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Title: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: Doug_Steele on February 10, 2010, 07:08:47 PM
What do you guys have? I am lookin at a Mac but here alot of negatives.
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: titusisback on February 10, 2010, 07:12:11 PM
What do you guys have? I am lookin at a Mac but here alot of negatives.

If you're arrogant, wish to overpay and are into graphic design, get a MAC. Otherwise PC.
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: Doug_Steele on February 10, 2010, 07:14:47 PM
If you're arrogant, wish to overpay and are into graphic design, get a MAC. Otherwise PC.

It just looks like it is more of a "Style Computer"  >:( Like saying, look at me and how much money i will spend on a laptop. $2,500 is alot for a Laptop.
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: timfogarty on February 10, 2010, 07:17:23 PM
Unless you're doing video editing or lots of virtualization, I'm sure the low end Mac is plenty for your needs.  Yes you pay a premium for Macs, but think of all the time and money you'll save not having to rebuild your system because of some virus.
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: drkaje on February 10, 2010, 07:18:00 PM
Macs are just plain better.
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: Doug_Steele on February 10, 2010, 07:20:45 PM
Unless you're doing video editing or lots of virtualization, I'm sure the low end Mac is plenty for your needs.  Yes you pay a premium for Macs, but think of all the time and money you'll save not having to rebuild your system because of some virus.

Great Point!! I could be sold on that one right there.  8)
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: Tony Doherty on February 10, 2010, 07:30:22 PM
No comparison, I ahve had mac for years now, have converted some die hard pc users, all have said they would never go back to pc after using mac.

If you can afford it, there is no choice to be made, go mac, don't look back!
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: Doug_Steele on February 10, 2010, 07:33:07 PM
No comparison, I ahve had mac for years now, have converted some die hard pc users, all have said they would never go back to pc after using mac.

If you can afford it, there is no choice to be made, go mac, don't look back!

$2,500 is alittle much for a laptop though.  8)
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: BayGBM on February 10, 2010, 07:34:52 PM
What do you guys have? I am lookin at a Mac but here alot of negatives.

Most people who have Macs love their computers.  Not many PC owners love their PCs. :-\
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: drkaje on February 10, 2010, 07:35:12 PM
Once you've had Mac, you never go back.
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: stuntmovie on February 10, 2010, 07:35:38 PM
MAC = Expensive but definitely worth it.
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: Hypo on February 10, 2010, 07:36:36 PM
If you don't know how to protect yourself with a half decent firewall and anti-virus, you should get a Mac. Old people, retards, etc.
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: The True Adonis on February 10, 2010, 07:37:41 PM
Unless you're doing video editing or lots of virtualization, I'm sure the low end Mac is plenty for your needs.  Yes you pay a premium for Macs, but think of all the time and money you'll save not having to rebuild your system because of some virus.
I`ve never had a virus with a PC ever.  A PC can easily be built with parts now that will take MAC a decade to match in performance.  MAC=Garbage.
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: titusisback on February 10, 2010, 07:39:32 PM
Most people who have Macs love their computers.  Not many PC owners love their PCs. :-\

I got both. My MAC sits on my table practically unused. Love my PC. I do lots of technical stuff with my computer - MAC is not the greatest for that. But as I said in my first post, if you're into graphic editing - or generic computer using such as browsing the web, yeah.. MAC can be great. Got to love though how Jobs ass rapes every MAC owner with the inflated prices and they don't even complain.
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: Natural Man on February 10, 2010, 07:41:38 PM
Unless you're doing video editing or lots of virtualization, I'm sure the low end Mac is plenty for your needs.  Yes you pay a premium for Macs, but think of all the time and money you'll save not having to rebuild your system because of some virus.
stupidest statement ever.

God you morons look like you dont know anything about computers other than moving the mouse pointer on screen and click.
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: gordiano on February 10, 2010, 07:48:48 PM
I got both. My MAC sits on my table practically unused. Love my PC. I do lots of technical stuff with my computer - MAC is not the greatest for that. But as I said in my first post, if you're into graphic editing - or generic computer using such as browsing the web, yeah.. MAC can be great. Got to love though how Jobs ass rapes every MAC owner with the inflated prices and they don't even complain.

Exactly. It's like the fools who overpay for Coffee at Starbucks, and brag about it.  :-\
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: YngiweRhoads on February 10, 2010, 07:50:03 PM
I am a graphic designer/web designer/web developer and the pc does everything the mac can, and more, and costs much much less. Apple has good PR and that's about it.

If you want to see what designers/developers think, read the comments posted at the bottom of this Apple sponsored 'article'. This is from one of the top design community sites in the world.

http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2009/04/26/five-reasons-why-designers-are-switching-to-mac/
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: drkaje on February 10, 2010, 07:58:45 PM
Exactly. It's like the fools who overpay for Coffee at Starbucks, and brag about it.  :-\

There's nothing to brag about. Macs are easier to use, less prone to spyware, run with fewer problems, have better customer service, more consistent battery life, and a lot of other things. Got my girl a mac and it's outperformed the PC in every way.

There was a hairline crack in its case and warranty repairs didn't make me perfectly happy so Mac replaced the computer, gave us a new warranty, credited the extended warranty (pro-rated) to her mastercard, sent the new Mac Fed-Ex with a return tag, allowed us to keep the old one until finishing data transfer, and also upgraded her hard drive and some software to whatever the current model had going on. No other company is going to touch that shit on a polite phone call from me. :) They also called twice to make sure she was perfectly happy with the new computer and their service.
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: noworries on February 10, 2010, 08:04:26 PM
Turn up the sound.  This will convince you.

Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: tendonitis on February 10, 2010, 08:09:00 PM
Which one would Chuck Norris use?

That's right, a PC.
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: drkaje on February 10, 2010, 08:22:34 PM
Viruses are probably too afraid of Chuck Norris to mess with his PC.
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: Doug_Steele on February 10, 2010, 08:47:55 PM
I`ve never had a virus with a PC ever.  A PC can easily be built with parts now that will take MAC a decade to match in performance.  MAC=Garbage.

I get that. I do not want to pay some guy to Build a super computer that would take a MAC a decade to match. I do not Believe that MAC=Garbage. ::) ::)
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: marty31672 on February 10, 2010, 08:48:25 PM
we use a PC
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: drkaje on February 10, 2010, 08:51:28 PM
I get that. I do not want to pay some guy to Build a super computer that would take a MAC a decade to match. I do not Believe that MAC=Garbage. ::) ::)

It's probably a cut & paste, LOL!
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: Doug_Steele on February 10, 2010, 08:52:55 PM
It's probably a cut & paste, LOL!

I can actually see that. HAHAHAHA!!  :D
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: BIGRENS79 on February 10, 2010, 08:53:09 PM
MAC For me  ;D
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: Aerian on February 10, 2010, 09:20:49 PM
I get that. I do not want to pay some guy to Build a super computer that would take a MAC a decade to match. I do not Believe that MAC=Garbage. ::) ::)

If you cant change out a simple video card / powersupply in a PC then lord help you.   I dont see one advantage of having a MAC over a PC if you have even the slightest bit of computer smarts.  Really over priced and there is nothing you can do on an apple you cant do on a PC, but that can not be said for the reverse.
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: Tito24 on February 10, 2010, 09:26:18 PM
Most people who have Macs love their computers.  Not many PC owners love their PCs. :-\

Macs are for fags...Plain and simple ;D

BAygmb approved
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: gordiano on February 10, 2010, 09:26:22 PM
I think this guy nails it:

"The big point everyone missed including the article author is the genius behind Apple’s marketing, and the evidence is shown here. Apple have polarized everyone between OSx and Windows, when in fact Apple is a computer company. A better comparison would be Apple vs. Dell or something, especially when comparing esthetics and stuff like that. My Dell Studio laptop has more features than a Macbook, way more power, runs Adobe stuff fast, and never crashes despite the heavy use it gets. Oh, and it cost half as much. I’d buy a Mac if they were reasonably priced, but they’re not even close.

Yes, some PCs suck. But some don’t. If you get a quality PC from a decent vendor with support, it is every much as stable as a Mac. The problem is some people comparing their old PC with WIndows 98 to their new Mac they bought to replace it. It’s the same as me saying my old blue iMac sucked big time compared to my new 64 bit Vista Dell."
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: gordiano on February 10, 2010, 09:27:09 PM
MAC For me  ;D

OUTED!
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: gordiano on February 10, 2010, 09:38:58 PM
we use a PC

You're not helping.... :-\
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: Emmortal on February 10, 2010, 09:49:54 PM
I've been running a PC since Dos 2.0, that was before there were these fancy schmancy GUI's you guys love so much.  I'm not one of those assholes who does everything from the command line, I like a nicely designed interface, however OSX is NOT even close to being one.  I'd say Windows 7 at this point is now starting to edge OSX out as far as OS's goes, when it comes to the hardware, who the fuck would be stupid enough to pay 2-3x the amount for the EXACT same hardware you can get in a PC?  The hardware in Mac's is all almost 100% identical to PC's, all the important shit like the CPU, Motherboard and graphics cards are exactly the same.

The only thing Apple does well is selling a life style, that's all.  People buy into that as proven by the success of their less than innovative products.
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: Ron on February 10, 2010, 09:56:51 PM
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Unless you're doing video editing or lots of virtualization, I'm sure the low end Mac is plenty for your needs.  Yes you pay a premium for Macs, but think of all the time and money you'll save not having to rebuild your system because of some virus.

I have always used a PC, have three rights now now at home, and never had a virus.  Only time you have a virus is if you dont have a virus protection program on your computer.  PCs are much more oriented for people who dont need a one stop shop. 

Now as for Macs, I know more than enough people that have had their Macs in the shop for software problems or 'repairs' because something does not work.  Forget the hype, Macs are just as problematic as PCs.

Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: titusisback on February 10, 2010, 10:06:14 PM
PCs are much more oriented for people who dont need a one stop shop.

Now as for Macs, I know more than enough people that have had their Macs in the shop for software problems or 'repairs' because something does not work.  Forget the hype, Macs are just as problematic as PCs.

Exactly. The MAC I own crashes, and the keyboard is the shitties keyboard ever. Stylish yes, but crappy. And consumes batteries like crazy.

And why is it every time I get a email file attachment from a MAC user, they come in some weird format that just won't open unless you ask them to re-send the file 7 times in another format
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: Thin Lizzy on February 10, 2010, 10:09:42 PM
Bought my Dell system back in 2004. In all that time, I've never had a problem that required tech support.
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: MindSpin on February 10, 2010, 10:28:52 PM
Had PCs for years.  Switched to Mac three years ago.  Macs are better in EVERY way.  Faster, more reliable, no crashes, more stable OS, better battery life, better screens, better support, etc, etc, etc.  Anyone who tells you otherwise hasn't had the opportunity to use both or can't afford a Mac.
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: MindSpin on February 10, 2010, 10:33:23 PM
LOL Ron, have you ever actually owned a Mac???  I've had 5 different Dells.  All have come to a crawling slow after just a couple of years.  The first Mac I bough is up and running 26 seconds after I turn it on...it's 3 years old.  I have a two year old Dell.  After I hit the power button, I have time to get up, make a cup of coffee and come back before it's barely booting up.

On my Mac I still use Microsoft Office as I do think it's better than the Mac alternatives.  But everything else on a Mac is waaaay better. 
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: The True Adonis on February 10, 2010, 10:44:35 PM
Had PCs for years.  Switched to Mac three years ago.  Macs are better in EVERY way.  Faster, more reliable, no crashes, more stable OS, better battery life, better screens, better support, etc, etc, etc.  Anyone who tells you otherwise hasn't had the opportunity to use both or can't afford a Mac.
How can it be faster when I can build a PC that is faster than any single MAC product?
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: Tony Doherty on February 10, 2010, 10:49:12 PM
How can it be faster when I can build a PC that is faster than any single MAC product?

How can you know anything about a mac when you don't have one stupid?

Ever heard that saying that goes like this....

"Better to keep your mouth shut and look stupid, than to open it up and remove all doubt."
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: The True Adonis on February 10, 2010, 10:56:12 PM
How can you know anything about a mac when you don't have one stupid?

Ever heard that saying that goes like this....

"Better to keep your mouth shut and look stupid, than to open it up and remove all doubt."
So you don`t think a PC can be built that will PWN the absolute shit out of a MAC?  Ever wonder why Hardcore Gamers NEVER use a MAC?
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: timfogarty on February 10, 2010, 10:58:01 PM
God you morons look like you dont know anything about computers other than moving the mouse pointer on screen and click.

..he says to the guy who use to build S-100 computers using CP/M and program Z-80s in Assembly
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: titusisback on February 10, 2010, 11:32:36 PM
Faster
How can a controlled hardware archtecture be 'faster'? Yup... it's not

more reliable
This was true when Windows 95/98 was around. Many MAC people are stuck to the 90s and don't even know what's going on.

no crashes
LOL!! Oh yes there is!!

more stable OS
Err... nope, not true. Unless you're thinking of Windows95

better battery life
What a dumbass comment.. you're trying to tell us any MAC battery is better than any PC battery life on the market?

better screens
Impossible, when you can connect any screen to both

better support, etc, etc, etc.  Anyone who tells you otherwise hasn't had the opportunity to use both or can't afford a Mac.
I have both. MAC has better support in certain ways, but they better have if you pay twice the price. Oh wait... I thought MACs don't need support?!? I guess they do after all.. LOL!!

And what do you call a computer that has Intel CPU and both MAC OS and Windows OS installed? Is it a PC or a MAC? Do you trash it when Windows is running and praise it when MAC OS is running? Get your head out of your ass already.... you make no sense.
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: stormshadow on February 10, 2010, 11:59:07 PM
So you don`t think a PC can be built that will PWN the absolute shit out of a MAC?  Ever wonder why Hardcore Gamers NEVER use a MAC?

Outed for being a lonely and anti social inept computer gaming fag. 
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: Azn Muscle on February 11, 2010, 12:22:43 AM
I think u have to compare from a price standpoint.  Yes MACs are powerful but for the same price you could get a much better PC.  For the cost of a shitty mac you can get a pretty damn good PC.

As for viruses, as stated before if you have any sort of idea how to use a computer this is a non issue.
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: disturbia on February 11, 2010, 12:40:01 AM
..he says to the guy who use to build S-100 computers using CP/M and program Z-80s in Assembly

oops
owned
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: disco_stu on February 11, 2010, 12:55:03 AM
this thread is complete rubbish full of blind mac fanboys.

strip it down to the absolute basics so an unbiased decision can be made and you'd never get a mac...which is why 99% of the population- and higher everywhere except the US use PC.

viruses arent there because why would a hacker bother about affecting 1% of the users- waste of time.

Macs are over priced and over rated. Video editing?- can do no problems on a PC. More stable OS- ok, fair enough...but you can install Linux for free on a PC and get the same- granted absence of payware.

If you really really want to pay five times the price for the same hardware, and feel good and secure about being relatively hacker free and not have any choice about applications, then go for a Mac.

like i said, not everyone is stupid, and 99% of humans use PC. There is a reason for this landslide result.

and it aint because 99% of people are stupid.

FWIW I program software and diagnose hardware for a living...web design, and apps. The latest trend is for linux development..not mac OS.

mac will never break through until its the same price as PCs....which wont happen.

Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: drkaje on February 11, 2010, 06:04:42 AM
Had PCs for years.  Switched to Mac three years ago.  Macs are better in EVERY way.  Faster, more reliable, no crashes, more stable OS, better battery life, better screens, better support, etc, etc, etc.  Anyone who tells you otherwise hasn't had the opportunity to use both or can't afford a Mac.

