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This is WTF I am talking about.
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And, the people said........AMEN!!!
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And, the people said........AMEN!!!
Oh man, this guy is good with lines like that.
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I love every position the guy has... but I did hear something about his okay'ing state healthcare a few years back? Whateever the case, it's good to see him killing the bill now.
All this Brown 2012 talk is premature. He has 6 years state senate and before that, family law. Even less experience than Obama had- He was a national senator for 6 years and state for 6 years first. In 2016, if obama wins in 2012, he'd be the ideal choice. Before that, nah... not polished enough.
IMO, he's a little immature for the big stage. Giggling, mentioning his daughters are available for dating, and saying over and over "Yes Obama, I Drive an American Truck!"... hell, Obama drives a Ford Hybrid. Also an american vehicle. So I don't understand the point. Maybe he's saying he gets 10 Mpg and he's proud of it. Um, okay.
So while I love his positions, I hope he develops into a smoother speaker and a little calmer. That "I drive a Truck and you can't stop me!" talk is great for motivating tea party voters, but isn't what moderates need. Thune 2012, maybe brown 2016 or 2020.
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I love every position the guy has... but I did hear something about his okay'ing state healthcare a few years back? Whateever the case, it's good to see him killing the bill now.
All this Brown 2012 talk is premature. He has 6 years state senate and before that, family law. Even less experience than Obama had- He was a national senator for 6 years and state for 6 years first. In 2016, if obama wins in 2012, he'd be the ideal choice. Before that, nah... not polished enough.
IMO, he's a little immature for the big stage. Giggling, mentioning his daughters are available for dating, and saying over and over "Yes Obama, I Drive an American Truck!"... hell, Obama drives a Ford Hybrid. Also an american vehicle. So I don't understand the point. Maybe he's saying he gets 10 Mpg and he's proud of it. Um, okay.
So while I love his positions, I hope he develops into a smoother speaker and a little calmer. That "I drive a Truck and you can't stop me!" talk is great for motivating tea party voters, but isn't what moderates need. Thune 2012, maybe brown 2016 or 2020.
240 - The "moderates" are who voted for Brown in the first place.
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hey, different strokes.
I hope the 2012 candidate doesn't act like Brown acted in his speech last night. Continually bringing up the truck... really? "Take that Obama, I drive a truck!! Ha! And I want to get you on the basketball court!"
He was high on the moment, sure. But I'm hoping he isn't bringing up his daughters dating, his truck, and his ball game nonstop in the future. I hope he verses himself well in the issues, and gets 6 or 8 years experience before running for President. Remember, as with Palin, the guy has the most fans NOW. He'll only whittle down that fanbase as they learn more about him - it works that way with everyone.
Yes, moderates voted for him, but that "leave my truck alone!" shit won't play in 2012.
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He also said that that the healthcare program he voted for resulted in a lot of debt and higher premiums. This is the same program that supposedly Democrats used as a model for their plan. Brown sees that it is not working and he is opposing it. What is wrong with seeing that something doesn't work, admitting that it is not working and preventing from happening at a national level?
If Barry and his Democrats are smart, they will change their position. But, I really hope they are as stupid as I think they are and continue down their path of self destruction.
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hey, different strokes.
I hope the 2012 candidate doesn't act like Brown acted in his speech last night. Continually bringing up the truck... really? "Take that Obama, I drive a truck!! Ha! And I want to get you on the basketball court!"
He was high on the moment, sure. But I'm hoping he isn't bringing up his daughters dating, his truck, and his ball game nonstop in the future. I hope he verses himself well in the issues, and gets 6 or 8 years experience before running for President. Remember, as with Palin, the guy has the most fans NOW. He'll only whittle down that fanbase as they learn more about him - it works that way with everyone.
Yes, moderates voted for him, but that "leave my truck alone!" shit won't play in 2012.
240 - Thune is looking better and better to me every day. Sober, mature, good looking, articulate, great on the issues, clean cut, and conservative.
