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if Phil is half "black" and half "white" why is he considered "black"?
when people call him "black" do they refer to the colour of his skin or his "race"?
black and white are irrelevant and people should be defined by more than their skin colour
there is only one "race" - the human race
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if Phil is half "black" and half "white" why is he considered "black"?
when people call him "black" do they refer to the colour of his skin or his "race"?
black and white are irrelevant and people should be defined by more than their skin colour
there is only one "race" - the human race
*MattC on approach with crime statistics*
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if Phil is half "black" and half "white" why is he considered "black"?
when people call him "black" do they refer to the colour of his skin or his "race"?
black and white are irrelevant and people should be defined by more than their skin colour
there is only one "race" - the human race
bench
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Clearly Phil is bi-racial.
Read here about the one-drop rule....It used to be an actual law.... :o Being as race sensitive as America is the "rule" kinda stuck. Now with America having as many bi-racial people as they do, the rule is starting to crumble.
Funny thing is I've always noticed if the bi-racial person is successful person, the whites will call them bi-racial but if they're bad they're black ;D You shifty, sleezy crackas ;D
Summary
The One-Drop Rule is an historical, colloquial term in the United States that holds that a person with any trace of sub-Saharan ancestry, however small or invisible, cannot be considered White and so unless said person has an alternative non-White ancestry they can claim, such as Native American, Asian, Arab, Australian aboriginal, they must be considered Black.
This notion of the “invisible” or “intangible” membership to an ethnic group has seldom been applied to people of Native American ancestry; the notion has been largely applied to those of Black-African ancestry. Langston Hughes wrote, "You see, unfortunately, I am not Black. There are lots of different kinds of blood in our family. But here in the United States, the word 'Negro' is used to mean anyone who has any Negro blood at all in his veins. In Africa, the word is more pure. It means all Negro, therefore Black. I am brown." During the Black pride era of the Civil Rights Movement, the stigma associated with sub-Saharan ancestry was claimed as a socio-political advantage.
The 1910s were the nadir of the Jim Crow laws era by most measures. Tennessee adopted a one-drop statute in 1910. It was followed by Louisiana the same year, Texas and Arkansas in 1911, Mississippi in 1917, North Carolina in 1923, Virginia in 1924, Alabama and Georgia in 1927, and Oklahoma in 1931. During this same time, Florida, Indiana, Kentucky, Maryland, Missouri, Nebraska, North Dakota and Utah retained their old racial blood fraction statutes, but amended these fractions, such as one-eighth or one-sixteenth etc., to be equivalent to simply one drop of Negro blood, de facto. By 1925, almost every state had some form of a one-drop law on the books. These were the laws that empowered to bureaucrats like Walter Plecker of Virginia, Naomi Drake of Louisiana and a number of others around the country, to insistently label families of mixed ancestry as “Black,” despite the actual percentages.
Tracing Bloodlines
Before 1930, individuals of mixed European and African ancestry were generally classified as “mulattoes,” sometimes as Black and sometimes as White. So it became, at first, the main purpose of the one-drop rule was to prevent interracial relationships, and thus keep Whites "pure." It was believed that the blood of Black people, or of other races than White, was “tainted.” In 1924, Plecker wrote, "Two races as materially divergent as the White and Negro, in morals, mental powers, and cultural fitness, cannot live in close contact without injury to the higher." In line with this concept was also the assumption that Blacks would somehow be "improved" through White inter-mixing.
Plecker was preceded by Madison Grant who wrote in his book, The Passing of the Great Race, "The cross between a White man and an Indian is an Indian; the cross between a White man and a Negro is a Negro; the cross between a White man and a Hindu is a Hindu; and the cross between any of the three European races and a Jew is a Jew."
In the case of Native American admixture with Whites, the one-drop rule was extended only as far as to those with one-fourth Native American blood. This was due to what was known as the "Pocahontas exception." The "Pocahontas exception" existed because many influential Virginian families claimed to be descendants of Pocahontas. To avoid classifying them as non-White, the Virginia General Assembly declared that a person could be considered White as long as they had no more than one-sixteenth Native American blood.
In 1967, the U.S. Supreme Court, in its ruling in the case of Loving v. Virginia, conclusively invalidated Plecker's Virginia Racial Integrity Act. That meant the Court was reversing the one-drop rule, calling it unconstitutional. But despite this holding, the one-drop theory is still influential in U.S. society. Multiracial individuals with visibly mixed European and African and/or Native American ancestry are often still considered non-White, unless they explicitly declare themselves White or Anglo. They are typically identified instead as mixed-race, mulatto, Black or American Indian, for example. By contrast, these standards are widely rejected by people of the Latino community, the majority of who are of mixed ancestry, but to them, their Latino cultural heritage is more important to their ethnic identities than "race." Therein, they are Hispanic or Latino first, and Black, White etc., second. So, the one-drop rule is generally not applied to Latinos of mixed origin or to Arab-Americans.
