How is it Venezuelans/Cubans live in complete poverty yet...

[Fury]

...their governments can instantaneously come up with $1 billion for the earthquake victims? Socialism works wonders!  

Hugo Chavez The citizens live like Kings apparently.

[Soul Crusher]

...their governments can instantaneously come up with $1 billion for the earthquake victims? Socialism works wonders!  

Hugo Chavez The citizens live like Kings apparently.

Socialism/Communism is an evil failure where it is enacted. 

[Fury]

Socialism/Communism is an evil failure where it is enacted.  

Do you find it as funny as I do that some people will sing the praises of it yet every country that can be considered socialist/communist is a complete economic/social failure?

Most Venezuelans and Cubans live in squalor. Perhaps their governments should chip off some of the billions they're stealing.

[drkaje]

...their governments can instantaneously come up with $1 billion for the earthquake victims? Socialism works wonders!  

Hugo Chavez The citizens live like Kings apparently.

It's really pretty simple, BF. They aren't sending billions in foreign aid all the time.

Venezuela has oil and Castro's people reached huge deals with General/Altadis over trademark infringements in anticipation of the embargo ending.

[Fury]

It's really pretty simple, BF. They aren't sending billions in foreign aid all the time.

Venezuela has oil and Castro's people reached huge deals with General/Altadis over trademark infringements in anticipation of the embargo ending.

Yes, that's understandable. But why is the government not putting this money back into the economy? The power elite like Hugo Chavez live like kings while the rest of the country lives in complete squalor pretty much goes against everything socialism (which he espouses the values of) stands for.

All this oil money (enough to send off $1 billion instantaneously) and the people are broke and uneducated. Does anyone not see the irony in this? Socialism works!  

[drkaje]

Yes, that's understandable. But why is the government not putting this money back into the economy? The power elite like Hugo Chavez live like kings while the rest of the country lives in complete squalor pretty much goes against everything socialism (which he espouses the values of) stands for.

All this oil money (enough to send off $1 billion instantaneously) and the people are broke and uneducated. Does anyone not see the irony in this? Socialism works!  

People I've met that visited Cuba said it was beautiful. They weren't tourists and didn't feel the country sucked ass. I'm not pro-communist, obviously, but the Cuban people do have some advantages we lack. In the same vein, there are a lot of medications outlawed here for side effects that still get used.

In the long run, a billion dollars is probably cheaper than an influx of immigrants into a poorer.

[Hugo Chavez]

...their governments can instantaneously come up with $1 billion for the earthquake victims? Socialism works wonders!  

Hugo Chavez The citizens live like Kings apparently.

gets your facts right.  They didn't come up with 1 billion for earthquake victims.  I never said they did.  I was talking about past money for haiti.  That was from 2007 if I remember right.  Plus don't pretend to have any interest in an honest debate on Hugo Chavez.  In the past you've refused to consider anything I've posted, won't review the material and pretty much just state that you're not going to, yet you'll go on to make your own claims based on material written by enemies of Chavez and expect for it to be taken as gospel without question.  In short, I'd rather waste time on a multitude of other things than argue with someone who refuses to even look at anything brought to the debate other than what they bring.  Thanks but no thanks.

[Fury]

gets your facts right.  They didn't come up with 1 billion for earthquake victims.  I never said they did.  I was talking about past money for haiti.  That was from 2007 if I remember right.  Plus don't pretend to have any interest in an honest debate on Hugo Chavez.  In the past you've refused to consider anything I've posted, won't review the material and pretty much just state that you're not going to, yet you'll go on to make your own claims based on material written by enemies of Chavez and expect for it to be taken as gospel without question.  In short, I'd rather waste time on a multitude of other things than argue with someone who refuses to even look at anything brought to the debate other than what they bring.  Thanks but no thanks.

Hahaha, what a lying sack of shit. You said "Venezuela and Cuba just pledged $1 billion".

Feel free to go back and edit your post in that thread, though.

[War-Horse]

Socialism/Communism is an evil failure where it is enacted. 

Yeah, and capitialism is working like a dream!   

[Fury]

Yeah, and capitialism is working like a dream!   

Much better than socialism/communism has worked out. 

[Hugo Chavez]

Hahaha, what a lying sack of shit. You said "Venezuela and Cuba just pledged $1 billion".

