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Question:
Should we accept and give people from Haiti legal status as refugees and give them the right to vote?
They were just discussing this as a possibility being discussed in Washington DC.
I say hell no.
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Hell No X10000000
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Why not just annex the country and turn it into a US territory?
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no, but it's gonna happen.
anyone who opposes it in congress will be viewed as a haitian hater, like they don't have any love for those poor victims.
imagine how quick amnesty arrives once this happens. I posted this 2 days ago... i saw this coming a mile away. A giftwrapped reason to pass the mccain amnesty bill part II.
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no, but it's gonna happen.
anyone who opposes it in congress will be viewed as a haitian hater, like they don't have any love for those poor victims.
imagine how quick amnesty arrives once this happens. I posted this 2 days ago... i saw this coming a mile away. A giftwrapped reason to pass the mccain amnesty bill part II.
Get a few more Glocks bro because they are all heading to the sunshine state.
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hahaha a glock is only what you use to get to the rifles, everyone knows that.
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no and doing so would only hurt the people left behind in a recovery from this disaster.
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Question:
Should we accept and give people from Haiti legal status as refugees and give them the right to vote?
They were just discussing this as a possibility being discussed in Washington DC.
I say hell no.
FUCK NO... America isn't the worlds orphanage.
charity starts at home...we can start helping others when we have no homeless/hungry people here in the USA
wasn't it haiti where those pirates were coming from? pfft..if ya feel sorry for haiti i say up your arimidex...check to see if ya mistook test depo for depo test and say a collective ...who cares :-\
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No.
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I say annex Haiti. Turn it into a giant theme park for the obese and the religious and then nuke it.
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Hell No X10000000
i'm with eyeball and 3333 hell no
these people are already looking to oblamea with adoration
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Ge let me think, Haiti is a fucking shit hole, lets bring that element to America ::).
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I would say no.
- the US should not do anything the rest of the world won't do too
- temporary camps are OK - permanent not
- the people don't have the educational/language/social skills to blend into American culture, so it'll just build another unintegrated US sub-culture & we know how well that will turn out
- they wont get meaningful work & middle class taxpayers will end up paying for them
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Damn. This is the only thread in history where we all agree!! Amnesty should never be an option!
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kids - yes. I heard they're adopting tens of thousands of orphans here - definitely. they will find good homes, they will have solid futures.
Should we accept anyone over 18? Um, no.
But, I'm sure this is the backdoor to amnesty. I saw that shit the moment I heard about the quake... where are they gonna go? hello, Florida!!
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kids - yes. I heard they're adopting tens of thousands of orphans here - definitely. they will find good homes, they will have solid futures.
Should we accept anyone over 18? Um, no.
But, I'm sure this is the backdoor to amnesty. I saw that shit the moment I heard about the quake... where are they gonna go? hello, Florida!!
kids with no other option, both parents dead, adopted by a family here or elsewhere, I don't have a problem with that. But as you can see by this thread, some mass exodus to America is going to be out of the question.
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nothing is out of the quesiton these days dude.
You give us another few days of pictures of stacks of bodies in the streets... what politicians is going to risk losing the inevitable haitian vote (or the pity vote) by telling them to stay the hell home?
Obama will prob lump in the adults with the kids. we'll take them all. And it'll open up the door to full amnesty. O doesn't have to push for it - he got a nice present giftwrapped on this one. I am betting this emergenc 18-month amnesty they were granted yesterday is quietly pushed another 24 months, then changed to full maybe a week after the 2012 election ;)
Or he'll just push for it all now. either way, if amnesty is what he wants, he'd be a fool not to use this golden opportunity. mind ya, I'm against it, certainly not kneepadding as tony is drooling to say. But it would be smart politics, if that is o's goal, to push for it on an emergency basis. What are you going to say in a year or two when haiti is sitll trashed and these people have lives here? They stay, plain and simple. Any anyone from any country just has to take a boat to haiti and claim their way into the USA ;)
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Haitian illegals can stay in US for now
The US government on Friday granted temporary asylum to Haitians already living illegally in the United States before their homeland was struck by a devastating earthquake.
