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Wasn't this guy getting props nonstop from the far-right getbig members recently?
Do it with 51 votes
The 60-vote requirement for healthcare is made up. 51 is a majority, and it's all we need
By Robert Reich
So what’s been stopping Obama from using reconciliation? Even if some of the arguments held water before now, none does any longer.
My free advice to the President: If you want to get healthcare enacted you must use reconciliation and quickly. Host your bipartisan gab fest at the White House on Thursday. Tell Republicans you’ve been eagerly awaiting their ideas for over a year, but the American public can’t wait any longer. Explain to them how our current economic mess is directly related to the health care mess -- we’re paying 16 percent of our GDP for health care while health insurers are hiking rates and Americans are losing their health insurance every day. Then tell the House and Senate to get to work on putting their bills together (or tell the House Dems to enact the Senate bill and then save their disagreements for reconciliation), and tell Harry Reid you want the Senate bill on a fast track of reconciliation.
Explain to the American people you understand their impatience. The Constitution does not require 60 votes in the Senate to pass legislation. A majority will do. That’s called democracy.
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Not from me.This little kike was the fool that said whites shouldnt get jobs that were "created" by the stimulous bill.This little jew is a typical anti white racist piece of crap that surrounds Obama.
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Wasn't this guy getting props nonstop from the far-right getbig members recently?
Do it with 51 votes
The 60-vote requirement for healthcare is made up. 51 is a majority, and it's all we need
By Robert Reich
So what’s been stopping Obama from using reconciliation? Even if some of the arguments held water before now, none does any longer.
My free advice to the President: If you want to get healthcare enacted you must use reconciliation and quickly. Host your bipartisan gab fest at the White House on Thursday. Tell Republicans you’ve been eagerly awaiting their ideas for over a year, but the American public can’t wait any longer. Explain to them how our current economic mess is directly related to the health care mess -- we’re paying 16 percent of our GDP for health care while health insurers are hiking rates and Americans are losing their health insurance every day. Then tell the House and Senate to get to work on putting their bills together (or tell the House Dems to enact the Senate bill and then save their disagreements for reconciliation), and tell Harry Reid you want the Senate bill on a fast track of reconciliation.
Explain to the American people you understand their impatience. The Constitution does not require 60 votes in the Senate to pass legislation. A majority will do. That’s called democracy.
This isn't about the American public. This is about the Dems, wanting to impose this mess on the American people. The GOP has been locked out of the conversation, time and time again. So, this whole pathetic attempt by Team Obama to paint the Republicans as having no ideas is just plain pathetic and few (if any) are buying it.
The American people want Washington to START FROM SCRATCH and do this the right way. Obama and his posse have no plans of doing that and they really don't want any bi-partianship. This summit on Thursday is PR gimmick and nothing more.
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So Politicians from Counties that have Universal Health Care go elsewhere when it is their health on the line.
and...
Our very own Politicians have exempted themselves from getting Obama Care
Anyone still think this Bill is a good thing ?
http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianpress/article/ALeqM5h0QC7bditrEb3wYz_6_b-gsGGDxA
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Wasn't this guy getting props nonstop from the far-right getbig members recently?
Do it with 51 votes
The 60-vote requirement for healthcare is made up. 51 is a majority, and it's all we need
By Robert Reich
So what’s been stopping Obama from using reconciliation? Even if some of the arguments held water before now, none does any longer.
My free advice to the President: If you want to get healthcare enacted you must use reconciliation and quickly. Host your bipartisan gab fest at the White House on Thursday. Tell Republicans you’ve been eagerly awaiting their ideas for over a year, but the American public can’t wait any longer. Explain to them how our current economic mess is directly related to the health care mess -- we’re paying 16 percent of our GDP for health care while health insurers are hiking rates and Americans are losing their health insurance every day. Then tell the House and Senate to get to work on putting their bills together (or tell the House Dems to enact the Senate bill and then save their disagreements for reconciliation), and tell Harry Reid you want the Senate bill on a fast track of reconciliation.
Explain to the American people you understand their impatience. The Constitution does not require 60 votes in the Senate to pass legislation. A majority will do. That’s called democracy.
Insurance reform will finally pass. :D GOP has offered nothing other than "let's start over"
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Insurance reform will finally pass. :D GOP has offered nothing other than "let's start over"
The mere fact that the Dems would have to resort to the nuclear option (which will do little but guarantee that they get killed this November) simply shows that the American people DO NOT WANT this garbage.
The American people want Washington to start over. And, that's what Washington should do, end of story.
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Insurance reform will finally pass. :D GOP has offered nothing other than "let's start over"
Only a imbecile like you would have the audacity to call this "Insurance Reform".
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Insurance reform will finally pass. :D GOP has offered nothing other than "let's start over"
Moron. They are not reforming anything. This is nothing more than a massive tax hike masqerading as a health bill.
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So Politicians from Counties that have Universal Health Care go elsewhere when it is their health on the line.
and...
Our very own Politicians have exempted themselves from getting Obama Care
Anyone still think this Bill is a good thing ?
http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianpress/article/ALeqM5h0QC7bditrEb3wYz_6_b-gsGGDxA
Exactly. "Gatorade", the "Lousiana Purchase", and the "Cornhusker Kickback" were put in place to ensure that thsoe states (Florida, Lousiana, and Nebraska, respectively) don't get screwed like the rest of the nation.
And, you're dead on the money. Why is the Canadian Premier coming here to save his hide, if his country's healthcare is all that?
Left up to their system, this guy would be DEAD.
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Insurance reform will finally pass. :D GOP has offered nothing other than "let's start over"
No ideas?How about tort reform,allowing people to buy insurance across state lines.Republicans had MANY ideas but the stupid ass democrats are hell bent on two thing.DESTROYING private insurance companies and government run health care.Considering how well the government runs everything else,it should be a great thing for the country.
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Moron. They are not reforming anything. This is nothing more than a massive tax hike masqerading as a health bill.
And, since Obama's made it clear that he's "considering" hiking taxes on people who makes under $250,000, Mons Venus is effectively cheering for his own taxes to get shot to the ceiling.
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And, since Obama's made it clear that he's "considering" hiking taxes on people who makes under $250,000, Mons Venus is effectively cheering for his own taxes to get shot to the ceiling.
What else do you expect? This thing is a disaster.
