How is it Venezuelans/Cubans live in complete poverty yet...

[Slapper]

It's not hard to have the nicest house on the block when you live in the section 8 ghetto.

Plant a few flowers and you're the man....

Yes, but that's not the point. None of the other Caribbean islands are under a commercial embargo by the world's only superpower.

Not only is Cuba doing fine under repressive economic conditions, it is a cultural and social powerhouse with some indices that us here in the USA wish we had, like close to 100% literacy rate or a healthcare system way beyond what we have.

[Slapper]

And by my comment I do not want to make it seem I agree with Castro or the communist ideals, I am merely pointing out that neither are we the best at everything nor is Cuba the worst at everything.

[OzmO]

So socialism/communism doesn't work? Thanks for acknowledging that.

I donno, Canada is doing pretty fucking good with its socialism.

[drkaje]

I donno, Canada is doing pretty fucking good with its socialism.

They have crazy taxes.

We should have never, ever....... ever allowed NAFTA to pass.

[OzmO]

They have crazy taxes.

We should have never, ever....... ever allowed NAFTA to pass.

I don't disagree.  But they aren't dealing with what we are dealing with and they haven't been taken over by chains.  There are small privately owned businesses all over the place.

[Skip8282]

Cuban healthcare sucks and I know people who have dealt with it.  The only reason they rank where they do is because the UN's ranking favorites socialized healthcare systems.  Take out the bias, and there's not a country in the world that can touch the US. 

We need reform, granted, but all this crap about this country and that country having better healthcare systems when the only evidence they can point to is a biased UN study is just more bullshit from the ignorant.

[Fury]

I don't disagree.  But they aren't dealing with what we are dealing with and they haven't been taken over by chains.  There are small privately owned businesses all over the place.

So that's one somewhat successful (arguable) country and a laundry list of failures.

Cuban healthcare sucks and I know people who have dealt with it.  The only reason they rank where they do is because the UN's ranking favorites socialized healthcare systems.  Take out the bias, and there's not a country in the world that can touch the US. 

We need reform, granted, but all this crap about this country and that country having better healthcare systems when the only evidence they can point to is a biased UN study is just more bullshit from the ignorant.

Most Cubans earn an average of $16.70/month. I guess that's good, too. Haha.

[drkaje]

I don't disagree.  But they aren't dealing with what we are dealing with and they haven't been taken over by chains.  There are small privately owned businesses all over the place.

It's also cold up there. That's a concept Jake cannot cosign.

Besides, Canada has a two tiered system that allows people with actual wealth to get better care. Their tax rates are freaking crazy and that's before the VAT. Stop all spending outside the US, cancel NAFTA/GAT, return manufacturing to our own shores and we'll be fine in ten years.

[240 is Back]

socialism rocks, if you're the one controlling the money

[drkaje]

socialism rocks, if you're the one controlling the money

The same can be said for Capitalism.

[Fury]

The same can be said for Capitalism.

That's what lazy poor people say. 

[drkaje]

That's what lazy poor people say. 

"What is a Communist? One who has yearnings for equal division of unequal earnings."

[James28]

Much better than socialism/communism has worked out. 

Really now? I think most of the Scandinavian countries would have something to say about that. I'm in favour of a socio capitalist system where personal responsibility is celebrated along with a helping hand from the state for rough patches. Communism is an interesting idea, but in theory it is almost impossible to make it work due to inevitable corruption, nepotism and humans in politicians in general being greedy fame hungry imbeciles. People that slam socialism or compare if with pure communism generally don't have a fucking clue what they're on about and most likely get their 'info' from scaremongering idiotic, biased media sources.

[Fury]

Really now? I think most of the Scandinavian countries would have something to say about that. I'm in favour of a socio capitalist system where personal responsibility is celebrated along with a helping hand from the state for rough patches. Communism is an interesting idea, but in theory it is almost impossible to make it work due to inevitable corruption, nepotism and humans in politicians in general being greedy fame hungry imbeciles. People that slam socialism or compare if with pure communism generally don't have a fucking clue what they're on about and most likely get their 'info' from scaremongering idiotic, biased media sources.

Sweden's economy takes full advantage of capitalism. 

[James28]

Sweden's economy takes full advantage of capitalism. 

Please read up and familiarise yourself with a socio capitalist idea. Or are you so brainwashed that just the word socialism scares you?

[Fury]

Please read up and familiarise yourself with a socio capitalist idea. Or are you so brainwashed that just the word socialism scares you?

I didn't know we were talking about socio-capitalism in this thread. Pretty sure this thread is referring to socialism and not "socialism" that takes full advantage of the benefits of capitalism.  

Are you so stupid that you can't differentiate between the topic of this thread and what you're trying to spin it into? Move along gimmick.

[James28]

I didn't know we were talking about socio-capitalism in this thread. Pretty sure this thread is referring to socialism and not "socialism" that takes full advantage of the benefits of capitalism.  

Are you so stupid that you can't differentiate between the topic of this thread and what you're trying to spin it into? Move along gimmick.