Grouping the Races
There are several different methods that are useful in trying to assess the future of the one-drop rule in the U.S., including how interracial parents choose to label their children on the decennial U.S. census, on academic and opinions polls, and through trends in national affirmative action court cases.
From the Reconstruction era until about 1930, the children of Black and White parents and/or mixed-race parents were usually just identified as mulatto or “mixed.” It is becoming increasingly common for people to identify themselves as multi-racial, mulatto or mixed rather than as only Black or White. It became something that was no longer an either, or decision. The fraction of mixed children that the census labeled as solely Black dropped from 62 percent in 1990, to 31 percent in 2000, when the option of choosing multiple "races" were first allowed. This suggested that the one-drop theory, and not being allowed to claim one's European ancestry, was no longer sanctioned the way it used to be.
Despite the one-drop rule being deemed unconstitutional in 1967, as recently as 1986, the U.S. Supreme Court allowed the one-drop rule to stand by refusing to hear a case against the state of Louisiana’s racial classification procedures as were applied to Susie Phipps. In addition, several authors and journalists found it profitable to "out" historically famous Blacks, mulattoes and Whites, who were regarded as “White” within society. These people who were exposed often self-identified as being “White” and were culturally European-American, merely because they acknowledged having a small percentage of African ancestry. Such examples of some who were “ousted” are: Anatole Broyard, Patrick Francis Healy, Michael Morris Healy, Jr., Sir Peter Ustinov, Calvin Clark Davis, John James Audubon and Mother Henriette Delille.
Many scholars publishing on this topic today, including Neil Gotanda, Michael L. Blakey, Christine Hickman, Dinesh D'Souza, Mary C. Waters and Debra J. Dickerson, affirm that the one-drop rule is still dominant in American popular culture. Affirmative action court cases on the other hand in instances where an apparently White person claims Black ancestry in order to receive federal entitlements and/or Equal Employment Opportunity Commission benefits, are split. In some cases, such as the one in 1985, involving Boston firefighters Philip and Paul Malone, courts have held that such claimants are guilty of "racial fraud," despite their claim of a Black grandparent. In other instances, such as the 1988 Denver case of schoolteacher, Mary Walker, who was a person of fair complexion, green eyes, light brown hair and no documented Black ancestry, the courts have ordered employers to accept claimants as Black for EEOC purposes. And other claimants, such as 1997 Detroit businessman Mostafa Hefny, a Black-looking immigrant actually from Africa (Egypt), are denied benefits because North Africans are considered to be White.
Meanings of the Rule
Mainly because of the one-drop rule there are many light-skinned people that are considered Black. In many of these instances, the person can actually have more White ancestry than Black. There are examples of how this could happen through the generations. During slavery, there could have been a mulatto person, who, because of the one-drop rule, was considered Black. If they then had a child with a White person, the child would be one-fourth Black, and during that time, that child would still be considered “Black,” even though they are technically three-fourths White. There are plenty of people throughout American history that have a higher percentage of Caucasian heritage than of Black heritage, but they had been generally considered Black, depending on their features and level of skin color. Examples of this would include: Sally Hemings and G.K. Butterfield. However, such people are the exception, not the rule. The average person who self-identifies as Black in America has at least 53 percent of their ancestry from sub-Saharan Africa. Only 10 percent of Americans who self-identify as Black are less than 50 percent African in ancestry.
During the oppression of the apartheid in South Africa, one drop of sub-Saharan blood was not enough to qualify an individual as Black. South African law maintained a major distinction between those who were “Black” and those who were “colored.” When it was unclear from a person's physical appearance which racial classification they belonged to,” the pencil test” was employed. This test involved inserting a pencil into a person's hair to determine if the hair was kinky enough for the pencil to get stuck. If the pencil did not fall right out of the person’s hair, that individual was deemed Black.
Preponderance of Ancestry
Increasingly, the one-drop rule and the reverse one-drop rule are being replaced by another methodology of deciding who is Black and who is White. In this definition, a person's race is expressed in terms of where most of their ancestors come from.