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Insurance reform will finally pass. :D GOP has offered nothing other than "let's start over"
:D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D
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:D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D
Good. Nothing is way better than this abortion.
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I have to say on the Canadian coming to America, i support a universal health care system with the option to purchase private insurance if you have the money. I think a fully universal system is flawed with wait times etc, but unfortunately in Canada you can not purchase private insurance to cover costs and a lot of places don't have private hospitals at a high standard. A mix of the two is the best option IMO. However, people will go on about this Canadian going to the states but i can gurantee a huge majority of Canadians would not trade their health care for this American mess. No freaking way. Anyone of them who has been hurt and not been bankrupted by higher premiums or denial of claim will tell you that much. As well as the majority who have the piece of mind to not worry that their costs will go up if they are found to have cancer, heart issues or a family history of some disease.
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Only a imbecile like you would have the audacity to call this "Insurance Reform".
1/ Record rate hikes
2/ Record profits
3/ Record # patients dumped for profit
Sounds like INSURANCE REFORM to me! :D :D :D
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1/ Record rate hikes
2/ Record profits
3/ Record # patients dumped for profit
Sounds like INSURANCE REFORM to me! :D :D :D
Yeah sure it is, just keep telling yourself that ::)
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And, since Obama's made it clear that he's "considering" hiking taxes on people who makes under $250,000, Mons Venus is effectively cheering for his own taxes to get shot to the ceiling.
Think again kid. Just the taxes on my home exceed your yearly income. ;)
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Think again kid. Just the taxes on my home exceed your yearly income. ;)
Wow how do you know that? Have been spying on me again butt jouster?
Beside there is no way your cardboard box costs more than what I make in a year.
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Insurance reform will finally pass. :D GOP has offered nothing other than "let's start over"
Are you calling your messiah a liar Mons?
after all he has said time and time again that the reps have good and valid ideas on health care... ::)
so which one is it there hoss?
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1/ Record rate hikes
2/ Record profits
3/ Record # patients dumped for profit
Sounds like INSURANCE REFORM to me! :D :D :D
Republican Gov. Schwarzenegger agrees with me! :D :D :D
WASHINGTON — While Republican leaders in Washington are urging President Barack Obama to start from scratch on a health care bill, California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger on Monday dismissed the idea as "bogus talk"
"I think any Republican that says you should start from scratch, I think that's bogus talk, and that's partisan talk," the governor told reporters.
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Republican Gov. Schwarzenegger agrees with me! :D :D :D
WASHINGTON — While Republican leaders in Washington are urging President Barack Obama to start from scratch on a health care bill, California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger on Monday dismissed the idea as "bogus talk"
"I think any Republican that says you should start from scratch, I think that's bogus talk, and that's partisan talk," the governor told reporters.
And with that and $1 you can buy a cup of coffee
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Republican Gov. Schwarzenegger agrees with me! :D :D :D
WASHINGTON — While Republican leaders in Washington are urging President Barack Obama to start from scratch on a health care bill, California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger on Monday dismissed the idea as "bogus talk"
"I think any Republican that says you should start from scratch, I think that's bogus talk, and that's partisan talk," the governor told reporters.
Please, arnold is looking for a bailout from ZERO.
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Enjoy your "Circle jerk" boys... I have a successful business to run.
Good day.
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Exactly. "Gatorade", the "Lousiana Purchase", and the "Cornhusker Kickback" were put in place to ensure that thsoe states (Florida, Lousiana, and Nebraska, respectively) don't get screwed like the rest of the nation.
And, you're dead on the money. Why is the Canadian Premier coming here to save his hide, if his country's healthcare is all that?
Left up to their system, this guy would be DEAD.
Wrong!!!
Heart disease deaths (most recent) by country
# 1 Slovakia: 216 per 100,000 people
# 2 Hungary: 192.1 per 100,000 people
# 3 Ireland: 152.6 per 100,000 people
# 4 Czech Republic: 148.6 per 100,000 people
# 5 Finland: 143.8 per 100,000 people
# 6 New Zealand: 127.3 per 100,000 people
# 7 United Kingdom: 122 per 100,000 people
# 8 Iceland: 115.4 per 100,000 people
# 9 Norway: 112.5 per 100,000 people
# 10 Australia: 110.9 per 100,000 people
# 11 Sweden: 110.1 per 100,000 people
# 12 Austria: 109.3 per 100,000 people
# 13 United States: 106.5 per 100,000 people
# 14 Germany: 106.1 per 100,000 people
# 15 Denmark: 105.4 per 100,000 people
# 16 Canada: 94.9 per 100,000 people
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/hea_hea_dis_dea-health-heart-disease-deaths (http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/hea_hea_dis_dea-health-heart-disease-deaths)
Other misadventures during surgical and medical care (per capita) (most recent) by country
