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Over the last hundred years, the daily lives of Americans have become more and more subject to corporations? That is, over time, we can't nearly do as many things without entering one or more corporate domains? And as we see more and more things privatized, it's still becoming greater every day?
But hell, in 20 years, if you don't like it, well, fuck your rights, you can stay at home or go it alone in the Alaskan wilderness. :D
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Over the last hundred years, the daily lives of Americans have become more and more subject to corporations? That is, over time, we can't nearly do as many things without entering one or more corporate domains? And as we see more and more things privatized, it's still becoming greater every day?
But hell, in 20 years, if you don't like it, well, fuck your rights, you can stay at home or go it alone in the Alaskan wilderness. :D
1. Go read the "Creature from Jekyll Island"
2. How is your life "more subject to corporations"? I can see insurance for sure but how else?
3. Why are you not as outrages as the fact that the govt on all levels has far more control than the "corporations" ?
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aren't you happy some corporations exist?
which corporations are evil?
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1. OK, when I get around to it.
2. What I'm saying is that the domain of corporations is greater today and continues to become greater so as time goes along, one is able to do less without crossing into corporate domains. That's a simple fact, not sure it's debatable, it just is.
3. Forgetting the fact that the corporations have much more influence on government than the people. This is another thing I'm not sure is debatable
Debatable? Its insanely wrong on every level.
Like I said, other than insurance which the govt mandates you purchase for auto or health, how are you "subject to corporations"?
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not the point I'm addressing. Just establishing the point. Is it true that as time has gone along, the domain of corporations has increased and is increasing? But yes, there are evil corporations. Hi Monsanto, but not my purpose in this thread.
Than grow your own food or from local people and STFU.
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1. OK, when I get around to it.
2. What I'm saying is that the domain of corporations is greater today and continues to become greater so as time goes along, one is able to do less without crossing into corporate domains. That's a simple fact, not sure it's debatable, it just is.
3. Forgetting the fact that the corporations have much more influence on government than the people. This is another thing I'm not sure is debatable
If only corportations ran everything including our inept government.Perhaps the government would make a profit if Apple ran it instead of the dopes that run it now.
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If only corportations ran everything including our inept government.Perhaps the government would make a profit if Apple ran it instead of the dopes that run it now.
The so called "evil corporations", other than those favored by the govt, fail unless they provide a service or good the public wants at the offered the price.
The govt on the hand jails you if you dont comply with its garbage.
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If only corportations ran everything including our inept government.Perhaps the government would make a profit if Apple ran it instead of the dopes that run it now.
They do run the government. Most legislation that gets passed is influenced directly by corporations and often written by them.
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The so called "evil corporations", other than those favored by the govt, fail unless they provide a service or good the public wants at the offered the price.
The govt on the hand jails you if you dont comply with its garbage.
man, you are one naive sombitch....
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right, just like I said, if you don't like it, take off and go live in the Alaskan wilderness. 3333, you shut the fuck up. By the rightwing understanding of things, I've earned the right to speak my mind more than you or have you served?
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You can speak your mind, no one is stopping you from that.
As far as the thread is concerned like I said, what corporations do you feel "subjected to." I agree on insurance and banks, but what else.
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man, you are one naive sombitch....
Right, cuz MickeyD's is sending out the cops to lock me up when I choose Wendy's.
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You can speak your mind, no one is stopping you from that.
As far as the thread is concerned like I said, what corporations do you feel "subjected to." I agree on insurance and banks, but what else.
you're still missing my point so neverfucking mind. Once again we'll go the path you want. Since you want to continue down this path, once again, the corporations and big bankers have far more influence over government than the people. In that respect, we're all "subject to" corporations and bankers more than representives serving the people.
and if I can speak my mind, don't fucking tell me to STFU.
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They do run the government. Most legislation that gets passed is influenced directly by corporations and often written by them.
The way the government works is NOTHING like a coporation works.Coporations have to make a profit,the government just prints more.Bad ideas in buisiness are weeded out because of profit.Here is a bet.If you put nothing in the government except CEOs and buisiness people and got rid of the fool ass pointy headed intellectuals and lawyers,we would be a hell of a lot better off.