Scholar Dickerson writes, "Easily one-third of Blacks have white DNA." And accordingly, she wonders why, in light of this, so much of the focus on tracing ancestry in the Black community has been focused on finding a link back to a region in Africa. She holds that in ignoring White ancestry, Blacks are denying their fully articulated multi-racial identities, which developed in America over centuries.
According to scholar, J. Phillipe Rushton, who believes that gaps in IQ scores among races represent genetic differences between such races. He has said, “Yes, to a certain extent all the races blend into each other. That is true in any biological classification system. However, most people can be clearly identified with one race or another. In both everyday life and evolutionary biology, a ‘Black’ is anyone most of whose ancestors were born in sub-Saharan Africa. A ‘White’ is anyone most of whose ancestors were born in Europe. And an [Asian] is anyone most of whose ancestors were born in East Asia. Modern DNA studies give rather much the same results.”
Yet, according to scholar, Michael Levin: “Hybrid populations with multiple lines of descent are to be characterized in just those terms: as of multiple descent.” He said. “Thus, American “negroids” are individuals most of whose ancestors from 15 to 5,000 generations ago were sub- Saharan African. Specifying 'most' more precisely in a way that captures ordinary usage may not be possible. Less than 50 percent seems too low a threshold; my sense is that ordinary attributions of race begin to stabilize at 75 percent.”
Meanwhile the company DNAPrint Genomics analyzes DNA to determine the exact percentage of Indo-European, sub-Saharan, East Asian and Native American heritage someone has, and assigns the person to the category of White, Black, East Asian, Native American or mixed race accordingly. This is consistent with U.S. sociologist Troy Duster and ethicist Pilar Ossorio who have tried to warn how classifying race along the lines of outward features, alone, is far too complicated. They have said, “Some percentage of people who look White will possess genetic markers indicating that a significant majority of their recent ancestors were African. Some percentage of people who look Black will possess genetic markers indicating the majority of their recent ancestors were European.”
In Popular Culture
•Someone having literally one drop of Black blood in him is a plot point in Show Boat.
•In the Family Guy episode "Peter Griffin: Husband, Father...Brother?," Peter discovers that he has a Black ancestor from slave days. Despite being no more than one-sixteenth Black, probably even less, he describes himself as Black throughout the episode and attends events with a primarily Black audience making fun of the fact that people will classify you as Black even if you have one ancestor and disregard any other heritage you may have.
Sources: Wikipedia.org; http://www.webcom.com/~intvoice/liam5.html; W. Augustus Low, Virgil A. Clift: "Civil Rights," Encyclopedia of Black America. New York: McGraw-Hill, 1981, pp. 243-244; Pauli Murray, ed. States’ Laws on Race and Color, Athens, 1997; “The Campaign for Racial Purity and the Erosion of Paternalism in Virginia, 1922-1930: 'Nominally White, Biologically Mixed, and Legally Negro',” Journal of Southern History 68, no. 1, 2002: 65-106; Virginia R. Dominguez, White by Definition: Social Classification in Creole Louisiana, New Brunswick NJ: Rutgers University, 1986; Madison Grant, The Passing of The Great Race, 1916; Sweet, Frank W., Legal History of the Color Line: The Rise and Triumph of the One-Drop Rule; Rushton J. P., Race, Evolution, and Behavior: A Life History Perspective, Charles Darwin Research Inst. Pr; 3rd edition, 2000; Levin M., The Race Concept: A Defense, Behavior and Philosophy
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if Phil is half "black" and half "white" why is he considered "black"?
Check his nose and round and long muscles and you know why (no racist, yes jealous white bitch)
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wiggs, there is no "clearly he's biracial", he doesn't talk about it, it's a non-issue. People act like they haven't seen a black person with light eyes and light brown skin. Vanessa Williams was lighter than Phil and had light eyes, and both her parents are black...
Let's just leave it be...dude's mom and stepfather are black. They support him.
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wiggs, there is no "clearly he's biracial", he doesn't talk about it, it's a non-issue. People act like they haven't seen a black person with light eyes and light brown skin. Vanessa Williams was lighter than Phil and had light eyes, and both her parents are black...
Let's just leave it be...dude's mom and stepfather are black. They support him.
Not that it matters but both her parents are half black and half white. He is bi-racial.
It doesn't matter to me cause if he IDs himself as a brotha, then he's a brotha in my book. I don't look at him any different than I would Ronnie.
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=323720.0;attach=362360;image)
Who gives a rat's ass what colour he is - that is one awesome picture right there.