If the price were the same more people would have Macs, LOL!

I'm glad Macs cost a little more. If the prices were equal, many more people would have Macs and viruses would eventually be an issue.
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: brooklynbruiser on February 11, 2010, 06:11:25 AM
The first question you should ask yourself is, what do I need my computer for?

If you wish to game, internet, do word processing and other common things, a PC is the easiest and arguably best answer. For more specialized uses such as music production, a/v editing, etc., I'd still say PC. However, the Mac platform has some good software for dedicated purposes like Final Cut Pro and Logic. That's about it. The price and overall versatility of Mac is unbalanced, in my opinion.

I was a long-time Mac user. In the end, I found I could do just as much and often more with a PC, often for a lot less money. I've built many PC boxes and I couldn't imagine it any other way. No regrets.

The argument about viruses and spyware are flawed. Generally, it usually takes two to tango. Viruses and spyware don't just take over your box like a highway robbery. One generally clicks something or goes somewhere without thinking and without proper protection. Would you advise going to a gunfight without a gun or vest? So why browse without a decent AV prog? To argue that the Mac removes the user's need to consider their actions while using their computer says all one needs to say.

Also, Apple has a terrible habit of pressuring you to upgrade your OS/computer by using software lockouts that is annoying. Why should I have to upgrade every five minutes to Snow Tiger, Leaping Lizard everytime I want to use a new prog?

Also, is this computer for you or to impress people? In defense of the Mac, it's a computer based around a lifestyle. The common user generally gets one because it can be somewhat idiotproof, looks smooth, and the program suites work well with each other. Usually. If you want to impress people with your cool 'puter, you'll constantly need to upgrade your Mac to the newest shite configuration to keep us with The Joneses.

With PC, it's whatever you make it. It's ultimately the most versatile option at the moment.
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: spinnis on February 11, 2010, 06:12:30 AM
I`ve never had a virus with a PC ever.  A PC can easily be built with parts now that will take MAC a decade to match in performance.  MAC=Garbage.

exactly.
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: body88 on February 11, 2010, 06:25:31 AM
Had PCs for years.  Switched to Mac three years ago.  Macs are better in EVERY way.  Faster, more reliable, no crashes, more stable OS, better battery life, better screens, better support, etc, etc, etc.  Anyone who tells you otherwise hasn't had the opportunity to use both or can't afford a Mac.


I own both, and everything you said is highly exaggerated. Macs are terrible for business and most of their conversion programs leave a lot to be desired. That said, Macs do have their perks, but claiming they are "way better" than top end pc's in the same price range is nonsense. Honestly, you can spend hundreds less and get a pc that does everything a mac does and that has more power.

Apples marketing program has probably been the best branding campaign over the last decade. Most Mac people have no fucking clue why their computer is better than a pc, they just think it is because of Mac's genius marketing efforts. Trust me, their agency is tops when it comes to advertising and branding products.
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: no one on February 11, 2010, 06:32:07 AM
Had PCs for years.  Switched to Mac three years ago.  Macs are better in EVERY way.  Faster, more reliable, no crashes, more stable OS, better battery life, better screens, better support, etc, etc, etc.  Anyone who tells you otherwise hasn't had the opportunity to use both or can't afford a Mac.

^ this.
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: johnnynoname on February 11, 2010, 06:46:55 AM
Mac all the way

put it this way, i look at ALOT of porn which puts in me at risk to get alot of viruses and shit

I swear to god my macbook runs as fast as the day i bought it

the money you spend to buy a mac is worth it cuz even if the PC is less expensive, it becomes expensive to get your PC repaired once a year for whatever reason or too get it replaced when it kicks the bucket in less than a year
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: Army of One on February 11, 2010, 06:53:36 AM
Macs are for people who dont know anything about computers and get sucked in by sales pitches.Anyone with half a brain buys a pc and laughs at Mac users.
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: Bflex on February 11, 2010, 07:25:14 AM

"My Mac is 3 years old and still runs like on the first day"
-> typical Mac user. Why wouldn't it run like on the first day? Hardware doesn't "get bad". If your OS is slowing down with the years, just reinstall the OS and have it new. Being "slow" is not a software issue (at least not with win7) but a hardware issue. Your new Mac is faster than your old PC? Wow! Great success  ;D
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: MindSpin on February 11, 2010, 08:26:30 AM
Here is where I'm coming from.  As I previously said, I had always been a PC user.  I few years ago, I needed to upgrade the computers in my office and was sick and tired of buying whatever the best PCs on the market were only to have to upgrade them every 1-2 years because they would be constantly infected with viruses, become painfully slow and constantly crash.  

So, I actually came here to GetBig and started a thread asking "what is the best notebook/laptop in the market?".  Perhaps someone can dig it up.  In that thread, a few people suggested Macs.  At first I dismissed it.  I didn't want to have to deal with learning a new OS and had been told that they were not compatible with PCs.  I did my research, though, and ended up going with Macs.  

Everyone who is saying that the hardware is the same for PCs & Macs and that they can build a faster PC are forgetting that the MAC hardware & OS are built to work seamlessly with one another.  That's one of the big advantages that Mac has over PCs & Microsoft.  

With regard to the support, it's as simple as calling my local Apple store.  I can talk to someone who speaks English and they actually know what they're talking about.  Or, you can simply go to the Apple store and talk to anyone of the Apple "geniuses", as well as take classes on their various software programs like iPhoto, iMovie, Garageband, etc.  It's pretty amazing how simple it is to take a bunch of family pics and home video and use them to create and edit a family movie and burn it on a DVD.  Obviously this can also be done with PCs, but with a Mac it is so much easier and so much faster.

I'm not a computer geek and I'm sure that there are plenty of people here who know way more than I do about this.  But, the fact is that I have not had any of the problems with any of my Macs that I did with my PCs.  In fact, I still have a Dell in my office that is newer than most of the Macs, and it has already slowed down significantly and I've had to "ctrl+alt+delete" it several times.  

Bottom line, Macs are better.
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: BayGBM on February 11, 2010, 08:30:56 AM
Here is where I'm coming from.  As I previously said, I had always been a PC user.  I few years ago, I needed to upgrade the computers in my office and was sick and tired of buying whatever the best PCs on the market were only to have to upgrade them every 1-2 years because they would be constantly infected with viruses, become painfully slow and constantly crash.  

So, I actually came here to GetBig and started a thread asking "what is the best notebook/laptop in the market?".  Perhaps someone can dig it up.  In that thread, a few people suggested Macs.  At first I dismissed it.  I didn't want to have to deal with learning a new OS and had been told that they were not compatible with PCs.  I did my research, though, and ended up going with Macs.  

Everyone who is saying that the hardware is the same for PCs & Macs and that they can build a faster PC are forgetting that the MAC hardware & OS are built to work seamlessly with one another.  That's one of the big advantages that Mac has over PCs & Microsoft.  

With regard to the support, it's as simple as calling my local Apple store.  I can talk to someone who speaks English and they actually know what they're talking about.  Or, you can simply go to the Apple store and talk to anyone of the Apple "geniuses", as well as take classes on their various software programs like iPhoto, iMovie, Garageband, etc.  It's pretty amazing how simple it is to take a bunch of family pics and home video and use them to create and edit a family movie and burn it on a DVD.  Obviously this can also be done with PCs, but with a Mac it is so much easier and so much faster.

I'm not a computer geek and I'm sure that there are plenty of people here who know way more than I do about this.  But, the fact is that I have not had any of the problems with any of my Macs that I did with my PCs.  In fact, I still have a Dell in my office that is newer than most of the Macs, and it has already slowed down significantly and I've had to "ctrl+alt+delete" it several times.  

Bottom line, Macs are better.

That was me.  You're welcome.  ;)
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: MindSpin on February 11, 2010, 08:40:36 AM
Cool.
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: jpm101 on February 11, 2010, 09:15:43 AM
Guess it's really Apple vs Microsoft. Apple/Mac(in the main) is in the hardware business. Microsoft is in the software business. Apple makes it's own computers, Microsoft is the bases for most computer OS by far, as is their other software. An Apple machine will run better than a PC, though except for high end software programs for music,graphic/design picture, movie, etc, editing and production, they lag behind Microsoft software for general use.  No matter how excellent a running computer, it's the OS/software that makes the difference in performance. PC's are better suited for the casual/average uses. And of course better for gamers because of the software available. 1000's of program's which Apple does not have.

Make no mistake, Apple machines do get viruses and adware. But on a much lesser scale than PC's. Hackers hate Bill Gate, so they have focus their virus damage on his software/PC's. But now some hackers are turning towards doing damage to apple machines. Their doing this because they can. Been told that perhaps MS has also a hand in all this. Bill Gate using underhanded methods (and even stealing other peoples ideas through the years since DOS) ...common knowledge really. Some hackers consider Steve Jobs way to  arrogant, so Apple becomes the newer target.  PC users might look into Microsoft Security Essentials as a excellent antivirus prigram. Free download from MS. Updated daily, free also.

Also the Linux OS/software systems, which are very well designed and can out preform and handle better than most MS OS very well. Though much too geekie for the average computer user. If wanting to invest in the time learning some of their open source programs (Red Hat, Mandriva, Xandros...many more) than the good news is that they are mostly free, as a download. Will only run on a PC. Very unusall to have a virus, etc on them. And stable running OS's. But very poor on games and gaming.
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: noworries on February 11, 2010, 09:25:24 AM
I used macs before some of you were born.  Appeared in the second commercial they ever did.  Was all Mac till 1993 when the manager of the gym I was developing convinced me to go PC and I have never owned a Mac since.  I love Mac's though.  I love their styling and performance.  But, a PC is just more practical for what I do.  I have only used laptops for the past 10 years.  The one I now has a 18" screen and fast as hell and has five speakers built in so it sounds unreal.  The one before this was a Toshiba and it was the most reliable computer I have ever had.  Not once did it crash.  Very reliable.  And I use my computer all day and most of the night.  It is on maybe 20 hours a day and sometime more.  I have had Dell's, Sony's, Gateway, Toshiba and now Acer.  So far the Acer has been awesome.  I ordered that Lenovo W700 DS and was really excited about getting that one.  Even pre-paid but their customer service is the worst I have ever seen in any kind of company.  So I cancelled the order and bought the Acer.  I have thought about buying the Ipad but it just doesn;'t do anything I would want it for.  Once Skype works on it and it can play DVD's then I will get one.
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: fearANDloathing on February 11, 2010, 10:07:30 AM
LOL Ron, have you ever actually owned a Mac???  I've had 5 different Dells.  All have come to a crawling slow after just a couple of years.  The first Mac I bough is up and running 26 seconds after I turn it on...it's 3 years old.  I have a two year old Dell.  After I hit the power button, I have time to get up, make a cup of coffee and come back before it's barely booting up.

On my Mac I still use Microsoft Office as I do think it's better than the Mac alternatives.  But everything else on a Mac is waaaay better. 
QFT

NO VIRUSES, NO MALWARE, NO SPYWARE,  NO BLUE SCREEN OF DEATH....
Totally worth the extra $$$.  :)
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: TrueGrit on February 11, 2010, 10:42:43 AM
 I certainly have the money and have come very close to buying a Mac a few times. What always stops me is the fact that I just can't see the point in paying so much more for  what is often a less powerful machine. The size of the HD, the amount of RAM, the lack of things like HDMI etc, never seem to justify the cost. It feels like buying an item for it's design and "statement" rather than what's under the hood.

I also think Sony make screens of just as good a quality - better actually.

Not anti-Apple..just don't see enough to make the change.
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: noworries on February 11, 2010, 10:55:46 AM
I certainly have the money and have come very close to buying a Mac a few times. What always stops me is the fact that I just can't see the point in paying so much more for  what is often a less powerful machine. The size of the HD, the amount of RAM, the lack of things like HDMI etc, never seem to justify the cost. It feels like buying an item for it's design and "statement" rather than what's under the hood.

I also think Sony make screens of just as good a quality - better actually.

Not anti-Apple..just don't see enough to make the change.

Me too kind of.  But my main reason not to get a Mac is the lack of programs available.  I have so much invested in PC programs and everything else that getting a Mac might just be too much work.  Like I said if the Ipad gets the capability oif using Skype and viewing DVD's then I will buy one in a heartbeat and use it along with my laptop and mostly for when I travel. 
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: YngiweRhoads on February 11, 2010, 11:06:18 AM
My buddy just finished paying off his mac and it's too outdated now to run Open Office and has issues with the CS4 suite. That's just ridiculous.

I work 12-16 hours a day on both platforms, and pc is just flat out better in terms of power and software support.

Crashes and viruses are just plain bullshit, unless you're clueless and have no idea how to operate a computer.

Never mind the fact that I can build my own pc in about 20 min from the ground up at wholesale prices, with the exact parts of my choosing for 1/3 the price of a mac and twice as powerful.

I do a ton of work with photoshop, illustrator and flash and the mac version of cs4 wasn't even available till months after it was already out for pc, and it STILL doesn't support 64bit Photoshop. Maybe in the CS5 version. lol
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: YngiweRhoads on February 11, 2010, 11:10:32 AM
Me too kind of.  But my main reason not to get a Mac is the lack of programs available.  I have so much invested in PC programs and everything else that getting a Mac might just be too much work.  Like I said if the Ipad gets the capability oif using Skype and viewing DVD's then I will buy one in a heartbeat and use it along with my laptop and mostly for when I travel. 

Yep. The same reason mac users 'don't get viruses' is the same reason there is so little software available for the machine. So few people own on no one bothers with them. There's less money to be made in developing software for such a small user base, it's more profitable to develop for the dominanant platform in the market.

An alienware laptop or pc looks just a slick, if not better, than a mac. Aesthetics of a computer, gimme a break. I pay for functionality, not appearance.
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: drkaje on February 11, 2010, 12:35:15 PM
I'm thinking hands are gonna need to be trown to resolve this.

Mac wins by submission. :)
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: stuntmovie on February 11, 2010, 12:53:36 PM
Haven't read all this yet so this might have been mentioned already.......

There is no computer store in existence other than an Apple store that treats customers like loyal and trustworthy friends.

I can take my Mac into any Apple store and have one of the employees take the time to answer my questions or show me what I've been doing wrong or just take it in the back and clean it up a bit.

Pay a $100 and you can have one on one instructions and other great service.

Try to go into any other computer store and get a question answered even if you can find anyone in store smart enough to answer one.

Apple service is phenominal and they are always a pleasure to work with.
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: Vince G, CSN MFT on February 11, 2010, 01:30:11 PM
Here's the exact commerical that I saw that convinced me to visit the Atari Computer Studio.  I couldn't afford the Mega St 2 which I bought right after I got out of the army however they had a used Atari 1040 STF that was for 400 dollars.  It was about 5 years old but I got it from working at Wendy's.  I had that computer all through high school and Mars Hill College.  Worked the day I traded it in for the Mega ST 2


Cool thing is THIS IS THE EXACT SAME COMMERCIAL, you can even hear the city Asheville and Computer Studio at the end.





As far as computers go, unless you're doing video editing or graphics there's no need to waste your money on a MAC. 

Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: titusisback on February 11, 2010, 01:42:41 PM
Mac wins by submission. :)

PC wins by selling almost 10 times more than MACs. Funny how MACs are still a huge minority even though they're supposedly superior to PCs... supposedly has been for years and years. Funny how PCs still sell more. Huh?