# 1 Luxembourg: 2.13415 deaths per 1 million peo
# 2 Hungary: 0.79944 deaths per 1 million peo
# 3 Estonia: 0.750188 deaths per 1 million peo
# 4 Norway: 0.653168 deaths per 1 million peo
# 5 Austria: 0.610874 deaths per 1 million peo
# 6 Slovenia: 0.497265 deaths per 1 million peo
# 7 New Zealand: 0.495663 deaths per 1 million peo
# 8 Latvia: 0.436681 deaths per 1 million peo
# 9 Panama: 0.318471 deaths per 1 million peo
# 10 Korea, South: 0.308382 deaths per 1 million peo
# 11 Uruguay: 0.29274 deaths per 1 million peo
# 12 Lithuania: 0.278009 deaths per 1 million peo
# 13 Puerto Rico: 0.255689 deaths per 1 million peo
# 14 Costa Rica: 0.249004 deaths per 1 million peo
# 15 Moldova: 0.224467 deaths per 1 million peo
# 16 Chile: 0.187723 deaths per 1 million peo
# 17 Slovakia: 0.184128 deaths per 1 million peo
# 18 Denmark: 0.184094 deaths per 1 million peo
# 19 Nicaragua: 0.182983 deaths per 1 million peo
# 20 Israel: 0.159312 deaths per 1 million peo
# 21 Paraguay: 0.15753 deaths per 1 million peo
# 22 Germany: 0.145576 deaths per 1 million peo
# 23 United States: 0.131875 deaths per 1 million peo
# 24 Netherlands: 0.121899 deaths per 1 million peo
# 25 Sweden: 0.111086 deaths per 1 million peo
# 26 Dominican Republic: 0.110497 deaths per 1 million peo
# 27 Australia: 0.099552 deaths per 1 million peo
# 28 Romania: 0.0895656 deaths per 1 million peo
# 29 Ecuador: 0.0748279 deaths per 1 million peo
# 30 Japan: 0.062786 deaths per 1 million peo
# 31 Canada: 0.0609663 deaths per 1 million peo
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/mor_oth_mis_dur_sur_and_med_car_percap-surgical-medical-care-per-capita (http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/mor_oth_mis_dur_sur_and_med_car_percap-surgical-medical-care-per-capita)
Unintentional cut, puncture, perforation, haemorrhage during medical care (per capita) (most recent) by country
# 1 Iceland: 3.36999 deaths per 1 million peo
# 2 Estonia: 3.00075 deaths per 1 million peo
# 3 Costa Rica: 1.49402 deaths per 1 million peo
# 4 Slovenia: 1.4918 deaths per 1 million peo
# 5 Latvia: 1.31004 deaths per 1 million peo
# 6 Denmark: 1.10457 deaths per 1 million peo
# 7 New Zealand: 0.991326 deaths per 1 million peo
# 8 Hungary: 0.79944 deaths per 1 million peo
# 9 Moldova: 0.673401 deaths per 1 million peo
# 10 Austria: 0.488699 deaths per 1 million peo
# 11 Germany: 0.460992 deaths per 1 million peo
# 12 Cuba: 0.440645 deaths per 1 million peo
# 13 United States: 0.432821 deaths per 1 million peo
# 14 Kyrgyzstan: 0.388651 deaths per 1 million peo
# 15 Dominican Republic: 0.331492 deaths per 1 million peo
# 16 Israel: 0.318624 deaths per 1 million peo
# 17 Panama: 0.318471 deaths per 1 million peo
# 18 Uruguay: 0.29274 deaths per 1 million peo
# 19 Lithuania: 0.278009 deaths per 1 million peo
# 20 Poland: 0.25935 deaths per 1 million peo
# 21 Puerto Rico: 0.255689 deaths per 1 million peo
# 22 Croatia: 0.22242 deaths per 1 million peo
# 23 Norway: 0.217723 deaths per 1 million peo
# 24 Czech Republic: 0.195293 deaths per 1 million peo
# 25 Finland: 0.191461 deaths per 1 million peo
# 26 Slovakia: 0.184128 deaths per 1 million peo
# 27 Nicaragua: 0.182983 deaths per 1 million peo
# 28 Netherlands: 0.182849 deaths per 1 million peo
# 29 Mexico: 0.178903 deaths per 1 million peo
# 30 Australia: 0.149328 deaths per 1 million peo
# 31 Japan: 0.13342 deaths per 1 million peo
# 32 Egypt: 0.11612 deaths per 1 million peo
# 33 Sweden: 0.111086 deaths per 1 million peo
# 34 Thailand: 0.109058 deaths per 1 million peo
# 35 Korea, South: 0.102794 deaths per 1 million peo
# 36 Argentina: 0.101168 deaths per 1 million peo
# 37 United Kingdom: 0.0992704 deaths per 1 million peo
# 38 Canada: 0.0914495 deaths per 1 million peo
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/mor_uni_cut_pun_per_hae_dur_med_car_percap-during-medical-care-per-capita (http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/mor_uni_cut_pun_per_hae_dur_med_car_percap-during-medical-care-per-capita)
Sequelae with surgical and medical care as external cause (per capita) (most recent) by country
# 1 Luxembourg: 2.13415 deaths per 1 million peo
# 2 Estonia: 1.50038 deaths per 1 million peo
# 3 Netherlands: 1.27994 deaths per 1 million peo
# 4 Israel: 1.27449 deaths per 1 million peo
# 5 Slovenia: 0.99453 deaths per 1 million peo
# 6 Austria: 0.610874 deaths per 1 million peo
# 7 Latvia: 0.436681 deaths per 1 million peo
# 8 Kuwait: 0.428082 deaths per 1 million peo
# 9 Nicaragua: 0.365965 deaths per 1 million peo
# 10 Ecuador: 0.299312 deaths per 1 million peo
# 11 Australia: 0.298656 deaths per 1 million peo
# 12 United States: 0.28742 deaths per 1 million peo
# 13 Argentina: 0.278213 deaths per 1 million peo
# 14 Lithuania: 0.278009 deaths per 1 million peo
# 15 Puerto Rico: 0.255689 deaths per 1 million peo
# 16 Croatia: 0.22242 deaths per 1 million peo
# 17 Sweden: 0.222173 deaths per 1 million peo
# 18 Norway: 0.217723 deaths per 1 million peo
# 19 Finland: 0.191461 deaths per 1 million peo
# 20 Korea, South: 0.185029 deaths per 1 million peo
# 21 Slovakia: 0.184128 deaths per 1 million peo
# 22 Brazil: 0.171939 deaths per 1 million peo
# 23 Germany: 0.157708 deaths per 1 million peo
# 24 Paraguay: 0.15753 deaths per 1 million peo
# 25 Egypt: 0.11612 deaths per 1 million peo
# 26 Dominican Republic: 0.110497 deaths per 1 million peo
# 27 Japan: 0.109875 deaths per 1 million peo
# 28 Poland: 0.10374 deaths per 1 million peo
# 29 Hungary: 0.09993 deaths per 1 million peo
# 30 Czech Republic: 0.0976467 deaths per 1 million peo
# 31 Cuba: 0.088129 deaths per 1 million peo
# 32 Chile: 0.0625743 deaths per 1 million peo
# 33 Canada: 0.0609663 deaths per 1 million peo
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/mor_seq_wit_sur_and_med_car_as_ext_cau_percap-care-external-cause-per-capita (http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/mor_seq_wit_sur_and_med_car_as_ext_cau_percap-care-external-cause-per-capita)
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Wrong!!!
