IS THIS A GOOD NATURAL BASE BEFORE CYCLE?

[lesaucer]

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[1-503rd_IN]

remember abs bro, tricks love abs...... but your good, i was way skinner and now i am bigger than you when i started.....

[big L dawg]

remember abs bro, tricks love abs...... but your good, i was way skinner and now i am bigger than you when i started.....

are you saying you had to take steroids to get to his size(or slightly larger) than what he is naturaly?

[tbombz]

yea it is, i know lots of guys who were much smaller and fatter before juicing, and i know a few guys who have been juicing for a while and dont look nearly as big or lean. not to say your anything special, but good enough for juice for sure.

[tbombz]

yea it is, i know lots of guys who were much smaller and fatter before juicing, and i know a few guys who have been juicing for a while and dont look nearly as big or lean. not to say your anything special, but good enough for juice for sure.

[big L dawg]

you can say that again

[1-503rd_IN]

are you saying you had to take steroids to get to his size(or slightly larger) than what he is naturaly?

dude i started off at 132lbs 5'6....trained naturally for 4 years....got up to maybe 145lbs wet and somehow grew an inch to 5'7.....i tried so hard naturally and could not throw anything on.  So i tried some zafa and 3 cycles later I am about 185lbs....i did what i had to bro

[lesaucer]

as much as i want to start my cycle today! i feel that i need to start the sauce later, ive put on 60lbs so far naturally and feel like i could push it even more, especially at only 19yo now... my body and mind is telling me that i can improve a lot more. im gonna be patient and train naturally longer. hardcore training ,eat big,sleep big, get big, fullblown baby see ya in a few years dark side! peace!

[lesaucer]

dude i started off at 132lbs 5'6....trained naturally for 4 years....got up to maybe 145lbs wet and somehow grew an inch to 5'7.....i tried so hard naturally and could not throw anything on.  So i tried some zafa and 3 cycles later I am about 185lbs....i did what i had to bro

you missed the ''eat big'' part i think

[1-503rd_IN]

Dude i was eating big.....I ate 6 full meals a day at least 6000 calories when i tried naturally

[big L dawg]

as much as i want to start my cycle today! i feel that i need to start the sauce later, ive put on 60lbs so far naturally and feel like i could push it even more, especially at only 19yo now... my body and mind is telling me that i can improve a lot more. im gonna be patient and train naturally longer. hardcore training ,eat big,sleep big, get big, fullblown baby see ya in a few years dark side! peace!

very good choice bro...19 hell your test levels are higher naturally more so now than they ever will be....bust ass for a few more years then reevaluate.....to many guys don't want to put in the hard work & want to take the easy way...you don't seem like one of those guys...Gear might be the way to go in a few years depending on your goals..but until then push your natural genetics to the limits...best of luck man...

[big L dawg]

dude i started off at 132lbs 5'6....trained naturally for 4 years....got up to maybe 145lbs wet and somehow grew an inch to 5'7.....i tried so hard naturally and could not throw anything on.  So i tried some zafa and 3 cycles later I am about 185lbs....i did what i had to bro

eh...I don't know man...how old were you when you started training?/using gear?....

I'm really not trying to flame you bro but 3 cycles and only 185lbs?sounds to me you might be doing more wrong than just drinking alcohol while on your cycle....

[Luv2Hurt]

very good choice bro...19 hell your test levels are higher naturally more so now than they ever will be....bust ass for a few more years then reevaluate.....to many guys don't want to put in the hard work & want to take the easy way...you don't seem like one of those guys...Gear might be the way to go in a few years depending on your goals..but until then push your natural genetics to the limits...best of luck man...

Agree with this.  You have a couple more years of consistant, obsessive training/eating to do IMO.  If you after a couple more years of hardcore training/eating, that means no periods where you are not striving for that goal and are motivated still, still want more and I mean after a couple more years of trying to maximize your natural potential in everyway then I would consider it.  You need to be on your own schedule as far as eating goes too, not just what Mom makes or gives you.

[lesaucer]

Agree with this.  You have a couple more years of consistant, obsessive training/eating to do IMO.  If you after a couple more years of hardcore training/eating, that means no periods where you are not striving for that goal and are motivated still, still want more and I mean after a couple more years of trying to maximize your natural potential in everyway then I would consider it.  You need to be on your own schedule as far as eating goes too, not just what Mom makes or gives you.

i live alone, eat my own food and im currently in college studying to be a dietitian, i know how to eat...

[1-503rd_IN]

eh...I don't know man...how old were you when you started training?/using gear?....