Before someone says "well, most people can't afford MACs" - why don't those people buy a second hand MAC? If they're so much more powerful than PCs, shouldn't a 1-2 year old MAC be just as fast or faster than a new PC? Well.. they're not.
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: body88 on February 11, 2010, 03:11:40 PM
Here is where I'm coming from.  As I previously said, I had always been a PC user.  I few years ago, I needed to upgrade the computers in my office and was sick and tired of buying whatever the best PCs on the market were only to have to upgrade them every 1-2 years because they would be constantly infected with viruses, become painfully slow and constantly crash.  

So, I actually came here to GetBig and started a thread asking "what is the best notebook/laptop in the market?".  Perhaps someone can dig it up.  In that thread, a few people suggested Macs.  At first I dismissed it.  I didn't want to have to deal with learning a new OS and had been told that they were not compatible with PCs.  I did my research, though, and ended up going with Macs.  

Everyone who is saying that the hardware is the same for PCs & Macs and that they can build a faster PC are forgetting that the MAC hardware & OS are built to work seamlessly with one another.  That's one of the big advantages that Mac has over PCs & Microsoft.  

With regard to the support, it's as simple as calling my local Apple store.  I can talk to someone who speaks English and they actually know what they're talking about.  Or, you can simply go to the Apple store and talk to anyone of the Apple "geniuses", as well as take classes on their various software programs like iPhoto, iMovie, Garageband, etc.  It's pretty amazing how simple it is to take a bunch of family pics and home video and use them to create and edit a family movie and burn it on a DVD.  Obviously this can also be done with PCs, but with a Mac it is so much easier and so much faster.

I'm not a computer geek and I'm sure that there are plenty of people here who know way more than I do about this.  But, the fact is that I have not had any of the problems with any of my Macs that I did with my PCs.  In fact, I still have a Dell in my office that is newer than most of the Macs, and it has already slowed down significantly and I've had to "ctrl+alt+delete" it several times.  

Bottom line, Macs are better.

I take back what I said about your original post. At least you've given several reasons why you feel the way that you do.
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: G_Thang on February 11, 2010, 03:39:24 PM
Here is where I'm coming from.  As I previously said, I had always been a PC user.  I few years ago, I needed to upgrade the computers in my office and was sick and tired of buying whatever the best PCs on the market were only to have to upgrade them every 1-2 years because they would be constantly infected with viruses, become painfully slow and constantly crash.  

So, I actually came here to GetBig and started a thread asking "what is the best notebook/laptop in the market?".  Perhaps someone can dig it up.  In that thread, a few people suggested Macs.  At first I dismissed it.  I didn't want to have to deal with learning a new OS and had been told that they were not compatible with PCs.  I did my research, though, and ended up going with Macs.  

Everyone who is saying that the hardware is the same for PCs & Macs and that they can build a faster PC are forgetting that the MAC hardware & OS are built to work seamlessly with one another.  That's one of the big advantages that Mac has over PCs & Microsoft.  

With regard to the support, it's as simple as calling my local Apple store.  I can talk to someone who speaks English and they actually know what they're talking about.  Or, you can simply go to the Apple store and talk to anyone of the Apple "geniuses", as well as take classes on their various software programs like iPhoto, iMovie, Garageband, etc.  It's pretty amazing how simple it is to take a bunch of family pics and home video and use them to create and edit a family movie and burn it on a DVD.  Obviously this can also be done with PCs, but with a Mac it is so much easier and so much faster.

I'm not a computer geek and I'm sure that there are plenty of people here who know way more than I do about this.  But, the fact is that I have not had any of the problems with any of my Macs that I did with my PCs.  In fact, I still have a Dell in my office that is newer than most of the Macs, and it has already slowed down significantly and I've had to "ctrl+alt+delete" it several times.  

Bottom line, Macs are better.

dell products and support aint that bad either.  can get me a laptop/pc for every room from dell vs buy one overpriced mac.  still going strong 12 yrs later with dell.
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: Spoony Luv on February 11, 2010, 03:42:32 PM
Steve Jobs>Bill Gates for the sole reason that Bill Gates is a fcking dork and Steve Jobs has said that taking LSD was the 2nd or 3rd most significant thing he has ever done...Apple was basically created while he was under the influence of psychedelics...Now that is fucking bad ass people...
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: Spoony Luv on February 11, 2010, 03:47:11 PM
Nobel Prize winner Francis Crick is also credited with coming up with the Double Helix...He also did this under the influence of LSD...Bad Ass!
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: tleilaxutank on February 11, 2010, 04:17:20 PM
Mac all the way.  Those of you hating on macs are either too poor to buy one or have never purchased one.

"it just works" 

This is why itunes owns the music industry.

This is why the iphone is gaining market share of the smartphone market with every passing minute.  Droid, HTC and Pre are just trying to catch up.  They may have some features that are better but they cannot compete with the overall package, powerful hardware, elegant, efficient CONTROLLED software and bundled with pre-existing juggernauts like itunes etc.

This is why ipods continue to dominate the portable music market.  For years people have been predicting apple's loss of this market, there are cheaper mp3 players with more memory, yet people prefer to buy ipods.  Why?  Because it so damn easy to use.  Rhapsody is currently being shopped for scrap.

Same thing with macbooks and the like, try downloading torrents and using rapidshare for downloading for a month or so and tell me you don't have any spyware and that your PC is running fine; I hope your antivirus is up to the challenge!

Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: tleilaxutank on February 11, 2010, 04:19:48 PM
So you don`t think a PC can be built that will PWN the absolute shit out of a MAC?  Ever wonder why Hardcore Gamers NEVER use a MAC?

Umm because developers don't build games to run on Mac's?
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: Doug_Steele on February 11, 2010, 04:24:28 PM
Umm because developers don't build games to run on Mac's?

Get a PS3, X-Box 360 and Wii. Problem solved for gaming.
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: tleilaxutank on February 11, 2010, 04:29:59 PM
Guess it's really Apple vs Microsoft. Apple/Mac(in the main) is in the hardware business. Microsoft is in the software business. Apple makes it's own computers, Microsoft is the bases for most computer OS by far, as is their other software. An Apple machine will run better than a PC, though except for high end software programs for music,graphic/design picture, movie, etc, editing and production, they lag behind Microsoft software for general use.  No matter how excellent a running computer, it's the OS/software that makes the difference in performance. PC's are better suited for the casual/average uses. And of course better for gamers because of the software available. 1000's of program's which Apple does not have.

Make no mistake, Apple machines do get viruses and adware. But on a much lesser scale than PC's. Hackers hate Bill Gate, so they have focus their virus damage on his software/PC's. But now some hackers are turning towards doing damage to apple machines. Their doing this because they can. Been told that perhaps MS has also a hand in all this. Bill Gate using underhanded methods (and even stealing other peoples ideas through the years since DOS) ...common knowledge really. Some hackers consider Steve Jobs way to  arrogant, so Apple becomes the newer target.  PC users might look into Microsoft Security Essentials as a excellent antivirus prigram. Free download from MS. Updated daily, free also.

Also the Linux OS/software systems, which are very well designed and can out preform and handle better than most MS OS very well. Though much too geekie for the average computer user. If wanting to invest in the time learning some of their open source programs (Red Hat, Mandriva, Xandros...many more) than the good news is that they are mostly free, as a download. Will only run on a PC. Very unusall to have a virus, etc on them. And stable running OS's. But very poor on games and gaming.

You're a little off base here.

There's a basic difference between windows and mac os.  Windows allows auto executable files; Mac's don't.  While you can still potentially create virus for a mac, its much more difficult without this ability.

It's also not a matter of "hackers hate" or "hackers like",  but an issue of numbers and firepower.

Numbers: There's A LOT more windows based computers out there than mac's. A LOT. If you're going to take the time to build a code that is going to wreak havoc on a computer, you aught to pick the most common one.  That way, you'll get the biggest bang for your buck.  If you've got a grenade to through you're going to look to see where the most people are.

Firepower: A good example here is the sony psp.  Hackers for a long time have been hacking this thing.  Well, sony militantly updates the firmware to screw with the hackers, each time it renders the unit useless. Same thing with the palm pre syncing to itunes.  Initially it worked but itunes keeps updating and guess what? everytime they figure out a way to fuck with the pre sync.  If the firepower is sufficient then nothing happens.
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: tleilaxutank on February 11, 2010, 04:31:10 PM
Get a PS3, X-Box 360 and Wii. Problem solved for gaming.

I have a 360 (great for games and I stream all my video and music to my tv through it using connect360 for the mac) and a wii.

Don't have a PS3 yet, though. 
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: Doug_Steele on February 11, 2010, 04:35:09 PM
I have a 360 (great for games and I stream all my video and music to my tv through it using connect360 for the mac) and a wii.

Don't have a PS3 yet, though. 

Mine is just a Blu-Ray player. I have all three and they are not even used.
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: titusisback on February 11, 2010, 04:41:56 PM
Steve Jobs>Bill Gates for the sole reason that Bill Gates is a fcking dork and Steve Jobs has said that taking LSD was the 2nd or 3rd most significant thing he has ever done...

If you think a drug user is better than someone who creates a charitable foundation donating 100 BILLION dollars, you'll find lots of friends from places like Harlem
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: TrueGrit on February 11, 2010, 06:33:00 PM
 To be honest though..I don't really care about the personality of Bill Gates or Steve Jobs. I couldn't give a fuck about Armani or Calvin Klein either and I have their names on my underwear!  I am just interested in getting the best machine out there. By best I mean the best specifications for the money, not the best looking.



Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: HTexan on February 11, 2010, 06:39:37 PM
OSX small slice of market. Therefore almost no malware for macs. plus macbook pros are built like a tank. but the lack of malware is the only real upside for the $$$.
plus it is easier, for the avg user, then Linux and has better software then Linux.

iphoto is sweet tho.

Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: Joel_A on February 11, 2010, 07:03:18 PM
I like the look of Mac... that's it.

I have an 18.4" Quad Core laptop from HP and I use the hell out of it. No way can I get a Macbook with that kind of processor and monitor and still be under $2000. Plus, I will need some kind of peripheral like Boot Camp just to use my 3d modeling software. No thanks. If you have half a brain about computers, PC is the easy choice.
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: GRACIE JIU-JITSU on February 11, 2010, 07:08:37 PM

 Quad Core Mac Pro = $2500
 24 inch Apple monitor = $900
 Apple accessories = $600

 Watching your $5K+ Mac burn down to the ground = priceless




Mac Pro users found that when they played music on iTunes, Activity Monitor would report just 1 to 3 percent CPU load, but CPU power draw will increase as much as ten times normal. At the same time, CPU temperatures, which are normally about 30°C while idling will rise up to 60°C or higher - near what Intel rates as the Nehalem chip's safety limit - with little or no fan activity. The problem could also be triggered by plugging in FireWire or USB-based audio interfaces.

The Mac Pros with Nehalem Xeon were introduced in March 2009 with a 2.66 GHz quad-core processor. In December, the 3.33GHz quad-core model was added to the lineup. Though users with both models of Mac Pro have reported the issue, the download page and the knowledge base article on the Mac Pro Audio Update says that it is specifically for computers that were released in the first half of the year.

A similar issue has also been reported on 27-inch iMacs, in particular when using Logic Studio software. Unlike in the case of the Mac Pro, however, the iMac fans run: in some cases up to 2800 RPM, causing considerable noise.




Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: Captain Equipoise on February 11, 2010, 07:22:46 PM
MAC is for simpleton's who know nothing about computers and want a simple solution that works reliably..

ie. soccer moms, grandmothers, kids, single college girls, etc.


PC is for power users that know what they want and what they are doing and want to have complete control of their systems and environments.

ie. computer programmers, gamers, educated users, people wanting to learn and gain knowledge..

Just for the record, all the stuff that used to be excusive to mac (graphic design, video editing, music recording) has been greatly outdone by PC's in the last 7-10 years.
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: drkaje on February 11, 2010, 07:31:27 PM
They charge more for the black Macs.

Probably racist. :)
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: HTexan on February 11, 2010, 08:12:35 PM
They charge more for the black Macs.

Probably racist. :)
they dont sell anymore black macs ::)
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: YngiweRhoads on February 11, 2010, 08:14:38 PM
MAC is for simpleton's who know nothing about computers and want a simple solution that works reliably..

ie. soccer moms, grandmothers, kids, single college girls, etc.


PC is for power users that know what they want and what they are doing and want to have complete control of their systems and environments.

ie. computer programmers, gamers, educated users, people wanting to learn and gain knowledge..

Just for the record, all the stuff that used to be excusive to mac (graphic design, video editing, music recording) has been greatly outdone by PC's in the last 7-10 years.


Shit, I'm agreeing with you again. That's 100% correct.
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: HTexan on February 11, 2010, 08:35:07 PM
MAC is for simpleton's who know nothing about computers and want a simple solution that works reliably..

ie. soccer moms, grandmothers, kids, single college girls, etc.


PC is for power users that know what they want and what they are doing and want to have complete control of their systems and environments.

ie. computer programmers, gamers, educated users, people wanting to learn and gain knowledge..

Just for the record, all the stuff that used to be excusive to mac (graphic design, video editing, music recording) has been greatly outdone by PC's in the last 7-10 years.

no, music recording is still mostly done on macs. And almost ALL DJ's use macs.  With a Mac, there are few variations of hardware out there. With a PC the hardware configurations are endless. Therefore, music software on a mac is less buggy most of the time. MAlware can ruin a live performance as well.The only difference is some software only run on macs, some only on PC.

That being said I have used all 3 OS's to record. Linux is the worst, Jack sucks. I put OSX above the pc, but the are some great free plug-ins only out on PC.

Can't go wrong with a PC or Mac for audio. if you're performing live, get the mac.
http://www.tweakheadz.com/Mac_vs_Pc_DAWS.htm


Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: HTexan on February 11, 2010, 08:37:00 PM
Umm because developers don't build games to run on Mac's?
Because if can easy upgrade a PC cheaply. Mac sucks for games.
http://revision3.com/tekzilla/veronicapc
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: brent2741 on February 11, 2010, 08:44:54 PM
once you go mac you wont go back, its a better computer period, those of think diff either have never owned one or are not smart enough to figure out the things about the mac that make it better
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: The True Adonis on February 11, 2010, 08:47:38 PM
Because if can easy upgrade a PC cheaply. Mac sucks for games.
http://revision3.com/tekzilla/veronicapc
Macs couldn`t even run the new generation games.  Their hardware is crap.  You can build a PC that will PWN their best editing machine as well.

Talk about looks, with a PC you can not only create any case your imagination desires, there are ENDLESS possibilities of pieces of art created for purchase.

(http://www.geekologie.com/2007/11/15/wood-PC-1.jpg)

(http://www.shocksaroundtheworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/g69t_dbnp566_l.jpg)

(http://www.retroist.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/steampunk-computer-case-mod-600x551.jpg)
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: dragonfist on February 11, 2010, 08:57:05 PM
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: Doug_Steele on February 11, 2010, 09:57:15 PM
Macs couldn`t even run the new generation games.  Their hardware is crap.  You can build a PC that will PWN their best editing machine as well.

Talk about looks, with a PC you can not only create any case your imagination desires, there are ENDLESS possibilities of pieces of art created for purchase.

(http://www.geekologie.com/2007/11/15/wood-PC-1.jpg)

(http://www.shocksaroundtheworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/g69t_dbnp566_l.jpg)

(http://www.retroist.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/steampunk-computer-case-mod-600x551.jpg)

Yea, those are nice and everything but who in the hell would wanna carry one of those around campus?  ::) ::)
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: Valane on February 11, 2010, 11:26:09 PM
Turn up the sound.  This will convince you.





