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...their governments can instantaneously come up with $1 billion for the earthquake victims? Socialism works wonders! ::)
Hugo Chavez The citizens live like Kings apparently.
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...their governments can instantaneously come up with $1 billion for the earthquake victims? Socialism works wonders! ::)
Hugo Chavez The citizens live like Kings apparently.
Socialism/Communism is an evil failure where it is enacted.
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Socialism/Communism is an evil failure where it is enacted.
Do you find it as funny as I do that some people will sing the praises of it yet every country that can be considered socialist/communist is a complete economic/social failure?
Most Venezuelans and Cubans live in squalor. Perhaps their governments should chip off some of the billions they're stealing.
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...their governments can instantaneously come up with $1 billion for the earthquake victims? Socialism works wonders! ::)
Hugo Chavez The citizens live like Kings apparently.
It's really pretty simple, BF. They aren't sending billions in foreign aid all the time.
Venezuela has oil and Castro's people reached huge deals with General/Altadis over trademark infringements in anticipation of the embargo ending.
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It's really pretty simple, BF. They aren't sending billions in foreign aid all the time.
Venezuela has oil and Castro's people reached huge deals with General/Altadis over trademark infringements in anticipation of the embargo ending.
Yes, that's understandable. But why is the government not putting this money back into the economy? The power elite like Hugo Chavez live like kings while the rest of the country lives in complete squalor pretty much goes against everything socialism (which he espouses the values of) stands for.
All this oil money (enough to send off $1 billion instantaneously) and the people are broke and uneducated. Does anyone not see the irony in this? Socialism works! ::)
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Yes, that's understandable. But why is the government not putting this money back into the economy? The power elite like Hugo Chavez live like kings while the rest of the country lives in complete squalor pretty much goes against everything socialism (which he espouses the values of) stands for.
All this oil money (enough to send off $1 billion instantaneously) and the people are broke and uneducated. Does anyone not see the irony in this? Socialism works! ::)
People I've met that visited Cuba said it was beautiful. They weren't tourists and didn't feel the country sucked ass. I'm not pro-communist, obviously, but the Cuban people do have some advantages we lack. In the same vein, there are a lot of medications outlawed here for side effects that still get used.
In the long run, a billion dollars is probably cheaper than an influx of immigrants into a poorer.
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...their governments can instantaneously come up with $1 billion for the earthquake victims? Socialism works wonders! ::)
Hugo Chavez The citizens live like Kings apparently.
gets your facts right. They didn't come up with 1 billion for earthquake victims. I never said they did. I was talking about past money for haiti. That was from 2007 if I remember right. Plus don't pretend to have any interest in an honest debate on Hugo Chavez. In the past you've refused to consider anything I've posted, won't review the material and pretty much just state that you're not going to, yet you'll go on to make your own claims based on material written by enemies of Chavez and expect for it to be taken as gospel without question. In short, I'd rather waste time on a multitude of other things than argue with someone who refuses to even look at anything brought to the debate other than what they bring. Thanks but no thanks.
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gets your facts right. They didn't come up with 1 billion for earthquake victims. I never said they did. I was talking about past money for haiti. That was from 2007 if I remember right. Plus don't pretend to have any interest in an honest debate on Hugo Chavez. In the past you've refused to consider anything I've posted, won't review the material and pretty much just state that you're not going to, yet you'll go on to make your own claims based on material written by enemies of Chavez and expect for it to be taken as gospel without question. In short, I'd rather waste time on a multitude of other things than argue with someone who refuses to even look at anything brought to the debate other than what they bring. Thanks but no thanks.
Hahaha, what a lying sack of shit. You said "Venezuela and Cuba just pledged $1 billion".
Feel free to go back and edit your post in that thread, though.
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Socialism/Communism is an evil failure where it is enacted.
Yeah, and capitialism is working like a dream! ::)
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Yeah, and capitialism is working like a dream! ::)
Much better than socialism/communism has worked out. ::)
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Hahaha, what a lying sack of shit. You said "Venezuela and Cuba just pledged $1 billion".