Rights advocates and lawmakers had earlier called on the White House to grant a special shield to thousands of Haitians who have sneaked into the country over the past years.
Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano said Haitians would be granted Temporary Protected Status, or TPS, that would allow undocumented individuals living in the United States to remain for 18 months. That would allow them to renew or obtain drivers licenses, and work legally.
"Providing a temporary refuge for Haitian nationals... whose personal safety would be endangered by returning to Haiti is part of this administration's continuing efforts to support Haiti's recovery," Napolitano said.
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Plan To Bring Haitians To Central Fla. Not Set In Stone
ORLANDO, Fla. -- The American Red Cross says a plan to bring 45,000 evacuees from Haiti to Florida, and 4,000 of those to Orange County, is not set in stone. The Red Cross clarified Friday who could be involved in a plan to move people out of Haiti.
The Red Cross is preparing for two things: the repatriation of Americans living in Haiti and the possibility of a mass migration of Haitian nationals.
The American Red Cross has seen massive migration into the U.S. from areas like Kosovo and Bosnia in the past, but no determination has been made yet in the case of Haiti. But the repatriation of Americans has already begun. Eyewitness News was told that it includes people like missionaries who may have already been working in Haiti before the quake.
The U.S. citizens are being brought into South Florida through Miami and Homestead, where their identities can be verified. Thursday night, five flights arrived with 190 Americans on board.
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nothing is out of the quesiton these days dude.
eveyone here could have said that. what is fact is nobody will like it an will consider it out of the question.
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no, but it's gonna happen.
anyone who opposes it in congress will be viewed as a haitian hater, like they don't have any love for those poor victims.
imagine how quick amnesty arrives once this happens. I posted this 2 days ago... i saw this coming a mile away. A giftwrapped reason to pass the mccain amnesty bill part II.
Evil Scenario#1- to force amnesty on the American people, because they wouldn't just settle for it, create a situation in which a "natural even" would occur. By using HAARP technology create a earthquake in Haiti--a country where the US has had some semblance of prescence there. And a bone of contention when it comes to turning refugees away.
Evil Scenario#2-Using HAARP as a weapon, the US created the tsunami incident, being that it is near China, and that it was a highest concentration of Muslims. The US citizens had a overwelming outpouring of money, showing the Muslim World and China that the US citizens will respond to world disasters, unlike the Muslim countries (SA--shame on them for having all that money and giving far less than the American people). China in term used HAARP like technology to do the same to Haiti..in essence a a new chapter in war has begun...
I just happen to think this up---doubt it would happen or did happen, but what if?
TA, there will always be homeless/ hungry in this country. Some people want to be homeless, others because of pride, refuse help. Same with the Hungry. Some people due to pride refuse handouts or charity. They would rather go thru a McDonald's dumpster, knowing that at 10:30 am, they throw all their breakfast food out.
And it was Somalia that the Pirates came from...totally diff part of the world. Unless you are think the Pirates of the Caribbean--you are about 2-34 centuries late.
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Why not just annex the country and turn it into a US territory?
10 million increase in the welfare rolls overnight.
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I think that we should take a few thousand (1-5,000) as a show of good faith--people with established connections to the US through immediate family, orphans that can be immediately adopted etc.- but thats all.
The rest should immigrate to Cuba. After all,they would receive better healthcare and a better education.
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I think that we should take a few thousand (1-5,000) as a show of good faith--people with established connections to the US through immediate family, orphans that can be immediately adopted etc.- but thats all.
The rest should immigrate to Cuba. After all,they would receive better healthcare and a better education.
Ha ha!!!!!
GW - you have the best posts on this board bar none Bro! ! ! !