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he's clearly black
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if Phil is half "black" and half "white" why is he considered "black"?
when people call him "black" do they refer to the colour of his skin or his "race"?
black and white are irrelevant and people should be defined by more than their skin colour
there is only one "race" - the human race
Because when the police pull his black ass him over on the freeway or the boulevard, all they see is a guy Black man, not some hazy, ambiguous "biracial" person. ::)
America has always defined a person racially by how they look (ie., facial features, hair texture, skin tone) and whether you have any African ancestry. Phil Heath knows this, president Obama knows this, Halle Berry knows this, Vanessa Williams knows this, etc. That is why they all consider themselves Black. Obama has joked about there being no doubt that he is Black when trying to catch a cab in New York City. lol
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Not that it matters but both her parents are half black and half white. He is bi-racial.
It doesn't matter to me cause if he IDs himself as a brotha, then he's a brotha in my book. I don't look at him any different than I would Ronnie.
Wiggs you know that bi-racial is a polite or PC term for Mulatto? Of course it cam be applied to the half black half Asian (Blasian) or half Asian half white, but typically it came about as a PC term for Mulatto. Because mofos want to tip-toe around the black issue.
He has no choice but to ID himself as black, can you imagine him shakin hands with a black man and the person saying, "What's going on, my brotha?" and Phil says, "Im not black..."
I don't know what white folks obsession with "blackness" and such is. It's like what Josephine Baker said, "White people's imaginations run wild when it comes to Negroes"
Every fucking day, I have to come on to getbig and be reminded that I'm black, or a black man did this or that. And it is usually white folks that always put it up.
Maybe it's subconsciously done because the the sport is dominated by black guys, and the fanbase is dominated by insecure young white men (same fan base as MMA).
Let me or you put up some thread talking about what the white man did today (start a war, throwing HIV infected needles in the water, etc). Shit wouldn't last at all.
At the end of the day, Phil is black man with a bald head, a wide nose, full lips and light eyes. We can either look at that and judge him or look at the man's guns and use that for motivation to train.
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Good post Parker....I agree with you 100%. Trust me no matter how free thinking I am or what other races I have in me....I never forget or will never be left to forget that I'm black....Not that there's anything wrong with that 8)
I always thought bi-racial just meant you had more than one race. Anyway, I'm not arguing with you about that. Bottom line is like you said. He gets treated like he's black....He's black. 8)
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Wiggs you know that bi-racial is a polite or PC term for Mulatto? Of course it cam be applied to the half black half Asian (Blasian) or half Asian half white, but typically it came about as a PC term for Mulatto. Because mofos want to tip-toe around the black issue.
He has no choice but to ID himself as black, can you imagine him shakin hands with a black man and the person saying, "What's going on, my brotha?" and Phil says, "Im not black..."
I don't know what white folks obsession with "blackness" and such is. It's like what Josephine Baker said, "White people's imaginations run wild when it comes to Negroes"
Every fucking day, I have to come on to getbig and be reminded that I'm black, or a black man did this or that. And it is usually white folks that always put it up.
Maybe it's subconsciously done because the the sport is dominated by black guys, and the fanbase is dominated by insecure young white men (same fan base as MMA).
Let me or you put up some thread talking about what the white man did today (start a war, throwing HIV infected needles in the water, etc). Shit wouldn't last at all.
At the end of the day, Phil is black man with a bald head, a wide nose, full lips and light eyes. We can either look at that and judge him or look at the man's guns and use that for motivation to train.
good job ;)
You have a lot more time and patience to explain this type of shit then I do, Parker.
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I don't know what white folks obsession with "blackness" and such is. It's like what Josephine Baker said, "White people's imaginations run wild when it comes to Negroes"
;D
LMAO
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if Phil is half "black" and half "white" why is he considered "black"?
when people call him "black" do they refer to the colour of his skin or his "race"?
black and white are irrelevant and people should be defined by more than their skin colour
there is only one "race" - the human race
According to Michael Jackson it don't matter if......
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;D
LMAO
Sadly, it's from insecurity, that's all I can say.
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Sadly, it's from insecurity, that's all I can say.
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good job ;)
You have a lot more time and patience to explain this type of shit then I do, Parker.
Thanks, I do have too much time and patience... In fact, it's running quite thin.
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I can't wait until were all mixed, so we can go back to fighting about things like who got the most candy on halloween ;D
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almost all colonial societies developed the third race category, i.e "mulato". They were the bridge between whites and blacks, or more generally european and indigenous. Americans never did because africans never had any rights/power so you did not need bridges.