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you're still missing my point so neverfucking mind. Once again we'll go the path you want. Since you want to continue down this path, once again, the corporations and big bankers have far more influence over government than the people. In that respect, we're all "subject to" corporations and bankers more than representives serving the people.
and if I can speak my mind, don't fucking tell me to STFU.
Than say the banks and we are on the same page. However, the term "corporation" applies to everyone from resturants, energy, health care, professional services, etc.
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not the point I'm addressing. Just establishing the point. Is it true that as time has gone along, the domain of corporations has increased and is increasing? But yes, there are evil corporations. Hi Monsanto, but not my purpose in this thread.
from the videos you posted on monsanto, i agree yes they look pretty evil.
i just don't understand where people are anti-corporation when you have wal-mart, walgreens, kroger, catepillar, coke, ford, walgreens +++ hundreds more companies that make shit we want and need and that employ millions of people keeping this economy going.
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The way the government works is NOTHING like a coporation works.Coporations have to make a profit,the government just prints more.Bad ideas in buisiness are weeded out because of profit.Here is a bet.If you put nothing in the government except CEOs and buisiness people and got rid of the fool ass pointy headed intellectuals and lawyers,we would be a hell of a lot better off.
uh, yea, that's nice. Has nothing to do with what we were talking about. Fact is Corporations have more pull with our government than the people do. Nothing you just said addresses what so many have clearly exposed for years and years. Even this healthcare shit, as 333 and others exposed, it turns out to be largely at the behest of corporations that will benefit. The insurance companies are going to cash in and again as 333 exposed quite some time ago, they were very involved in what the final outcome was to be from the start. Smart investors see it, why else are certain involved stocks going up.
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from the videos you posted on monsanto, i agree yes they look pretty evil.
i just don't understand where people are anti-corporation when you have wal-mart, walgreens, kroger, catepillar, coke, ford, walgreens +++ hundreds more companies that make shit we want and need and that employ millions of people keeping this economy going.
I admit being a sucker for Coke. I love that shit more than it loves me. Can't drink much of it without it killing my kidneys for some reason. So yea, I'm a fan of some corporations, but not really a fan of corporations being considered a person. There are so many things wrong with that, I could go on and on with it.
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but lol that nobody could admit or idenity the reality that less can be done today without entering one or more corporate domains. Not one person could say, yea, true what's your point :D
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but lol that nobody could admit or idenity the reality that less can be done today without entering one or more corporate domains. Not one person could say, yea, true what's your point :D
What about the Amish?
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How could less be done? What exactly was done 100 years ago that can't be done today without a corporation? Most of the luxuries we enjoy today weren't around then. There was no TV. No internet. No movies. Nothing. People went to work, came home and ate before going to bed and repeated. So what exactly has changed in the last 100 years? You mean these corporations are offering you luxuries that YOU choose to take full advantage of? You can live like they did 100 years ago. Move to Alaska and make just enough to get by while living in your shack. Or somewhere in bumfucksville, Montana. Maybe you can listen to the radio for a bit before bed every night or read a book.
People who bitch about corporations while taking full advantage of everything they offer crack me up.
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How could less be done? What exactly was done 100 years ago that can't be done today without a corporation? Most of the luxuries we enjoy today weren't around then. There was no TV. No internet. No movies. Nothing. People went to work, came home and ate before going to bed and repeated. So what exactly has changed in the last 100 years? You mean these corporations are offering you luxuries that YOU choose to take full advantage of? You can live like they did 100 years ago. Move to Alaska and make just enough to get by while living in your shack. Or somewhere in bumfucksville, Montana. Maybe you can listen to the radio for a bit before bed every night or read a book.
People who bitch about corporations while taking full advantage of everything they offer crack me up.
I wasn't talking about less being done. I was talking what percentage of what's done is in the corporate domain and that it's increasing. Today, in your daily activities or whatever you do, you're more likely to do it crossing into corporate domains to get it done. That's just a simple fact. I didn't even get to a point yet. First wanted to see if people could admit that much, otherwise any point made is well, pointless so I won't go there if people can't see that first..