I'm really not trying to flame you bro but 3 cycles and only 185lbs?sounds to me you might be doing more wrong than just drinking alcohol while on your cycle....

I did my first cycle at 24 I am 26 now, and I took your advice i don't drink while taking Dbol.......and also on my prior cycles, I drank maybe 3-5 drinks once a week at the most or if at all.....All the guys in my family are small, but athletic, both my uncles wrestled at 145 in the Olympics in the 1970s and my dad still runs marathons at 63 years old and beats 18 year olds.  Just DNA that wants me to be 145 i guess, I did pretty low doses i just started my 3rd cycle the other day and i upped the dosage a bit.....plus i am not trying to look like Arnold I hope to get up to about 200lbs and stay there....i am not trying to body build I am just trying to get up to a decent size for cosmetic reasons...flame me i know people disagree with saucing for that reason.  I don't get offended by people disagreeing with me over the internet....

[local hero]

well my advise will probly be sneered at,,,,, but you should either stay natty for a few more years and max out your gains, but definatly dont bother with little cycles here n there, as it will fuck u up right now

this will sound very irresponsible but if your goin to compete as a teen or jnr and think u have what it takes, go on and go on propperly, big doses from the start... i still think you can realy change your body in that period of your life, trab had similar theorys about this too,,,, weather its healthy or safe is another matter completely

[4thAD]

well my advise will probly be sneered at,,,,, but you should either stay natty for a few more years and max out your gains, but definatly dont bother with little cycles here n there, as it will fuck u up right now

this will sound very irresponsible but if your goin to compete as a teen or jnr and think u have what it takes, go on and go on propperly, big doses from the start... i still think you can realy change your body in that period of your life, trab had similar theorys about this too,,,, weather its healthy or safe is another matter completely

Agreed, it all depends on ones goals.

[dustin]

You could be bigger or more conditioned, but as long as you're tinkered around with consistent diets and trained hard for a few years, I'd say jump in. Some guys aren't particularly genetic phenoms but find out what works with them right from the get go. Others train for a long time, fuck up lots and then start making great gains. I'm the latter.

Took me a while before making appreciable gains. I did literally double my weight after a year and a half, but I wasn't satisfied. Dropped some weight and put on quality muscle, then started juicing around a solid ass 170lbs or so. Been over 200lbs again but sitting between 180-190lb big and conditioned-ass-pounds feels a lot better for me.

People on the internet will snap and cry about their glorious e-stats but do they look good with a shirt off? No. They've gotta wear a skin tight t-shirt to look good. I may be smaller, but you can see my traps, lats, pecs and even my fucking abs sometimes through a long sleeve shirt or sweater. When I'm wearing a beater or jersey then you see how conditioned I am. People in real life will say "YES", juice it up, because what matters is what you LOOK like and your level of experience. Don't obsess over numbers like people over the internet. They think you must be 240lbs with 6-8 years of training with 12% bf before you start juicing. I've had buds juice at 155lbs and now they're 180lbs of pure muscle with virtually no bodyfat whatsoever. While they are only 5'6", they would instantly sweep any local or provincial show. After they win provincials this year I want to get them competing nationally. You just need a brain, some balls and hard work ethic. If you think you're honestly ready, then you probably are.

[calfzilla]

At 19 you are too young.  If you were 25 I would say go for it now.  But at 19 wait at least 2or3 years or more.  Your body obviously responds to weight training naturally, so no need to juice just yet. 

[lesaucer]

You could be bigger or more conditioned, but as long as you're tinkered around with consistent diets and trained hard for a few years, I'd say jump in. Some guys aren't particularly genetic phenoms but find out what works with them right from the get go. Others train for a long time, fuck up lots and then start making great gains. I'm the latter.

Took me a while before making appreciable gains. I did literally double my weight after a year and a half, but I wasn't satisfied. Dropped some weight and put on quality muscle, then started juicing around a solid ass 170lbs or so. Been over 200lbs again but sitting between 180-190lb big and conditioned-ass-pounds feels a lot better for me.

People on the internet will snap and cry about their glorious e-stats but do they look good with a shirt off? No. They've gotta wear a skin tight t-shirt to look good. I may be smaller, but you can see my traps, lats, pecs and even my fucking abs sometimes through a long sleeve shirt or sweater. When I'm wearing a beater or jersey then you see how conditioned I am. People in real life will say "YES", juice it up, because what matters is what you LOOK like and your level of experience. Don't obsess over numbers like people over the internet. They think you must be 240lbs with 6-8 years of training with 12% bf before you start juicing. I've had buds juice at 155lbs and now they're 180lbs of pure muscle with virtually no bodyfat whatsoever. While they are only 5'6", they would instantly sweep any local or provincial show. After they win provincials this year I want to get them competing nationally. You just need a brain, some balls and hard work ethic. If you think you're honestly ready, then you probably are.