Feel free to go back and edit your post in that thread, though.
no i did't. look it up.
i didn't say just and didn't mean for it to be taken that way. otherwise i would have said "just" i did not. and no i did not edit it. ask ron if you're so worried trollboy.
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no i did't. look it up.
i didn't say just and didn't mean for it to be taken that way. otherwise i would have said "just" i did not. and no i did not edit it. ask ron if you're so worried trollboy.
Well, I'll admit I misinterpreted that. I thought you meant that they had already created once in the early hours after the earthquake. Either way, it doesn't change the argument. These countries have hundreds of millions of dollars to throw around while the people live in squalor.
I just noticed the title under your avatar as well. Nice ring to it. You must be one of those douches that values the lives of animals above those of humans. ::)
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People in Venezuela have pretty good standard of living. There are problems with Chavez obviously. But before him all the oil money was plundered by foreign oil companies. He at least put an end to that.
One could argue that the oil richness should be used wiser. But at least they now have one.
It will be interesting to see if Venezuela can continue to rise economically.
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People in Venezuela have pretty good standard of living. There are problems with Chavez obviously. But before him all the oil money was plundered by foreign oil companies. He at least put an end to that.
One could argue that the oil richness should be used wiser. But at least they now have one.
It will be interesting to see if Venezuela can continue to rise economically.
Their standard of living isn't anywhere close to where it should be given how much money the state makes off oil.
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People in Venezuela have pretty good standard of living. There are problems with Chavez obviously. But before him all the oil money was plundered by foreign oil companies. He at least put an end to that.
One could argue that the oil richness should be used wiser. But at least they now have one.
It will be interesting to see if Venezuela can continue to rise economically.
There's a shit load of statistics that show the poor are better off under Chavez than they were before. Of course you can't just end poverty overnight. It takes time for literacy to go up along with other factors. But BF has no interest in any of that. and yes, you're right, Hugo has his problems. I would just say they're nowhere near as bad as what our media portrays.
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Their standard of living isn't anywhere close to where it should be given how much money the state makes off oil.
So it's not good enough that it's better, that they have a better chance of putting food on their tables, becoming educated, having better access to medical services, on and on... your issue is that Hugo didn't make them all middle class overnight? lol... Are you saying that they are no better off under Hugo?
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When compared to the rest of the region, Cuba fares MUCH, MUCH BETTER than its neighbors. Even though we've had an embargo on them since the 50s I believe.
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Maybe it's 1 billion in Cuban dollars---- Which is about 2 thousand Euros or 1750 US.
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When compared to the rest of the region, Cuba fares MUCH, MUCH BETTER than its neighbors. Even though we've had an embargo on them since the 50s I believe.
It's not hard to have the nicest house on the block when you live in the section 8 ghetto.
Plant a few flowers and you're the man....
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It's not hard to have the nicest house on the block when you live in the section 8 ghetto.
Plant a few flowers and you're the man....
Hahahaha. Truth.
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Comparing them to our higher standard of living is silly.
In Antigua we visited some of the poorer sections. No Lie, these people were so poor it was rude.
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Comparing them to our higher standard of living is silly.
In Antigua we visited some of the poorer sections. No Lie, these people were so poor it was rude.
If only Michael Corleone & Hyman Roth got their damn deal done!
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If only Michael Corleone & Hyman Roth got their damn deal done!
Once, we visited the rain forrest and there were people living in shanty shacks. Was odd... imagine being dirt poor in one of the world's most beautiful places. Our poor people really don't have a clue what poverty is like in third/second world countries once you're a little off the grid.
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Comparing them to our higher standard of living is silly.
In Antigua we visited some of the poorer sections. No Lie, these people were so poor it was rude.
So socialism/communism doesn't work? Thanks for acknowledging that.
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So socialism/communism doesn't work? Thanks for acknowledging that.