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I wasn't talking about less being done. I was talking what percentage of what's done is in the corporate domain and that it's increasing. Today, in your daily activities or whatever you do, you're more likely to do it crossing into corporate domains to get it done. That's just a simple fact. I didn't even get to a point yet. First wanted to see if people could admit that much, otherwise any point made is well, pointless so I won't go there if people can't see that first..
yes i agree.
woke up from nice bed sheets made by a corporation
had coffee made by a corporation
took a huge shit on a toilet made by a corporation
wipe with corporation toilet paper and that's all before going to work or the corporate gym
i think we agree other than like 3333 said the amish may not agree.
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ok fellas, nevermind.
why would people need to even bring up silly things like a passenger bill of rights.... dumbasses...
So as we go along and more and more roads and other services become privatized and of course the corporations do not have the same obligations to the people in regards to rights, I promise not to bring it up when everything you do or say is in the corporate domain.
You'll still have the option of going into the wilderness, if you miss the constitution and government by the people for the people, where you can spend your time yelling at a rock. Just don't call your rock Wilson. That name is taken.
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Hugo if you are not happy about what you perceive as being the "evil corporations" subjecting your life, you are free to lead the life of a pioneer in the wildnerness. No one is stopping you from that.
Additionally, you have many choices not to patronize those corps you believe are evil.
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Hugo if you are not happy about what you perceive as being the "evil corporations" subjecting your life, you are free to lead the life of a pioneer in the wildnerness. No one is stopping you from that.
Additionally, you have many choices not to patronize those corps you believe are evil.
Wow, where did you come up with that brilliant comeback? Me? Ever think that I mentioned it right away because I knew that would be the silly retort most likely used by dimwits? Or as usual did you not read my posts?
I know one thing, you quite intentionally missed my preparatory points if you did read them.
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Wow, where did you come up with that brilliant comeback? Me? Ever think that I mentioned it right away because I knew that would be the silly retort most likely used by dimwits? Or as usual did you not read my posts?
I know one thing, you quite intentionally missed my preparatory points if you did read them.
No. I am being realistic.
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No. I am being realistic.
No you're wanting to change it to what you wanted to talk about, AGAIN... I wasn't even going down the road that would bring your comments, such as your evil corp comment into play. But you do what you do everytime. Most likely why I detest you. Epic failure to communicate.
Oh and i think it's obvious you do it on purpose. If not, you would take a second acknowledge you don't get what I'm saying and ask for clarification. But you never do that, you slowly but surely switch the points to what you wanted to hear and reply to.
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ok fellas, nevermind.
why would people need to even bring up silly things like a passenger bill of rights.... dumbasses...
So as we go along and more and more roads and other services become privatized and of course the corporations do not have the same obligations to the people in regards to rights, I promise not to bring it up when everything you do or say is in the corporate domain.
You'll still have the option of going into the wilderness, if you miss the constitution and government by the people for the people, where you can spend your time yelling at a rock. Just don't call your rock Wilson. That name is taken.
i don't get this. when you say passenger bill of rights are you talking about the new airline regulation where they can't keep us on the tarmac for more than 3 hours or something else?
and yes, i am a dumbass since i had no idea that is what you're talking about if it is. i don't frequent this place enough to read minds.
hugo, i think you're a good man but you have to bear with some of us who don't know as much about political shit as the rest of you people on this board.
can you spell out what 'roads and other services' are becoming privatized and why it's bad for me and other dumbasses like me?
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No you're wanting to change it to what you wanted to talk about, AGAIN... I wasn't even going down the road that would bring your comments, such as your evil corp comment into play. But you do what you do everytime. Most likely why I detest you. Epic failure to communicate.
Hysterical. You bring up a point that you can't defend or seriously articulate, and then you lash out at at others when your point is made a complete mockery of?
GMAFB.
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i don't get this. when you say passenger bill of rights are you talking about the new airline regulation where they can't keep us on the tarmac for more than 3 hours or something else?
and yes, i am a dumbass since i had no idea that is what you're talking about if it is. i don't frequent this place enough to read minds.
hugo, i think you're a good man but you have to bear with some of us who don't know as much about political shit as the rest of you people on this board.
can you spell out what 'roads and other services' are becoming privatized and why it's bad for me and other dumbasses like me?