Heart disease deaths (most recent) by country
# 1 Slovakia: 216 per 100,000 people
# 2 Hungary: 192.1 per 100,000 people
# 3 Ireland: 152.6 per 100,000 people
# 4 Czech Republic: 148.6 per 100,000 people
# 5 Finland: 143.8 per 100,000 people
# 6 New Zealand: 127.3 per 100,000 people
# 7 United Kingdom: 122 per 100,000 people
# 8 Iceland: 115.4 per 100,000 people
# 9 Norway: 112.5 per 100,000 people
# 10 Australia: 110.9 per 100,000 people
# 11 Sweden: 110.1 per 100,000 people
# 12 Austria: 109.3 per 100,000 people
# 13 United States: 106.5 per 100,000 people
# 14 Germany: 106.1 per 100,000 people
# 15 Denmark: 105.4 per 100,000 people
# 16 Canada: 94.9 per 100,000 people
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/hea_hea_dis_dea-health-heart-disease-deaths
Other misadventures during surgical and medical care (per capita) (most recent) by country
# 1 Luxembourg: 2.13415 deaths per 1 million peo
# 2 Hungary: 0.79944 deaths per 1 million peo
# 3 Estonia: 0.750188 deaths per 1 million peo
# 4 Norway: 0.653168 deaths per 1 million peo
# 5 Austria: 0.610874 deaths per 1 million peo
# 6 Slovenia: 0.497265 deaths per 1 million peo
# 7 New Zealand: 0.495663 deaths per 1 million peo
# 8 Latvia: 0.436681 deaths per 1 million peo
# 9 Panama: 0.318471 deaths per 1 million peo
# 10 Korea, South: 0.308382 deaths per 1 million peo
# 11 Uruguay: 0.29274 deaths per 1 million peo
# 12 Lithuania: 0.278009 deaths per 1 million peo
# 13 Puerto Rico: 0.255689 deaths per 1 million peo
# 14 Costa Rica: 0.249004 deaths per 1 million peo
# 15 Moldova: 0.224467 deaths per 1 million peo
# 16 Chile: 0.187723 deaths per 1 million peo
# 17 Slovakia: 0.184128 deaths per 1 million peo
# 18 Denmark: 0.184094 deaths per 1 million peo
# 19 Nicaragua: 0.182983 deaths per 1 million peo
# 20 Israel: 0.159312 deaths per 1 million peo
# 21 Paraguay: 0.15753 deaths per 1 million peo
# 22 Germany: 0.145576 deaths per 1 million peo
# 23 United States: 0.131875 deaths per 1 million peo
# 24 Netherlands: 0.121899 deaths per 1 million peo
# 25 Sweden: 0.111086 deaths per 1 million peo
# 26 Dominican Republic: 0.110497 deaths per 1 million peo
# 27 Australia: 0.099552 deaths per 1 million peo
# 28 Romania: 0.0895656 deaths per 1 million peo
# 29 Ecuador: 0.0748279 deaths per 1 million peo
# 30 Japan: 0.062786 deaths per 1 million peo
# 31 Canada: 0.0609663 deaths per 1 million peo
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/mor_oth_mis_dur_sur_and_med_car_percap-surgical-medical-care-per-capita
Unintentional cut, puncture, perforation, haemorrhage during medical care (per capita) (most recent) by country
# 1 Iceland: 3.36999 deaths per 1 million peo
# 2 Estonia: 3.00075 deaths per 1 million peo
# 3 Costa Rica: 1.49402 deaths per 1 million peo
# 4 Slovenia: 1.4918 deaths per 1 million peo
# 5 Latvia: 1.31004 deaths per 1 million peo
# 6 Denmark: 1.10457 deaths per 1 million peo
# 7 New Zealand: 0.991326 deaths per 1 million peo
# 8 Hungary: 0.79944 deaths per 1 million peo
# 9 Moldova: 0.673401 deaths per 1 million peo
# 10 Austria: 0.488699 deaths per 1 million peo
# 11 Germany: 0.460992 deaths per 1 million peo
# 12 Cuba: 0.440645 deaths per 1 million peo
# 13 United States: 0.432821 deaths per 1 million peo
# 14 Kyrgyzstan: 0.388651 deaths per 1 million peo
# 15 Dominican Republic: 0.331492 deaths per 1 million peo
# 16 Israel: 0.318624 deaths per 1 million peo
# 17 Panama: 0.318471 deaths per 1 million peo
# 18 Uruguay: 0.29274 deaths per 1 million peo
# 19 Lithuania: 0.278009 deaths per 1 million peo
# 20 Poland: 0.25935 deaths per 1 million peo
# 21 Puerto Rico: 0.255689 deaths per 1 million peo
# 22 Croatia: 0.22242 deaths per 1 million peo
# 23 Norway: 0.217723 deaths per 1 million peo
# 24 Czech Republic: 0.195293 deaths per 1 million peo
# 25 Finland: 0.191461 deaths per 1 million peo
# 26 Slovakia: 0.184128 deaths per 1 million peo
# 27 Nicaragua: 0.182983 deaths per 1 million peo
# 28 Netherlands: 0.182849 deaths per 1 million peo
# 29 Mexico: 0.178903 deaths per 1 million peo
# 30 Australia: 0.149328 deaths per 1 million peo
# 31 Japan: 0.13342 deaths per 1 million peo
# 32 Egypt: 0.11612 deaths per 1 million peo
# 33 Sweden: 0.111086 deaths per 1 million peo
# 34 Thailand: 0.109058 deaths per 1 million peo
# 35 Korea, South: 0.102794 deaths per 1 million peo
# 36 Argentina: 0.101168 deaths per 1 million peo
# 37 United Kingdom: 0.0992704 deaths per 1 million peo
# 38 Canada: 0.0914495 deaths per 1 million peo
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/mor_uni_cut_pun_per_hae_dur_med_car_percap-during-medical-care-per-capita
Sequelae with surgical and medical care as external cause (per capita) (most recent) by country
# 1 Luxembourg: 2.13415 deaths per 1 million peo
# 2 Estonia: 1.50038 deaths per 1 million peo
# 3 Netherlands: 1.27994 deaths per 1 million peo
# 4 Israel: 1.27449 deaths per 1 million peo
# 5 Slovenia: 0.99453 deaths per 1 million peo
# 6 Austria: 0.610874 deaths per 1 million peo
# 7 Latvia: 0.436681 deaths per 1 million peo
# 8 Kuwait: 0.428082 deaths per 1 million peo
# 9 Nicaragua: 0.365965 deaths per 1 million peo
# 10 Ecuador: 0.299312 deaths per 1 million peo
# 11 Australia: 0.298656 deaths per 1 million peo
# 12 United States: 0.28742 deaths per 1 million peo
# 13 Argentina: 0.278213 deaths per 1 million peo
# 14 Lithuania: 0.278009 deaths per 1 million peo
# 15 Puerto Rico: 0.255689 deaths per 1 million peo
# 16 Croatia: 0.22242 deaths per 1 million peo
# 17 Sweden: 0.222173 deaths per 1 million peo
# 18 Norway: 0.217723 deaths per 1 million peo
# 19 Finland: 0.191461 deaths per 1 million peo
# 20 Korea, South: 0.185029 deaths per 1 million peo
# 21 Slovakia: 0.184128 deaths per 1 million peo
# 22 Brazil: 0.171939 deaths per 1 million peo
# 23 Germany: 0.157708 deaths per 1 million peo
# 24 Paraguay: 0.15753 deaths per 1 million peo
# 25 Egypt: 0.11612 deaths per 1 million peo
# 26 Dominican Republic: 0.110497 deaths per 1 million peo
# 27 Japan: 0.109875 deaths per 1 million peo
# 28 Poland: 0.10374 deaths per 1 million peo
# 29 Hungary: 0.09993 deaths per 1 million peo
# 30 Czech Republic: 0.0976467 deaths per 1 million peo
# 31 Cuba: 0.088129 deaths per 1 million peo
# 32 Chile: 0.0625743 deaths per 1 million peo
# 33 Canada: 0.0609663 deaths per 1 million peo
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/mor_seq_wit_sur_and_med_car_as_ext_cau_percap-care-external-cause-per-capita
Heart Disease and death statistics, has to do mainly with diet, and hereditary, not how good a cardiac surgeon is.