Best commercial of all time. :o
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: kiwiol on February 11, 2010, 11:31:33 PM
This topic is lame and boring.

Can't we discuss Dorian vs Ronnie instead?
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: noworries on February 11, 2010, 11:46:18 PM


Best commercial of all time. :o

Thank you.,  It was my very first one.  got paid great money as it was national buyout.  It first aired during the first game of the 1985 World Series.  Got some good atheltes in it.  I originally went in for the football player part.  Told them I was an armwrestler.   Got a call two weeks later telling me they changed the commericial and added in armwreslting.  When I got to the studios Whitney Houston was shooting her scene.  I signed in and was next to the boxer who beat Tyson twice in the Olympics trial.  I can't remember his name.  I armwrestled Hulk Hogans stunt double.  I cant remember his name either right now.  Stan Dragotti was the director who I later worked with on Daddy's Little Girl.  I think he was married to some super model at the time.  He had me setup the shot cause he said he didn't know the best angle to shoot it at.  I felt kind of important.    It was a fun time
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: noworries on February 11, 2010, 11:48:16 PM
One more thing about that commercial.  I got a PM from somebody on Getbig who said his class assignment in college was to take that commercial and remix it to music or something like that.  He sent me a link to it and said it was fun and neat to know someone in it.  I thought that was kind of cool too,
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: mossel on February 12, 2010, 06:02:58 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch#playnext=1&playnext_from=TL&videos=MBU_dVgcX9k&v=BSOZOzbJqGw (http://www.youtube.com/watch#playnext=1&playnext_from=TL&videos=MBU_dVgcX9k&v=BSOZOzbJqGw)

(http://amigaweb.net/images/AmigaOS_Screenshot_001_Large.jpg)

best ever os
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: drkaje on February 12, 2010, 06:09:05 AM
People want to build their own computers insist upon calling Mac users geeks.

I just want something reliable and not prone to viruses.
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: mossel on February 12, 2010, 06:20:09 AM
People want to build their own computers insist upon calling Mac users geeks.

I just want something reliable and not prone to viruses.

you sound like a girl...
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: Doug_Steele on February 12, 2010, 06:27:50 AM
you sound like a girl...

Nah, you are confused but he problary gets women unlike you.  :D  :o
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: drkaje on February 12, 2010, 06:39:06 AM
you sound like a girl...

I look at a lot of porn and literally had 5 virus/malware programs running on the HP. Add up the updates, crashes and/or free trials of programs to get shit off the computer and it just became a huge pain in the ass.

For my needs, Macs are way better than PCs. I just have far more important shit to worry about.
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: saopl on February 12, 2010, 06:45:01 AM
One of the little perks of having a Mac is if you REALLY need to run Windows only based applications, you can install Windows and either alt-tab (so to speak) between the 2 OS, or during your initial boot up you can choose whether you would like to run Windows or OSX, you're choice.

I have found that Windows does run very well on my Mac, even faster than it would on my PC.

Mac all the way brobama.
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: drkaje on February 12, 2010, 06:52:40 AM
One of the little perks of having a Mac is if you REALLY need to run Windows only based applications, you can install Windows and either alt-tab (so to speak) between the 2 OS, or during your initial boot up you can choose whether you would like to run Windows or OSX, you're choice.

I have found that Windows does run very well on my Mac, even faster than it would on my PC.

Mac all the way brobama.

I was advised that whatever section of your hard drive dedicated to windows is susceptible to viruses.
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: mossel on February 12, 2010, 06:54:43 AM
I look at a lot of porn and literally had 5 virus/malware programs running on the HP. Add up the updates, crashes and/or free trials of programs to get shit off the computer and it just became a huge pain in the ass.

For my needs, Macs are way better than PCs. I just have far more important shit to worry about.

aaaah...

ok!

so mac is better for porn?! ... gotta get me one...
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: saopl on February 12, 2010, 06:58:44 AM
I was advised that whatever section of your hard drive dedicated to windows is susceptible to viruses.

that is true, but you can partition the dedicated space to an external HD, and if you DO end up getting a virus just delete the partition, this will NOT affect or transfer over to the OSX.
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: Krankenstein on February 12, 2010, 07:13:24 AM
I look at a lot of porn and literally had 5 virus/malware programs running on the HP. Add up the updates, crashes and/or free trials of programs to get shit off the computer and it just became a huge pain in the ass.

For my needs, Macs are way better than PCs. I just have far more important shit to worry about.

I probably do more porn surfing than you.....probably more torrents than you....I have had TWO virus problems in the last 5 years.  I dont use that McAffe or Symantic bs.....system hogs.  I run AVG, Malwarebytes, and CCleaner.  Thats it.  I let my system get scanned every night.  One thing to NEVER do is install any damn software (trial or free) that wants install a 'toolbar' onto my system.  In addition, how mahy people actually read or even glance at the "install agreement" of the software they are installing??  You would be surprised at the amount of "extra" stuff that installed on some things.

Another thing for me is this.....I have 1 TB drive.....only 50 GB is set up for windows.  So, all my other stuff is safe (movies, pics, books, etc) if I would ever get a virus.  If I need to reinstall windows, I simply wipe my 50GB portion clean, reinstall windows...go to my "Storage" drive...reinstall drivers and any miscellaneous software and I am good.  In fact, once a year I do a clean install.  Takes me a couple of hours, but I also dont have a problem with my system. 

Some of the proprietary systems (HP, Dell, eMachine) have so much extra bullshit on their machines...its no wonder they run slow.  I would never buy a complete system like that.  Much better to be able to fix a computer on your own than have to go through "tech service"
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: mossel on February 12, 2010, 07:32:52 AM
i get my porn from FTD... no virus nags...
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: Mars on February 12, 2010, 07:34:00 AM
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: saopl on February 12, 2010, 07:34:47 AM
i get my porn from FTD... no virus nags...

I have 5 Bangbros passes  8)
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: Krankenstein on February 12, 2010, 07:40:34 AM
i get my porn from FTD... no virus nags...

FTD?
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: Captain Equipoise on February 12, 2010, 09:29:34 AM
no, music recording is still mostly done on macs. And almost ALL DJ's use macs.  With a Mac, there are few variations of hardware out there. With a PC the hardware configurations are endless. Therefore, music software on a mac is less buggy most of the time. MAlware can ruin a live performance as well.The only difference is some software only run on macs, some only on PC.

That being said I have used all 3 OS's to record. Linux is the worst, Jack sucks. I put OSX above the pc, but the are some great free plug-ins only out on PC.

Can't go wrong with a PC or Mac for audio. if you're performing live, get the mac.
http://www.tweakheadz.com/Mac_vs_Pc_DAWS.htm




Cubase is native to PC, most if not all systems running Pro Tools are PC...

There's actually been a huge switch from MAC > PC for pro recording in the last 5-7 years, all that's really left on mac is the old cakewalk and Logic is such a f*cked up program that the learning curve is 2 years so most engineers and producers are abandoning it.

I use Cubase and Pro Tools myself, happily on 2 PC machines.
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: noworries on February 12, 2010, 09:37:31 AM
I have 5 Bangbros passes  8)

Share the wealth
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: The Showstoppa on February 12, 2010, 10:42:16 AM
Pffffft, i still roll with a commodore 64 bitches!
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: Buffgeek on February 12, 2010, 12:41:49 PM
Apple has less than 10% of the market share. Hackers and malware authors are going to be going after windows becasuse it is by far the most widely used platform.

I love my ipod, but in my experience MACs are great for people who have a lot of coin to spend and know very little about computers, yet want them to perform specific tasks. They do what they do well and because of their market share dont have the big bullseye on them that MS has.

If you are good sized to enterprise businesss entity, gamer, on a budget, or actually know a bit about computers, then you are most likely to want a PC.

I have no delusions that without Apple we would probably all still be staring at big ass beige boxes. They spur innovation, but I will stick with my PC.
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: lvtolft on February 12, 2010, 01:59:28 PM
The time and energy that I have saved not having to even worry about any type of virus software or the dreaded "defragging" shit that is done on a pc has alone been well worth the additional investment I made in the mac. 

In the end, if you want a good machine that is simple to use and easy to maintain, pick a mac all the way.
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: MindSpin on February 12, 2010, 03:15:29 PM
Good God...I forgot all about the dreaded "defragging"....lol.  What about the "fatal errors", having to download all sorts of virus protection software and having to ctrl+alt+delete every time a PC freezes.

Mac all the way... 

Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: TrueGrit on February 12, 2010, 03:18:17 PM
Talking of viruses, my netbook got a really shitty one called "XPantiviruspro". Was a complete bastard...and I had Norton AV and firewall running as well.

Had to reinstall windows but it wasn't too much hassle as I keep all the other stuff on the other drive.
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: YngiweRhoads on February 12, 2010, 04:33:30 PM
Talking of viruses, my netbook got a really shitty one called "XPantiviruspro". Was a complete bastard...and I had Norton AV and firewall running as well.

Had to reinstall windows but it wasn't too much hassle as I keep all the other stuff on the other drive.

Norton sucks.

AVG and Avast work better and they're free.

If this article wasn't true, it'd be funny. Instead, it's just sad.  

   

The 10 reasons that Apple must think is imperative for making the change from a PC to a MAC can be found on their website. Of course if you have the time to read through all of them you realise that these 10 features or reasons have been standard with the PC a long, long, long time. Some of the reasons are just plain myths that Apple invented. Probably because they ran out of fabricated facts.

So take the journey through the 10 commandments of a mac-enthusiast and enjoy their naive attitude towards personal computing.

1. The Mac... It just works

This is maybe the ultimate reason a mac owner will give you to explain why it's superior to a PC. The mac owner will tell you that all people that own macs are really satisfied with their computers and would never switch back. This is ofcourse not true.
The mac owner will also tell you that with a system from Apple you will never have to think about drivers, upgrades or anything. A mac is perfection itself when delivered. Atleast according to their standard. Many macs can't even be upgraded. So what you buy is what you get. Expect your system to be outdated within 1-2 years.
Apple also states: "Only with a Mac do you get an operating system built by the same people who built the computer it runs on.". Actually Apple's Mac OS X (the operating system) is not based on their own technology, but by the technology of freeBSD. Apple's own capabilities in form of creating an operating system have been demonstrated in previous versions of Mac OS. It took an operating system based on someone else's technology to get a Mac multitasking and not behaving like an oversized pocket calculator from 1985.

2. It doesn't crash

Yes it does! And it does it alot. The difference between a pc based on Windows crashing and a Mac is that on the pc the crash is in 99% of the cases caused by badly coded third party software, when the Mac just has a faulty operating system. Why else would Apple themselves run their india website on RedHat Linux?
There is another fun part about crashes on the mac, it's almost always impossible to trace the source of the crash. When your mac crashes you simply reinstall the system. Sounds like a fun thing to do on your spare time, well buy a Mac then!

3. Simply the best in digital music

This point is actually based on Apple's iPod. I must admit, the iPod is not an ugly creation. I'll give Apple credit for that. But as always, they exaggerate the benefits of their product. Apple was far from first with creating a portable mp3-player with a built in harddrive but on the other side they do offer the most expensive solution.
The iPod is about 40-60% more expensive than technologically equal products. Keep in mind also that it offers no recording option and no belt clip. Two very crucial benefits a portable mp3-player should have.

4. The missing link in digital photography

It's amazing! Apple has invented a program called iPhotos that will revolutionize the way we look at digital photos. Hear what they have to say: "Simply drag your mouse, and iPhoto magically grows or shrinks your photo thumbnails. So you can view individual shots in detail or see hundreds of photos on the screen at once...".
Maybe mac users are new to digital photos on the computer but on the pc we have a huge variety of freeware that does the job of iPhoto and more, to choose from. So when Apple says that they are "the missing link in digital photography" maybe what they meant was that iPhoto is the missing link of the Mac.
Windows users reached that stage of evolution ages ago.

5. Your own digital entertainment center

It seems that Apple thinks that they've revolutionized computing by developing mediocre software for viewing digital photos, editing video, burning CDs and DVDs and listening to music. Well they haven't!

6. Goes everywhere you go

You better sit down for this one, hold on to your seat and embrace yourself for some cutting edge news from Apple... they've invented the laptop, eureka! Not only that, they think they've made it superior to other laptops. Let's look at why and also try to answer their questions:

* Can your PC laptop go coast to coast with just one battery?
— Ofcourse. And if it only needs the performance of the Mac it could probably go around the world.
* Can you put the system to sleep just by closing the lid?
— Oh my god, a Mac can do that? Well, so can a PC!
* Does it wake up instantly?
—Duh!
* Can your PC laptop automatically switch between Ethernet,
dial-up and wireless connections on the fly?
—Without a doubt!
* Without a restart?
Is this a joke? This really proves that Apple has no clue on what their competitors are doing. If they never have used a PC running Windows it makes their tests and objective sayings about the Mac really credible. Oh, by the way, I was being sarcastic.

7. It's built for the internet

Apple makes a huge point about the easability of configuring an internet connection on a mac. All new Windows versions come with just as easy to use guides for connecting to the internet with modem, lan or anything else. They also brag about such obvious tools of communication like email, favorites and contacts. Yes Apple, this is really new and hot stuff, you are indeed innovative. Or maybe not.
The worst part might be that they lie about their under average video-plugin Quicktime. This might be one of the worst programs ever to install. Actually if some students at a university needed an example of a really poorly written program, this would be a perfect opportunity for Quicktime to step into the limelight.

8. Office is Office, and then some

Yes, the mac comes with Office and this is why you should make the switch from a pc to a mac:

"The transition to a Mac is easy in part because you’ll continue using the same applications you already know"

Ask yourself this: Why would I switch when It's the exactly same on the mac? -Beats me. Apple does speak of some mysterious features in this sentence:

"And thanks to exclusive features, the Mac versions improve on their Windows counterparts"

As you might expect they mention nothing on what these features are. Well they're probably just wonderfully, perfectly and amazingly non-existent!

9. Works effortlessly with PCs

Apple thought for a long time that they'd be best off constructing their own method for network-communication. Everyone that has struggled with the glorious AppleTalk knows that they didn't do a great job. Now they have realised that it's better to use an already working technology that someone else created instead of poorly reinventing the wheel.

"Networking on a Mac is built on the same technologies used by PCs."

They also reveal amazing means of medias you can use on your mac:

..."you can also swap files via data CD, floppies or Zip disks."

10. It's beautiful

Apple emphasises that all their products are masterpieces of design. Their problem is that their focus on design hinders them from creating ergonomical and practical machines. If you have ever used the small round iMac mouse you have probably too suffered from aches in arm and hand.

"...ergonomic products that are the toast of the design world..."

It wasn't I who brought up the word toast into the debate. On the other hand it was I who drew the paralell to machines looking like plain household machines. Who wants a computer that looks like a remnant from the 70's? You could probably achieve the same state of hallucination that you could by inhaling large amounts of heavy drugs.

So what have we learned from these 10 points that Apple provides for the potential buyer. We have learned that Apple likes to tell their future customers that the mac is built on technology they probably already are using on their PCs. They also lure the extremely naive buyers with words like internet, word-processing and cd-burning.

Please do not be fooled. You have nothing to gain by switching to a Mac. Apple has proved it on their own, with a little help from us.
You Macintosh users just need to face that your OS sucks. Quit using it, be a man, and get a PC.


http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=macintosh&defid=1846978

Mac users can give no justifiable reason to own a mac other than, 'it's great for people who know nothing about computers'. Which is exactly who apple is targeting with their advertising and how mac users come across. Shit, a mac IS a pc. Just goes to show how gullible people are.

