Finaly 1993 Flex Wheeler was the best and i dont see any oil there.

[kyomu]

Some says that his kdney problem prevented him from this dry in his last years.

This looks like a guest apperance and still he looked better than 1999

[Mr Nobody]

Definately an all time great, very symmetrical with size. Kyomu why didnt he ever win the Mr O?

[tendonitis]

looks incredible there

[NarcissisticDeity]

Some says that his kdney problem prevented him from this dry in his last years.

This looks like a guest apperance and still he looked better than 1999

1993 was his absolute best ! one of the best physiques ever to step on a stage

[kyomu]

Definately an all time great, very symmetrical with size. Kyomu why didnt he ever win the Mr O?

Dorian out massed him too much.
If he was 15lbs heavier with this condition, he could beat Dorian for sure.

[Mr Nobody]

Dorian out massed him too much.
If he was 15lbs heavier with this condition, he could beat Dorian for sure.

Dorrian was the first of the really massive BB's things changed when he hit the seen..it was kinda of a progression Lee Haney before Dorrian had mass but not as much. So he kinda got caught in the transition you think?

[Hurricane Beef !]

THE BEEF would say his outer calves and triceps have oil in them. Keep in mind if used correctly, it can't be detected.

Are you aware of Syntherol and it's protocols? Carl ( SUPER HUMAN RADIO ) is going to be doing a show on SEO's and it will be an eye opener.

THE BEEF

[NarcissisticDeity]

Dorian out massed him too much.
If he was 15lbs heavier with this condition, he could beat Dorian for sure.

I think he could have beat Dorian is he looked like he did at the Arnold Classic , apples vs oranges and Flex didn't need any more size to beat Dorian

[kyomu]

Dorrian was the first of the really massive BB's things changed when he hit the seen..it was kinda of a progression Lee Haney before Dorrian had mass but not as much. So he kinda got caught in the transition you think?

mmm, not that complicated thing as you say.
Its very simple. If Dorian was bit bigger than Flex. Flex would beat Dorian with his proportion and super muscle roundness.
But, just Dorian was too big for him.
If I exagerate the case to the limit, i(76kg with super shredded condition with good proportion) should beat Paco(128kg with super condition with bad proportion). That will never happen til the end of this universe.

[Mr Nobody]

I think he could have beat Dorian is he looked like he did at the Arnold Classic , apples vs oranges and Flex didn't need any more size to beat Dorian

So why did Dorrian beat him ND, can you explain? Flex had one of the best physiques of all time in my book.

[regmac]

Yates and Ronnie both had that extra ingrediant.  Positive character....both were guys the IFBB preferred to represent as its best athlete. Letting Flex represent the Mr.O title would be like having Randy Moss represent the NFL on Unted Way commercials.

[Mr Nobody]

mmm, not that complicated thing as you say.
Its very simple. If Dorian was bit bigger than Flex. Flex would beat Dorian with his proportion and super muscle roundness.
But, just Dorian was too big for him.
If I exagerate the case to the limit, i(76kg with super shredded condition with good proportion) should beat Paco(128kg with super condition with bad proportion). That will never happen til the end of this universe.

ND says Flex didnt need more size.

[Van_Bilderass]

THE BEEF would say his outer calves and triceps have oil in them. Keep in mind if used correctly, it can't be detected.

Are you aware of Syntherol and it's protocols? Carl ( SUPER HUMAN RADIO ) is going to be doing a show on SEO's and it will be an eye opener.

THE BEEF

So Flex didn't use it correctly?  Yes, his calves at least were obviously enhanced.

Could you show an example where oil was used but wasn't detectable to the trained eye?

[kyomu]

So why did Dorrian beat him ND, can you explain? Flex had one of the best physiques of all time in my book.

For example, his legs are weak next to Dorian.
Very narrow next to Dorian.
His lower back and the thickness and size were smaller than those of Dorian.

To be a Mr.O. The Beauty only is not enough.
He must be huge and hard too. But he didnt have enough mass. Bodybuilding is about muscle above all.
If we talk about beauty only, some will say that those models physiques are way nearer to those greek statues.

[regmac]

So Flex didn't use it correctly?  Yes, his calves at least were obviously enhanced.

Could you show an example where oil was used but wasn't detectable to the trained eye?

He mentioned use of escilene which was the THING in the late 80's.

[Mr Nobody]

For example, his legs are weak next to Dorian.
Very narrow next to Dorian.
His lower back and the thickness and size were smaller than those of Dorian.