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I wonder how the world would be if europeans wouldn't have traded and bartered with Africans to sell their people into slavery. Sports damn sure wouldn't be where they are now.
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I can't wait until were all mixed, so we can go back to fighting about things like who got the most candy on halloween ;D
Wont happen. Even Brazil has it's problems, and they are more mixed than we are. Just because people mix in the bedroom doesn't mean things change in the living room or the boardroom. Especially with the low standards of Americans now on who they have children with. A tan utopia is a dream, because after racism, then there is "colorism", whose lighter, darker, etc.
Slate, you are going by the Portuguese system, where you were a lil mote lenient. In American, your ass was either black or white in colonial America, no middle ground.
Apparently mulato can can be traced back to he word "mule", being that a mule is combo of a horse and a donkey.
Then you have Zambos, which are black and indian, etc.
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if Phil is half "black" and half "white" why is he considered "black"?
when people call him "black" do they refer to the colour of his skin or his "race"?
black and white are irrelevant and people should be defined by more than their skin colour
there is only one "race" - the human race
b/c he resides here in the states.
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Phil is a BLACK man. 8)
Of course anyone who is Caribbean or 'African American' will have some white ancestry, but I'm pretty sure both his parents are 'black'.
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You have to remember, white genes are recessive, over time race mixing will lead to some features being no longer existant or atleast no longer visible. However black curly hair and brown eyes will always be around. Red hair, blonde hair and blue eyes are the most recessive genes, and even green is recessive to brown.
Why is it seen as racist to want to preserve your features... pale skin, fair hair and light eyes. Im pretty sure im carrying two recessive genes however only one is really visible, i have 2/2 blue eye genes and 1 red/1 brown hair gene. So my hair is visibly 90% brown and 10% red.. i guess if i had children with somone who also had a red hair gene there would be a 25% chance to end up with fullblown ginger kids.
:D lol
Also there are alot of black supremacists who value the darkest skin color and hair color as the african ideal and say mixing with whites is fucking up their heritage. They are not called racist so why am I.
Big poppa J there is more to racial differences than skin color. Our facial feature, nose/cheekbones etc. are generally very differen't. Also some people theorize that our skulls differ and the average size/shape is differen't for both groups, Black people's bones are thicker and heavier, we know this, and it's why they are not good at swimming.
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Wont happen. Even Brazil has it's problems, and they are more mixed than we are. Just because people mix in the bedroom doesn't mean things change in the living room or the boardroom. Especially with the low standards of Americans now on who they have children with. A tan utopia is a dream, because after racism, then there is "colorism", whose lighter, darker, etc.
Slate, you are going by the Portuguese system, where you were a lil mote lenient. In American, your ass was either black or white in colonial America, no middle ground.
Apparently mulato can can be traced back to he word "mule", being that a mule is combo of a horse and a donkey.
Then you have Zambos, which are black and indian, etc.
Hey, Parker. If you really want an end-user certificate for racism just look to India. These guys decided that a colour gradient just wasn't good enough, so they started a 'caste system' to add a class system to such an exclusionary mix. People are shitty. What are ya gonna do? :)
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You have to remember, white genes are recessive, over time race mixing will lead to some features being no longer existant or atleast no longer visible. However black curly hair and brown eyes will always be around.
method
the genes that define our outside characteristics are a very very small part of our genome (genotype), which happens in some characteristics to follow the simplistic mendelian genetics of dominant vs recessive genes. In reality a mixed X race and Y race person is truly mixed race. The concept of Mendelian genetics of dominant and recessive genes is so simplistic as to be useless in the great majority of characteristics (phenotypes) because they are the product of the interaction of 1000s of genes and there is no simple mendelian dom/recessive concept in these cases (yes it is still mostly true in simple phenotypes like eye colour or some weird genetic diseases but overall it is meaningless
the truth is that this is all mostly cultural. in US you can be 3/4 white and still be classfied as afro-american. that only makes sense in the "drop of blood" paradigm. I mean if you are a white supremacist then you must think very lowly of your genes if it only takes a drop to make you non-white. And in any case unless ur are a creationinst u should know where your 40K years ago ancestors came from- clue it was not the artic pole
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mendal genetics at its' finest. :)
I think you meant to post that last photo at bears of san francisco, shitstain.