Plus those statistics above have to do with people who lived in a partucualr Country, and we have been invaded by a 3rd world country (Mexico) and these people come her with numerous health problems already.
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Heart Disease and death statistics, has to do mainly with diet, and hereditary, not how good a cardiac surgeon is.
That wouldn't explain the other statistics I posted.
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Hmmm i think we can all agree Luxembourg is not a place to get surgery.
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That wouldn't explain the other statistics I posted.
We have been invaded by a 3rd world country (Mexico) and these people come here with numerous health problems already. plus this over fills our Emergency Rooms, The ObamaCare Plan does noting to solve this, in fact it would make it even worse.
Plus, Why did the Canadian Premier come to the US for Heart Surgery ?
"Canadian Premier on US health procedure: 'This was my heart, my choice and my health'...
An unapologetic Danny Williams says he was aware his trip to the United States for heart surgery earlier this month would spark outcry, but he concluded his personal health trumped any public fallout over the controversial decision.
In an interview with The Canadian Press, Williams said he went to Miami to have a "minimally invasive" surgery for an ailment first detected nearly a year ago, based on the advice of his doctors.
"This was my heart, my choice and my health," Williams said late Monday from his condominium in Sarasota, Fla.
"I did not sign away my right to get the best possible health care for myself when I entered politics."
http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianpress/article/ALeqM5h0QC7bditrEb3wYz_6_b-gsGGDxA
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So Politicians from Counties that have Universal Health Care go elsewhere when it is their health on the line,
and...
Our very own Politicians have exempted themselves from getting Obama Care
Anyone still think this pos is a good thing ?
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We have been invaded by a 3rd world country (Mexico) and these people come her with numerous health problems already.
Plus, Why did the Canadian Premier come to the US for Heart Surgery ?
So Politicians from Counties that have Universal Health Care go elsewhere when it is their health on the line,
and...
Our very own Politicians have exempted themselves from getting Obama Care
Anyone still think this pos is a good thing ?
If you would post the entire article you would know.
My heart, my choice,' Williams says, defending decision for U.S. heart surgery
By Tara Brautigam (CP) – 18 hours ago
An unapologetic Danny Williams says he was aware his trip to the United States for heart surgery earlier this month would spark outcry, but he concluded his personal health trumped any public fallout over the controversial decision.
In an interview with The Canadian Press, Williams said he went to Miami to have a "minimally invasive" surgery for an ailment first detected nearly a year ago, based on the advice of his doctors.
"This was my heart, my choice and my health," Williams said late Monday from his condominium in Sarasota, Fla.
"I did not sign away my right to get the best possible health care for myself when I entered politics."
The 60-year-old Williams said doctors detected a heart murmur last spring and told him that one of his heart valves wasn't closing properly, creating a leakage.
He said he was told at the time that the problem was "moderate" and that he should come back for a checkup in six months.
Eight months later, in December, his doctors told him the problem had become severe and urged him to get his valve repaired immediately or risk heart failure, he said.
His doctors in Canada presented him with two options - a full or partial sternotomy, both of which would've required breaking bones, he said.
He said he spoke with and provided his medical information to a leading cardiac surgeon in New Jersey who is also from Newfoundland and Labrador. He advised him to seek treatment at the Mount Sinai Medical Center in Miami.
That's where he was treated by Dr. Joseph Lamelas, a cardiac surgeon who has performed more than 8,000 open-heart surgeries.
Williams said Lamelas made an incision under his arm that didn't require any bone breakage.
"I wanted to get in, get out fast, get back to work in a short period of time," the premier said.
Williams said he didn't announce his departure south of the border because he didn't want to create "a media gong show," but added that criticism would've followed him had he chose to have surgery in Canada.
"I would've been criticized if I had stayed in Canada and had been perceived as jumping a line or a wait list. ... I accept that. That's public life," he said.
"(But) this is not a unique phenomenon to me. This is something that happens with lots of families throughout this country, so I make no apologies for that."
Williams said his decision to go to the U.S. did not reflect any lack of faith in his own province's health care system.
"I have the utmost confidence in our own health care system in Newfoundland and Labrador, but we are just over half a million people," he said.
"We do whatever we can to provide the best possible health care that we can in Newfoundland and Labrador. The Canadian health care system has a great reputation, but this is a very specialized piece of surgery that had to be done and I went to somebody who's doing this three or four times a day, five, six days a week."
He quipped that he had "a heart of a 40-year-old, so that gives me 20 years new life," and said he intends to run in the next provincial election in 2011.
"I'm probably going to be around for a long time, hopefully, if God willing," he said.