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no shit. I wish thune would just announce already. no wait, I dont. Hold off until fall of 2011 I guess. But he should be assembling the teams and domain names soon, right? Two years is required these days for the exploratory committees.
Very cool that brown admits that about the vote. Aside from being a little obnoxious, I love the guy. I heard "Brown 2012" all over yesterday - WAY too soon for that. Obama wasn't ready, we saw what happened.
However, all the celebration worries me. "We won!" didn't happen yet. They took back 1 seat. Both the D's and R's are defending 18 seats in 2010... And brown's seat expires in 2012. What NINE senate seats could the Repubs steal in 2010?
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hey, different strokes.
I hope the 2012 candidate doesn't act like Brown acted in his speech last night. Continually bringing up the truck... really? "Take that Obama, I drive a truck!! Ha! And I want to get you on the basketball court!"
He was high on the moment, sure. But I'm hoping he isn't bringing up his daughters dating, his truck, and his ball game nonstop in the future. I hope he verses himself well in the issues, and gets 6 or 8 years experience before running for President. Remember, as with Palin, the guy has the most fans NOW. He'll only whittle down that fanbase as they learn more about him - it works that way with everyone.
Yes, moderates voted for him, but that "leave my truck alone!" shit won't play in 2012.
Relax, man.
He was having fun and throwing back in Obama's face. Obama was the one that started it by making fun of Brown's truck commercial when he showed up to support Coakley.
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no shit. I wish thune would just announce already. no wait, I dont. Hold off until fall of 2011 I guess. But he should be assembling the teams and domain names soon, right? Two years is required these days for the exploratory committees.
Very cool that brown admits that about the vote. Aside from being a little obnoxious, I love the guy. I heard "Brown 2012" all over yesterday - WAY too soon for that. Obama wasn't ready, we saw what happened.
However, all the celebration worries me. "We won!" didn't happen yet. They took back 1 seat. Both the D's and R's are defending 18 seats in 2010... And brown's seat expires in 2012. What NINE senate seats could the Repubs steal in 2010?
You know I like Palin with all my heart, seriously, but my head tells me Thune is the guy at this point.
Back to basics, clean cut guy, pro 2nd amendment, women will love him, no dynasty baggage, conservative, etc.
That being said, I like Brown a lot. A straight male who is a guys guy would wants to elimate terrorists, not bring them down the block from me.
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240 - Thune is looking better and better to me every day. Sober, mature, good looking, articulate, great on the issues, clean cut, and conservative.
And a Christian Wacko. As Wacko as Sarah Palin. Just perfect.
Why oh why can you Republicans not find a Barry Goldwater. Why do your laurels always have to rest on a religious fundamental socially backwards wierdo?
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And a Christian Wacko. As Wacko as Sarah Palin. Just perfect.
Why oh why can you Republicans not find a Barry Goldwater. Why do your laurels always have to rest on a religious fundamental socially backwards wierdo?
The population wont go for a Goldwater. I would in a heartbeat and liked Goldwater a lot and that is my ideal. however, the reality with the electorate is that they wont go for a guy like him.
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The population wont go for a Goldwater. I would in a heartbeat and liked Goldwater a lot and that is my ideal. however, the reality with the electorate is that they wont go for a guy like him.
Why do you think that is so? Goldwater is a true conservative. Not these fly by night religious hypocritical nuts like Palin and Thune, Brown.
Do you think that the current Conservative base is just not that bright? I think they probably haven`t a clue who Barry Goldwater was and if they did, they would probably ostracize him. Your thoughts?
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BAM!
By the 1980s, the increasing influence of the Christian Right on the Republican Party so conflicted with Goldwater's libertarian views that he became a vocal opponent of the religious right on issues such as abortion, gay rights, and the role of religion in public life.[2] Goldwater concentrated on his Senate duties, especially passage of the Goldwater-Nichols Act of 1986.
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Fuck Yeah!
I hate these pussies and PC clowns who say that we shouldn't "waterboard" terrorists blah blah. FUCK YOU. People that try to kill Americans have NO RIGHTS. Waterboarding has probably saved the lives of thousands Americans.
