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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Steroids Info & Hardcore => Topic started by: lesaucer on January 27, 2010, 08:13:05 PM
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remember abs bro, tricks love abs...... but your good, i was way skinner and now i am bigger than you when i started.....
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remember abs bro, tricks love abs...... but your good, i was way skinner and now i am bigger than you when i started.....
are you saying you had to take steroids to get to his size(or slightly larger) than what he is naturaly?
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yea it is, i know lots of guys who were much smaller and fatter before juicing, and i know a few guys who have been juicing for a while and dont look nearly as big or lean. not to say your anything special, but good enough for juice for sure.
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yea it is, i know lots of guys who were much smaller and fatter before juicing, and i know a few guys who have been juicing for a while and dont look nearly as big or lean. not to say your anything special, but good enough for juice for sure.
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you can say that again ;D
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are you saying you had to take steroids to get to his size(or slightly larger) than what he is naturaly?
dude i started off at 132lbs 5'6....trained naturally for 4 years....got up to maybe 145lbs wet and somehow grew an inch to 5'7.....i tried so hard naturally and could not throw anything on. So i tried some zafa and 3 cycles later I am about 185lbs....i did what i had to bro
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as much as i want to start my cycle today! i feel that i need to start the sauce later, ive put on 60lbs so far naturally and feel like i could push it even more, especially at only 19yo now... my body and mind is telling me that i can improve a lot more. im gonna be patient and train naturally longer. hardcore training ,eat big,sleep big, get big, fullblown baby see ya in a few years dark side! peace!
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dude i started off at 132lbs 5'6....trained naturally for 4 years....got up to maybe 145lbs wet and somehow grew an inch to 5'7.....i tried so hard naturally and could not throw anything on. So i tried some zafa and 3 cycles later I am about 185lbs....i did what i had to bro
you missed the ''eat big'' part i think
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Dude i was eating big.....I ate 6 full meals a day at least 6000 calories when i tried naturally
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as much as i want to start my cycle today! i feel that i need to start the sauce later, ive put on 60lbs so far naturally and feel like i could push it even more, especially at only 19yo now... my body and mind is telling me that i can improve a lot more. im gonna be patient and train naturally longer. hardcore training ,eat big,sleep big, get big, fullblown baby see ya in a few years dark side! peace!
very good choice bro...19 hell your test levels are higher naturally more so now than they ever will be....bust ass for a few more years then reevaluate.....to many guys don't want to put in the hard work & want to take the easy way...you don't seem like one of those guys...Gear might be the way to go in a few years depending on your goals..but until then push your natural genetics to the limits...best of luck man...
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dude i started off at 132lbs 5'6....trained naturally for 4 years....got up to maybe 145lbs wet and somehow grew an inch to 5'7.....i tried so hard naturally and could not throw anything on. So i tried some zafa and 3 cycles later I am about 185lbs....i did what i had to bro
eh...I don't know man...how old were you when you started training?/using gear?....
I'm really not trying to flame you bro but 3 cycles and only 185lbs?sounds to me you might be doing more wrong than just drinking alcohol while on your cycle....
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very good choice bro...19 hell your test levels are higher naturally more so now than they ever will be....bust ass for a few more years then reevaluate.....to many guys don't want to put in the hard work & want to take the easy way...you don't seem like one of those guys...Gear might be the way to go in a few years depending on your goals..but until then push your natural genetics to the limits...best of luck man...
Agree with this. You have a couple more years of consistant, obsessive training/eating to do IMO. If you after a couple more years of hardcore training/eating, that means no periods where you are not striving for that goal and are motivated still, still want more and I mean after a couple more years of trying to maximize your natural potential in everyway then I would consider it. You need to be on your own schedule as far as eating goes too, not just what Mom makes or gives you.
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Agree with this. You have a couple more years of consistant, obsessive training/eating to do IMO. If you after a couple more years of hardcore training/eating, that means no periods where you are not striving for that goal and are motivated still, still want more and I mean after a couple more years of trying to maximize your natural potential in everyway then I would consider it. You need to be on your own schedule as far as eating goes too, not just what Mom makes or gives you.
i live alone, eat my own food and im currently in college studying to be a dietitian, i know how to eat...
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eh...I don't know man...how old were you when you started training?/using gear?....