Wrong, you're so thick that you cannot differentiate between the different degrees of socialism in active practice or available for discussion. Your obvious tiny mind and non-existent intelligent opinion on this subject start and end with FUD. Face it, you're a brainwashed clitoris that is playing the right wing party line. Go play in simpler threads or threads that contain subject matter you can contribute something sensible to. Just make sure it's dumbed down enough for you 

[Fury]

Wrong, you're so thick that you cannot differentiate between the different degrees of socialism in active practice or available for discussion. Your obvious tiny mind and non-existent intelligent opinion on this subject start and end with FUD. Face it, you're a brainwashed clitoris that is playing the right wing party line. Go play in simpler threads or threads that contain subject matter you can contribute something sensible to. Just make sure it's dumbed down enough for you  

The fuck are you rambling about? This thread was not started to talk about the different degrees of socialism. It was started to talk about socialism. Not socio-capitalism (which is what you're focusing on). You're trying to spin this into a conversation about that which I'm not interested in.

Your argument is only proving my point, though. Funny how every government that's tried to go socialist ends up incorporating capitalist policies into their economy. Thanks for playing.  

Nice meltdown, though. Seems like someone's mad. And you reek of a Hugo Chavez gimmick.

[James28]

The fuck are you rambling about? This thread was not started to talk about the different degrees of socialism. It was started to talk about socialism. Not socio-capitalism (which is what you're focusing on). You're trying to spin this into a conversation about that.

Your argument is only proving my point, though. Funny how every government that's tried to go socialist ends up incorporating capitalist policies into their economy. Thanks for playing. 

Nice meltdown, though. Seems like someone's mad.

You don't know what socialism is. Your posts smacks of clueless-ness. Let me guess. High Taxes, government hand holding, free shit you don't have to work for like the good 'ole capitalist system? USSR? Your comment on Sweden made me laugh yesterday. Yes, I laughed at a poster on a forum the first time in years. What do you know exactly about Sweden and their economical history and how it came about as it is today? It appears to me capitalist influences is what you champion when socialism-done-right prevails. Did you know that a Rasmussen Report (do you even know what that is?  ) compiled not even 9 months ago puts Americans under 30 that WANT a complete socialist regulated government only 3% behind those that is in favour of capitalism. A huge rise from a same report done ... 4 months previous.

Ok, I will dumb this down so you can understand as well.

socialism = not bad (I'll leave out authorial-socio, capital-socio, regulated-socio and its flavours out. It confuses and embarrass you)
capitalism = useful, but outliving its usefulness.

If you want any homework links to school yourself properly, I'll be happy to help. I've been teaching and schooling fools for years 

Looking forward to your reply tomorrow. Really 

[Fury]

I didn't bother reading most of that. I did notice you claiming socialism is better than capitalism (the = signs stuck out in that mass of meltdown) and realized that I was talking to a retard.

And it's pretty clear that you have no idea what you're talking about. But keep typing up 5,000 word posts. It might make you look smart, Hugo. Loving the new gimmick, by the way.  

Another socialist retard that can't prove anything beyond melting down and spinning threads off-topic. Thanks for playing. 

[Hugo Chavez]

Wrong, you're so thick that you cannot differentiate between the different degrees of socialism in active practice or available for discussion. Your obvious tiny mind and non-existent intelligent opinion on this subject start and end with FUD. Face it, you're a brainwashed clitoris that is playing the right wing party line. Go play in simpler threads or threads that contain subject matter you can contribute something sensible to. Just make sure it's dumbed down enough for you 

I would never say this about BF.  BF clearly does not side left or right politically.  He picks the angle he can best troll for the day week or month.

[Fury]

I would never say this about BF.  BF clearly does not side left or right politically.  He picks the angle he can best troll for the day week or month.

Hahahaha!

Why did you lock the Lucifer Project thread, Pocahontas?

I'm surprised you're not trying to team up with this retard and argue how successful socialism has been. LOL.

[Hugo Chavez]

Hahahaha!

Why did you lock the Lucifer Project thread, Pocahontas?

I'm surprised you're not trying to team up with this retard and argue how successful socialism has been. LOL.

When you have to bump a thread 4 times in a week and still have no additional responses, people are done with it.  All you're doing is bumping a thread we've all read and are not posting in.

I already told you the pointless nature of debating these subjects with you.  I'm not wasting my time and I sure in the hell wouldn't waste my time starting a gimmick to do what I don't have any interest in doing.  Loco is a better debate opponent on these issues.  He's not a troll.

[Fury]

When you have to bump a thread 4 times in a week and still have no additional responses, people are done with it.  All you're doing is bumping a thread we've all read and are not posting in.

I already told you the pointless nature of debating these subjects with you.  I'm not wasting my time and I sure in the hell wouldn't waste my time starting a gimmick to do what I don't have any interest in doing.  Loco is a better debate opponent on these issues.  He's not a troll.

I'm sorry that I have no respect for you. 

[Hugo Chavez]

I'm sorry that I have no respect for you. 

lol, I don't give a flying fuck what you think about me...  Thanks for the laugh hahaha...