Being PC has done nothing for us. Just look at Fort Hood for example. If they had profiled that nutjob, maybe those innocent Americans would still be alive. We are so concerned with being "politically correct", but at what expense? Tell that to the victim's families of these terrorist attacks. Why that Fort Hood nutjob was not even on a watch list is beyond me.
Now you have this 9/11 trial going to New York. WHAT THE FUCK YOU LEFTY NUTJOBS?!?! You put millions of Americans in danger, re-open the healing wounds of victims, give these terrorists a platform to spout their religious blasphemy, risk these guys going free (evidence thrown out because lack of Miranda rights), AND COST US MILLIONS OF $$$$ WE DONT HAVE.
All for what? To show "America has a strong justice system?". Give me a break.
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The law is the a great weapon to fight terrorism with. It's a shame people like Brown do not see that and instead would rather we create more terrorists through unjust torture and indefinite detentions.
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Why do you think that is so? Goldwater is a true conservative. Not these fly by night religious hypocritical nuts like Palin and Thune, Brown.
Do you think that the current Conservative base is just not that bright? I think they probably haven`t a clue who Barry Goldwater was and if they did, they would probably ostracize him. Your thoughts?
TA, I am as anti-organized religion as they get and shun it like the plague. However, I am honest enough to realise that the population is not that way and are scared off by a guy like Goldwater, for stupid reasons IMHO. So, I have to choose my poison for lack of a better term.
Its not a matter of conservatives not being bright, its a matter of people having their priorities skewed. For me, I loathe people like Huckster and like people more like RP.
So for me, the calculation is do I favor someone who I probably agree with 70% of the time (GOP) or someone I agree with 25% of the time (Dems)?
I dont expect to get 100% from any particular person. But you have people who do and wont accept a Goldwater type because a guy like him or RP scares them, stupidly.
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And a Christian Wacko. As Wacko as Sarah Palin. Just perfect.
Why oh why can you Republicans not find a Barry Goldwater. Why do your laurels always have to rest on a religious fundamental socially backwards wierdo?
Goldwater the Episcopalian?
Listen, jackass. Thune's religious belief is NOT the main reason why he might be a nominee. He is way different and better than the pile of crap that is in the oval office right now.
Why do you assume right away that every Republican cadidate is a religious nut job? Seldom, if ever, does Thune ever talk about religion.
In your tiny brain, anyone who believes in GOD is not fit to be a political leader. That is pretty short sighted.
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Goldwater the Episcopalian?
Listen, jackass. Thune's religious belief is NOT the main reason why he might be a nominee. He is way different and better than the pile of crap that is in the oval office right now.
Why do you assume right away that every Republican cadidate is a religious nut job? Seldom, if ever, does Thune ever talk about religion.
In your tiny brain, anyone who believes in GOD is not fit to be a political leader. That is pretty short sighted.
Uh, do you want to check the religious nutjob school where Thune went and his Social positions? Guy is a religious nut and is not afraid to wear it on his sleeve. Goldwater would disown him.
When you say "radical right" today, I think of these moneymaking ventures by fellows like Pat Robertson and others who are trying to take the Republican Party away from the Republican Party, and make a religious organization out of it. If that ever happens, kiss politics goodbye.
-- Barry Goldwater, The Washington Post (July 28, 1994).
Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the [Republican] party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise. I know, I've tried to deal with them.
-- Barry Goldwater, November, 1994, in John Dean, Conservatives Without Conscience
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An evangelical Christian, Thune graduated with a B.A. degree in Business from Biola University, an Evangelical Christian college near Los Angeles in 1983
He married the former Kimberley Weems of Doland, South Dakota, in 1984; both are committed Evangelical Christians
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Thune has described his religious faith as the most important aspect of his political career: "Having a Christian worldview shapes my decision-making with respect to all aspects of my life. I always respect people in public life who are principled, and those principles have to be connected to something. And my faith is what serves as the anchor and directs my actions.