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Racism cuts both ways
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I think you meant to post that last photo at bears of san francisco, shitstain.
thanks gimmick. 144 posts and like u matter. :)
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well, well, well...as usual...parker has the best commentary but that's to be expect. i'll stay away from this one cause chaos will be after my ass...saying i'm pushing blk "real hard". hey chaos...i like u more than disturbed.
anyway...outside NA...there are a wealth of terms which parker probably knows most of them from his research and i've listed before. hence...you will pretty much here people say "brown people". mulatto is a hard one...parker...cause in history it has alot of sexual overtones to it. even your beloved brasilians dont like it so they came up with 150 categories to over 60% of the pop. it's just a thing to insure you are not at the bottom of the pyramid so to speak with some brownie people like "seal" ending up at the bottom of the social latter.
in short...it really comes down to features which the one drop usually insures you will carry some phenotype that expresses afri vs say white, latin, etc. hence my mother (the charlie sheen n family - white mexicans)'s side of the family cant pass for black but easily for white probably carry that 10% afri blood theory, my sisters are pretty much olive bonitas (roselyn sanchez types) n almost impossible call in public to call blk...and i'm the 1/4 of the genetic square who cares my fathers (seal (singer) type cuban) features but can still be mistaken for a mexican >:(.
for the last time on getdumb...just a bit of the family...me, mom (right) and a sis (left)
btw...i have a cousins who are half japanese. again 5 look asian but one looks complete blk...no asian features.
mendal genetics at its' finest. :)
Did someone say Roselyn Sanchez???? ;D :D
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Wiggs you know that bi-racial is a polite or PC term for Mulatto? Of course it cam be applied to the half black half Asian (Blasian) or half Asian half white, but typically it came about as a PC term for Mulatto. Because mofos want to tip-toe around the black issue.
He has no choice but to ID himself as black, can you imagine him shakin hands with a black man and the person saying, "What's going on, my brotha?" and Phil says, "Im not black..."
I don't know what white folks obsession with "blackness" and such is. It's like what Josephine Baker said, "White people's imaginations run wild when it comes to Negroes"
Every fucking day, I have to come on to getbig and be reminded that I'm black, or a black man did this or that. And it is usually white folks that always put it up.
Maybe it's subconsciously done because the the sport is dominated by black guys, and the fanbase is dominated by insecure young white men (same fan base as MMA).
Let me or you put up some thread talking about what the white man did today (start a war, throwing HIV infected needles in the water, etc). Shit wouldn't last at all.
At the end of the day, Phil is black man with a bald head, a wide nose, full lips and light eyes. We can either look at that and judge him or look at the man's guns and use that for motivation to train.
Whites don't have an obsession with blackness, black people do. How many young black men are pressured into accepting a particular type of life style, one which is often nonproductive and detrimental to their personal growth and professional success, because some black person has defined such behavior as being considered true blackness. Intellectualism is the first casualty of that type of mentality. Anti-intellectualism or pseudo-intellectualism is rampant in the black community. To be an intelligent, well read, responsible member of society is consider being white or weak.
My brothers wife is black and when his sons were born the pressure from the black community to erase my brothers heritage was strong. When his oldest boy was born, the nurse actually came up to my brother and gave him a speech about how he should list the race of the child and black. Oddly enough, if you saw the boys you wouldn't even consider them to be black but a Hispanic/White mix.
As for why whites talk about what black people do is simple; they are tired of the hypocrisy adn being blame for the problems within their own community. Let me be clear, I am as liberal as they come and not some redneck racist. You might also be surprised to know that I grew up in the predominately black neighborhood of Pontiac MI.
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Whites don't have an obsession with blackness, black people do. How many young black men are pressured into accepting a particular type of life style, one which is often nonproductive and detrimental to their personal growth and professional success, because some black person has defined such behavior as being considered true blackness. Intellectualism is the first casualty of that type of mentality. Anti-intellectualism or pseudo-intellectualism is rampant in the black community. To be an intelligent, well read, responsible member of society is consider being white or weak.
My brothers wife is black and when his sons were born the pressure from the black community to erase my brothers heritage was strong. When his oldest boy was born, the nurse actually came up to my brother and gave him a speech about how he should list the race of the child and black. Oddly enough, if you saw the boys you wouldn't even consider them to be black but a Hispanic/White mix.
As for why whites talk about what black people do is simple; they are tired of the hypocrisy adn being blame for the problems within their own community. Let me be clear, I am as liberal as they come and not some redneck racist. You might also be surprised to know that I grew up in the predominately black neighborhood of Pontiac MI.
there are clues that distinguish.