Antigua isn't communist/socialist but they do have Govt healthcare. Not high quality healthcare considering their population is only around 70,000 on an 118 square mile island.
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It's not hard to have the nicest house on the block when you live in the section 8 ghetto.
Plant a few flowers and you're the man....
Yes, but that's not the point. None of the other Caribbean islands are under a commercial embargo by the world's only superpower.
Not only is Cuba doing fine under repressive economic conditions, it is a cultural and social powerhouse with some indices that us here in the USA wish we had, like close to 100% literacy rate or a healthcare system way beyond what we have.
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And by my comment I do not want to make it seem I agree with Castro or the communist ideals, I am merely pointing out that neither are we the best at everything nor is Cuba the worst at everything.
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So socialism/communism doesn't work? Thanks for acknowledging that.
I donno, Canada is doing pretty fucking good with its socialism.
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I donno, Canada is doing pretty fucking good with its socialism.
They have crazy taxes.
We should have never, ever....... ever allowed NAFTA to pass.
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They have crazy taxes.
We should have never, ever....... ever allowed NAFTA to pass.
I don't disagree. But they aren't dealing with what we are dealing with and they haven't been taken over by chains. There are small privately owned businesses all over the place.
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Cuban healthcare sucks and I know people who have dealt with it. The only reason they rank where they do is because the UN's ranking favorites socialized healthcare systems. Take out the bias, and there's not a country in the world that can touch the US.
We need reform, granted, but all this crap about this country and that country having better healthcare systems when the only evidence they can point to is a biased UN study is just more bullshit from the ignorant.
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I don't disagree. But they aren't dealing with what we are dealing with and they haven't been taken over by chains. There are small privately owned businesses all over the place.
So that's one somewhat successful (arguable) country and a laundry list of failures.
Cuban healthcare sucks and I know people who have dealt with it. The only reason they rank where they do is because the UN's ranking favorites socialized healthcare systems. Take out the bias, and there's not a country in the world that can touch the US.
We need reform, granted, but all this crap about this country and that country having better healthcare systems when the only evidence they can point to is a biased UN study is just more bullshit from the ignorant.
Most Cubans earn an average of $16.70/month. I guess that's good, too. Haha.
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I don't disagree. But they aren't dealing with what we are dealing with and they haven't been taken over by chains. There are small privately owned businesses all over the place.
It's also cold up there. That's a concept Jake cannot cosign.
Besides, Canada has a two tiered system that allows people with actual wealth to get better care. Their tax rates are freaking crazy and that's before the VAT. Stop all spending outside the US, cancel NAFTA/GAT, return manufacturing to our own shores and we'll be fine in ten years.
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socialism rocks, if you're the one controlling the money
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socialism rocks, if you're the one controlling the money
The same can be said for Capitalism. :)
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The same can be said for Capitalism. :)
That's what lazy poor people say. :)
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That's what lazy poor people say. :)
"What is a Communist? One who has yearnings for equal division of unequal earnings."
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Much better than socialism/communism has worked out. ::)
Really now? I think most of the Scandinavian countries would have something to say about that. I'm in favour of a socio capitalist system where personal responsibility is celebrated along with a helping hand from the state for rough patches. Communism is an interesting idea, but in theory it is almost impossible to make it work due to inevitable corruption, nepotism and humans in politicians in general being greedy fame hungry imbeciles. People that slam socialism or compare if with pure communism generally don't have a fucking clue what they're on about and most likely get their 'info' from scaremongering idiotic, biased media sources.
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Really now? I think most of the Scandinavian countries would have something to say about that. I'm in favour of a socio capitalist system where personal responsibility is celebrated along with a helping hand from the state for rough patches. Communism is an interesting idea, but in theory it is almost impossible to make it work due to inevitable corruption, nepotism and humans in politicians in general being greedy fame hungry imbeciles. People that slam socialism or compare if with pure communism generally don't have a fucking clue what they're on about and most likely get their 'info' from scaremongering idiotic, biased media sources.