I didn't mean to directly call you a dumbass, sorry. I'll put together a more epic post later on which gives perspectives and makes a more solid case. Only problem with that, nobody will read it lol... Dammed if you post a well though out argument, dammed if you want to take it in baby steps when out of sure stubborness, nobody will even admit a basic truth for fear they might step into and argument they don't like.
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Hysterical. You bring up a point that you can't defend or seriously articulate, and then you lash out at at others when your point is made a complete mockery of?
GMAFB.
oh fuck you, we never even got to a point. You changed it to what I wasn't even talking about and now you're nailing me for not defending it? With your first switcharoo, you couldn't even prove me wrong on that even though that's not what I wanted to talk about. Why, because you know corporate America has greater influence with government by far than the people. Your reply to that? nada... So what you first switched it to, you couldn't even defend. So fuck you pal.
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oh fuck you, we never even got to a point. You changed it to what I wasn't even talking about and now you're nailing me for not defending it? With your first switcharoo, you couldn't even prove me wrong on that even though that's not what I wanted to talk about. Why, because you know corporate America has greater influence with government by far than the people. Your reply to that? nada... So what you first switched it to, you couldn't even defend. So fuck you pal.
Bro - do you have diaper rash today? What the hell is wrong with you?
As for the "evil corporations", I already said they cant all be grouped in the same bunch. I agree with you on banks and insurance, but no others.
I say banks and insurance because the govt basically mandates you carry both. However, I LMAO at people who cry about corporations like Microsoft, Apple, Nike, McDonalds, etc.
If you dont like it , SSTTFFUU and dont buy their stuff.
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uh, yea, that's nice. Has nothing to do with what we were talking about. Fact is Corporations have more pull with our government than the people do. Nothing you just said addresses what so many have clearly exposed for years and years. Even this healthcare shit, as 333 and others exposed, it turns out to be largely at the behest of corporations that will benefit. The insurance companies are going to cash in and again as 333 exposed quite some time ago, they were very involved in what the final outcome was to be from the start. Smart investors see it, why else are certain involved stocks going up.
The point is,if you put REAL buisiness guys in there whos job it was to make the country run efficiantly,these lobbyists would be useless.These guys would be bottom line guys who wouldnt be swayed by slick talking corporations.Their only goal would be to turn a profit and make the thing run well.
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The point is,if you put REAL buisiness guys in there whos job it was to make the country run efficiantly,these lobbyists would be useless.These guys would be bottom line guys who wouldnt be swayed by slick talking corporations.Their only goal would be to turn a profit and make the thing run well.
The only reason these corps have so much power is that the Govt is spending so much damn money in the first place. The Corps are basically fighting over who gets the most money from the taxpayer.
If you want to end this, the Govt needs to stop spending money like it does, go back to its constitutional functions, end the Federal Reserve, enact term limits, enact budget reform, and cut the govt by 50% at least.
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I didn't mean to directly call you a dumbass, sorry. I'll put together a more epic post later on which gives perspectives and makes a more solid case. Only problem with that, nobody will read it lol... Dammed if you post a well though out argument, dammed if you want to take it in baby steps when out of sure stubborness, nobody will even admit a basic truth for fear they might step into and argument they don't like.
thanks man no problem ;D
i am interested in your views and i'll read your entire upcoming post and comments about it.
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The point is,if you put REAL buisiness guys in there whos job it was to make the country run efficiantly,these lobbyists would be useless.These guys would be bottom line guys who wouldnt be swayed by slick talking corporations.Their only goal would be to turn a profit and make the thing run well.
Ok, we're still talking about what 333 wanted to talk about but at this point, we might as well because we're sure not going to get to where I was going :D Billy, explain a little more, I'm listening, just want to make sure I'm understanding what your saying and why you're saying it. Unlike 333, I'm willing to ask questions when I'm not positive I follow. Give me a little more info on what you're saying and I'll reply. What exactly are you proposing and why? thanks.
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Ok, we're still talking about what 333 wanted to talk about but at this point, we might as well because we're sure not going to get to where I was going :D Billy, explain a little more, I'm listening, just want to make sure I'm understanding what your saying and why you're saying it. Unlike 333, I'm willing to ask questions when I'm not positive I follow. Give me a little more info on what you're saying and I'll reply. What exactly are you proposing and why? thanks.