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Question:
Should we accept and give people from Haiti legal status as refugees and give them the right to vote?
They were just discussing this as a possibility being discussed in Washington DC.
I say hell no.
I think this question is judgmental and stupid to say the least... The Haitians need medical help and food as well as equipment to rebuild Port Au Prince (sic). They did not ask america for citizenship or anything of the like. If any Haitians go to america it will be for medical attention and will leave soon thereafter. They are not looking to abandon their homeland.
Truth is very few people want to go to america as they know the problems of the nation. the Mexicans were BROUGHT INTO AMERICA to undermind its labor force and industries. Now that there is not much industry/jobs left, they have been leaving in droves. Sadly many went and immediately started having children thinking everything was going to be fine and that the children would entitle them to citizenship..hahahah they got caught holding the bag.
Nonetheless I hoped you watched and noticed how many whites were in Haiti caught up in the woes as well. These are the americans who escaped america and went to Haiti/Dominican Republic/Puerto Rico, Virgin Islands etc in hopes of getting away from the problems of america... sadly for them they never thought this was going to happen.
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Yea dude.
Mexicans 'don't want to abandon their homeland' either. They just wholesale take advantage of a national government that puts politics before the welfare and safety of its' people to consume as much as they can.
There are 10.3 million people in Haiti. If Obama lets them in there will be 10.3 million welfare recipients in the US PERMANENTLY.
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I think this question is judgmental and stupid to say the least... The Haitians need medical help and food as well as equipment to rebuild Port Au Prince (sic). They did not ask america for citizenship or anything of the like. If any Haitians go to america it will be for medical attention and will leave soon thereafter. They are not looking to abandon their homeland.
Truth is very few people want to go to america as they know the problems of the nation. the Mexicans were BROUGHT INTO AMERICA to undermind its labor force and industries. Now that there is not much industry/jobs left, they have been leaving in droves. Sadly many went and immediately started having children thinking everything was going to be fine and that the children would entitle them to citizenship..hahahah they got caught holding the bag.
Nonetheless I hoped you watched and noticed how many whites were in Haiti caught up in the woes as well. These are the americans who escaped america and went to Haiti/Dominican Republic/Puerto Rico, Virgin Islands etc in hopes of getting away from the problems of america... sadly for them they never thought this was going to happen.
Damn, You really are clueless.
FYI...... the average income in Haiti is less than 2 dollars a day, and Haiti is one of the world's poorest countries.. And given the chance, most Haitians would leave for the USA. To to think otherwise is absurd.
And your comment about "very few people want to go to America", takes the cake. I guess the huge backlog of Visa applications from people world wide wanting to immigrate to the USA, are just lies as well in your little brain.
I take back what I said about Hedgehog being "the most ignorant one on GetBig", as you are the owner of that title.
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Question:
Should we accept and give people from Haiti legal status as refugees and give them the right to vote?
They were just discussing this as a possibility being discussed in Washington DC.
I say hell no.
If you need votes...... ::)
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now I never talk politics with people in 'real life'.
I always just shrug it off when people discuss things, cause people tend to become moratl enemies with you immediately if they realize you disagree with them on any issue or candidate.
But lately, everybody I talk to seems to be super concerned with tons of haitians flooding Florida's shores. Here in Ft Myers, we get a few every year that end up in our city on the beach. people are worried there are going to be a lot more - especially since they now know that nobody will be getting kicked out.
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Truth is very few people want to go to america as they know the problems of the nation. the Mexicans were BROUGHT INTO AMERICA
I'm seriously crying I'm laughing so hard.... Thanks samsonenterprises!!! :'( ;D ;D ;D
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Yea dude.
Mexicans 'don't want to abandon their homeland' either. They just wholesale take advantage of a national government that puts politics before the welfare and safety of its' people to consume as much as they can.
There are 10.3 million people in Haiti. If Obama lets them in there will be 10.3 million welfare recipients in the US PERMANENTLY.