I'm really not trying to flame you bro but 3 cycles and only 185lbs?sounds to me you might be doing more wrong than just drinking alcohol while on your cycle....
I did my first cycle at 24 I am 26 now, and I took your advice i don't drink while taking Dbol.......and also on my prior cycles, I drank maybe 3-5 drinks once a week at the most or if at all.....All the guys in my family are small, but athletic, both my uncles wrestled at 145 in the Olympics in the 1970s and my dad still runs marathons at 63 years old and beats 18 year olds. Just DNA that wants me to be 145 i guess, I did pretty low doses i just started my 3rd cycle the other day and i upped the dosage a bit.....plus i am not trying to look like Arnold I hope to get up to about 200lbs and stay there....i am not trying to body build I am just trying to get up to a decent size for cosmetic reasons...flame me i know people disagree with saucing for that reason. I don't get offended by people disagreeing with me over the internet....
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well my advise will probly be sneered at,,,,, but you should either stay natty for a few more years and max out your gains, but definatly dont bother with little cycles here n there, as it will fuck u up right now
this will sound very irresponsible but if your goin to compete as a teen or jnr and think u have what it takes, go on and go on propperly, big doses from the start... i still think you can realy change your body in that period of your life, trab had similar theorys about this too,,,, weather its healthy or safe is another matter completely
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well my advise will probly be sneered at,,,,, but you should either stay natty for a few more years and max out your gains, but definatly dont bother with little cycles here n there, as it will fuck u up right now
this will sound very irresponsible but if your goin to compete as a teen or jnr and think u have what it takes, go on and go on propperly, big doses from the start... i still think you can realy change your body in that period of your life, trab had similar theorys about this too,,,, weather its healthy or safe is another matter completely
Agreed, it all depends on ones goals.
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You could be bigger or more conditioned, but as long as you're tinkered around with consistent diets and trained hard for a few years, I'd say jump in. Some guys aren't particularly genetic phenoms but find out what works with them right from the get go. Others train for a long time, fuck up lots and then start making great gains. I'm the latter.
Took me a while before making appreciable gains. I did literally double my weight after a year and a half, but I wasn't satisfied. Dropped some weight and put on quality muscle, then started juicing around a solid ass 170lbs or so. Been over 200lbs again but sitting between 180-190lb big and conditioned-ass-pounds feels a lot better for me.
People on the internet will snap and cry about their glorious e-stats but do they look good with a shirt off? No. They've gotta wear a skin tight t-shirt to look good. I may be smaller, but you can see my traps, lats, pecs and even my fucking abs sometimes through a long sleeve shirt or sweater. When I'm wearing a beater or jersey then you see how conditioned I am. People in real life will say "YES", juice it up, because what matters is what you LOOK like and your level of experience. Don't obsess over numbers like people over the internet. They think you must be 240lbs with 6-8 years of training with 12% bf before you start juicing. I've had buds juice at 155lbs and now they're 180lbs of pure muscle with virtually no bodyfat whatsoever. While they are only 5'6", they would instantly sweep any local or provincial show. After they win provincials this year I want to get them competing nationally. You just need a brain, some balls and hard work ethic. If you think you're honestly ready, then you probably are.
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At 19 you are too young. If you were 25 I would say go for it now. But at 19 wait at least 2or3 years or more. Your body obviously responds to weight training naturally, so no need to juice just yet.
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You could be bigger or more conditioned, but as long as you're tinkered around with consistent diets and trained hard for a few years, I'd say jump in. Some guys aren't particularly genetic phenoms but find out what works with them right from the get go. Others train for a long time, fuck up lots and then start making great gains. I'm the latter.
Took me a while before making appreciable gains. I did literally double my weight after a year and a half, but I wasn't satisfied. Dropped some weight and put on quality muscle, then started juicing around a solid ass 170lbs or so. Been over 200lbs again but sitting between 180-190lb big and conditioned-ass-pounds feels a lot better for me.