Sweden's economy takes full advantage of capitalism. ::)
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Sweden's economy takes full advantage of capitalism. ::)
Please read up and familiarise yourself with a socio capitalist idea. Or are you so brainwashed that just the word socialism scares you?
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Please read up and familiarise yourself with a socio capitalist idea. Or are you so brainwashed that just the word socialism scares you?
I didn't know we were talking about socio-capitalism in this thread. Pretty sure this thread is referring to socialism and not "socialism" that takes full advantage of the benefits of capitalism. ::)
Are you so stupid that you can't differentiate between the topic of this thread and what you're trying to spin it into? Move along gimmick.
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I didn't know we were talking about socio-capitalism in this thread. Pretty sure this thread is referring to socialism and not "socialism" that takes full advantage of the benefits of capitalism. ::)
Are you so stupid that you can't differentiate between the topic of this thread and what you're trying to spin it into? Move along gimmick.
Wrong, you're so thick that you cannot differentiate between the different degrees of socialism in active practice or available for discussion. Your obvious tiny mind and non-existent intelligent opinion on this subject start and end with FUD. Face it, you're a brainwashed clitoris that is playing the right wing party line. Go play in simpler threads or threads that contain subject matter you can contribute something sensible to. Just make sure it's dumbed down enough for you ;)
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Wrong, you're so thick that you cannot differentiate between the different degrees of socialism in active practice or available for discussion. Your obvious tiny mind and non-existent intelligent opinion on this subject start and end with FUD. Face it, you're a brainwashed clitoris that is playing the right wing party line. Go play in simpler threads or threads that contain subject matter you can contribute something sensible to. Just make sure it's dumbed down enough for you ;)
The fuck are you rambling about? This thread was not started to talk about the different degrees of socialism. It was started to talk about socialism. Not socio-capitalism (which is what you're focusing on). You're trying to spin this into a conversation about that which I'm not interested in.
Your argument is only proving my point, though. Funny how every government that's tried to go socialist ends up incorporating capitalist policies into their economy. Thanks for playing. ::)
Nice meltdown, though. Seems like someone's mad. And you reek of a Hugo Chavez gimmick.
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The fuck are you rambling about? This thread was not started to talk about the different degrees of socialism. It was started to talk about socialism. Not socio-capitalism (which is what you're focusing on). You're trying to spin this into a conversation about that.
Your argument is only proving my point, though. Funny how every government that's tried to go socialist ends up incorporating capitalist policies into their economy. Thanks for playing. ::)
Nice meltdown, though. Seems like someone's mad.
You don't know what socialism is. Your posts smacks of clueless-ness. Let me guess. High Taxes, government hand holding, free shit you don't have to work for like the good 'ole capitalist system? USSR? Your comment on Sweden made me laugh yesterday. Yes, I laughed at a poster on a forum the first time in years. What do you know exactly about Sweden and their economical history and how it came about as it is today? It appears to me capitalist influences is what you champion when socialism-done-right prevails. Did you know that a Rasmussen Report (do you even know what that is? ;) ) compiled not even 9 months ago puts Americans under 30 that WANT a complete socialist regulated government only 3% behind those that is in favour of capitalism. A huge rise from a same report done ... 4 months previous.
Ok, I will dumb this down so you can understand as well.
socialism = not bad (I'll leave out authorial-socio, capital-socio, regulated-socio and its flavours out. It confuses and embarrass you)
capitalism = useful, but outliving its usefulness.
If you want any homework links to school yourself properly, I'll be happy to help. I've been teaching and schooling fools for years ;)
Looking forward to your reply tomorrow. Really :)
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I didn't bother reading most of that. I did notice you claiming socialism is better than capitalism (the = signs stuck out in that mass of meltdown) and realized that I was talking to a retard.