In a 2005 interview with Christianity Today, Thune supported invading Iraq, expressing a hope that this would result in greater religious freedom: "Liberating Iraq from decades of tyranny and dictatorship, bringing about political freedom, will create an atmosphere of where religious freedom will come to Iraq. And that opens the door, obviously, for the Christian faith there as well."
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An evangelical Christian, Thune graduated with a B.A. degree in Business from Biola University, an Evangelical Christian college near Los Angeles in 1983
He married the former Kimberley Weems of Doland, South Dakota, in 1984; both are committed Evangelical Christians
Pro 2nd amendment
Against - Crap & Tax
Against Deathcare
Against TARP
Against Stim BIll
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An evangelical Christian, Thune graduated with a B.A. degree in Business from Biola University, an Evangelical Christian college near Los Angeles in 1983
He married the former Kimberley Weems of Doland, South Dakota, in 1984; both are committed Evangelical Christians
Let me ask you this TA, do you think the Dems and Obama are doing a good job? (serious question)
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Goldwater knew the communists were a threat, which they still are.
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Biola University is a private, evangelical Christian, liberal arts university located near Los Angeles
Motto : Above All Give Glory to God
The University was founded on February 25, 1908 as the Bible Institute Of Los Angeles by Lyman Stewart
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Pro 2nd amendment
Against - Crap & Tax
Against Deathcare
Against TARP
Against Stim BIll
Dennis Kucinich and Bernie Sanders fit the above. ;)
Seriously, find someone else. Surely there are better people who aren`t nutjobs like Thune but meet the qualifications above.
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Dennis Kucinich voted against Cap and Trade.
Cleveland area Congressman Dennis Kucinich (D-OH) laid out the reasons he opposed and voted against H.R. 2454, The American Clean Energy and Security Act of 2009. The vast majority of fellow Democrats voted in favor of the measure which passed the House and is on the way to the Senate for a vote. Kucinich stated in a press release:
“I oppose H.R. 2454, the American Clean Energy and Security Act of 2009. The reason is simple. It won’t address the problem. In fact, it might make the problem worse.
“It sets targets that are too weak, especially in the short term, and sets about meeting those targets through Enron-style accounting methods. It gives new life to one of the primary sources of the problem that should be on its way out– coal – by giving it record subsidies. And it is rounded out with massive corporate giveaways at taxpayer expense. There is $60 billion for a single technology which may or may not work, but which enables coal power plants to keep warming the planet at least another 20 years.
“Worse, the bill locks us into a framework that will fail. Science tells us that immediately is not soon enough to begin repairing the planet. Waiting another decade or more will virtually guarantee catastrophic levels of warming. But the bill does not require any greenhouse gas reductions beyond current levels until 2030.
“Today’s bill is a fragile compromise, which leads some to claim that we cannot do better. I respectfully submit that not only can we do better; we have no choice but to do better. Indeed, if we pass a bill that only creates the illusion of addressing the problem, we walk away with only an illusion. The price for that illusion is the opportunity to take substantive action.
“There are several aspects of the bill that are problematic.
1. Overall targets are too weak. The bill is predicated on a target atmospheric concentration of 450 parts per million, a target that is arguably justified in the latest report from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, but which is already out of date. Recent science suggests 350 parts per million is necessary to help us avoid the worst effects of global warming.
2. The offsets undercut the emission reductions. Offsets allow polluters to keep polluting; they are rife with fraudulent claims of emissions reduction; they create environmental, social, and economic unintended adverse consequences; and they codify and endorse the idea that polluters do not have to make sacrifices to solve the problem.
3. It kicks the can down the road. By requiring the bulk of the emissions to be carried out in the long term and requiring few reductions in the short term, we are not only failing to take the action when it is needed to address rapid global warming, but we are assuming the long term targets will remain intact.
4. EPA’s authority to help reduce greenhouse gas emissions in the short- to medium-term is rescinded. It is our best defense against a new generation of coal power plants. There is no room for coal as a major energy source in a future with a stable climate.