(http://blackhippychick.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/soledad-1.jpg)
forget mom in the picture just for a moment. look at soledad's hair line. that's afri hair...as they would. that's how we can get past skin color and pick up a little feature in the crowd that says afro. no racial...chaos. :)
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Wiggs you know that bi-racial is a polite or PC term for Mulatto? Of course it cam be applied to the half black half Asian (Blasian) or half Asian half white, but typically it came about as a PC term for Mulatto. Because mofos want to tip-toe around the black issue.
He has no choice but to ID himself as black, can you imagine him shakin hands with a black man and the person saying, "What's going on, my brotha?" and Phil says, "Im not black..."
I don't know what white folks obsession with "blackness" and such is. It's like what Josephine Baker said, "White people's imaginations run wild when it comes to Negroes"
Every fucking day, I have to come on to getbig and be reminded that I'm black, or a black man did this or that. And it is usually white folks that always put it up.
Maybe it's subconsciously done because the the sport is dominated by black guys, and the fanbase is dominated by insecure young white men (same fan base as MMA).
Let me or you put up some thread talking about what the white man did today (start a war, throwing HIV infected needles in the water, etc). Shit wouldn't last at all.
At the end of the day, Phil is black man with a bald head, a wide nose, full lips and light eyes. We can either look at that and judge him or look at the man's guns and use that for motivation to train.
LOL, says the guy who writes multiple paragraph posts about the "white man" and the "black man" EVERY SINGLE DAY..... ::)
Every time a racial type topic is made I am almost assured "Parker" and G Thang" are on there bitching about something.
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LOL, says the guy who writes multiple paragraph posts about the "white man" and the "black man" EVERY SINGLE DAY..... ::)
Every time a racial type topic is made I am almost assured "Parker" and G Thang" are on there bitching about something.
it's amazing how people only see what they want too...isnt it? i got more post in the nordic, brasil and fine dime piece tranny threads than anything. go and count...clown. u been following around this board...havent you?
next time you make a statement...stupid...go and count the posts under various topics I reply too.
That's not Good...Son...Not Good!
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LOL, says the guy who writes multiple paragraph posts about the "white man" and the "black man" EVERY SINGLE DAY..... ::)
Every time a racial type topic is made I am almost assured "Parker" and G Thang" are on there bitching about something.
So true, but I respect Parker, however, G Thang, that's a different story. He's only good at contributing pics of south american chicks.
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LOL, says the guy who writes multiple paragraph posts about the "white man" and the "black man" EVERY SINGLE DAY..... ::)
Every time a racial type topic is made I am almost assured "Parker" and G Thang" are on there bitching about something.
Poly, read the last paragraph, and your own, if their is a racial topic, who starts it? And what do people say in it? Gee, wonder why I'm in it?
Archer77, if you understand the history of "passing", maybe you might understand what that nurse was saying and others. Becaus a lot of times, black people, especially black women will marry white men to have lighter kids, hoping the kids can pass. I not saying that is the case with your brother and his wife, because I don't know them. Or you have issues later on where the kid doesn't know Jack about who he is, and black folk will tell him. You may not think he looks black, but black folk know oher black folk. There are things Jewish people will tell their own, Chinese, etc. And black people are noo different. There are some things you won't understand, nor your brother. Like black hair care and the like.
But, you also have a thing where, kids will act the opposite of what you want them not to be, a mixed light skinned kid may associate more with the "thug culture", because moms and pops want a proper son, not a "black" son. Get it? I have many many kids in my family on both sides, all of them were raise with the notion that they are black, no matter how light or how "pretty" their hair is.
You know what happens to the kids who don't get raised that way? They think that they are better than because they are lighter, until one day they have a epiphany, and somebody breaks that shit down to them, like on a GetBig board and calls them a racial slur.
Dr. Chimps, I've actually seen dolls that portray the Indian caste system.
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I learn something new from G_thang and Parker every week. With that said, me being white and automatically judged on my point of view due to my skin color. I can tell you blacks really do make a bigger deal about being black than what whites do. I have lived in multiple areas of the country and I have noticed this in most areas. Hell, white folks are really the only ones that have to be careful about what is pc and what isn't.
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LMAO
tell that to that idiot Flex Wheeler who keep saying "snow white" when talking about white dudes
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Clearly Phil is bi-racial.
Read here about the one-drop rule....It used to be an actual law.... :o Being as race sensitive as America is the "rule" kinda stuck. Now with America having as many bi-racial people as they do, the rule is starting to crumble.
By this rule all humans are Africans, given that humanity started there...
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By this rule all humans are Africans, given that humanity started there...
So be it, but why are most African countries way behind times????