I know i am ready for it. but it would be better to wait a few years until i finish school get my diploma get my job get my money. when this is done ill be only 22-23, and if i still have the motivation ill jump in very seriously and maybe you guys gonna see me on the olympia stage    the desire to get on gear is crazy but i am also a perfectionist, if i juice im gonna hardcore juice so i can be the absolute best i can be and i feel that the time is not appropriate to do so now

[dustin]

I know i am ready for it. but it would be better to wait a few years until i finish school get my diploma get my job get my money. when this is done ill be only 22-23, and if i still have the motivation ill jump in very seriously and maybe you guys gonna see me on the olympia stage    the desire to get on gear is crazy but i am also a perfectionist, if i juice im gonna hardcore juice so i can be the absolute best i can be and i feel that the time is not appropriate to do so now

I'm a perfectionist too and trust me, once you do it it will change your perception on everything. Just jump in, get your toes wet and be very observant. See what works and what doesn't. Keep training hard and be optimistic. I made a ton of mistakes and did my first two cycles with absolutely nothing to show, it actually set me back from my natural peak. I trained for a good year and a bit before hopping back on the sauce trolley and now I'm doing things properly.

Don't rush it. Just have fun and learn all you can. Nothing is a failure, it's just an unexpected learning opportunity. If you don't respond as favorably as you'd like, just keep hitting it hard and the results will come. Remember that they're not a miracle drug and the excitement will wear off.

[tbombz]

once you get on juice you will realise just how small you are and how slow muscle building really is. 99% of natural bb'rs are very delusioned about their own muscle and about human potential. you actually look pretty damn good, in a picture everybody loses alot of the effect of seeing them in the real world, and when you can look impressive in a picture, then your definitely a presence in real life. i think most naturals think they look like what they feel like.. because a natty bbr will be bigger than most people , they feel big and muscular...and when they look at pictures of pro bodybuilders they think they look something like they do, because thats kind of how people act around them....   once you get on juice  you will understand what it really means to be "huge" (even if you dont get huge, youll realise just what it means to betruly huge.....and probably why youl get addicted)

[dustin]

once you get on juice you will realise just how small you are and how slow muscle building really is. 99% of natural bb'rs are very delusioned about their own muscle and about human potential. you actually look pretty damn good, in a picture everybody loses alot of the effect of seeing them in the real world, and when you can look impressive in a picture, then your definitely a presence in real life. i think most naturals think they look like what they feel like.. because a natty bbr will be bigger than most people , they feel big and muscular...and when they look at pictures of pro bodybuilders they think they look something like they do, because thats kind of how people act around them....   once you get on juice  you will understand what it really means to be "huge" (even if you dont get huge, youll realise just what it means to betruly huge.....and probably why youl get addicted)

Like I said before man, you're seriously like my white, jacked up twin!!

Hit the nail on the hammer again. Natty's ARE delusional. I'm sure every single one of us can think back when we pondered whether IFBB pros were on drugs, thinking that we're gonna hit the gym balls to the wall and tear through protein tubs and gain a shitload of muscle like no one's ever seen before LOL... ahh, ignorance is bliss. Still have some buds that are delusional like this and question the ethics of taking creatine and glutamine - are they cheating the world, or just cheating themselves?

[tbombz]

Like I said before man, you're seriously like my white, jacked up twin!!

Hit the nail on the hammer again. Natty's ARE delusional. I'm sure every single one of us can think back when we pondered whether IFBB pros were on drugs, thinking that we're gonna hit the gym balls to the wall and tear through protein tubs and gain a shitload of muscle like no one's ever seen before LOL... ahh, ignorance is bliss. Still have some buds that are delusional like this and question the ethics of taking creatine and glutamine - are they cheating the world, or just cheating themselves?

hahahahahaaha    i heard my a friend of a friend stayed on no explode for three months straight and ended up with kidney stones and no nut sack. he was fucking JACKED though.

[dustin]

hahahahahaaha    i heard my a friend of a friend stayed on no explode for three months straight and ended up with kidney stones and no nut sack. he was fucking JACKED though.

Hope he used some milk thistle after that badass cycle!!