People on the internet will snap and cry about their glorious e-stats but do they look good with a shirt off? No. They've gotta wear a skin tight t-shirt to look good. I may be smaller, but you can see my traps, lats, pecs and even my fucking abs sometimes through a long sleeve shirt or sweater. When I'm wearing a beater or jersey then you see how conditioned I am. People in real life will say "YES", juice it up, because what matters is what you LOOK like and your level of experience. Don't obsess over numbers like people over the internet. They think you must be 240lbs with 6-8 years of training with 12% bf before you start juicing. I've had buds juice at 155lbs and now they're 180lbs of pure muscle with virtually no bodyfat whatsoever. While they are only 5'6", they would instantly sweep any local or provincial show. After they win provincials this year I want to get them competing nationally. You just need a brain, some balls and hard work ethic. If you think you're honestly ready, then you probably are.
I know i am ready for it. but it would be better to wait a few years until i finish school get my diploma get my job get my money. when this is done ill be only 22-23, and if i still have the motivation ill jump in very seriously and maybe you guys gonna see me on the olympia stage :D the desire to get on gear is crazy but i am also a perfectionist, if i juice im gonna hardcore juice so i can be the absolute best i can be and i feel that the time is not appropriate to do so now
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I know i am ready for it. but it would be better to wait a few years until i finish school get my diploma get my job get my money. when this is done ill be only 22-23, and if i still have the motivation ill jump in very seriously and maybe you guys gonna see me on the olympia stage :D the desire to get on gear is crazy but i am also a perfectionist, if i juice im gonna hardcore juice so i can be the absolute best i can be and i feel that the time is not appropriate to do so now
I'm a perfectionist too and trust me, once you do it it will change your perception on everything. Just jump in, get your toes wet and be very observant. See what works and what doesn't. Keep training hard and be optimistic. I made a ton of mistakes and did my first two cycles with absolutely nothing to show, it actually set me back from my natural peak. I trained for a good year and a bit before hopping back on the sauce trolley and now I'm doing things properly.
Don't rush it. Just have fun and learn all you can. Nothing is a failure, it's just an unexpected learning opportunity. If you don't respond as favorably as you'd like, just keep hitting it hard and the results will come. Remember that they're not a miracle drug and the excitement will wear off.
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once you get on juice you will realise just how small you are and how slow muscle building really is. 99% of natural bb'rs are very delusioned about their own muscle and about human potential. you actually look pretty damn good, in a picture everybody loses alot of the effect of seeing them in the real world, and when you can look impressive in a picture, then your definitely a presence in real life. i think most naturals think they look like what they feel like.. because a natty bbr will be bigger than most people , they feel big and muscular...and when they look at pictures of pro bodybuilders they think they look something like they do, because thats kind of how people act around them.... once you get on juice you will understand what it really means to be "huge" (even if you dont get huge, youll realise just what it means to betruly huge.....and probably why youl get addicted)
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once you get on juice you will realise just how small you are and how slow muscle building really is. 99% of natural bb'rs are very delusioned about their own muscle and about human potential. you actually look pretty damn good, in a picture everybody loses alot of the effect of seeing them in the real world, and when you can look impressive in a picture, then your definitely a presence in real life. i think most naturals think they look like what they feel like.. because a natty bbr will be bigger than most people , they feel big and muscular...and when they look at pictures of pro bodybuilders they think they look something like they do, because thats kind of how people act around them.... once you get on juice you will understand what it really means to be "huge" (even if you dont get huge, youll realise just what it means to betruly huge.....and probably why youl get addicted)
Like I said before man, you're seriously like my white, jacked up twin!!
Hit the nail on the hammer again. Natty's ARE delusional. I'm sure every single one of us can think back when we pondered whether IFBB pros were on drugs, thinking that we're gonna hit the gym balls to the wall and tear through protein tubs and gain a shitload of muscle like no one's ever seen before LOL... ahh, ignorance is bliss. Still have some buds that are delusional like this and question the ethics of taking creatine and glutamine - are they cheating the world, or just cheating themselves? :o ;D
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Like I said before man, you're seriously like my white, jacked up twin!!
Hit the nail on the hammer again. Natty's ARE delusional. I'm sure every single one of us can think back when we pondered whether IFBB pros were on drugs, thinking that we're gonna hit the gym balls to the wall and tear through protein tubs and gain a shitload of muscle like no one's ever seen before LOL... ahh, ignorance is bliss. Still have some buds that are delusional like this and question the ethics of taking creatine and glutamine - are they cheating the world, or just cheating themselves? :o ;D
hahahahahaaha ;D i heard my a friend of a friend stayed on no explode for three months straight and ended up with kidney stones and no nut sack. he was fucking JACKED though.
