont admit Dexter as Mr.O in spite of his well proportioned complete physique. Why? Just simply he dont carry enough mass to be a Mr.O
So you are saying that a smaller guy can beat a more massive guy only if symmetry and proportion is out of balance for the bigger guy?
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Pacos never been 126 kgs on stage. Why you telling fibs?
Wow, do you have a super natural power?
Why do you know more than me?
I am always flipped at a people like you.
Who are you?
If you say it with such a confidence, wannna bet some money for it?
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Watch out! Kyomu is flipped!
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Bullshit. See my post about the Austrian.
You talking about Manfred? See my revised post. I have those mags with Manfred tslkingabout 10 mins to big arms. They are from the mid 90s-- 1996 to be exact. Musclemag even had a article about Chris Clark's new enhancement.
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Pacos is 5'8. He is 110 - 112 kgs on stage.
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So you are saying that a smaller guy can beat a more massive guy only if symmetry and proportion is out of balance for the bigger guy?
Yes.
But if that guy is too muscular for that smaller guy, he will win aginst that smaller guy.
If he is bit bigger than that complete smaller guy, that smaller guy will win.
So if Flex was bit smaller than Dorian, Flex would have beaten Dorian without any problem.
But if we talk about weakness, Flex physique was even less complete than dexters physique. For example, look at his back spread, his lat is bit high and narrow.
Anyway, its easy to imagen 7 mandatory comparisons. If you have weakness in 7 mandatories, you will lose even if your signature pose is like a work of art.
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Pacos is 5'8. He is 110 - 112 kgs on stage.
I can bet 100000000euro for that deal.
AndYou are fvckin arrogant and you are dead wrong. He is a very heavy bodybuilder and I am the witness.
Why dont you do this(bet)?
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I can bet 100000000euro for that deal.
AndYou are fvckin arrogant and you are dead wrong. He is a very heavy bodybuilder and I am the witness.
Why dont you do this(bet)?
So how much did Paco weigh his last contest?
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Definately an all time great, very symmetrical with size. Kyomu why didnt he ever win the Mr O?
One word: DORIAN
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Some says that his kdney problem prevented him from this dry in his last years.
This looks like a guest apperance and still he looked better than 1999
Wheeler at his best looked like a cartoon character. Too bad for him that he looked like a small cartoon character and thus was not always able to defeat the big boys.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Dorrian was the first of the really massive BB's things changed when he hit the seen..it was kinda of a progression Lee Haney before Dorrian had mass but not as much. So he kinda got caught in the transition you think?
Again, Dorian has ONE r in it, NOT two.
DoRian, NOT DoRRian.
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So why did Dorrian beat him ND, can you explain? Flex had one of the best physiques of all time in my book.
ONE R kid, NOT two.
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You talking about Manfred? See my revised post. I have those mags with Manfred tslkingabout 10 mins to big arms. They are from the mid 90s-- 1996 to be exact. Musclemag even had a article about Chris Clark's new enhancement.
Manfred was already out by the time you say he appeared.
It wasn't Esiclene that made Shawn question Flex's calves in '93. Either he got implants or he was using oil.
Chris Clark was also a pseudonym. Not his real name.
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Good reply, so how did those guys like Frank Zane and Chris Dickerson win the O? Just a question, there were bigger guys in those contests as well did the judging criteria just change?
You're new to this aren't you? Judges have changed. Criteria has changed. Tastes have changed and the norm has changed.
Dorian has ONE r.
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I can bet 100000000euro for that deal.
AndYou are fvckin arrogant and you are dead wrong. He is a very heavy bodybuilder and I am the witness.
Why dont you do this(bet)?
He also looks like sh1t , sorry K-San I know you are his friend but he is a mess as far as competitve BBs go.
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Dorrrian always came in great shape
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ONE R kid, NOT two.
Damn I did it again, thanks
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Listen beef, the who's who of the sport also show signs of having used the stuff. My opinion is that it's hard to use it to any real advantage without it showing at all, and to me it's off putting the second it shows.
This is very true...oil use is very obvious to the trained eye, you can see it in use by most pros today in some form or fashion. Even Cutler, Martienez, etc etc...in fact it would be much easier to make a list of current pros that DONT use it then those who do.