Well I'm off to use Photoshop CS4 64 bit, which mac doesn't support, and do a little graphic designing.
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: haider on February 12, 2010, 04:46:04 PM
Talking of viruses, my netbook got a really shitty one called "XPantiviruspro". Was a complete bastard...and I had Norton AV and firewall running as well.

Had to reinstall windows but it wasn't too much hassle as I keep all the other stuff on the other drive.
that fuckin thing is such a bitch- we're talking about the one that doesn't let explorer run right? I downloaded a software called "malwarebytes" which I used to delete the virus file, but I had a lot of trouble even beginning to run the damn program because it wouldn't let it, LOL.  >:(
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: MindSpin on February 12, 2010, 04:56:59 PM
Norton sucks.

AVG and Avast work better and they're free.

If this article wasn't true, it'd be funny. Instead, it's just sad.  

   

The 10 reasons that Apple must think is imperative for making the change from a PC to a MAC can be found on their website. Of course if you have the time to read through all of them you realise that these 10 features or reasons have been standard with the PC a long, long, long time. Some of the reasons are just plain myths that Apple invented. Probably because they ran out of fabricated facts.

So take the journey through the 10 commandments of a mac-enthusiast and enjoy their naive attitude towards personal computing.

1. The Mac... It just works

This is maybe the ultimate reason a mac owner will give you to explain why it's superior to a PC. The mac owner will tell you that all people that own macs are really satisfied with their computers and would never switch back. This is ofcourse not true.
The mac owner will also tell you that with a system from Apple you will never have to think about drivers, upgrades or anything. A mac is perfection itself when delivered. Atleast according to their standard. Many macs can't even be upgraded. So what you buy is what you get. Expect your system to be outdated within 1-2 years.
Apple also states: "Only with a Mac do you get an operating system built by the same people who built the computer it runs on.". Actually Apple's Mac OS X (the operating system) is not based on their own technology, but by the technology of freeBSD. Apple's own capabilities in form of creating an operating system have been demonstrated in previous versions of Mac OS. It took an operating system based on someone else's technology to get a Mac multitasking and not behaving like an oversized pocket calculator from 1985.

2. It doesn't crash

Yes it does! And it does it alot. The difference between a pc based on Windows crashing and a Mac is that on the pc the crash is in 99% of the cases caused by badly coded third party software, when the Mac just has a faulty operating system. Why else would Apple themselves run their india website on RedHat Linux?
There is another fun part about crashes on the mac, it's almost always impossible to trace the source of the crash. When your mac crashes you simply reinstall the system. Sounds like a fun thing to do on your spare time, well buy a Mac then!

3. Simply the best in digital music

This point is actually based on Apple's iPod. I must admit, the iPod is not an ugly creation. I'll give Apple credit for that. But as always, they exaggerate the benefits of their product. Apple was far from first with creating a portable mp3-player with a built in harddrive but on the other side they do offer the most expensive solution.
The iPod is about 40-60% more expensive than technologically equal products. Keep in mind also that it offers no recording option and no belt clip. Two very crucial benefits a portable mp3-player should have.

4. The missing link in digital photography

It's amazing! Apple has invented a program called iPhotos that will revolutionize the way we look at digital photos. Hear what they have to say: "Simply drag your mouse, and iPhoto magically grows or shrinks your photo thumbnails. So you can view individual shots in detail or see hundreds of photos on the screen at once...".
Maybe mac users are new to digital photos on the computer but on the pc we have a huge variety of freeware that does the job of iPhoto and more, to choose from. So when Apple says that they are "the missing link in digital photography" maybe what they meant was that iPhoto is the missing link of the Mac.
Windows users reached that stage of evolution ages ago.

5. Your own digital entertainment center

It seems that Apple thinks that they've revolutionized computing by developing mediocre software for viewing digital photos, editing video, burning CDs and DVDs and listening to music. Well they haven't!

6. Goes everywhere you go

You better sit down for this one, hold on to your seat and embrace yourself for some cutting edge news from Apple... they've invented the laptop, eureka! Not only that, they think they've made it superior to other laptops. Let's look at why and also try to answer their questions:

* Can your PC laptop go coast to coast with just one battery?
— Ofcourse. And if it only needs the performance of the Mac it could probably go around the world.
* Can you put the system to sleep just by closing the lid?
— Oh my god, a Mac can do that? Well, so can a PC!
* Does it wake up instantly?
—Duh!
* Can your PC laptop automatically switch between Ethernet,
dial-up and wireless connections on the fly?
—Without a doubt!
* Without a restart?
Is this a joke? This really proves that Apple has no clue on what their competitors are doing. If they never have used a PC running Windows it makes their tests and objective sayings about the Mac really credible. Oh, by the way, I was being sarcastic.

7. It's built for the internet

Apple makes a huge point about the easability of configuring an internet connection on a mac. All new Windows versions come with just as easy to use guides for connecting to the internet with modem, lan or anything else. They also brag about such obvious tools of communication like email, favorites and contacts. Yes Apple, this is really new and hot stuff, you are indeed innovative. Or maybe not.
The worst part might be that they lie about their under average video-plugin Quicktime. This might be one of the worst programs ever to install. Actually if some students at a university needed an example of a really poorly written program, this would be a perfect opportunity for Quicktime to step into the limelight.

8. Office is Office, and then some

Yes, the mac comes with Office and this is why you should make the switch from a pc to a mac:

"The transition to a Mac is easy in part because you’ll continue using the same applications you already know"

Ask yourself this: Why would I switch when It's the exactly same on the mac? -Beats me. Apple does speak of some mysterious features in this sentence:

"And thanks to exclusive features, the Mac versions improve on their Windows counterparts"

As you might expect they mention nothing on what these features are. Well they're probably just wonderfully, perfectly and amazingly non-existent!

9. Works effortlessly with PCs

Apple thought for a long time that they'd be best off constructing their own method for network-communication. Everyone that has struggled with the glorious AppleTalk knows that they didn't do a great job. Now they have realised that it's better to use an already working technology that someone else created instead of poorly reinventing the wheel.

"Networking on a Mac is built on the same technologies used by PCs."

They also reveal amazing means of medias you can use on your mac:

..."you can also swap files via data CD, floppies or Zip disks."

10. It's beautiful

Apple emphasises that all their products are masterpieces of design. Their problem is that their focus on design hinders them from creating ergonomical and practical machines. If you have ever used the small round iMac mouse you have probably too suffered from aches in arm and hand.

"...ergonomic products that are the toast of the design world..."

It wasn't I who brought up the word toast into the debate. On the other hand it was I who drew the paralell to machines looking like plain household machines. Who wants a computer that looks like a remnant from the 70's? You could probably achieve the same state of hallucination that you could by inhaling large amounts of heavy drugs.

So what have we learned from these 10 points that Apple provides for the potential buyer. We have learned that Apple likes to tell their future customers that the mac is built on technology they probably already are using on their PCs. They also lure the extremely naive buyers with words like internet, word-processing and cd-burning.

Please do not be fooled. You have nothing to gain by switching to a Mac. Apple has proved it on their own, with a little help from us.
You Macintosh users just need to face that your OS sucks. Quit using it, be a man, and get a PC.


http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=macintosh&defid=1846978

Mac users can give no justifiable reason to own a mac other than, 'it's great for people who know nothing about computers'. Which is exactly who apple is targeting with their advertising and how mac users come across. Shit, a mac IS a pc. Just goes to show how gullible people are.

Well I'm off to use Photoshop CS4 64 bit, which mac doesn't support, and do a little graphic designing.


That entire article is based on someones opinion and has no supportive sources or facts ::)  I used PCs exclusively for 15 years and now use Macs & PCs both.  In my experience the Macs are better in every way.
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: TrueGrit on February 12, 2010, 05:16:22 PM
that fuckin thing is such a bitch- we're talking about the one that doesn't let explorer run right? I downloaded a software called "malwarebytes" which I used to delete the virus file, but I had a lot of trouble even beginning to run the damn program because it wouldn't let it, LOL.  >:(

 That's it. It keeps running a fake virus scan saying you've got worms and trojans and linking you to some bogus site trying to sell you xp antivirus pro.

Shit drove me mad.
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: BayGBM on February 12, 2010, 05:53:06 PM
That entire article is based on someones opinion and has no supportive sources or facts ::)  I used PCs exclusively for 15 years and now use Macs & PCs both.  In my experience the Macs are better in every way.

They are certainly the most handsome!  :D
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: NaturalWonder83 on February 12, 2010, 05:55:43 PM
i own eee pc
its very good
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: GRACIE JIU-JITSU on February 12, 2010, 06:37:46 PM
Mac= over priced, over rated, under powered toy. VERY limited software and expensive for what little you find.
PC= low priced, compatible with the software market, far more powerful for half the price of the Mac.
25 years now and Apple STILL makes their proprietary system that has one of the MOST incompatible systems with the rest of the world. Uses the LEAST popular operating system and only sells to a handful of kiddies who beg their ignorant parents for them because Macs are cute. You want cute, buy some new tennis shoes. You want power, by a PC. Been in the biz for 30+ years and know the golden rule. A computers power is measured by what it can run. That leaves Mac out of the picture.

Lets make it simple for YOU to decide. You can easily find your own answer. Go out and look on the store shelves for the types of software you might be interested in. whether it be games, design software, photo and image editing software, etc. Then simply take a look at the requirements on the box as to what system it runs on. I'll stick with my freedom of choice myself.


PC: If you do anything advanced with a computer, or gaming, or don't have much money.

Mac: If you are not very good with computers.
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: Vince G, CSN MFT on February 12, 2010, 07:03:01 PM
Good God...I forgot all about the dreaded "defragging"....lol.  What about the "fatal errors", having to download all sorts of virus protection software and having to ctrl+alt+delete every time a PC freezes.

Mac all the way... 




I built my PC almost 2 years ago and its not crashed or etc.  It defrags itself overnight while I'm sleeping so I don't worry about it. 

In addition to Windows XP, I also run Linux and is more reliable and faster than any Mac with similar hardware.   
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: Spoony Luv on February 12, 2010, 08:08:56 PM
Can't the $115,000 Corvette ZR1 beat(performance wise) over half the super cars(over $200,000) on the market?
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: timfogarty on February 12, 2010, 08:24:04 PM
25 years now and Apple STILL makes their proprietary system that has one of the MOST incompatible systems with the rest of the world.

PC: If you do anything advanced with a computer, or gaming, or don't have much money.

Mac: If you are not very good with computers.

really strange claiming Unix is incompatible with the rest of the world and is for people who are not very good with computers.

(Mac OSX is Unix)
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: HTexan on February 12, 2010, 08:48:33 PM
Cubase is native to PC, most if not all systems running Pro Tools are PC...

There's actually been a huge switch from MAC > PC for pro recording in the last 5-7 years, all that's really left on mac is the old cakewalk and Logic is such a f*cked up program that the learning curve is 2 years so most engineers and producers are abandoning it.

I use Cubase and Pro Tools myself, happily on 2 PC machines.

cakewalk is pc only, you dumb fuck ::). Sonar used to suck, i hear it's better, haven't used the latest versions tho.
wrong, logic is still used a lot, but the std is by far pro tools. With runs WAY better on mac. Most studios have multiple mac pros towers, no question about it. but they write everything off, so they just buy what the best system for their needs is.
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: GRACIE JIU-JITSU on February 12, 2010, 09:34:35 PM
really strange claiming Unix is incompatible with the rest of the world and is for people who are not very good with computers.

(Mac OSX is Unix)


 "Maintenance" some people don't know how to do that.
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: GRACIE JIU-JITSU on February 12, 2010, 09:37:42 PM
Mac has fewer viruses but is still susceptible to them. "OSX.Iservic"

Mac and Windows can both crash and will both need to be reinstalled on occasion.

Mac needs to be on a Mac, and you can only buy Mac parts for it

With Windows you can compare prices with different brands instead of being dictated into a choice

Windows can run more programs.

Windows runs the latest versions of most programs (including Microsoft Office).

Windows programs tend to be cheaper
.
Windows computers are cheaper for the same specs

Windows computers have better specs for the price
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: MJK on February 12, 2010, 09:43:04 PM
PC
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: TrueGrit on February 12, 2010, 09:48:56 PM
(http://rawartint.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/goldmacbookpro1.jpg)
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: aglifter on February 12, 2010, 09:56:46 PM
Get a cheap PC laptop (~$400) and install linux
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: tleilaxutank on February 13, 2010, 05:08:48 AM
Mac has fewer viruses but is still susceptible to them. "OSX.Iservic"

Mac and Windows can both crash and will both need to be reinstalled on occasion.

Mac needs to be on a Mac, and you can only buy Mac parts for it

With Windows you can compare prices with different brands instead of being dictated into a choice

Windows can run more programs.

Windows runs the latest versions of most programs (including Microsoft Office).

Windows programs tend to be cheaper
.
Windows computers are cheaper for the same specs

Windows computers have better specs for the price

Thanks for that.  I'm sticking with my overpriced stuff, though. It just works.
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: YngiweRhoads on February 13, 2010, 07:50:39 AM
It just works.

No it doesn't. This is in regards to their 'flagship' line and dated this month.

http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=7141

Take a trip over to Apple's own support forums and see if 'it just works'.

http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=2212682&start=0&tstart=0

Hopefully you computer illiterates mac users know how to download and install a patch to fix your 'it just costs more' machine.

A graphic designer who I work with is a die hard mac fan and quotes the latest apple catchphrases, as do most mac proponents on this thread. His mac is giving him issues to no end which he doesn't have the computer knowledge to address and repair. His mac is too outdated to warrant direct support from apple.

I work with both OS daily and see no advantage to the mac whatsoever. Right clicking ( double tapping/cntrl click) alone on the mac is buggy and a necessity in graphic design. Or, one could purchase a third party mouse to do the job as well as a 'non-carpal tunnel inducing' keyboard, while you're at it.  I have better workflow on a pc. Perhaps years ago it would have been beneficial to work on a mac, but that's old news. Both machines run virtually identically these days and there are only more advantages to working on a pc. Most importantly, the issue of software compatibility. *Running Boot Camp and installing Win 7 doesn't fix these specific compatibility issues - but then again, it's not 'just working' if you have to install extra software to create compatibility with modern software*

No mac user has given even a single reason to use a mac in this thread, other than quoting apple's media campaign.
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: no one on February 13, 2010, 08:08:44 AM


there is a reason why every electronic DJ in the world who doesn't use cd's anymore uses a Macbook, not a PC.

if anyone needs reliability and a computer thats not going to freeze and fuck up its them.

nuff said. Mac's rule. deal with it you PC bitches.
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: YngiweRhoads on February 13, 2010, 08:19:53 AM

there is a reason why every 95% of computer users in the world use a PC, not a Mac.

if anyone needs usability and a computer that works with 99% of the software available.

nuff said. PC's rule. deal with it you mac sheep.



http://www.macintouch.com/leopard/compat.html

It's a long list, you may want to set aside a couple of hours.

BTW an electronic dj is a musical abomination, but that's for another debate.
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: drkaje on February 13, 2010, 08:23:11 AM
PCs probably offer a bit more flexibility for those with a need to customize.

I just feel the Mac suits my needs far better, has been far more reliable than any PC I've own/used and their customer service has been out of this world. There also aren't many programs I need to run and no games. I probably only have MacSuite, VLC and one or two other things installed.

If it died mid-sentence I'd go to the mac store today and get another one. It really has been that much better than a PC for me.
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: YngiweRhoads on February 13, 2010, 08:29:58 AM
PCs probably offer a bit more flexibility for those with a need to customize.