Bro - your original point was if we are more "subjected" to corporations than 100 years ago. Others brought up good points on this nad you brush off everyone unless it agrees with your notion.
I agreed with you on the banks and insurance, but not to others since those you have a choice in dealing with or not.
So what brilliant, insightful, thoughtful, and philisophocal point did I miss?
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Over the last hundred years, the daily lives of Americans have become more and more subject to corporations? That is, over time, we can't nearly do as many things without entering one or more corporate domains? And as we see more and more things privatized, it's still becoming greater every day?
But hell, in 20 years, if you don't like it, well, fuck your rights, you can stay at home or go it alone in the Alaskan wilderness.
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How does McDonalds, Apple, Microsoft, Texas Instrumnents, Goodyear, Pepsi, Coke, AOL, Sony, Burger King, Brother, Staples, Office Depot, Applebees, Smith & Wesson, Toyota, Ruger, Under Armour, Nike, Adidas, Kellogs, Kraft, violate your rights Hugo?
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Bro - your original point was if we are more "subjected" to corporations than 100 years ago. Others brought up good points on this nad you brush off everyone unless it agrees with your notion.
I agreed with you on the banks and insurance, but not to others since those you have a choice in dealing with or not.
So what brilliant, insightful, thoughtful, and philisophocal point did I miss?
no dumb dumb head. You were all taking what I meant by "subjected" wrong. So I tried my best to explain what I meant by that and you had no interest in it and showed no interest in asking for clarification on what I meant.
3333, it's very conceivable that someday and maybe soon, that everywhere you go and most of what you do, you'll be in the corporate domain doing it. I assume you're a-ok with that?
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no dumb dumb head. You were all taking what I meant by "subjected" wrong. So I tried my best to explain what I meant by that and you had no interest in it and showed no interest in asking for clarification on what I meant.
3333, it's very conceivable that someday and maybe soon, that everywhere you go and most of what you do, you'll be in the corporate domain doing it. I assume you're a-ok with that?
I am not concerned with those corporations I am free to choose to patronize or not. For example, if I dont like Coke because they are funding political things I dont agree with, I can always seek another company who does not do that or not drink Soda at all. Same for Beer, etc. I used to drink Corona and Miller Lite. Now I drink Sam Adams.
Same with every other good or service that I have a choice about whether it be clothing, computers, music, etc.
HOWEVER, when we get to the banks and insurance companies I am in agreement with you since they own the govt and we have no choice.
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Over the last hundred years, the daily lives of Americans have become more and more subject to corporations? That is, over time, we can't nearly do as many things without entering one or more corporate domains? And as we see more and more things privatized, it's still becoming greater every day?
But hell, in 20 years, if you don't like it, well, fuck your rights, you can stay at home or go it alone in the Alaskan wilderness.
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How does McDonalds, Apple, Microsoft, Texas Instrumnents, Goodyear, Pepsi, Coke, AOL, Sony, Burger King, Brother, Staples, Office Depot, Applebees, Smith & Wesson, Toyota, Ruger, Under Armour, Nike, Adidas, Kellogs, Kraft, violate your rights Hugo?
once again, this is where you took what I was saying wrong. I'm willing to admit I did not word what I wanted to say the best that I could have. But that you ignore my later posts trying to rightly express what I meant is pure bullshit. Once again you are totally unwilling to even ask what I meant but you need me to mean what you want me to mean. That my myopic friend is pure garbage and why I can't take you serious.
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I am not concerned with those corporations I am free to choose to patronize or not. For example, if I dont like Coke because they are funding political things I dont agree with, I can always seek another company who does not do that or not drink Soda at all. Same for Beer, etc. I used to drink Corona and Miller Lite. Now I drink Sam Adams.
Same with every other good or service that I have a choice about whether it be clothing, computers, music, etc.
HOWEVER, when we get to the banks and insurance companies I am in agreement with you since they own the govt and we have no choice.
well if that's what you wanted to talk about, I should have just waited for you to start a thread on it ::) What was I thinking lol...
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well if that's what you wanted to talk about, I should have just waited for you to start a thread on it ::) What was I thinking lol...