5. Nuclear power is given a lifeline instead of phasing it out. Nuclear power is far more expensive, has major safety issues including a near release in my own home state in 2002, and there is still no resolution to the waste problem. A recent study by Dr. Mark Cooper showed that it would cost $1.9 trillion to $4.1 trillion more over the life of 100 new nuclear reactors than to generate the same amount of electricity from energy efficiency and renewables.
6. Dirty Coal is given a lifeline instead of phasing it out. Coal-based energy destroys entire mountains, kills and injures workers at higher rates than most other occupations, decimates ecologically sensitive wetlands and streams, creates ponds of ash that are so toxic the Department of Homeland Security will not disclose their locations for fear of their potential to become a terrorist weapon, and fouls the air and water with sulfur oxides, nitrogen oxides, particulates, mercury, polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons, and thousands of other toxic compounds that cause asthma, birth defects, learning disabilities, and pulmonary and cardiac problems for starters. In contrast, several times more jobs are yielded by renewable energy investments than comparable coal investments.
7. The $60 billion allocated for Carbon Capture and Sequestration (CCS) is triple the amount of money for basic research and development in the bill. We should be pressuring China, India and Russia to slow and stop their power plants now instead of enabling their perpetuation. We cannot create that pressure while spending unprecedented amounts on a single technology that may or may not work. If it does not work on the necessary scale, we have then spent 10-20 years emitting more CO2, which we cannot afford to do. In addition, those who will profit from the technology will not be viable or able to stem any leaks from CCS facilities that may occur 50, 100, or 1000 years from now.
8. Carbon markets can and will be manipulated using the same Wall Street sleights of hand that brought us the financial crisis.
9. It is regressive. Free allocations doled out with the intent of blunting the effects on those of modest means will pale in comparison to the allocations that go to polluters and special interests. The financial benefits of offsets and unlimited banking also tend to accrue to large corporations. And of course, the trillion dollar carbon derivatives market will help Wall Street investors. Much of the benefits designed to assist consumers are passed through coal companies and other large corporations, on whom we will rely to pass on the savings.
10. The Renewable Electricity Standard (RES) is not an improvement. The 15% RES standard would be achieved even if we failed to act.
11. Dirty energy options qualify as “renewable”: The bill allows polluting industries to qualify as “renewable energy.” Trash incinerators not only emit greenhouse gases, but also emit highly toxic substances. These plants disproportionately expose communities of color and low-income to the toxics. Biomass burners that allow the use of trees as a fuel source are also defined as “renewable.” Under the bill, neither source of greenhouse gas emissions is counted as contributing to global warming.
12. It undermines our bargaining position in international negotiations in Copenhagen and beyond. As the biggest per capita polluter, we have a responsibility to take action that is disproportionately stronger than the actions of other countries. It is, in fact, the best way to preserve credibility in the international context.
13. International assistance is much less than demanded by developing countries. Given the level of climate change that is already in the pipeline, we are going to need to devote major resources toward adaptation. Developing countries will need it the most, which is why they are calling for much more resources for adaptation and technology transfer than is allocated in this bill. This will also undercut our position in Copenhagen.
“I offered eight amendments and cosponsored two more that collectively would have turned the bill into an acceptable starting point. All amendments were not allowed to be offered to the full House. Three amendments endeavored to minimize the damage that will be done by offsets, a method of achieving greenhouse gas reductions that has already racked up a history of failure to reduce emissions – increasing emissions in some cases – while displacing people in developing countries who rely on the land for their well being.
“Three other amendments would have made the federal government a force for change by requiring all federal energy to eventually come from renewable resources, by requiring the federal government to transition to electric and plug-in hybrid cars, and by requiring the installation of solar panels on government rooftops and parking lots. These provisions would accelerate the transition to a green economy.
“Another amendment would have moved up the year by which reductions of greenhouse gas emissions were required from 2030 to 2025. It would have encouraged the efficient use of allowances and would have reduced opportunities for speculation by reducing the emission value of an allowance by a third each year.