I just feel the Mac suits my needs far better, has been far more reliable than any PC I've own/used and their customer service has been out of this world. There also aren't many programs I need to run and no games. I probably only have MacSuite, VLC and one or two other things installed.

If it died mid-sentence I'd go to the mac store today and get another one. It really has been that much better than a PC for me.

Odium aside, it basically boils down to user preference and what your own personal needs are when it comes to purchasing a computer.
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: jpm101 on February 13, 2010, 09:16:11 AM
I agree with YD's, comes down to preference and needs.Gracie JJ also makes excellent points.  Like working out, some get results with higher volume/moderate weight and others with low volume and heavier weight. But most guy's, somewhere in the middle. Though, I find, Apple (all devises) users seem a little elitist and and self serving (some what like Steve Jobs). And Mac's do obtain viruses. Something akin to Prius owners and the snob appeal of driving one. While the Ford Focus has an all around better rating from independent auto testing (gas, performance, handling, "braking", etc). And is anywhere from 2 to 3+ thousand dollars less.  

Some one on this tread said that they had 5 virus/spyware programs on their computer. That will only conflict with the performance, speed and ability to process (CPU) data. Only need one good antivirus/spyware/malware program, any more can cause false positives and other factors. Might want to go to CNET.com and check out some reviews and even some free anti virus, malware, spyware, etc.

Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: James28 on February 13, 2010, 09:38:42 AM
I have two Mac's. A 27 inch iMac Quadcore, and a 17 inch Macbook Pro, whilst my girlfriend has a Macbook Air. I also have a badass gaming PC with the latest toys under the hood, and an Acer notebook, so I'm well versed to give an opinion.

In my heart of hearts, stick with a PC. It does anything and everything you want, giving no absolute reason why going for a Mac is a need. Because I dropped a few grand on the Macs, I feel obliged to use them, and do so for my emails, photos and music. Whatever a Mac does, it does incredibly well, makes it look sexy and you enjoy your computing time marvelling at the slickness of it all. However, a PC is more of a workhorse and you can customise the pants of it and make it look just as well as the Mac.

Also, don't let people tell you Macs are immune to crashes and other malfunctions. I had to take my iMac back twice to replace faulty memory, I had issues with Safari crashing, so much to the point that I couldn't use it for 5 minutes without it crashing prompting me to put the Mac back in the box and chuck it in the attic. It only got better with the release of Snow Leopard and now I'm using it again.

Mac is more of an artistic computing experience whilst PC's is there to get things done. Both has their strong points and weak points. Both are equals.
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: tleilaxutank on February 13, 2010, 09:52:58 AM
No it doesn't. This is in regards to their 'flagship' line and dated this month.

http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=7141

Take a trip over to Apple's own support forums and see if 'it just works'.

http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=2212682&start=0&tstart=0

Hopefully you computer illiterates mac users know how to download and install a patch to fix your 'it just costs more' machine.

A graphic designer who I work with is a die hard mac fan and quotes the latest apple catchphrases, as do most mac proponents on this thread. His mac is giving him issues to no end which he doesn't have the computer knowledge to address and repair. His mac is too outdated to warrant direct support from apple.

I work with both OS daily and see no advantage to the mac whatsoever. Right clicking ( double tapping/cntrl click) alone on the mac is buggy and a necessity in graphic design. Or, one could purchase a third party mouse to do the job as well as a 'non-carpal tunnel inducing' keyboard, while you're at it.  I have better workflow on a pc. Perhaps years ago it would have been beneficial to work on a mac, but that's old news. Both machines run virtually identically these days and there are only more advantages to working on a pc. Most importantly, the issue of software compatibility. *Running Boot Camp and installing Win 7 doesn't fix these specific compatibility issues - but then again, it's not 'just working' if you have to install extra software to create compatibility with modern software*

No mac user has given even a single reason to use a mac in this thread, other than quoting apple's media campaign.

If you don't like it, don't buy it.  I'm not going to try and convince you. I'll stick to what works better for me. But I reject the assertion that people who buy mac's don't know how to use a PC.  When I was younger I used a windows based pc and knew all the tricks, defraging, reformatting, partitioning drives etc. Somewhere along the way I just got sick of it; wanted my computer to do what I want it to do, quickly, and without issues and regular maintenance. 

Your link of the issues with the new 27" imac really proves nothing.  Mac users have the highest customer satisfaction of any PC company.
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: James28 on February 13, 2010, 10:18:13 AM
Another thing I would like to add. PC users always mention the tons of programs you get for Windows. Fair enough, but you get the same for Macs as well, not as many, but they do the same thing. There is nothing apart from gaming (in a way) a PC does that a Mac can't do. So clearly the millions of programs for PC is not needed at all. Most is a re-hash of each other anyway.
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: Captain Equipoise on February 13, 2010, 11:22:41 AM
cakewalk is pc only, you dumb fuck ::). Sonar used to suck, i hear it's better, haven't used the latest versions tho.
wrong, logic is still used a lot, but the std is by far pro tools. With runs WAY better on mac. Most studios have multiple mac pros towers, no question about it. but they write everything off, so they just buy what the best system for their needs is.


Dear retard, come back and talk to me once you actually see the inside of a studio and record something.

Most pro tools systems are PC, fucking inbred peasant.
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: tleilaxutank on February 13, 2010, 11:31:16 AM
If it's good enough for Nine Inch Nails, it's good enough for me!

(http://ninblogs.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/2_10_10a-711373.jpg)
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: GRACIE JIU-JITSU on February 13, 2010, 11:46:59 AM
If it's good enough for Nine Inch Nails, it's good enough for me!

(http://ninblogs.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/2_10_10a-711373.jpg)



 


 Question: Can you upgrade your video card?
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: GRACIE JIU-JITSU on February 13, 2010, 11:49:10 AM
 Google Liquid Galaxy.
 Linux on a Pc.

 
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: HTexan on February 13, 2010, 03:04:52 PM
Dear retard, come back and talk to me once you actually see the inside of a studio and record something.

Most pro tools systems are PC, fucking inbred peasant.
you're still the dumb fuck that thinks cakewalk software is made for macs. ::) you blow your whole debate right there. :-\ :-\
FYI I have been in pro and home studios , and recorded music weekly in MY home studio. ::)
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: Captain Equipoise on February 13, 2010, 04:34:53 PM
you're still the dumb fuck that thinks cakewalk software is made for macs. ::) you blow your whole debate right there. :-\ :-\
FYI I have been in pro and home studios , and recorded music weekly in MY home studio. ::)

LOL, oooooo wow I slipped up on one piece of software I haven't used since 1995.. ::)  ::)

since you're such a badass producer, why don't you post some of your work
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: GRACIE JIU-JITSU on February 13, 2010, 04:38:04 PM
 For those who thinks mac rules.

 Mac has a huge problem with Open SSL.

 You know...the open-source encryption system that is supposed to protect credit card data from getting loose on the internet.
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: HTexan on February 13, 2010, 11:08:46 PM
LOL, oooooo wow I slipped up on one piece of software I haven't used since 1995.. ::)  ::)

since you're such a badass producer, why don't you post some of your work
yep, and proved you're a retard at the same time. FYI your the one claiming to be a badass producer, post some of your work.
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: MindSpin on February 16, 2010, 09:56:23 AM
For those who thinks mac rules.

 Mac has a huge problem with Open SSL.

 You know...the open-source encryption system that is supposed to protect credit card data from getting loose on the internet.

Hmmm...I've had fraudulent charges on my card three times in the last year  >:(
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: HTexan on February 16, 2010, 02:16:35 PM
For those who thinks mac rules.

 Mac has a huge problem with Open SSL.

 You know...the open-source encryption system that is supposed to protect credit card data from getting loose on the internet.
no not anymore, to check your version:
http://www.cs.washington.edu/homes/aczeskis/openssl.html
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: HTexan on February 16, 2010, 06:21:12 PM
sugar OS FTW!!!
(http://i45.tinypic.com/i6b795.jpg)
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: GRACIE JIU-JITSU on February 20, 2010, 03:36:02 PM

 A lawsuit has been filed against a suburban Philadelphia school district accusing administrators of remotely activating the iSight cameras in school-provided MacBooks to spy on students in their homes. The school claims that it used the cameras only to determine the location of lost or stolen MacBooks, but one student was accused of selling drugs and shown a still picture taken from his iSight as evidence against him. The FBI is investigating the school.

About 1,800 students at the Lower Merion High School (where Kobe Bryant played basketball in the 90s) and Harriton High School across town were all issued MacBooks as part of a state and federally funded "one-to-one" laptop program. Student Blake Robbins was called into the Harriton High School principal's office last November and accused of "improper behavior in his home." He was shown an image that he was told had been taken by his notebook's embedded camera. The student's parents, Michael and Holly Robbins, then went to the assistant principal and complained that the school had never told them that the camera could be activated remotely. The assistant principal told the boy's father that the school claimed the right to turn on the iSight camera "at any time it chose and to view and capture whatever images were in front of the Webcam, all without the knowledge, permission or authorization of any persons then and there using the laptop computer," according to the lawsuit.

After the spying was revealed, the school acknowledged that it had activated students' cameras 42 times over a 14-month period, but insisted that each time it was done it was merely an attempt to locate a stolen or missing MacBook. The Robbins family accuses the school district of violating the Fourth Amendment to the US Constitution as well as the Electronic Communication Privacy Act, the Computer Fraud Abuse Act, the Stored Communications Act, Section 1983 of the Civil Rights Act, and the Pennsylvania Wiretapping and Electronic Surveillance Act. They are attempting to make the lawsuit a class action so that more of the 1,800 students can join in the lawsuit, which asks for unspecified monetary damages.

The school has not released any images or described what sorts of activities were photographed, but shocked students are upset about the invasion of their privacy and wondering wht they might have been seen doing. One girl says that she kept her MacBook open at all times, including when she was getting dressed and showering, and is worried that the camera might have been activated on her MacBook at those times.

 Weeeeeeeeeee  for Mac.
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: Captain Equipoise on February 20, 2010, 04:01:57 PM
sugar OS FTW!!!
(http://i45.tinypic.com/i6b795.jpg)

Looking swole dude, little bit like a cave man but I'm sure most girls overlook those handsome features.
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: HTexan on February 20, 2010, 05:25:11 PM
Looking swole dude, little bit like a cave man but I'm sure most girls overlook those handsome features.

so you think slacker is built?
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: Eyeball Chambers on February 20, 2010, 08:53:29 PM
I`ve never had a virus with a PC ever.  A PC can easily be built with parts now that will take MAC a decade to match in performance.  MAC=Garbage.

Agree, and same... I've never had a virus, all I do is run spybot, sometimes ccleaner...
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: Eyeball Chambers on February 20, 2010, 08:55:33 PM
Build your own computer, that's what I did.  Easy and cheap...

newegg.com
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: chaos on February 20, 2010, 09:01:50 PM
7 pages and still on topic.

Getbig blows.
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: Tre on February 20, 2010, 09:46:19 PM

I ended up going with the MacBook Pro. 

The one I found was only about 18 months old and loaded with the pro editing software I didn't want to have to purchase, so it seemed like a good enough deal to justify the higher price.
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: Eyeball Chambers on February 20, 2010, 09:47:18 PM
I ended up going with the MacBook Pro. 

The one I found was only about 18 months old and loaded with the pro editing software I didn't want to have to purchase, so it seemed like a good enough deal to justify the higher price.

I didn't know you were gay, congratulations on coming out of the closet!
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: BIG ACH on February 20, 2010, 10:18:51 PM

I use a PC loud and proud baby!

17.3 inch HP Laptop, running Windows 7 with built in Blu Ray player and HDMI output, with 4GB of RAM (Soon to be 8GB)!
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: daddy8ball on February 20, 2010, 10:20:55 PM
Macs aren't bad. Neither are PCs. Depends on your usage, really.

If you're not sure, I'd go with a PC.
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: TrueGrit on February 20, 2010, 10:22:53 PM
 If Macs started coming with HDMI and blu-ray, I'd definitely make the switch.
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: noworries on February 21, 2010, 08:11:36 AM
I just loaded the new Adobe Creative Suite 4 Production Premium into my new ACER with an 18" screen.  I can finally get back to work
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: Captain Equipoise on February 21, 2010, 08:44:48 AM
I don't get you guys that buy laptops with these huge ass screens.. like 17, 18" why not just get a tower !?!? at that point the fucking laptop is big enough to qualify as a suitcase.. maybe it's just me but isn't the point of a laptop mobility and easy of portability ?!!? 14" tops, anything larger you might as well just use a regular pc.
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: Mr Nobody on February 21, 2010, 09:27:28 AM
This reminds me of Gorilla vs Bear.
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: YngiweRhoads on February 21, 2010, 10:02:35 AM
Apple and Adobe are scrapping, so expect to see even less compatibility with mac and Adobe products in the future.

Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: Captain Equipoise on February 21, 2010, 10:30:29 AM
Apple and Adobe are scrapping, so expect to see even less compatibility with mac and Adobe products in the future.



No way!? over what ?? photoshop ?
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: YngiweRhoads on February 21, 2010, 10:53:44 AM
No way!? over what ?? photoshop ?


Flash.

Apple doesn't like Flash and is very vocal about not supporting it. It's all over the nerd news these days. Adobe is firing back by taking jabs at Apple too. It's funny, but it may affect the way I develop websites in the future, so I need to pay attention to this crap.

There are already issues with mac and Adobe, but for the most part, they're minor issues with Photoshop and Flash; on the development side.  Ok, not supporting 64bit Photoshop isn't a minor issue, but apple is going to remedy this soon, so they say.
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: Tre on February 21, 2010, 11:11:30 AM
I didn't know you were gay, congratulations on coming out of the closet!

Tell me about it.

First the iPhone, then I pulled the iMac out of its box (bought it a year before I opened it and it only plays music), then the Nano, then I started using the video iPod I bought years ago, and now I've added a MacBook Pro to the collection.

I'm officially a full-fledged fag. I think I'll go celebrate at Victoria's Secret today. :-\
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: HTexan on February 21, 2010, 07:46:34 PM
Flash.

Apple doesn't like Flash and is very vocal about not supporting it. It's all over the nerd news these days. Adobe is firing back by taking jabs at Apple too. It's funny, but it may affect the way I develop websites in the future, so I need to pay attention to this crap.

There are already issues with mac and Adobe, but for the most part, they're minor issues with Photoshop and Flash; on the development side.  Ok, not supporting 64bit Photoshop isn't a minor issue, but apple is going to remedy this soon, so they say.
This is way the ipad sucks.
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: GRACIE JIU-JITSU on February 21, 2010, 09:46:52 PM

  ;)
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: GRACIE JIU-JITSU on February 22, 2010, 03:41:46 PM

 HTML5 or h.264. flash is dying.

 
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: HTexan on February 22, 2010, 06:05:38 PM
HTML5 or h.264. flash is dying.

 

no, flash is very important on the web currently. Newer tech like html5 is still not widely used yet.
I really don't care about flash on a phone. but, the ipad is suppose to be the "best way" to view the web. it cant even view the whole web. cheap netbooks can view flash. no reason a tablet can't.
therefore, ill keep my cheap dell mini 9 for the road.
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: TrueGrit on February 22, 2010, 06:12:51 PM
 I'm either gonna get this or a powermac in a few months

http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/354670/asus-nx90-video-first-look
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: Captain Equipoise on February 22, 2010, 06:22:59 PM
HTML5 or h.264. flash is dying.