And it's pretty clear that you have no idea what you're talking about. But keep typing up 5,000 word posts. It might make you look smart, Hugo. Loving the new gimmick, by the way. 8)
Another socialist retard that can't prove anything beyond melting down and spinning threads off-topic. Thanks for playing. :'(
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Wrong, you're so thick that you cannot differentiate between the different degrees of socialism in active practice or available for discussion. Your obvious tiny mind and non-existent intelligent opinion on this subject start and end with FUD. Face it, you're a brainwashed clitoris that is playing the right wing party line. Go play in simpler threads or threads that contain subject matter you can contribute something sensible to. Just make sure it's dumbed down enough for you ;)
I would never say this about BF. BF clearly does not side left or right politically. He picks the angle he can best troll for the day week or month.
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I would never say this about BF. BF clearly does not side left or right politically. He picks the angle he can best troll for the day week or month.
Hahahaha!
Why did you lock the Lucifer Project thread, Pocahontas?
I'm surprised you're not trying to team up with this retard and argue how successful socialism has been. LOL.
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Hahahaha!
Why did you lock the Lucifer Project thread, Pocahontas?
I'm surprised you're not trying to team up with this retard and argue how successful socialism has been. LOL.
When you have to bump a thread 4 times in a week and still have no additional responses, people are done with it. All you're doing is bumping a thread we've all read and are not posting in.
I already told you the pointless nature of debating these subjects with you. I'm not wasting my time and I sure in the hell wouldn't waste my time starting a gimmick to do what I don't have any interest in doing. Loco is a better debate opponent on these issues. He's not a troll.
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When you have to bump a thread 4 times in a week and still have no additional responses, people are done with it. All you're doing is bumping a thread we've all read and are not posting in.
I already told you the pointless nature of debating these subjects with you. I'm not wasting my time and I sure in the hell wouldn't waste my time starting a gimmick to do what I don't have any interest in doing. Loco is a better debate opponent on these issues. He's not a troll.
I'm sorry that I have no respect for you. :'(
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I'm sorry that I have no respect for you. :'(
lol, I don't give a flying fuck what you think about me... Thanks for the laugh hahaha...
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lol, I don't give a flying fuck what you think about me... Thanks for the laugh hahaha...
Anything to help you sleep at night, champ. :D
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Thanks for the heads up on this creature Hugo. I was starting to suspect he might just be trolling as a quick scan of his back posts signify a lack of intelligent content, political, historical and economical awareness and no doubt little idea how the world around him works. I've yet to see 'it' provided a basic definition on capitalism that he champions so passionately. Luckily your status in life (as I can tell) affects nothing of importance (unlike mine ;)) so trolling on a forum is what you're reduced to. I'm looking forward exposing your far-reaching ignorance in every thread of intelligence from now on ;)
PS. Keep bringing the insults kiddo, it is truly the last refugee of those with tiny debating skills.
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When you have to bump a thread 4 times in a week and still have no additional responses, people are done with it. All you're doing is bumping a thread we've all read and are not posting in.
I already told you the pointless nature of debating these subjects with you. I'm not wasting my time and I sure in the hell wouldn't waste my time starting a gimmick to do what I don't have any interest in doing. Loco is a better debate opponent on these issues. He's not a troll.
Can only say I look forward debating with you and this Loco fella. Sadly it's rare finding clued-up participants that don't reduced and expose themselves as ignorant bile-tongues. If there is far-reaching, well thought out and presented arguments published, I'll enjoy responding to them :)
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Thanks for the heads up on this creature Hugo. I was starting to suspect he might just be trolling as a quick scan of his back posts signify a lack of intelligent content, political, historical and economical awareness and no doubt little idea how the world around him works. I've yet to see 'it' provided a basic definition on capitalism that he champions so passionately. Luckily your status in life (as I can tell) affects nothing of importance (unlike mine ;)) so trolling on a forum is what you're reduced to. I'm looking forward exposing your far-reaching ignorance in every thread of intelligence from now on ;)
PS. Keep bringing the insults kiddo, it is truly the last refugee of those with tiny debating skills.
you're wasting your time. My advice is to ignore him as much as possible.