Feel free to go back and edit your post in that thread, though.

no i did't.  look it up. 
i didn't say just and didn't mean for it to be taken that way.  otherwise i would have said "just"  i did not.  and no i did not edit it.  ask ron if you're so worried trollboy.

[Fury]

no i did't.  look it up.  
i didn't say just and didn't mean for it to be taken that way.  otherwise i would have said "just"  i did not.  and no i did not edit it.  ask ron if you're so worried trollboy.

Well, I'll admit I misinterpreted that. I thought you meant that they had already created once in the early hours after the earthquake. Either way, it doesn't change the argument. These countries have hundreds of millions of dollars to throw around while the people live in squalor.

I just noticed the title under your avatar as well. Nice ring to it. You must be one of those douches that values the lives of animals above those of humans.  

[Hedgehog]

People in Venezuela have pretty good standard of living. There are problems with Chavez obviously. But before him all the oil money was plundered by foreign oil companies. He at least put an end to that.
One could argue that the oil richness should be used wiser. But at least they now have one.
It will be interesting to see if Venezuela can continue to rise economically.

[Fury]

People in Venezuela have pretty good standard of living. There are problems with Chavez obviously. But before him all the oil money was plundered by foreign oil companies. He at least put an end to that.
One could argue that the oil richness should be used wiser. But at least they now have one.
It will be interesting to see if Venezuela can continue to rise economically.

Their standard of living isn't anywhere close to where it should be given how much money the state makes off oil.

[Hugo Chavez]

People in Venezuela have pretty good standard of living. There are problems with Chavez obviously. But before him all the oil money was plundered by foreign oil companies. He at least put an end to that.
One could argue that the oil richness should be used wiser. But at least they now have one.
It will be interesting to see if Venezuela can continue to rise economically.

There's a shit load of statistics that show the poor are better off under Chavez than they were before.  Of course you can't just end poverty overnight.  It takes time for literacy to go up along with other factors.  But BF has no interest in any of that.  and yes, you're right, Hugo has his problems.  I would just say they're nowhere near as bad as what our media portrays.

[Hugo Chavez]

Their standard of living isn't anywhere close to where it should be given how much money the state makes off oil.

So it's not good enough that it's better, that they have a better chance of putting food on their tables, becoming educated, having better access to medical services, on and on... your issue is that Hugo didn't make them all middle class overnight?  lol...  Are you saying that they are no better off under Hugo?

[Slapper]

When compared to the rest of the region, Cuba fares MUCH, MUCH BETTER than its neighbors. Even though we've had an embargo on them since the 50s I believe.

[George Whorewell]

Maybe it's 1 billion in Cuban dollars---- Which is about 2 thousand Euros or 1750 US.

[Hereford]

When compared to the rest of the region, Cuba fares MUCH, MUCH BETTER than its neighbors. Even though we've had an embargo on them since the 50s I believe.

It's not hard to have the nicest house on the block when you live in the section 8 ghetto.

Plant a few flowers and you're the man....

[Fury]

It's not hard to have the nicest house on the block when you live in the section 8 ghetto.

Plant a few flowers and you're the man....

Hahahaha. Truth.

[drkaje]

Comparing them to our higher standard of living is silly.

In Antigua we visited some of the poorer sections. No Lie, these people were so poor it was rude.

[Soul Crusher]

Comparing them to our higher standard of living is silly.

In Antigua we visited some of the poorer sections. No Lie, these people were so poor it was rude.

If only Michael Corleone & Hyman Roth got their damn deal done! 

 

[drkaje]

If only Michael Corleone & Hyman Roth got their damn deal done! 

 

Once, we visited the rain forrest and there were people living in shanty shacks. Was odd... imagine being dirt poor in one of the world's most beautiful places. Our poor people really don't have a clue what poverty is like in third/second world countries once you're a little off the grid.

[Fury]

Comparing them to our higher standard of living is silly.

In Antigua we visited some of the poorer sections. No Lie, these people were so poor it was rude.

So socialism/communism doesn't work? Thanks for acknowledging that.

[drkaje]

So socialism/communism doesn't work? Thanks for acknowledging that.

Antigua isn't communist/socialist but they do have Govt healthcare. Not high quality healthcare considering their population is only around 70,000 on an 118 square mile island.