 


This guy's on crack.. saying flash isn't important to the web and that you can get around it with javascript and HTML.. LOLOL, flash changed the web for everyone, it's made sites rich with multimedia experience that's both easy to code and view/render. Youtube was a prime example of that, initially youtube ran on flash video.
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: drkaje on February 22, 2010, 06:34:17 PM
I really used to think Macs were for fags and especially the I-phone. Once my HP got too beat up and the girlfriend's Compaq died I got us Macs for Christmas. I look at too much porn and she really wanted something shiny. Now I won't buy anything else.

Tre assured me I-phones weren't only for gays so now we have those too.  :) I'm just going to assume he was telling the truth.
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: Eyeball Chambers on February 22, 2010, 06:53:55 PM
Tell me about it.

First the iPhone, then I pulled the iMac out of its box (bought it a year before I opened it and it only plays music), then the Nano, then I started using the video iPod I bought years ago, and now I've added a MacBook Pro to the collection.

I'm officially a full-fledged fag. I think I'll go celebrate at Victoria's Secret today. :-\

Thank you for playing along.   This is why I like you. (no homo)
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: HTexan on February 22, 2010, 07:22:30 PM
This guy's on crack.. saying flash isn't important to the web and that you can get around it with javascript and HTML.. LOLOL, flash changed the web for everyone, it's made sites rich with multimedia experience that's both easy to code and view/render. Youtube was a prime example of that, initially youtube ran on flash video.

he is a steve jobs ball washer. ;D
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: GRACIE JIU-JITSU on February 22, 2010, 08:53:53 PM
This guy's on crack.. saying flash isn't important to the web and that you can get around it with javascript and HTML.. LOLOL, flash changed the web for everyone, it's made sites rich with multimedia experience that's both easy to code and view/render. Youtube was a prime example of that, initially youtube ran on flash video.



 He's talking about flash lite.-mobile phones-

 Pay attention to what he is saying...same to you Htexan. ;)

 Here another problem...Mouse pointer.

 Beyond all the complaints about speed and security, there is one fatal flaw with Flash on the iPhone's
 
 touchscreen: Flash animations need a mouse pointer - and an interface that can distinguish between

 hovering and actual clicking - to function normally. Hulu's Flash player  is held up as an example of the

 difference: hovering the mouse pointer of the bottom of the screen brings up the controller, while clicking

 is for pause/resume.


 
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: HTexan on February 22, 2010, 09:08:12 PM

 He's talking about flash lite.-mobile phones-

 Pay attention to what he is saying...same to you Htexan. ;)

 Here another problem...Mouse pointer.

 Beyond all the complaints about speed and security, there is one fatal flaw with Flash on the iPhone's
 
 touchscreen: Flash animations need a mouse pointer - and an interface that can distinguish between

 hovering and actual clicking - to function normally. Hulu's Flash player  is held up as an example of the

 difference: hovering the mouse pointer of the bottom of the screen brings up the controller, while clicking

 is for pause/resume.


 
you said flash, now you want to changed it to mobile flash. ::)
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: GRACIE JIU-JITSU on February 22, 2010, 09:16:53 PM
you said flash, now you want to changed it to mobile flash. ::)


 No I didn't. the guy on the video said that.

 Like I said pay attention. ;)
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: YngiweRhoads on February 22, 2010, 09:43:00 PM
HTML5 or h.264. flash is dying.

 


Not exactly.

http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2010/01/25/the-dark-side-of-html-5-video/

Last week, YouTube announced beta HTML 5 video support: once you’ve activated the beta, you’ll see videos using a native browser element rather than the Flash plugin. The new player only works with a recent version of either Safari or Chrome (or Chrome Frame in IE), as the video is encoded with the H.264 codec, which isn’t supported in Firefox. A day after YouTube’s announcement, Vimeo made a similar one. They also now provide preliminary support for the HTML video element with a new HTML player.

Superficially this seems like a victory for the “open” Web, right? A few major sites, representing a significant percentage of online video, begin to move away from a proprietary technology (Flash) and towards an open standard (HTML 5). But when you look a little deeper it turns out to not be so simple. Both YouTube and Vimeo have chosen to provide their HTML video encoded with the H.264 codec, which is patent-encumbered. Apple has a big stake in H.264, so Safari supports it, and Google has paid a licensing fee to include an H.264 decoder in Chrome.

Mozilla Firefox, on the other hand, doesn’t support H.264: it will only play HTML video encoded with the Ogg Theora codec. This is partly for ideological reasons, as the Theora codec is open source and therefore inline with Mozilla’s principles. But there’s more to it than just ideology. In reply to YouTube’s announcement, Mozilla’s VP of Engineering, Mike Shaver, published a blog post explaining why Mozilla is sticking to its guns with Theora. He points to H.264’s licensing fees not only as a justification for Mozilla’s decision not to support the format, but also as a more dire threat: “[...] if H.264 becomes an accepted part of the standardized web, those fees are a barrier to entry for developers of new browsers, those bringing the web to new devices or platforms, and those who would build tools to help content and application development.” Mozilla’s Open Source Evangelist, Christopher Blizzard, also had a lot to say on the topic, likening the situation to what happened years ago with the GIF format (and, to a lesser extent, with MP3).

It’s important to remember that the current level of browser support for web standards comes, in large part, from Firefox’s ability to compete on a level playing field with other browsers, and from the Mozilla team’s dedication to open standards. When big sites like YouTube begin positioning a proprietary format as the de facto standard for HTML video, they significantly impede the ability of free-as-in-speech browsers like Firefox to rival their competitors in functionality, which hurts interoperability and innovation on the Web as a whole. Meanwhile, though Chrome and Safari may be excellent browsers, and while their support for modern standards-based HTML and CSS should be applauded, in this respect their choice of a proprietary video format is more reminiscent of IE, circa the mid-90’s.
1and1.com

The fact that YouTube and Vimeo are trumpeting their new HTML 5 video support as an open standards victory is misleading to say the least. And it does lead to confusion: as pointed out by Christopher Blizzard, more than a few people on Twitter seem to think that Firefox’s lack of support for YouTube’s HTML 5 video should be taken to mean that Firefox doesn’t support HTML 5!

YouTube stated that it was launching the new feature in response to a user survey in which “Support HTML5 open web video with open formats” was the most requested feature. It seems that YouTube might only have been paying attention to the first half of the sentence: HTML 5 video, yes; open formats, eh, not so much.

So what do you think? Is it the job of YouTube and other sites like it to lead the way in providing video in an open format? Or should Chrome and Safari lead the way by supporting those formats first? Or are Mozilla being hopeless idealists?



This article is one of the more recent in a series of articles debating html5, the iPad, iPhone, Apple, Flash and Adobe.

On a side note, I found this article to be very interesting. It could possibly push browser developers to adhere more closely to web standards and perhaps push for more support for the latest html and css updates.

http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2010/02/23/microsoft-european-browser-choice/

Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: GRACIE JIU-JITSU on February 22, 2010, 10:48:53 PM

Not exactly.

http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2010/01/25/the-dark-side-of-html-5-video/

Last week, YouTube announced beta HTML 5 video support: once you’ve activated the beta, you’ll see videos using a native browser element rather than the Flash plugin. The new player only works with a recent version of either Safari or Chrome (or Chrome Frame in IE), as the video is encoded with the H.264 codec, which isn’t supported in Firefox. A day after YouTube’s announcement, Vimeo made a similar one. They also now provide preliminary support for the HTML video element with a new HTML player.

Superficially this seems like a victory for the “open” Web, right? A few major sites, representing a significant percentage of online video, begin to move away from a proprietary technology (Flash) and towards an open standard (HTML 5). But when you look a little deeper it turns out to not be so simple. Both YouTube and Vimeo have chosen to provide their HTML video encoded with the H.264 codec, which is patent-encumbered. Apple has a big stake in H.264, so Safari supports it, and Google has paid a licensing fee to include an H.264 decoder in Chrome.

Mozilla Firefox, on the other hand, doesn’t support H.264: it will only play HTML video encoded with the Ogg Theora codec. This is partly for ideological reasons, as the Theora codec is open source and therefore inline with Mozilla’s principles. But there’s more to it than just ideology. In reply to YouTube’s announcement, Mozilla’s VP of Engineering, Mike Shaver, published a blog post explaining why Mozilla is sticking to its guns with Theora. He points to H.264’s licensing fees not only as a justification for Mozilla’s decision not to support the format, but also as a more dire threat: “[...] if H.264 becomes an accepted part of the standardized web, those fees are a barrier to entry for developers of new browsers, those bringing the web to new devices or platforms, and those who would build tools to help content and application development.” Mozilla’s Open Source Evangelist, Christopher Blizzard, also had a lot to say on the topic, likening the situation to what happened years ago with the GIF format (and, to a lesser extent, with MP3).

It’s important to remember that the current level of browser support for web standards comes, in large part, from Firefox’s ability to compete on a level playing field with other browsers, and from the Mozilla team’s dedication to open standards. When big sites like YouTube begin positioning a proprietary format as the de facto standard for HTML video, they significantly impede the ability of free-as-in-speech browsers like Firefox to rival their competitors in functionality, which hurts interoperability and innovation on the Web as a whole. Meanwhile, though Chrome and Safari may be excellent browsers, and while their support for modern standards-based HTML and CSS should be applauded, in this respect their choice of a proprietary video format is more reminiscent of IE, circa the mid-90’s.
1and1.com

The fact that YouTube and Vimeo are trumpeting their new HTML 5 video support as an open standards victory is misleading to say the least. And it does lead to confusion: as pointed out by Christopher Blizzard, more than a few people on Twitter seem to think that Firefox’s lack of support for YouTube’s HTML 5 video should be taken to mean that Firefox doesn’t support HTML 5!

YouTube stated that it was launching the new feature in response to a user survey in which “Support HTML5 open web video with open formats” was the most requested feature. It seems that YouTube might only have been paying attention to the first half of the sentence: HTML 5 video, yes; open formats, eh, not so much.

So what do you think? Is it the job of YouTube and other sites like it to lead the way in providing video in an open format? Or should Chrome and Safari lead the way by supporting those formats first? Or are Mozilla being hopeless idealists?



This article is one of the more recent in a series of articles debating html5, the iPad, iPhone, Apple, Flash and Adobe.

On a side note, I found this article to be very interesting. It could possibly push browser developers to adhere more closely to web standards and perhaps push for more support for the latest html and css updates.

http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2010/02/23/microsoft-european-browser-choice/




 

 Firefox must allow the use of codecs present in the Operating system.
  
 Otherwise when html5 goes big Firefox will be left behind.




 One more thing...

 The basic problem is simple: H.264 is encumbered by patents whose licensing is actively pursued by the MPEG-LA. If you distribute H.264 codecs in a jurisdiction where software patents are enforceable, and you haven't paid the MPEG-LA for a patent license, you are at risk of being sued.

So why doesn't Mozilla just license H.264 (like everybody else)?

 One big reason is that that would violate principles of free software. In particular, mostpeople believe that downstream recipients of our code should be able to modify and redistribute it without losing any functionality. This is freedom that copyleft licenses such as the GPL and LGPL (which we use for our code) are intended to ensure. It is possible to obtain patent licenses in a way which works around the letter of the GPLv2 and LGPLv2, but honoring the letter while violating the spirit is not a game we are interested in playing.

But aren't there (L)GPL implementations of H.264?

 Yes, but they're not as free as they appear. Their freedom has been silently stolen by patents (in jurisdictions where those patents exist and are enforceable).


Mozilla should just ship without licensing as a civil disobedience measure. That might be fun, but I expect an injunction would quickly force us to disable H.264 and send a hefty damages payout to the MPEG-LA. That's not a win.

Mozilla should pick up and use H.264 codecs that are already installed on the user's system.there are two main issues:

    * Most users with Windows Vista and earlier do not have an H.264 codec installed. So for the majority of our users, this doesn't solve any problem.
    * It pushes the software freedom issues from the browser (where we have leverage to possibly change the codec situation) to the platform (where there is no such leverage). You still can't have a completely free software Web client stack.

But you could just download gst-plugins-ugly and I'd be OK. That's a selfish attitude. Everyone should be able to browse the Web with a free software stack without having to jump through arcane hoops to download and install software (whose use is legally questionable).

The H.264 patents will expire soon, and then we'll be OK. Many H.264 patents don't expire until 2017 or later. Anyway, H.264 isn't the last word in video compression. There will be an H.265 and the same set of problems will persist.

Users just want video to work. Mozilla people are such idealists!

 Yes, that is the reason for Mozilla to exist. Anyway, in the short term, our users probably won't be affected much since Flash fallback will still work. In the long term, I think freedom will ultimately benefit users (not just Firefox users, but all users).

Apart from the issues with H.264 support in clients, there are also huge issues around H.264 for Web authors and content providers. Currently providing H.264 content on the Internet is zero-cost, but after 2010 that will almost certainly change. . We won't know much about the terms until the end of this month. The key issue is not exactly how much it will cost, but that if you want to publish H.264 you will probably have to hire lawyers and negotiate a license with the MPEG-LA. If you just want to put a few videos on your Web site, or add a help video to your Web application, or put a video cut-scene in your Web game, that is probably not something you want to do. Web video is not just about Youtube; mandatory licensing would cripple the use of video on the Web. (Just imagine if we had such a regime for still images...) Even if there were no patent issues on the client side, this would still be a good reason for Mozilla to push for truly free codecs.

The honest truth is that none of us know how this is going play out. The proponents of mandatory licensing are strong, and most people don't care about software freedom.


  This is Apple/Google vs Mozilla.

  H.264 is better than Theora.
 
  See it's not that simple. ;)
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: YngiweRhoads on February 23, 2010, 06:29:25 AM
I think you’re underestimating the importance of Flash in today’s web. First, Flash was installed in over 95% of browsers before video support was introduced. The reason was it gave developers and users abilities that weren’t available in the native browser. Second, there are huge problems with HTML5, while it aims to make some of Flash’s features native to the browser, it doesn’t replace them all. Also, don’t expect Microsoft to adopt any of these new specs until they’re finalized. This isn’t going any time soon. I wouldn’t expect any meaningful HTML5 support in IE until at least version 11. After support has been added it’s still going to be a few years for the market to adopt the new browser. On top of that, there’s no tools available to make development easy enough or robust enough for real world use. Sure you can use canvas, SVG and JavaScript to create animations, but it’s not easy. At the moment, I can spend a week doing a simple animation in HTML5 or a few hours in Flash and after only a small minority would be able to view the HTML5 version.

Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: GRACIE JIU-JITSU on February 23, 2010, 11:47:57 AM

 Like I said before Steve Jobs he is not stupid.


 Since the iPhone was first released, people have complained about its lack of support for third-party multitasking. This sentiment was further amplified when Apple recently announced the iPad, a device which also won’t support multitasking outside of Apple’s own apps.

The proffered reason behind Apple’s reluctance to support system wide multitasking is that users will inevitably leave apps open and running in the background, forget about them, and inadvertently drain their battery and affect their system performance in the process.

“But that’s nonsense!” critics chant from the rooftops, “users are smart enough to keep track of what apps they have open, and even if they aren’t, Apple can just release an app similar to Androids’ Advanced Task Killer.

We, however, take an opposing viewpoint and humbly assert that the vast majority of tech users are decidedly not smart enough to responsibly handle multitasking, let alone make sense of an app that allows them to terminate processes.

Our evidence is admittedly unscientific, but nonetheless, compelling.

There’s an app on the iTunes App Store called Amazing X-Ray that purports to x-ray various parts of your body and show the corresopnding images on your iPhone/iPod Touch screen. The app is essentially a party gag, and you’d like to think that no one in their right minds would realistically think that Apple has somehow built in X-ray functionality into their products. But then, you’d be giving the public far too much credit.