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hahahahahaaha ;D i heard my a friend of a friend stayed on no explode for three months straight and ended up with kidney stones and no nut sack. he was fucking JACKED though.
Hope he used some milk thistle after that badass cycle!! 8)
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hahahahahaaha ;D i heard my a friend of a friend stayed on no explode for three months straight and ended up with kidney stones and no nut sack. he was fucking JACKED though.
lolll i hate the retards that have no clue about training and ask me DO U TAKE PROTEINS!?!!? like it was aas loll retard i usually just say no to them haha
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alright i changed my mind once again, mostly because of the fucking end of the world in 2012. but also because this proverb popped on the screen after deciding to wait more years ''If you wait to do everything until you're sure it's right, you'll problably never do much of anything.'' god sign. I know my shit and got nothing to lose anyway. gonna start dbol,test,prov time to go FULLBLOWN BABY
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Starting young with AAS can stunt growth and mess with your internal organs, but overall if you are done growing (heigth) at 19, and you look conditioned and have been training, for 3 4 or 5 years, you should be the judge of when to start and when to continue or stop if you are having issues. Each hormone has specific sides, Test, est, nan, prog, all cause different conditions like water retention, agression, acne, liver and kidney and other organ (pancrease, stomach, intestines)function impairment or enhancement.
You need to start with 1 compound and not do too many at once to start or you will have extremely bad sides.
I suggest test only 300-400mg/week to supplement your natural hormones, and then go up to the higher dose once you shut down and cruise for as long as you can stand the sides, and are relatively heatlthy compared to when you started. Take some pct for a long time and don't stop lifting AT ALL. How hard you lift when you come off and how much you maintain your routine from being on will produce the best rate of retention for gains. I don't train for size, I train for strength, agility, speed, stamina and endurance, purposefully staying at 169-185lb, and I can say the harder you go on, the more you lose if you don't keep it up when you come off.
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alright i changed my mind once again, mostly because of the fucking end of the world in 2012. but also because this proverb popped on the screen after deciding to wait more years ''If you wait to do everything until you're sure it's right, you'll problably never do much of anything.'' god sign. I know my shit and got nothing to lose anyway. gonna start dbol,test,prov time to go FULLBLOWN BABY
wow...You went from sounding like you might have had a good head on your shoulders to now sounding quite immature & naive....Mostly because of 2012?...a sign from god?....yea sounds reasonable to me :-\...
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wow...You went from sounding like you might have had a good head on your shoulders to now sounding quite immature & naive....Mostly because of 2012?...a sign from god?....yea sounds reasonable to me :-\...
nah man, its just that one cycle shouldnt do much harm to me, and realizing that i could die tomorrow make me feel that i should do what i like to do to the fullest, without abuse of course and alot of precautions. also when i will go off im just gonna go back to my natural limit, im not gonna lose anything as long as i keep eating big,sleeping big, hardcore training. I know what work and what doesnt for me and feel like i am very close to my natural limit already, i dont do this to be in shape because i cant naturally like all the lazy who juice at my gym, then go off and you dont see them for like 2months and look like shit, im already in shape and almost as big as them naturally. id like to try competing one day only if i know i could be TOP best and think that its at a young age like i am now that i can build the best foundation
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what is more damagin to your health, life style A or lifestyle B?
lifestyle A= regular intense exercise, Healthy diet, artifically enhanced hormone levels
lifestyle B= very rarely exercise, Unhealthy diet, Regular hormone levels
Which one? probably, based on my limited knowledge of physiology, Lifestyle B. Inactivity and a bad diet are quite damaging, i do know that. I also know that intense exercise is vry good at lowering blood pressure, improving your good/bad cholestrol ratio, and numerous other things. Most bodybuilders eat vegetables and take fishoiuls, and both of those are super great for longevity and overall health, with thouands of known phytochemicals in vegetables, and probably thousands of unkown phytochemicals...all of which serve purpouses in our bodies and help protect us from aging and death.
most people are lifestyle B. most bodybuilders are lifstyle A. Yes, a bodybuilder would be better off without using steroids. But even while using steroids, their healthy diets and workouts keep them in pretty good shape compared to the average person. and the average person lives about 70 years. nowdays more like 80.