“The last amendment would have removed trash incineration from the definition of renewable energy. Trash incineration is one of the primary sources of environmental injustice in the country. It a primary source of compounds in the air known to cause cancer, asthma, and other chronic diseases. These facilities are disproportionately sited in communities of color and communities of low income. Furthermore, incinerators emit more carbon dioxide per unit of electricity produced than coal-fired power plants.
“Passing a weak bill today gives us weak environmental policy tomorrow,” said Kucinich.
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Dennis Kucinich and Bernie Sanders fit the above. ;)
Seriously, find someone else. Surely there are better people who aren`t nutjobs like Thune but meet the qualifications above.
I abhor their economic policies. I believe in economic liberty they do not.
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333666,
Tell me one policy specifically you abhor of Dennis Kucinch. I think you are a little miffed by the D beside his name. Seriously, can you name one?
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Probably the best clip of all time.
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333666,
Tell me one policy specifically you abhor of Dennis Kucinch. I think you are a little miffed by the D beside his name. Seriously, can you name one?
I am against his single payor stance on health care. I do not believe the govt should take over health care. Dont get me wrong, I like him alot and would vote for him over a RINO since he is honest.
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who are the communists, 333386? Specifically. Saying "Those who..." is very vague. Please list the communists in congress.
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I am against his single payor stance on health care. I do not believe the govt should take over health care. Dont get me wrong, I like him alot and would vote for him over a RINO since he is honest.
I wish Barry Goldwater were around to ridicule Sarah Palin and John Thune. You know he would Pwn the shit out of them.
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I wish Barry Goldwater were around to ridicule Sarah Palin and John Thune. You know he would Pwn the shit out of them.
I have no doubt, however, I agree with Thune and Palin on 80% of other issues, which is good enough for me.
Domestic drilling, pro 2nd amendment, etc.
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I am against his single payor stance on health care. I do not believe the govt should take over health care. Dont get me wrong, I like him alot and would vote for him over a RINO since he is honest.
Single Payer is not a government takeover though. They just pick up the bill. Private Insurance would also still be available to anyone who wanted it.
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who are the communists, 333386? Specifically. Saying "Those who..." is very vague. Please list the communists in congress.
Its not the labels 240, its the policies that are put forth that have communism as their ultimate natural outcome. Ever read this quote?
The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But, under the name of “liberalism,” they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened.”?
“I no longer need to run as a Presidential Candidate for the Socialist Party. The Democrat Party has adopted our platform.”
Norman Mattoon Thomas
(November 20, 1884 – December 19, 1968)
Was a leading American socialist, pacifist, and six-time presidential candidate for the Socialist Party of America.
Biography of N.M.Thomas;
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I have no doubt, however, I agree with Thune and Palin on 80% of other issues, which is good enough for me.
Domestic drilling, pro 2nd amendment, etc.
Domestic Drilling is not a solution for the future though. There is not much to be gained at all. Inevitably the world will be FORCED to switch to an alternative. Band-Aid approaches will do next to nothing in the overall scheme of things.
The answer is staring at us in the face everyday. Solar. Another avenue is Helium-3 trapped in the moon from the sun.
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1.) Close to 80% of Americans identify themselves as Christian.
2.) More Americans “Pro-Life” Than “Pro-Choice”
(http://sas-origin.onstreammedia.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/qgpmcs1jxuwo2l6achm_cg.gif)
3.) More American "Conservative; than "Liberal"
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4.) True Adonis is an idiot
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Domestic Drilling is not a solution for the future though. There is not much to be gained at all. Inevitably the world will be FORCED to switch to an alternative. Band-Aid approaches will do next to nothing in the overall scheme of things.
The answer is staring at us in the face everyday. Solar. Another avenue is Helium-3 trapped in the moon from the sun.
That's fine, but on the other side of the ailse, I see insanity like cap & trade and mandates, retrofit mandates, etc coming from Obama and the others.
The left is the party of command and control, mandates, massive taxes, regulation, etc.
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so i'm curious (and I love a good discussion)...
if you're saying that there are communist elements at work here... can you name at least ONE communist here in America? And, can you name ANy that work in government?