"God forbid for the Canadian public I won't be around longer than ever."
Williams also said he paid for the treatment, but added he would seek any refunds he would be eligible for in Canada.
"If I'm entitled to any reimbursement from any Canadian health care system or any provincial health care system, then obviously I will apply for that as anybody else would," he said.
"But I wrote out the cheque myself and paid for it myself and to this point, I haven't even looked into the possibility of any reimbursement. I don't know what I'm entitled to, if anything, and if it's nothing, then so be it."
He is expected back at work in early March.
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http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianpress/article/ALeqM5h0QC7bditrEb3wYz_6_b-gsGGDxA (http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianpress/article/ALeqM5h0QC7bditrEb3wYz_6_b-gsGGDxA)
We also have to contend with Americans abusing our healthcare system.
http://www.nytimes.com/1993/12/20/world/americans-filching-free-health-care-in-canada.html?pagewanted=1 (http://www.nytimes.com/1993/12/20/world/americans-filching-free-health-care-in-canada.html?pagewanted=1)
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The debate over American healthcare is not for me to be involved with, I just don't like seeing so many people bashing the Canadian healthcare system. It isn't as bad as it is being made out to be.
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Skeeter,
Why did he leave Canada, and come to the USA to get surgery ?
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According to the interview he didn't want to wait like everybody else and had the money to fork out.
Canadians are generally quite happy with our healthcare system according to a recent poll.
Don't have link at this moment but take my word for it.
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According to the interview he didn't want to wait like everybody else and had the money to fork out.
Canadians are generally quite happy with our healthcare system according to a recent poll.
Don't have link at this moment but take my word for it.
So he didn't want to have to wait like everyone else does, so he left Canada, and went to a place where he did not have to wait (USA)
CASE FUCKING CLOSED !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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According to the interview he didn't want to wait like everybody else and had the money to fork out.
EXACTLY!!!!
What that means is that, if someone without his means were in the same situation, he'd be SCREWED.
That's why we don't want socialized healthcare in this country.
Dick Cheney just had a heart attack. For some strange reason, he didn't jump the border to get his problems fixed. He stayed right here in the USA.
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EXACTLY!!!!
What that means is that, if someone without his means were in the same situation, they'd be SCREWED.
That's why we don't want socialized healthcare in this country.
Dick Cheney just had a heart attack. For some strange reason, he didn't jump the border to get his problems fixed. He stayed right here in the USA.
Exactly. Fuck Obama and his merry band of marxists.
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Universal Health Care !!!
Great for the people who can afford to fly to another Country, when you need major surgery, and cant wait like the common folks have to!!!
Just like the Canadian Premier did recently !!!
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Universal Health Care !!!
Great for the people who can afford to fly to another Country, when you need major surgery, and cant wait like the common folks have to!!!
Just like the Canadian Premier did recently !!!
So much for the "shared sacrifice" flap.
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wow it amazes me that the people here can not see what the best health care system would be. A blend of the two. On one hand you have a universal care of all, that everyone pays into (much like canada) that is administered via states and is a tax deduction from state income tax. Next you have the option to purchase private health care from any insurance company in the united states (provided they will take you). You have the best of both worlds. Private care if you have the money and universal care if you can not afford a private care. This is a damn site better than letting people die and still keeps the insurance companies busy because as you say people will have to wait for universal care, i'm sure those who are not covered don't mind because guess what? It's better to be covered than not. And those with private insurance go about their business as if nothing happened and still get to deduct the universal fee from their income taxes.
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wow it amazes me that the people here can not see what the best health care system would be. A blend of the two. On one hand you have a universal care of all, that everyone pays into (much like canada) that is administered via states and is a tax deduction from state income tax. Next you have the option to purchase private health care from any insurance company in the united states (provided they will take you). You have the best of both worlds. Private care if you have the money and universal care if you can not afford a private care. This is a damn site better than letting people die and still keeps the insurance companies busy because as you say people will have to wait for universal care, i'm sure those who are not covered don't mind because guess what? It's better to be covered than not. And those with private insurance go about their business as if nothing happened and still get to deduct the universal fee from their income taxes.
wow, it amazes me that you are so naive.
Universal Health Care in the United States would ruin our Health Care System.
We probably have as many illegal Aliens in this Country, as Canada has in total population.
If we already had a Universal health care system (along with Private Heath Insurance) The Canadian Premier would not have come to the USA to get his recent Heart Surgery, as our waiting time would be longer than theirs. And our Politicians I assure you would not be waiting. ( like you and I would )
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wow, it amazes me that you are so naive.
Universal Health Care in the United States would ruin our Health Care System.
We have probably have as many illegal Aliens in this Country, as Canada has in total population.
If we already had a Universal health care system (along with Private Heath Insurance) The Canadian Premier would not have come to the USA to get his recent Heart Surgery, as our waiting time would be longer than theirs. And our Politicians I assure you would not be waiting either ( like you and I would )
Not true. Private would still be private. There may be a wait time for universally covered people but anyone with any money or sense would take the best coverage available to them. If they choose to be covered by universal coverage then so be it they live with the wait times. If you wanted to pay for it you'd get in and if you had private care you'd get the same care you get now. Only with the added benefit that if the insurance company tries to fu*k you over you can say screw you i'm out of here and actually get coverage at a reasonable price.
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Not true. Private would still be private. There may be a wait time for universally covered people but anyone with any money or sense would take the best coverage available to them. If they choose to be covered by universal coverage then so be it they live with the wait times. If you wanted to pay for it you'd get in and if you had private care you'd get the same care you get now. Only with the added benefit that if the insurance company tries to fu*k you over you can say screw you i'm out of here and actually get coverage at a reasonable price.
Again - you think the Fairy God Govt is going to make everything ok. it doesnt work that way.
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Again - you think the Fairy God Govt is going to make everything ok. it doesnt work that way.
Not to mention how unconstitutional the who mess is, but why let that stand in the way.
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Not to mention how unconstitutional the who mess is, but why let that stand in the way.
I personally think the term "Fairy God Govt" is the best thing I have come up with yet for what most libs expect of the govt to do for them at the expense of everyone else.