Its very off putting and should be an instant DQ IMO.
Remember everyone...most pros today are not any bigger then pros of the late 80s...they are simply more oily.
M!
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Are you saying paco is bigger then jay cutler? Paco looks BIG to you, because you see in SLANT vision, everything looks wide to you -_- vs o_o
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You talking about Manfred? See my revised post. I have those mags with Manfred tslkingabout 10 mins to big arms. They are from the mid 90s-- 1996 to be exact. Musclemag even had a article about Chris Clark's new enhancement.
Manfred's arms were already HUGE by the 1991 WSM competition. By 1993/1994 they were insane!
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Dorrrian always came in great shape
looks like Yates pic up the R Big Beef it Betil lost
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looks like Yates pic up the R Big Beef it Betil lost
lol
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A pioneer of the absurd!!
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This looks like a guest apperance and still he looked better than 1999
You gotta give him credit for his '99 condition. He looked fuckin' awesome - oil and all! 8)
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Van, Shawn said on here and several times in the mags that he was trying to get in Flex's head A la Muhammad Ali, he said he saw Flex as a threat and if he could get Flex off his game it was good for Shawn. And it worked to some extent. There was a deep, deep seated rivalry between the two, but a love/hate relationship. Flex showed he was paying attention to what Shawn accused him of in his vid "Hardbody", from 1993. He had scrapped his calve and flexed it and said his calf implants are leaking. Which is what Shawn accused him of.
Now, I have posted a rare pic from the 93 Arnold that shows clear striations and split calves from the back. ND has it, i scanned it from a magazine.
I believe that if Flex was using something in his calves it would have been Escilene, he admitted to using it in his delts in a t formation, back in the early 90's. When I mentioned that if he used it there why not somewhere else, Shawn had agreed with me.
Manfred was a guinea pig for Chris Clark. I am 99% sure that most of those pics are from 95-96. My first bodybuilding mag was a 1994 Ironman, and I read most from the latter part of that yr. No Manfred. Only by late 95 or 96 did he start showingup in mags, in particular Musclemag and Flex. Both did articles or interviews on him. And made comments that his arms were not as hard as Robby Robinson's.
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Manfred was already out by the time you say he appeared.
It wasn't Esiclene that made Shawn question Flex's calves in '93. Either he got implants or he was using oil.
Chris Clark was also a pseudonym. Not his real name.
I stand corrected about when Manfred came out
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manfred_Hoeberl?wasRedirected=true (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manfred_Hoeberl?wasRedirected=true)
and yes I know Chris Clark was a pseudo, I still think Manfred was a testbed. He has that same synthol look of huge upper arms and small forearms.
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Van, Shawn said on here and several times in the mags that he was trying to get in Flex's head A la Muhammad Ali, he said he saw Flex as a threat and if he could get Flex off his game it was good for Shawn. And it worked to some extent. There was a deep, deep seated rivalry between the two, but a love/hate relationship. Flex showed he was paying attention to what Shawn accused him of in his vid "Hardbody", from 1993. He had scrapped his calve and flexed it and said his calf implants are leaking. Which is what Shawn accused him of.
Now, I have posted a rare pic from the 93 Arnold that shows clear striations and split calves from the back. ND has it, i scanned it from a magazine.
I believe that if Flex was using something in his calves it would have been Escilene, he admitted to using it in his delts in a t formation, back in the early 90's. When I mentioned that if he used it there why not somewhere else, Shawn had agreed with me.
Manfred was a guinea pig for Chris Clark. I am 99% sure that most of those pics are from 95-96. My first bodybuilding mag was a 1994 Ironman, and I read most from the latter part of that yr. No Manfred. Only by late 95 or 96 did he start showingup in mags, in particular Musclemag and Flex. Both did articles or interviews on him. And made comments that his arms were not as hard as Robby Robinson's.
Well, I wasn't in Cali in 93 and don't know either Shawn or Flex but my guess is still that he used oil. They looked oiled even back then. Esiclene looks a bit different. Now Flex has admitted to using Synthol too, not just the Esiclene as some seem to think. Plus Chris Clark hinted that Flex was a user of his product. Everyone had access to Esiclene but something else was going on with Flex which is why Shawn called him on it, the calves were suddenly much larger.