Cause if we can't list a SINGLE ONE in govt, then I'm guessing they're not that much of a threat.
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1.) Close to 80% of Americans identify themselves as Christian.
2.) More Americans “Pro-Life” Than “Pro-Choice”
(http://sas-origin.onstreammedia.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/qgpmcs1jxuwo2l6achm_cg.gif)
3.) More American "Conservative; than "Liberal"
(http://sas-origin.onstreammedia.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/kbbslvggvkexv3o8tr8f8q.gif)
4.) True Adonis is an idiot
Americans are largely stupid. 80 percent is no surprise whatsoever. 40 percent even believe in Noah`s Ark literally. Thanks for pointing out that you are in the percentage of the moro
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so i'm curious (and I love a good discussion)...
if you're saying that there are communist elements at work here... can you name at least ONE communist here in America? And, can you name ANy that work in government?
Cause if we can't list a SINGLE ONE in govt, then I'm guessing they're not that much of a threat.
Sunstein, Holdren, Lloyd, many in the CBC, Obama ("I chose my friends carefully . . the marxists"), many in the organized labor movement, and those who seek the same ends of the socialist agenda, whether they admit to it or not.
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Americans are largely stupid. 80 percent is no surprise whatsoever. 40 percent even believe in Noah`s Ark literally. Thanks for pointing out that you are in the percentage of the moro
Does that include Obama voters as well TA?
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That's fine, but on the other side of the ailse, I see insanity like cap & trade and mandates, retrofit mandates, etc coming from Obama and the others.
The left is the party of command and control, mandates, massive taxes, regulation, etc.
Don`t confuse us ultra liberals with those types. We don`t support any of that.
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Does that include Obama voters as well TA?
Yep. Americans are largely morons Democrat, Republican and Independent. We do not have a well educated electorate whatsoever. Its a shame that we have such a great country and it is populated by an incomprehensible amount of stupidity.
There exists intelligence in only small quantities in any party.
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Yep. Americans are largely morons Democrat, Republican and Independent. We do not have a well educated electorate whatsoever. Its a shame that we have such a great country and it is populated by an incomprehensible amount of stupidity.
There exists intelligence in only small quantities in any party.
That's the reality, its the same idiocy that allows people to focus on American Idol, Jersey Shore, etc.
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Americans are largely stupid. 80 percent is no surprise whatsoever. 40 percent even believe in Noah`s Ark literally. Thanks for pointing out that you are in the percentage of the moro
Unless of course the majority of voters vote for Obama ?
You come on here trying to say who the Republicans should or should not nominate, yet you are a socialist, and you seem to think any one of us care as to who you think would or would not be a good candidate in the Republican party, when your idiotic views are as opposite as one could be from what not only Conservatives think, but most American for that matter.
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so i'm curious (and I love a good discussion)...
if you're saying that there are communist elements at work here... can you name at least ONE communist here in America? And, can you name ANy that work in government?
Cause if we can't list a SINGLE ONE in govt, then I'm guessing they're not that much of a threat.
Ned Isakoff.....occupation: unknown at this time
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Some interesting talking points.
At this point though, we know US politics has hit rock bottom and that this guy will more than likely not follow through.
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Some interesting talking points.
At this point though, we know US politics has hit rock bottom and that this guy will more than likely not follow through.
As long as he casts his 41st vote against the Obamacare bill then he has done his job. Anything after is gravy imo.
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As long as he casts his 41st vote against the Obamacare bill then he has done his job. Anything after is gravy imo.
Meaningless though if they push anything through as Budget Reconciliation. They only need 50 votes. Barney Frank has instructed to NOT do this.
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Unless of course the majority of voters vote for Obama ?
You come on here trying to say who the Republicans should or should not nominate, yet you are a socialist, and you seem to think any one of us care as to who you think would or would not be a good candidate in the Republican party, when your idiotic views are as opposite as one could be from what not only Conservatives think, but most American for that matter.
I am quite confident that the majority of people who voted for any candidate are morons.