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Starting young with AAS can stunt growth and mess with your internal organs, but overall if you are done growing (heigth) at 19, and you look conditioned and have been training, for 3 4 or 5 years, you should be the judge of when to start and when to continue or stop if you are having issues. Each hormone has specific sides, Test, est, nan, prog, all cause different conditions like water retention, agression, acne, liver and kidney and other organ (pancrease, stomach, intestines)function impairment or enhancement.
You need to start with 1 compound and not do too many at once to start or you will have extremely bad sides.
I suggest test only 300-400mg/week to supplement your natural hormones, and then go up to the higher dose once you shut down and cruise for as long as you can stand the sides, and are relatively heatlthy compared to when you started.
this is exaclty what you dont want to do, it will only set u back over, go on propperly or not at all.....
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this is exaclty what you dont want to do, it will only set u back over, go on propperly or not at all.....
What the fuck are you talking about? This is the best advice. I'd suggest getting familiar with test before anything, then add other androgens to the mix. I don't suggest a long test cycle because it decreases collagen synthesis and is relatively boring, but maybe just blast for 6 weeks with some prop. Hell, front load with some suspension and THEN you'll become acquainted with exogenous test.
After that, test and tren. I know it's a heavy hitting androgen but it's straight to the point. Either that or just try out everything else under the sun. I've tried all the conventional injectable steroids other than deca. I'm thinking I can handle the prolactin/progesterone but want to have more cabergoline on hand before going that route. Also, summer is fast approaching so I might just supplement with some deca just for joint support. Bought 6 vials a few months back only to get violently ill for two months!!
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nah, i totaly dissagree,,,, in the case of playing it safe, at that age your best of staying natural for few more years, totaly pointless fucking around with your levels for no reason whatso ever... all depends on your goals of course..
talk to any 'honest' bodybuilder whos competed as a teen or under 21 and theyl tell you exactly the same, the point i was making earlier was you can totaly change your body as a teen with steroids if you so wish, but the little cycle here an there is nothing but couter productive,,, realy is best to wait until youve totaly maxed your natural gains before you start on that path...
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What the fuck are you talking about? This is the best advice. I'd suggest getting familiar with test before anything, then add other androgens to the mix. I don't suggest a long test cycle because it decreases collagen synthesis and is relatively boring, but maybe just blast for 6 weeks with some prop. Hell, front load with some suspension and THEN you'll become acquainted with exogenous test.
After that, test and tren. I know it's a heavy hitting androgen but it's straight to the point. Either that or just try out everything else under the sun. I've tried all the conventional injectable steroids other than deca. I'm thinking I can handle the prolactin/progesterone but want to have more cabergoline on hand before going that route. Also, summer is fast approaching so I might just supplement with some deca just for joint support. Bought 6 vials a few months back only to get violently ill for two months!!
D, youve never run deca? Your in for a great time when you do. Strength gains are similar to tren, as you feel like you can lift a friggin house, with the added benefit of smooth pain free joints. I think your in for a real treat. If you run nandralone high enough, you can really tell the difference. Dont fuck around run it @ 500-600mg ew, def have caber on hand.
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D, youve never run deca? Your in for a great time when you do. Strength gains are similar to tren, as you feel like you can lift a friggin house, with the added benefit of smooth pain free joints. I think your in for a real treat. If you run nandralone high enough, you can really tell the difference. Dont fuck around run it @ 500-600mg ew, def have caber on hand.
Guess I'll order up some caber. Despite not eating very well, I'm actually leaning out and my sex drive is absolutely ridiculous. No signs of nipple soreness either so maybe I will run that deca after all. Worst case scenario, I'll just scale the dose back and run therapeutic doses for my joints.
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good natural base = a minimum ofstrength and muscle for me.
i mean at least a 400/450 squat a 500 dead and a 300 bench for an average athelete with a decent bodyfat.
actually a guy at my gym started a cycle (1 sust/week), he's on week 8, he bench press flew up from a single at 220 to a set of 4 at ...220 lbs.
he's an asshole, don't know how to train how to diet, but he plan to do a second cycle soon with heavier dose.