Just to remind you the welfare rolls of america are 88 percent white...Maybe these whites should be shipped back to europe? ::) ::) ::)
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No.
We have to separate our heart-felt compassion for these people during this disaster from something that would just be a very bad idea for our country. I wouldn't doubt if we start hearing more about this.
Yes, we should absolutely be there to help them and donate people, supplies and cash to be used to help during this disaster....but we shouldn't allow Haitian's to immigrate here, nor should we be set up as police in Haiti.
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Damn, You really are clueless.
FYI...... the average income in Haiti is less than 2 dollars a day, and Haiti is one of the world's poorest countries.. And given the chance, most Haitians would leave for the USA. To to think otherwise is absurd.
And your comment about "very few people want to go to America", takes the cake. I guess the huge backlog of Visa applications from people world wide wanting to immigrate to the USA, are just lies as well in your little brain.
I take back what I said about Hedgehog being "the most ignorant one on GetBig", as you are the owner of that title.
Not as clueless as you are... VISA applications come from people also seeking education opportunities, which is the bulk of VISA requests. Yes many go to america in search of a better life, but they soon find out that the WONDERLAND that america has depicted itself as is anything but. There has been a number of exposes about people from Russia, various Central and South American countries that went to america with high hopes only to find themselves in worst shape afterward. An absolutely embarrassing episode was shown on the BBC of people from Mexico who returned to their homeland after being in america for some years with the main complaint being america is NOT what they were told it was. Too much crime, filth, taxes, low paying jobs, little opportunity and much in the form of social problems. Imagine people from those places seeing america as worst off than their homeland.
If the Haitians would leave Haiti for america with such speed, then why are there not loads of them constantly arriving??? Despite the american produced poverty in Haiti (just like in Cuba) the people know and love their homeland. Yes some of the younger Haitians leave Haiti to try and gain opportunities elsewhere, but by no means are they rushing to america...that should tell you something right there about america.
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I'm seriously crying I'm laughing so hard.... Thanks samsonenterprises!!! :'( ;D ;D ;D
You should be crying from your stupidity in thinking they WALKED TO AMERICA AND JUMPED THE FENCE...
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Just to remind you the welfare rolls of america are 88 percent white...Maybe these whites should be shipped back to europe? ::) ::) ::)
No shit? Here I was thinking white people made up the overwhelming majority of the American population. Who would have thunk they would also make up the majority of welfare recipients as well? ::)
Hilarious that this guy is crying about whites given the way Muslims treat their slaves servants in the Middle East.
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You should be crying from your stupidity in thinking they WALKED TO AMERICA AND JUMPED THE FENCE...
Yes, of course! Why would they leave their paradise to come to a third world hell hole!!
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Truth is very few people want to go to america as they know the problems of the nation.
So there's no need to try and stop illegal immigration anymore?
There aren't hundreds if not thousands of mexicans entering the USA daily?
Maybe this recession is a deliberate intentional inducement by the people who really run the government to create a country no one wants to go to because of their inability to control or curb illegal immigration?
:-X ;D
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Just to remind you the welfare rolls of america are 88 percent white...Maybe these whites should be shipped back to europe? ::) ::) ::)
Is that right?
http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-welfareblack.htm
Next time do a little research before you pop off Judi.
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I say annex Haiti. Turn it into a giant theme park for the obese and the religious and then nuke it.
What's your issue with Haiti???
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Question:
Should we accept and give people from Haiti legal status as refugees and give them the right to vote?
They were just discussing this as a possibility being discussed in Washington DC.
I say hell no.
Didn't most ancestors to Americans come to the US as either refugees, immigrants or slaves? Your ancestors were immigrants once as well. What's the difference between them and the Haitians?
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Hedge, if that's your attitude then why have any restrictions on immigration into this country at all?
Why not just open up our borders and let everyone from anywhere enter with absolutely no standards, background checks, or anything else?