To wit, take a look at some of the user reviews of the X-Ray app on iTunes.

“I bought it thinking it would actually work.. was I stupid?! Its a huge fraud. It’s not your REAL x-ray, its a HUGE fraud. Don’t waste your money on this. Its a huge fraud. I really want my money back. Its also really unclear and its stupid.”

“I was duped. They can return my money? I thought it was a true x ray. False and buy it now. Give me my money please.”

A slew of other user reviews express the same sentiment, with a good number of reviews being warnings to other users that the app isn’t real.

And here’s some more proof that most people are technically clueless in the form of a video where a man asks random passerbys on the street what a web browser is. Their answers are pretty ridiculous.


 



Like it or not, but these users represent the average tech user in America! They don’t know what multitasking is, they’ve never heard of Engadget, and they sure as hell care more about a product that just works than they do about a list of impressive sounding specs. You’d be surprised how many people navigate to CNN via typing CNN.com into Google rather than typing it into the address bar.

These people, my friends, are the people Apple keeps in mind when it designs a product. It might sound obnoxious to say, but Apple’s stance on multitasking is essentially geared towards saving users from themselves.

If you’re not down with that, then hey, that’s perfectly understandable. But don’t expect Apple to cave into the cries of geeks when the number non tech-savvy individuals are far more voluminous.
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: GRACIE JIU-JITSU on February 23, 2010, 11:59:03 AM
I think you’re underestimating the importance of Flash in today’s web. First, Flash was installed in over 95% of browsers before video support was introduced. The reason was it gave developers and users abilities that weren’t available in the native browser. Second, there are huge problems with HTML5, while it aims to make some of Flash’s features native to the browser, it doesn’t replace them all. Also, don’t expect Microsoft to adopt any of these new specs until they’re finalized. This isn’t going any time soon. I wouldn’t expect any meaningful HTML5 support in IE until at least version 11. After support has been added it’s still going to be a few years for the market to adopt the new browser. On top of that, there’s no tools available to make development easy enough or robust enough for real world use. Sure you can use canvas, SVG and JavaScript to create animations, but it’s not easy. At the moment, I can spend a week doing a simple animation in HTML5 or a few hours in Flash and after only a small minority would be able to view the HTML5 version.




 Well!! it might take time. just a little.
 
 Agent Smith, please tell us your opinion.

 Agent Smith: It is inevitable.  ;)
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: timfogarty on February 23, 2010, 12:26:56 PM
If you’re not down with that, then hey, that’s perfectly understandable. But don’t expect Apple to cave into the cries of geeks when the number non tech-savvy individuals are far more voluminous.

that's the iPhone.  Mac OSX is full-blown Unix, bash shell scripting, runs Apache, PHP, MySql, GCC, etc.   Mac OSX also has VMWare, where you can create instances of other OSs, including NT and Vista.   
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: GRACIE JIU-JITSU on February 23, 2010, 08:47:25 PM

 Typical Apple fanboys.

 (http://edibleapple.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/apple-fanboys.gif)
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: GRACIE JIU-JITSU on February 27, 2010, 11:25:40 AM

 For months since the iMac with 27-inch screen was released in October, users have been complaining about various issues with the display. Apple maintained silence about the problems for months, until finally acknowledging that some screens had a flickering problems in December and releasing a firmware update to fix it. Now, weeks after issuing a second firmware fix that it claims solves the problem, Apple is finally publicly admitting that there was a problem with screens showing a yellowish tinge.

An Apple spokesperson directly acknowledged the yellowing problem for the first time in a statement to Gizmodo. "We've addressed the issues that caused display flickering and yellow tint," the spokesperson said. "Customers concerned that their iMac is affected should contact AppleCare."

Shipping turnaround times listed on the Apple website have often surged to as much as three weeks as problem reports continued to mount, causing Apple to go so far as to publicly deny a rumor that it had stopped production of the iMac in order to find a fix to the problems. Now that Apple claims to have fixed the problem, shipping times for the 27-inch iMac are now displayed on the website as no more than three to five days. Apple has always maintained that the delays were just because of the high demand for Apple's flagship computer. The new iMac was the best-selling desktop in the U.S. when it debuted last October, with the 21.5-inch model taking first place and the 27-inch iMac the third-best-selling machine.

Apple released a firmware patch in December called iMac Graphics Firmware Update 1.0. Then, in February, Apple sent out a second fix called iMac Display Firmware Update 1.0 which was listed as being specifically for iMacs shipped in late 2009 only. An Apple service outlet in the UK reported at that time that Apple was offering a full refund plus a 15 percent bonus to some users whose issues had not been resolved after multiple tries.

Gizmodo, which has been very vocl in publicizing the issue and pressing Apple for a response, has cautioned new iMac owners to test their computers before concluding that the problem has been resolved. Even if a fix is in place, defective iMacs may still be in the pipeline, and Gizmodo notes that users may need to return their computers for working ones.
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: YngiweRhoads on February 27, 2010, 11:41:59 AM
For months since the iMac with 27-inch screen was released in October, users have been complaining about various issues with the display. Apple maintained silence about the problems for months, until finally acknowledging that some screens had a flickering problems in December and releasing a firmware update to fix it. Now, weeks after issuing a second firmware fix that it claims solves the problem, Apple is finally publicly admitting that there was a problem with screens showing a yellowish tinge.

An Apple spokesperson directly acknowledged the yellowing problem for the first time in a statement to Gizmodo. "We've addressed the issues that caused display flickering and yellow tint," the spokesperson said. "Customers concerned that their iMac is affected should contact AppleCare."

Shipping turnaround times listed on the Apple website have often surged to as much as three weeks as problem reports continued to mount, causing Apple to go so far as to publicly deny a rumor that it had stopped production of the iMac in order to find a fix to the problems. Now that Apple claims to have fixed the problem, shipping times for the 27-inch iMac are now displayed on the website as no more than three to five days. Apple has always maintained that the delays were just because of the high demand for Apple's flagship computer. The new iMac was the best-selling desktop in the U.S. when it debuted last October, with the 21.5-inch model taking first place and the 27-inch iMac the third-best-selling machine.

Apple released a firmware patch in December called iMac Graphics Firmware Update 1.0. Then, in February, Apple sent out a second fix called iMac Display Firmware Update 1.0 which was listed as being specifically for iMacs shipped in late 2009 only. An Apple service outlet in the UK reported at that time that Apple was offering a full refund plus a 15 percent bonus to some users whose issues had not been resolved after multiple tries.

Gizmodo, which has been very vocl in publicizing the issue and pressing Apple for a response, has cautioned new iMac owners to test their computers before concluding that the problem has been resolved. Even if a fix is in place, defective iMacs may still be in the pipeline, and Gizmodo notes that users may need to return their computers for working ones.

I could've swore I posted a link to this, or a similar article beforehand.

Apparently, Apple is more concerned with the mobile market these days.
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: Armstrong on February 27, 2010, 12:28:42 PM
If you're arrogant, wish to overpay and are into graphic design, get a MAC. Otherwise PC.

LOL.  So true!  All the Mac people think there shit dont stink.   ;D
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: Joel_A on February 27, 2010, 05:48:38 PM
I don't get you guys that buy laptops with these huge ass screens.. like 17, 18" why not just get a tower !?!? at that point the fucking laptop is big enough to qualify as a suitcase.. maybe it's just me but isn't the point of a laptop mobility and easy of portability ?!!? 14" tops, anything larger you might as well just use a regular pc.


3d Archhitecture modeling. The bigger the screen, the better.
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: Captain Equipoise on February 27, 2010, 10:28:33 PM
3d Archhitecture modeling. The bigger the screen, the better.

Who the hell would do 3d modelling on a laptop !?!! I used to work in 3d graphics (way back in the day of Lightwave, Maya, Softimage) late 90's...  there's no way you could run an app like Maya properly on a laptop, there aren't enough system resources, let alone video card and memory to support it.. and even if you're talking about more industrial apps like apps for comercial deisgn, ie, solid works, autocad, etc. same arguement holds true.
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: GRACIE JIU-JITSU on March 04, 2010, 08:50:41 AM

 Flash On The Way Out?

Adobe cannot seem to catch a break these days, after Steve Jobs cut down Flash, and continues to refuse to support Flash on the iPhone. At first, this didn't seem like a big deal, we all figured Flash would still hold strong and eventually Apple would cave. This doesn't seem to be the case, as more and more websites begin to replace their flash with HTML5 content (once the standards have been put in place by WWWC), many in an effort to support the iPhone.

Virgin America recently updated their entire website on Monday, which was once full of Flash content, and now uses HTML in order to deliver a better experience to the iPhone user and those phones that don't support Flash.

Virgin America is not the first website to do this of course, but its significant enough to indicate the trend of where companies truly want to place their target media, which these days is the increasingly large number of mobile smartphones. Google for one, has already created the ability to view YouTube videos with HTML5.

What are your thoughts? Have you seen any other website turn away from flash in an effort to support Mobile phones? Will Apple have the final say in this? Will we ever see flash on the iPhone? My guess, is no.
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: YngiweRhoads on March 04, 2010, 09:09:18 AM
LOL!

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gGR6aW39MQ6T4HWrc8Wjxv5cqPbgD9E62HLO1

Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: BayGBM on March 10, 2010, 07:47:22 AM
My other half uses a PC and he mocks my Mac all the time.  :-\

I never thought I would do it as I have no desire to run PC software, but yesterday I installed Windows on both my Macbook and Mac Pro.  My Mac is now running OSX and Windows Vista.  Can your PC do that?  My other half is eating his words.  :-X
 
;D
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: HTexan on March 10, 2010, 08:08:44 AM
My other half uses a PC and he mocks my Mac all the time.  :-\

I never thought I would do it as I have no desire to run PC software, but yesterday I installed Windows on both my Macbook and Mac Pro.  My Mac is now running OSX and Windows Vista.  Can your PC do that?  My other half is eating his words.  :-X
 
;D

vista sucks man, you should get windows 7.
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: BayGBM on March 10, 2010, 08:14:42 AM
vista sucks man, you should get windows 7.

I installed XP too.  And if I wanted to I could install Win 7 as well (I have a huge hard drive).  The point is, I can choose.  I'm going to delete the PC partitions as I really have no use for them.  But for users who are contemplating going from PC to Mac they can make the switch without saying goodbye to their library of software and still gain the benefits of owning a Mac. ;)
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: HTexan on March 10, 2010, 08:20:53 AM
I installed XP too.  And if I wanted to I could install Win 7 as well (I have a huge hard drive).  The point is, I can choose.  I'm going to delete the PC partitions as I really have no use for them.  But for users who are contemplating going from PC to Mac they can make the switch without saying goodbye to their library of software and still gain the benefits of owning a Mac. ;)
you only need one install of windows. yeah i got a big hard drive too, i swapped one in the first day i got my macbook pro. im still eyeing an 8 gig ram upgrade. :)
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: Captain Equipoise on March 10, 2010, 09:18:40 AM
My other half uses a PC and he mocks my Mac all the time.  :-\

I never thought I would do it as I have no desire to run PC software, but yesterday I installed Windows on both my Macbook and Mac Pro.  My Mac is now running OSX and Windows Vista.  Can your PC do that?  My other half is eating his words.  :-X
 
;D


LOL @ your ignorance, the reason your MAC is running both is because it's BUILT ON INTEL-PC ARCHITECTURE, all the new MAC's are based on PC's....hahaha, the joke's on you.

I'm speaking hardware of course, the native MAC operating system is BSD (unix) which can run windows as well.
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: BayGBM on March 10, 2010, 09:22:29 AM
LOL @ your ignorance, the reason your MAC is running both is because it's BUILT ON INTEL-PC ARCHITECTURE, all the new MAC's are based on PC's....hahaha, the joke's on you.

I'm speaking hardware of course, the native MAC operating system is BSD (unix) which can run windows as well.


Gee, I didn't know that.  You're so smart!  ::)
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: Captain Equipoise on March 10, 2010, 09:31:55 AM
Gee, I didn't know that.  You're so smart!  ::)

Better then a pretentious fag that thinks everyone around him is gay....
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: TrueGrit on March 10, 2010, 10:59:56 AM
I'm either gonna get this or a powermac in a few months

http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/354670/asus-nx90-video-first-look

anyone got an opinion on this? I like this asus as it will have better sound than a mac pro so it can double as a hifi.
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: kiwiol on March 10, 2010, 11:05:36 AM
Better then a pretentious fag that thinks everyone around him is gay....

Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: HTexan on March 10, 2010, 09:38:21 PM
Better then a pretentious fag that thinks everyone around him is gay....

damn!!! :D
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: GRACIE JIU-JITSU on March 21, 2010, 09:47:57 PM
 
  Apple = No virus... just security holes.  ;D

 Internet security researcher Charlie MIller will release the results of research he's done to uncover 30 security holes in Mac OS X to the CanSecWest security conference in Vancouver later this month. According to a report by Forbes, the guy who won a MacBook Air at Pwn2Own the past two straight years is not sure whether he will tell Apple what the flaws are: he says he might hold on to them for this year's challenge.

Miller worked for five years at the US National Security Agency as a "global network explaoitation analyst," finding weaknesses and vulnerabilities in computer networks for the US government spies, reportedly carrying out multiple hacks against foreign targets. As a private citizen, he started Independent Security Evaluators, a consulting firm, showing service providers how to harden their Web code against attack. Miller has been very public in his focus on the vulnerabilities of Apple software, being the first to discover a security hole in Mobile Safari in 2007. At Pwn2Own in 2008, it took him just two minutes to defeat a MacBook Air's security, and used a Safari exploit to crack a MacBook in less than 10 seconds in 2009. Last year, he also used an SMS vulnerability to pwn an iPhone.

A report by Andy Greenberg the Forbes Firewall blog notes that of the 30 previously unknown security holes Miller found in Mac OS X, 20 of them are in the Preview application. By tricking a user into opening a PDF that contains Miller's exploit, a hacker could gain control of their Mac. Moreover, since Safari uses Preview's rendering engine to display PDFs in the browser, the code could be hidden on any web page.

Miller told Forbes that he used "dumb fuzzing" to find the holes: a Python script just five lines long changed one bit on a PDF file at a time and let the application run it, checking to see if it crashed. He used this brute force method for three weeks straight on each of four applications and says he found a thousand different ways to crash them. He then investigated the crashes to see if any of them allowed him to gain control of the system. There were 20 exploitable bugs in Preview compared with either 3 or 4 each in Reader, PowerPoint, and OpenOffice.

Miller said that he was surprised he found so many bugs, and took it as a clear indication that Apple being lax in doing its own security testing, “It’s shocking that Apple didn’t do this first," the researcher told Forbes. "The only skill I’ve used here is patience.” He indicated that he hasn't informed Apple of his discoveries and may try to use them against Mobile Safari on the iPhone for this year's Pwn2Own competition. If that works, he says, he'll see if they work on the iPad as well.

"Microsoft, Apple, and Adobe all have huge security teams, and I'm one guy working out of my house," Miller says. "I shouldn't be able to find bugs like these, ever."
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: grab an umbrella on March 22, 2010, 09:48:02 AM
Why pay extra for a mac?  Its unix based, so just use ubuntu or any other flavor of linux and save yourself hundreds of dollars.  Bottom line, macs are for fags.
Title: Re: Mac Vs. PC
Post by: titusisback on March 22, 2010, 12:58:32 PM
Bottom line, macs are for fags.

I like that - very catchy!  :D