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Not true. Private would still be private. There may be a wait time for universally covered people but anyone with any money or sense would take the best coverage available to them. If they choose to be covered by universal coverage then so be it they live with the wait times. If you wanted to pay for it you'd get in and if you had private care you'd get the same care you get now. Only with the added benefit that if the insurance company tries to fu*k you over you can say screw you i'm out of here and actually get coverage at a reasonable price.
What you described above would be against the law: to have one waiting time for people with Private Health Insurance and another list for people with Universal Health Care.
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Again - you think the Fairy God Govt is going to make everything ok. it doesnt work that way.
never said they'd make everything okay, just better than they are now. It can only get worse unless something is done. The statistics show that the % of people dying without insurance is increasing to a preposterous level. I see no problem with the govt having a universal plan for all with the ability to cover yourself with private insurance if you wish. I don't see how you have an issue with that, your coverage wouldn't change for you or your family with the added bonus that if your insurance skyrocketed due to some unforeseen circumstance you'd be able to still get coverage under a universal plan.
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What you described above would be against the law, to have one waiting time for people with Private Health Insurance and another list for people with Universal Health Care.
Uh no. Please see New Zealand and Australia as examples of universal care countries that also have private hospitals and insurance.
Please also see Canada, they too have private hospitals but as explained they are few and far between because you can not get private insurance there. Hence why a hybrid would be the best solution because in Canada you would have to pay out of pocket rather than have insurance cover your private stay. Please also see many European countries where the same is true.
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never said they'd make everything okay, just better than they are now. It can only get worse unless something is done. The statistics show that the % of people dying without insurance is increasing to a preposterous level. I see no problem with the govt having a universal plan for all with the ability to cover yourself with private insurance if you wish. I don't see how you have an issue with that, your coverage wouldn't change for you or your family with the added bonus that if your insurance skyrocketed due to some unforeseen circumstance you'd be able to still get coverage under a universal plan
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Of course you dont see a problem. Not until your Mother, Father, and or Child was put on a waiting list to get a major life saving surgery, while the Politician that you voted for flew to another Country to get the same surgery, without out having to wait.
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Of course you dont see a problem. Not until your Mother, Father, and or Child was put on a waiting list to get a major life saving surgery, while the Politician that you voted for flew to another Country to get the same surgery, without out having to wait.
Same thing happens now except you get to see your mother, father, child be denied care because it was deemed a pre existing condition and you've paid your premiums on time for years or better yet you get to see your house taken from you because your premiums have gone up so much you can't afford to have both so you choose life and living in a basement.
The poor get fu*ked no matter what but under a hybrid plan at least they get care and coverage and the amount of people saved would far outweigh those who died waiting.
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Uh no. Please see New Zealand and Australia as examples of universal care countries that also have private hospitals and insurance.
Please also see Canada, they too have private hospitals but as explained they are few and far between because you can not get private insurance there. Hence why a hybrid would be the best solution because in Canada you would have to pay out of pocket rather than have insurance cover your private stay. Please also see many European countries where the same is true.
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Who gives a shit about other countries? If they want a nanny state thats up to them. I don't know where you get this crazy idea that somehow everyone is entitled to "health care/insurance" but you are not. Doctors are trained porfessionals that you have to pay for service. The US constitution sets the rules for the federal government, they have no authority, if the states want to do it thats up to them and the residents of that state. It is not the right, duty, or obligation of the Federal Government.
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Uh no. Please see New Zealand and Australia as examples of universal care countries that also have private hospitals and insurance.
Please also see Canada, they too have private hospitals but as explained they are few and far between because you can not get private insurance there. Hence why a hybrid would be the best solution because in Canada you would have to pay out of pocket rather than have insurance cover your private stay. Please also see many European countries where the same is true.
I have seen it, and they have one waiting period on all non elective surgeries, same as in Germany, England and Canada. Plus, they have not been invaded by a 3rd Word Country, like we have, and do not have 20 to 30 million illegals waiting for Universal Health Care, which will make Canada's waiting time look fast.
So once again, your fairy tale dream of the USA having a Universal health Care and private Insurance, with no long waiting for major surgery, is just that, a fairy tale.
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One waiting period? Weird! When my brother was in New Zealand he got covered by a private hospital immediately because he had private insurance. Same with my grandmother when she lived there. Her hip replacement was going to take 6-12 months but because she had private coverage and money to pay for it she got it within a week.
My girlfriends grandfather was from Canada. He had cancer and decided he wanted private care so he paid for it in Canada.
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You guys are basing wait times with death. Waiting for surgery does not necessarily mean you will die from the wait. (I am aware that it does happen but it is rare)
The majority of Canadians are happy with our health care.
http://medicare.ca/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/nanos-poll.pdf (http://medicare.ca/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/nanos-poll.pdf)
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One waiting period? Weird! When my brother was in New Zealand he got covered by a private hospital immediately because he had private insurance. Same with my grandmother when she lived there. Her hip replacement was going to take 6-12 months but because she had private coverage and money to pay for it she got it within a week.
My girlfriends grandfather was from Canada. He had cancer and decided he wanted private care so he paid for it in Canada.
That was a private Hospital. How many people live in New Zealand maybe 4 million? We have over 300 million people. Do you know how long it would take to build enough private Hospitals in the USA? Where are going to get all the new Doctors? We already have a nursing shortage, and now KCBaller thinks we can build enough private Hospitals, staff them with doctors and nurses in a timely manner, and all hold hands and sing songs!
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You guys are basing wait times with death. Waiting for surgery does not necessarily mean you will die from the wait. (I am aware that it does happen but it is rare)
The majority of Canadians are happy with our health care.
http://medicare.ca/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/nanos-poll.pdf
iIf it so good in Canada, why did the Canadian Premier come to the USA to get his heart surgery ?
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He explained it in the article.
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That was a private Hospital, and how many people live in New Zealand maybe 4 million ? We have over 300 million people Do you know how long it would take to build enough private Hospitals in the USA ? Where are going to get all the new Doctors ? We already have a nursing shortage, and now KCBaller thinks we can build enough private Hospitals, staff them with doctors and nurses in a timely manner, and all hold hands and sing songs!
So you're basically saying that we can't do anything in this country, we can't produce drs, nurses or hospitals but hey we can provide death to the poor and those unfortunate enough to have a preexisting condition! yay America under James
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So you're basically saying that we can't do anything in this country, we can't produce drs, nurses or hospitals but hey we can provide death to the poor and those unfortunate enough to have a preexisting condition! yay America under James
I live in reality, not some liberal fantasy land like you do.