I mean after all, most Americans came to this country as refugees, immigrants and slaves
While we are on the subject-- how about we abolish state soverignty also?
No more borders, the whole world becomes one country and everyone can live where they want, when they want!
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What's your issue with Haiti???
I was being facetious first off. With that said, Haiti is a religious backwards shit hole which is a large reason why so many have died recently. They still think a boogeyman in the sky creates earthquakes and hurricanes and that the invisible sky god will protect or discard willingly according to their behavior. This has grave implications as they throw no caution to the wind and go about living as if they are but pawns in a deranged supernatural game of chess.
Their entire society and education needs to be totally restructured so the loss of life due to a natural disaster is minimized. As long as religion plays at the forefront, the loss of human life in such events will be just as great if not greater as they sit by and do nothing to prepare, instead leaving it to the sick supernatural non-existent benefactor in the sky.
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Your idiocy really knows no bounds.
These people are poor, dirt poor and have no infrastructure. Furthermore, the country is located in a haven for natural disasters. And, for good measure, the government is inept, corrupt and has been unable to sustain any growth or tangible services for the population---- pretty much since the country was founded.
What the fuck does any of that have to do with belief in a higher power? Outside of satisfying your homosexual appetite for atheism, what possible utility would the people of Haiti have received by not believing in God?
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Your idiocy really knows no bounds.
These people are poor, dirt poor and have no infastructure. Furthermore, the country is located in a haven for natural disasters. And, for good measure, the government is inept, corrupt and has been unable to sustain any growth or tangiable services for the population---- pretty much since the country was founded.
What the fuck does any of that have to do with belief in a higher power? Outside of satisfying your homosexual appitite for atheism, what possible utility would the people of Haiti have recieved by not believing in God?
Read my other posts regarding their poverty. This is a separate issue, Cumwell.
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LOL--
You wrote that many people in Haiti have died recently because they are religious.
Please clarify that quote in relation to this topic-- since poverty is a seperate issue ( and for anyone with an iq above 20, is the only issue with respect to Haiti).
I'm not going to look into your other posts, because I have better things to do with my time. Please explain to me how religion, rather than poverty, a shitty government and no infastructure coupled with the location of the country itself is responsible for the fact that an earthquake just killed several thousand people.
While your tripping over your own feet trying to rationalize your moronic statement, also see if you can dig up that video of you deadlifting 225x100 times as well. ::)
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LOL--
You wrote that many people in Haiti have died recently because they are religious.
Please clarify that quote in relation to this topic-- since poverty is a seperate issue ( and for anyone with an iq above 20, is the only issue with respect to Haiti).
I'm not going to look into your other posts, because I have better things to do with my time. Please explain to me how religion, rather than poverty, a shitty government and no infastructure coupled with the location of the country itself is responsible for the fact that an earthquake just killed several thousand people.
While your tripping over your own feet trying to rationalize your moronic statement, also see if you can dig up that video of you deadlifting 225x100 times as well. ::)
I don`t really feel like going into the Socio-economic impact of a highly religious and uneducated population. You wouldn`t read anything I posted anyways so why should I waste my gym time on a mindless sot such as yourself?
“Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful.”
Seneca quotes (Roman philosopher, mid-1st century AD)
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Translation: TA is a mindless fuckwad who can't back up anything he says with fact, so he pulls useless quotations out of his ass and skirts the topic at issue.
Thank you.
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Your idiocy really knows no bounds.
These people are poor, dirt poor and have no infrastructure. Furthermore, the country is located in a haven for natural disasters. And, for good measure, the government is inept, corrupt and has been unable to sustain any growth or tangible services for the population---- pretty much since the country was founded.
What the fuck does any of that have to do with belief in a higher power? Outside of satisfying your homosexual appetite for atheism, what possible utility would the people of Haiti have received by not believing in God?
hahaha this one just takes the cake LOL!!