I think Chris Clark is a pseudonym too, real name Navoy:
http://www.mesomorphosis.com/blog/2009/04/06/chris-navoy-sentenced-for-research-chemical-and-conversion-kit-sales/
Someone here MUST know the back story to this guy and know first hand when the pros started oiling up. Let's hear it.
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Yeah Flex admitted to using synthol, it was most obvious in 99-2000. Flex came into the 97 Mr.o conference with supposed x rays to show he had no implants. But his police report was fake, so who knows. I know that the pic I have from the 93 Arnold clearly shows muscle and not oil. And that his flexed calf in video looks like a flexed calf. Plus that twisting back shot from the 93 Arnold shows his arms and delts, so dry you can see the striations,and moat importantly the seperation. In the infamous black and white photos from the 99 Mr. O, Flex's delts lack that seperation, in fact Ronnie said that when Flex flexed nothing happened.
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Some says that his kdney problem prevented him from this dry in his last years.
This looks like a guest apperance and still he looked better than 1999
Same routine at the Ironman that year.
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I know I've made coments about Flex about his alleged lies and character but I actually was a fan of his physique. I was one of the happy ones when he turned pro at the USA in Santa Monica. He's actually has been a cool person to me also. However, his book, the car jacking, clean test for the 2002 Mr. Olympia and other "stories" lead me to not believe everything he says now. I think many other Getbig posters agree.
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So how much did Paco weigh his last contest?
Orlando pro-121kg
NY pro-127kg
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So paco was 280 lbs at the NEW YORK pro at 5'8? LOL .. robert the latvian with the beast arms is only 245 on stage and is the same height
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Believe it or not I was completely dumbfound in 1993 when Flex lost to Dorian , I just didn't get it until I learned how contests were judged
I realized Flex was a victim of the spring shows and his physique was showing the signs of having to re-peak so many times , his conditioning was actually not as good as Shawn Ray's but he placed ahead of Shawn due to superior size and shape
Dorian was just on-point for that show , perfect conditioning , unmatched size and balance , I think if Flex 93 ASC competed at that show it would have been down to the wire . Dorian always said the one guy who he felt could give him a trouble was Flex and no one else
Yeah some good points here especially this one show after another....and when he actually went to the Biggest show of all...he never was @ his best once... its a well know issue trying to peak more than once a year especially @ that sort of level is very very difficult, yip and flex's A/C condition @ the 93 O would of been closer...too a point... i still think Dorian would of won as his TOTAL overall condition and hardness would of seen Flex off, ive just seen Flexs 1998 Ironman routine :o :o :o....and once again im shaking my head...if and again its that IF he had waited and brought that package to the 1998 MR OLYMPIA IMO he not Ronnie would have Won the 1998 MR OLYMPIA :o however again Flex was (it seems) happy to pick up the cash @ lesser shows and assume he'd peak again @ the OLYMPIA....he didn't and as History shows he never did... :(
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So paco was 280 lbs at the NEW YORK pro at 5'8? LOL .. robert the latvian with the beast arms is only 245 on stage and is the same height
Pacos arms are 62cm shredded. Hope this help.
NY pro 2009
(http://www.musculardevelopment.com/photos/transferred/_W5Q2872_DENTMPFUYY.jpg)
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He looks like shit and has never been 280 on stage if this helps
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/contest_media/7942/269/d/nypropre091371242539125.jpg)
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if he is 280, how much does ruhl weigh? ::)
(http://builtreport.com/bautista/012.jpg)
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if he is 280, how much does ruhl weigh? ::)
(http://builtreport.com/bautista/012.jpg)
Ruhl is lighter than Paco.
ANYWAY, BET IS ON OR NOT?
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He looks like shit and has never been 280 on stage if this helps
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/contest_media/7942/269/d/nypropre091371242539125.jpg)
The shitty is your brain.
Ok, I will film Paco on the scale and put it on youtube.
If I am correct, you will erase your account and go away(OK, you will stay here as a gimmick though...)
If I am wrong, I will disappear here.
DEAL?
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Speaking of Paco...I still remember Lee Haney falling asleep during Paco's posing routine at the 2002 Mr. O. Its on the tape ...just stuff I remember.