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He explained it in the article.
No, he said it with his actions, and his actions were: He got the fuck out of Canada when his life/health was on the line.
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No, he said it with his actions, and his actions were: He got the fuck out of Canada when his life/health was on the line.
And went to a country with statistically more botched surgeries than his own.
Danny Williams does not speak for all Canadians.
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And went to a country with statistically more botched surgeries than his own.
Danny Williams does not speak for all Canadians.
But, when HIS OWN HIDE was on the line, he didn't choose YOUR healthcare system. He chose ours.
Enough said.
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And went to a country with statistically more botched surgeries than his own.
Danny Williams does not speak for all Canadians.
He spoke for his own life, and he spoke loud and clear that he preferred the no waiting time int he USA. over the waiting line in Canada.
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Skeeter, once the USA has Universal Health Care, where will many Canadians go when they dont want to wait ?
Canadians visit U.S. to get health care
Hospitals in border cities, including Detroit, are forging lucrative arrangements with Canadian health agencies to provide care not widely available across the border.
Agreements between Detroit hospitals and the Ontario Ministry of Health and Long-Term Care for heart, imaging tests, bariatric and other services provide access to some services not immediately available in the province, said ministry spokesman David Jensen.
The agreements show how a country with a national care system -- a proposal not part of the health care changes under discussion in Congress -- copes with demand for care with U.S. partnerships, rather than building new facilities.
Michael Vujovich, 61, of Windsor was taken to Detroit's Henry Ford Hospital for an angioplasty procedure after he went to a Windsor hospital in April. Vujovich said the U.S. backup doesn't show a gap in Canada's system, but shows how it works.
"I go to the hospital in Windsor and two hours later, I'm done having angioplasty in Detroit," he said. His $38,000 bill was covered by the Ontario health ministry.
Canada eyed in the health care debate
Dany Mercado, a leukemia patient from Kitchener, Ontario, is cancer-free after getting a bone marrow transplant at the Barbara Ann Karmanos Cancer Institute in Detroit.
Told by Canadian doctors in 2007 he couldn't have the procedure there, Mercado's family and doctor appealed to Ontario health officials, who agreed to let him have the transplant in Detroit in January 2008.
The Karmanos Institute is one of several Detroit health facilities that care for Canadians needing services not widely available in Canada.
Canada, for example, has waiting times for bariatric procedures to combat obesity that can stretch to more than five years, according to a June report in the Canadian Journal of Surgery.
As a result, the Ontario Ministry of Health and Long-Term Care in April designated 13 U.S. hospitals, including five in Michigan and one more with a tentative designation, to perform bariatric surgery for Canadians
"In the last few years, we've seen more and more Canadian patients," said Dr. J. Edson Pontes, senior vice president of international medicine at the DMC. They include Canadians such as Mercado, whose care is reimbursed by Canada's health system, as well as people who pay out of pocket to avoid waiting in Canada.
Canada's U.S. backup care "speaks volumes to why we don't need government to take over health care," Scott Hagerstrom, the state director in Michigan for Americans for Prosperity, said of the Canadian arrangements with Michigan hospitals. "Their system doesn't work if they have to send us their patients."
http://www.freep.com/article/20090820/BUSINESS06/908200420/Canadians-visit-U.S.-to-get-health-care
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Skeeter, once the USA has Universal Health Care, where will many Canadians go when they dont want to wait ?
Canadians visit U.S. to get health care
Hospitals in border cities, including Detroit, are forging lucrative arrangements with Canadian health agencies to provide care not widely available across the border.
Agreements between Detroit hospitals and the Ontario Ministry of Health and Long-Term Care for heart, imaging tests, bariatric and other services provide access to some services not immediately available in the province, said ministry spokesman David Jensen.
The agreements show how a country with a national care system -- a proposal not part of the health care changes under discussion in Congress -- copes with demand for care with U.S. partnerships, rather than building new facilities.
Michael Vujovich, 61, of Windsor was taken to Detroit's Henry Ford Hospital for an angioplasty procedure after he went to a Windsor hospital in April. Vujovich said the U.S. backup doesn't show a gap in Canada's system, but shows how it works.
"I go to the hospital in Windsor and two hours later, I'm done having angioplasty in Detroit," he said. His $38,000 bill was covered by the Ontario health ministry.
http://www.freep.com/article/20090820/BUSINESS06/908200420/Canadians-visit-U.S.-to-get-health-care
More space will be freed up when uninsured Americans stop abusing our health care system.
http://www.nytimes.com/1993/12/20/world/americans-filching-free-health-care-in-canada.html?pagewanted=1 (http://www.nytimes.com/1993/12/20/world/americans-filching-free-health-care-in-canada.html?pagewanted=1)
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More space will be freed up when uninsured Americans stop abusing our health care system.
http://www.nytimes.com/1993/12/20/world/americans-filching-free-health-care-in-canada.html?pagewanted=1
Well considering almost 1/4 of the money you spent on Universal Health care in Ontario comes from Americans.
from the very same article you linked :
"About a quarter of the $17 billion spent on health care in Ontario, the richest and most populous province, is borrowed in the form of bonds sold to investors, many from the United States. Borrowing Costs Increase "
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It would still cut down on wait times from Americans using our system.
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It would still cut down on wait times from Americans using our system.
If Americans did not lend Ontario Billions of Dollars, Ontario would have no waiting line at all, because their would be no doctors to wait for.
And the fraud mentioned in that article,is just another reason to show that Universal health Care is the wrong thing to do, especially considering we border a 3rd world country (Mexico) and the fraud would bankrupt us at faster rate than our politicians are.
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I agree with you that your system should not change, however our system has done quite well for Canada and it is not the "death trap" that it is made out to be.
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I agree with you that your system should not change, however our system has done quite well for Canada and it is not the "death trap" that it is made out to be.
Me too.
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I agree with you that your system should not change, however our system has done quite well for Canada and it is not the "death trap" that it is made out to be.
I agree with that, however, we already are taxed to death and to et something like that requires an additional layer of taxes our economy cant bear.
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I personally think the term "Fairy God Govt" is the best thing I have come up with yet for what most libs expect of the govt to do for them at the expense of everyone else.
Agreed. ;D