No, you should have been more specific on what you meant in terms of "corporation" since that could apply to something as small as a corner pizzaria or something as large at Dominoes.
A corporation can be as small as a one person corp incorporated for personal liabilitty reasons or something as big Coca Cola.
The way you used the term encompassed everything and that is why you got some of the responses you did.
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You know 3333, you're a bit like trying to debate with a lawyer. Nearly pointless endevour where no judge or jury exists. Oh wait... forgot.... Lawyer was your first path. guess your solid, unwilling, unrelenting style makes sense now.
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You know 3333, you're a bit like trying to debate with a lawyer. Nearly pointless endevour where no judge or jury exists. Oh wait... forgot.... Lawyer was your first path. guess your solid, unwilling, unrelenting style makes sense now.
No, I was trying to figure out your point since it could be interpreted any number of ways, one in which you are correct, and some of which you are off base.
On the banks and insurance companies, you are 100% correct. The banks are robbing us blind and destroying this country.
However, other companies offer great products at incredibly great prices. My Blackberry Curve for example is amazing in its utility for $49.00. My netbook from Asus for $299 is another example of a corporation producing great products at fair values. The Ipod etc
On a side note, you really should read "Creature from Jekyll Island". Its almost a CT on every page documented by fact as to how the banks are robbing us blind and how the taxpayer is getting royally screwed daily by the govt and banks.
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No, I was trying to figure out your point since it could be interpreted any number of ways, one in which you are correct, and some of which you are off base.
On the banks and insurance companies, you are 100% correct. The banks are robbing us blind and destroying this country.
However, other companies offer great products at incredibly great prices. My Blackberry Curve for example is amazing in its utility for $49.00. My netbook from Asus for $299 is another example of a corporation producing great products at fair values. The Ipod etc
On a side note, you really should read "Creature from Jekyll Island". Its almost a CT on every page documented by fact as to how the banks are robbing us blind and how the taxpayer is getting royally screwed daily by the govt and banks.
Then why did you ignore my later attempts and trying to clarify what I meant? Why not take those and specifically say you're not following and ask for more clarification? Instead you skipped over those attempts and continued with what you wanted it to mean.
I'll pick up a copy of the book when I get a chance.
PS, you're still not onto what I wanted to say. I'm not sure I can express it right for a lawyer. The only thing I was trying to get at is that we increasingly have to deal with "the corporation" in our daily lives and there hasn't been a lul in that. That's all I wanted to establish. Yes, maybe I could have been more clear but you certainly didn't make it easy by ignoring me when I was trying to make it clear.
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by the way, the fucking box I'm typing is, for some unknown reason jumps up and down with each letter I type so for some odd reason I can't see what I'm typing, it's jumping all over the fucking screen so If I'm botching these posts, that's why. Just upgraded to the new explorer, don't know if that's why.
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Then why did you ignore my later attempts and trying to clarify what I meant? Why not take those and specifically say you're not following and ask for more clarification? Instead you skipped over those attempts and continued with what you wanted it to mean.
I'll pick up a copy of the book when I get a chance.
PS, you're still not onto what I wanted to say. I'm not sure I can express it right for a lawyer. The only thing I was trying to get at is that we increasingly have to deal with "the corporation" in our daily lives and there hasn't been a lul in that. That's all I wanted to establish. Yes, maybe I could have been more clear but you certainly didn't make it easy by ignoring me when I was trying to make it clear.
If you mean a govt/bank/insurance/media complex yes I agree.
I think on the whole cap & trade thing, some of us proved conclusively that is all about GE, Wall Street, GS and others. Same for Health Care.
I think Ratigan coined the phrase "corporate communists" and that is the best and most accurate descrption I have heard yet.
Notice how he has been STFU since he smacked down Wasserman-Schultz?
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wow... uh... at some point when you decided not to continue with law, did it involve a wooden mallet flying across the courtroom and smacking you in the head?
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Dude, are you ok today?
Serious - you seem a little off.
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I seem off? You might to if I followed your threads around with the same tactics you give me. But no, I'm just fine. you know exactly what it is you're doing and don't think it's not going to have blowback for you here.
I seriously have no clue what you are referring to other than pointing out the contradictions in your post topic and how it was worded.