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Translation: TA is a mindless fuckwad who can't back up anything he says with fact, so he pulls useless quotations out of his ass and skirts the topic at issue.
Thank you.
The topic is about refugees and legal status. I was being facetious from the outset and even remarked as such. Do you really think I believe in Nuclear Holocaust to solve world and regional problems? Wait, isn`t that a Neo-Con fantasy?
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No legal status. Stay out. Go to Europe or Latin America.
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No legal status. Stay out. Go to Europe or Latin America.
This mess is going to have bad ramifications for years and years to come.
Hopefully Castro, Chavez, Bolivia, Peru, and all the other big mouths can show us what real generoisty is and take these people in.
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I'm all for giving them medical attention but I'm betting most of them would just stick around after the fact.
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I'm all for giving them medical attention but I'm betting most of them would just stick around after the fact.
And scream for education, driver licenses, welfare, health care, etc.
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If anyone of them are able to get their asses over here, we should take them as well of course.
It's wrong to think that only the nearby countries should help.
But even we who are far away are trying.
Right now charities in Sweden have raised circa $20 million for the victims in Haiti.
So the support for the Haiti people is strong.
As it should be.
Hopefully, the help that gets there will reach those in need.
This disaster is beyond comprehension. And it's happening to a society that is so poor, without morals, without rules.
It will be complete mayhem unless USA steps in like they are right now.
It's perhaps not "theoretically" right.
But it is the only viable solution.
Because Haiti isn't able to sustain itself.
Should we just stand by and watch it erode`instead because some leftist apologists are stiff about USA?
All we can do is pray that Obama won't succumb to the corporations... ::)
At least with Chavez and his goons around, perhaps there will be some balance.
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Something tells me they'll be lucky to receive .01% of what is being raised for them.
Ok...
Lets say 5 Billion dollars are raised.
So the Haitians should consider themselves lucky if they receive fifty thousand dollars? ???
Do you have any example of where a big public fund raising for a disaster have only been able to deliver a measly .01% to the needy?
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I wonder what it typically is. Is it 80% or 20%? What percentage of moneys received typically makes it to those in need?
About 20 years ago in California they had people going door to door collecting funds for various charities and they solicitors were allowed to keep 50% of what ever they collected. That was ended quickly.
But to think only .01% would be received is stupid and probably just a sarcastic comment.
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lol. No doubt I know where you're coming from regarding the Red Cross. They were revealed and scolded in media here just a few months ago. So I am sure they've cleaned up their act at least here in Sweden. They got good transparency. It's a different story at the arrival sites still I gather.
But I honestly think that media can keep them honest. That's media's job.
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are you saying that with a straight face :D
We don't get fed the Fox bullshit here. Even CNN is filled with a lot of bullshit 'opinionated' experts. Have mercy. And the news are packaged in easy-to-digest bites.
God forbid they would air a segment that was longer than 2 minutes. That would be challenging for all dumbasses.
So you're right I guess. Lol.
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I have no idea what actual percent will get to them. Stating the number was sarcasm based on past misuse of monies raised. Just look at how the red cross usually do things. They raise the money advertising that the money raised will go to the cause, in this case, the people in Haiti affected. What they're not telling you is that they'll only be giving them a portion of the money raised and keeping the rest. They've done that time and time again. Most of the money being raised in America is through the red cross. In other areas we've all heard the horror stories about charity administration fees chopping the shit out of the amount donated. We've also heard all the stories of money and aid making it to the country and being absorbed through corruption but never making it to the people. After decades of watching this kind of crap happen, I wouldn't be shocked if the reality is that the amount received is a fraction of the amount raised. Yea, hope I'm wrong.
I don't know what kind of changes they've made, but I'm sure we all remember the Red Cross fiasco after 9/11. People have every reason to be concerned that only a small portion of their donations will actually reach the people who need it most. I think you're dead-on.