To be a Mr.O. The Beauty only is not enough.
He must be huge and hard too. But he didnt have enough mass. Bodybuilding is about muscle above all.
If we talk about beauty only, some will say that those models physiques are way nearer to those greek statues.

Good reply, so how did those guys like Frank Zane and Chris Dickerson win the O? Just a question, there were bigger guys in those contests as well did the judging criteria just change?

[Van_Bilderass]

He mentioned use of escilene which was the THING in the late 80's.

Remember Manfred Hoeberl and when he appeared on the scene? 

[Hurricane Beef !]

So Flex didn't use it correctly?  Yes, his calves at least were obviously enhanced.

Could you show an example where oil was used but wasn't detectable to the trained eye?

Look at his triceps at the interview . . .  THE BEEF guesses it could be site injections Listen son, if they look as if they ain't used it . .  it's done correctly.

The owner of the Synthec ( they produce the only SEO to use ) says his CC list of pros if a Whos Who of the sport. Lots of CC's declined due  to lack of funds.

THE BEEF

[NarcissisticDeity]

So why did Dorrian beat him ND, can you explain? Flex had one of the best physiques of all time in my book.

Believe it or not I was completely dumbfound in 1993 when Flex lost to Dorian , I just didn't get it until I learned how contests were judged

I realized Flex was a victim of the spring shows and his physique was showing the signs of having to re-peak so many times , his conditioning was actually not as good as Shawn Ray's but he placed ahead of Shawn due to superior size and shape

Dorian was just on-point for that show , perfect conditioning , unmatched size and balance , I think if Flex 93 ASC competed at that show it would have been down to the wire . Dorian always said the one guy who he felt could give him a trouble was Flex and no one else

[kyomu]

Good reply, so how did those guys like Frank Zane and Chris Dickerson win the O? Just a question, there were bigger guys in those contests as well did the judging criteria just change?

Yes. Exactly the judging criteria change.
But, if we take a survey of fan, as you know, many people dont admit Zane as a Mr.O.
But when Dickerson won, Dickerson was not way out massed than anybody in spite of Viator was big.
Dickerson was smaller than Viator, but he was way more complete than Viator.

So peoples Mr. O was always big muscular guy like Arnold, Haney, Dorian and Ronnie and 2009 Jay.
And many dont admit Dexter as Mr.O in spite of his well proportioned complete physique. Why? Just simply he dont carry enough mass to be a Mr.O

[Van_Bilderass]

Look at his triceps at the interview . . .  THE BEEF guesses it could be site injections Listen son, if they look as if they ain't used it . .  it's done correctly.

The owner of the Synthec ( they produce the only SEO to use ) says his CC list of pros if a Whos Who of the sport. Lots of CC's declined due  to lack of funds.

THE BEEF

Listen beef, the who's who of the sport also show signs of having used the stuff. My opinion is that it's hard to use it to any real advantage without it showing at all, and to me it's off putting the second it shows.

[Parker]

THE BEEF would say his outer calves and triceps have oil in them. Keep in mind if used correctly, it can't be detected.

Are you aware of Syntherol and it's protocols? Carl ( SUPER HUMAN RADIO ) is going to be doing a show on SEO's and it will be an eye opener.

THE BEEF

If you are aware Synthol didn't come out until 96, Flex won his pro card in 92, and the second Vid is from 93. Flex did state he used escilene during that time period, and said Kev did as well. Manfred Hoebel blew up on the scene back in 95-96, and he was German. Chris Clark. A German as well is credited with Synthol's creation, and was using Manfred as a experiment. Back in 95 he was probably perfecting it, and by 96 he "patent" it.

[TRIX]

Pacos never been 126 kgs on stage. Why you telling fibs?

[Van_Bilderass]

If you are aware Synthol didn't come out until 96

Bullshit. See my post about the Austrian.

[Mr Nobody]

Yes. Exactly the judging criteria change.
But, if we take a survey of fan, as you know, many people dont admit Zane as a Mr.O.
But when Dickerson won, Dickerson was not way out massed than anybody in spite of Viator was big.
Dickerson was smaller than Viator, but he was way more complete than Viator.

So peoples Mr. O was always big muscular guy like Arnold, Haney, Dorian and Ronnie and 2009 Jay.
And many dont admit Dexter as Mr.O in spite of his well proportioned complete physique. Why? Just simply he dont carry enough mass to be a Mr.O

So you are saying that a smaller guy can beat a more massive guy only if symmetry and proportion is out of balance for the bigger guy?