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Lots of bodybuilders get up to 280. You said competition. Regardless. Whatever, he will die young. He is ALL DRUGS..
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cant we ask real judges to do a all time top 10? is that so hard to do come on
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The shitty is your brain.
Ok, I will film Paco on the scale and put it on youtube.
If I am correct, you will erase your account and go away(OK, you will stay here as a gimmick though...)
If I am wrong, I will disappear here.
DEAL?
Make a short movie when u measure Pacos arm, it would be nice to see. I'm tired of rumors. Youtube clip or it didn't happen. :)
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Lots of bodybuilders get up to 280. You said competition. Regardless. Whatever, he will die young. He is ALL DRUGS..
Hahaha, Its a epic joke that "all drugs" pro is a good friend of hardcore training and foods only natural bber. ;D
YES. Not like another FAT bbers, his weight is heavier in the contest condition than off.So you are completely OWNED.
I think he will live longer than you, since your life is miserable.
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Make a short movie when u measure Pacos arm, it would be nice to see. I'm tired of rumors. Youtube clip or it didn't happen. :)
From next month, I will make a weekly report of Paco like Levrone does.
And he will train, eat and speak his mind about everything in front of my camera.
Sorry that its all spanish since he can speak only spanish.
So stay tuned.
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From next month, I will make a weekly report of Paco like Levrone does.
And he will train, eat and speak his mind about everything in front of my camera.
Sorry that its all spanish since he can speak only spanish.
So stay tuned.
can translate for us on camera?
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I think Flex at the '98 Arnold was his best showing combining more size than in '93 and almost just as good conditioning
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I know I've made coments about Flex about his alleged lies and character but I actually was a fan of his physique. I was one of the happy ones when he turned pro at the USA in Santa Monica. He's actually has been a cool person to me also. However, his book, the car jacking, clean test for the 2002 Mr. Olympia and other "stories" lead me to not believe everything he says now. I think many other Getbig posters agree.
Can't say I don't understand if he did lie about the car jacking. Dude didn't want to pay the IFBB fee for dropping out of a show
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He looks like shit and has never been 280 on stage if this helps
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/contest_media/7942/269/d/nypropre091371242539125.jpg)
I've seen Paco train and the man is awesome. Not the most symmetrically pleasing but he's a freaky dude and very cool to boot. Never met a pro so nice as him
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if he is 280, how much does ruhl weigh? ::)
(http://builtreport.com/bautista/012.jpg)
480 :o
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He looks like shit and has never been 280 on stage if this helps
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/contest_media/7942/269/d/nypropre091371242539125.jpg)
ALL DRUGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Proportions, balance, flow, separation, sweep, tie-ins.....all horrible.....this is a man who shies away from free weights and compounds.....we see it more and more these days......this is a not so intelligent bodybuilder who misinterpreted the power of drugs over the logic of form, function and that you cant hide from the pain of what dumbless and barbells can do for you
Palumbo and Kovacs, you have a new freind at the round table.....
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Flexington Steele looked great in 93
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can translate for us on camera?
Some time yes. Sometime not.
But even if not, i will translate it when i post it here.
Because I want him to speak on his mind instantly and naturaly. And the real time translation cut his feeling.Thats not real.
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ALL DRUGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Proportions, balance, flow, separation, sweep, tie-ins.....all horrible.....this is a man who shies away from free weights and compounds.....we see it more and more these days......this is a not so intelligent bodybuilder who misinterpreted the power of drugs over the logic of form, function and that you cant hide from the pain of what dumbless and barbells can do for you
Palumbo and Kovacs, you have a new freind at the round table.....
Oh yes? He has started his training before your strating masturbation.
And he has never shrink down like Phil Heath or Melvin Anthony or Mustafa Mohamed.
I would say they are certainly all drug because of it.
What? 20yrs on drug without any break?
Then Paco must have iron organs though.... ;D
And so, our gym dont have that much machines like USA. More primitive. Hope this help.
Internet pencilneck. If not, post your pic.
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Paco does not look good.....FACT.....he is bordering on Palumboism.....King Kamali moreso
Btw, I have been masturbating a long time.....
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Definately an all time great, very symmetrical with size. Kyomu why didnt he ever win the Mr O?
because as good as he was, Yates crushed him and Flex even admitted this.