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I learn something new from G_thang and Parker every week. With that said, me being white and automatically judged on my point of view due to my skin color. I can tell you blacks really do make a bigger deal about being black than what whites do. I have lived in multiple areas of the country and I have noticed this in most areas. Hell, white folks are really the only ones that have to be careful about what is pc and what isn't.
I had some very profound shit, but since I got a call on my Iphone that I m posting on, my sssikn expired, now I forgot what the he'll I wrote...motherf......
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So be it, but why are most African countries way behind times????
I don't know the answer. Maybe because the Sahara isolated them from most of the developments that took place in the Mediterranean and Arab world over centuries.
In recent times having really bad governments didn't help either...
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who cares what race he is
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who cares what race he is
Hmm. Good looking guy. Second coming of Ronnie!? ::)
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I don't know the answer. Maybe because the Sahara isolated them from most of the developments that took place in the Mediterranean and Arab world over centuries.
In recent times having really bad governments didn't help either...
How can you explain southern africa then?? They have seemed to develope into modern countries how come the others couldn't follow suite or develope since they have had since man was created???
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if Phil is half "black" and half "white" why is he considered "black"?
when people call him "black" do they refer to the colour of his skin or his "race"?
black and white are irrelevant and people should be defined by more than their skin colour
there is only one "race" - the human race
Wow, that's amazing that tens of thousands of years of evolution in drastically different climates had NO effect on anything whatsoever except for skin colour! Incredible...evolution applies to every organism in nature except for human beings.
What else does the Canadian Farces Forces teach you?
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what's up....bob?
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there is one human race...
divided into SPECIES... like with all animals...
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there is one human race...
divided into SPECIES... like with all animals...
there can only be one.
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I get asthma when I laugh hard.
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laugh hard for poster above ??? what the hell u got this saved on your hard drive for?
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I'd hate to see whats on every bloggers hard drive. :P
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What else does the Canadian Farces Forces teach you?
haha oh, Matt
you're precious
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there is one human race...
divided into SPECIES... like with all animals...
Actually, species subsumes race, just like genus subsumes species.
Different human races within the same species (Homo sapiens) is the equivalent of having different breeds of dogs under the same species (Canis familiaris).
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if Phil is half "black" and half "white" why is he considered "black"?
when people call him "black" do they refer to the colour of his skin or his "race"?
black and white are irrelevant and people should be defined by more than their skin colour
there is only one "race" - the human race
He's mixed black and white like me:)
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He's mixed black and white like me:)
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Most of "us" are "mixed", or do you mean a mulatto, like you? Then you maybe wrong wrong is your assumption.
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Why is it when someone is mixed black and white, that the black characteristics take over and are more dominate?. Is the black gene just overall stronger and better then the white gene? :P
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haha oh, Matt
you're precious
So evolution had no effect on any group level traits except for one single trait - skin colour? This is plausible to you?
Why is it when someone is mixed black and white, that the black characteristics take over and are more dominate?. Is the black gene just overall stronger and better then the white gene? :P
Black physical traits are dominant. Other traits are intermediary and show an even split.
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Why is it when someone is mixed black and white, that the black characteristics take over and are more dominate?. Is the black gene just overall stronger and better then the white gene? :P
Matt, you should be smarter to know that this is not always true. It depends, I've seen people that could pass for white...But yes, black traits "tend" to be dominant...
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Matt, you should be smarter to know that this is not always true. It depends, I've seen people that could pass for white...But yes, black traits "tend" to be dominant...
Well iv seen dudes that are mixed, and have white skin, but its off white, and their hair is a bit frizzy not straight, and you can just tell they look black. I have never seen a mixed dude and mistaken him for being just white when he was actually mixed black and white, same goes for chicks you can just tell.
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Race doesn't exist...oh, except when we need to figure out who should pay reparations to blacks and Jews, then race magically exists and I am guilty because of the colour of my skin...oh, but you should never judge people based on the colour of their skin!
Epic logically consistent political agenda. ::)
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would you call her black or white?
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Matt, you should be smarter to know that this is not always true. It depends, I've seen people that could pass for white...But yes, black traits "tend" to be dominant...
must be those dominant traits at work :D
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would you call her black or white?
(http://www.carefair.com/data/uploads/istock_000002848589_l.jpg)
latin/blk mix - asian could be exchanged with the one of them
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Well iv seen dudes that are mixed, and have white skin, but its off white, and their hair is a bit frizzy not straight, and you can just tell they look black. I have never seen a mixed dude and mistaken him for being just white when he was actually mixed black and white, same goes for chicks you can just tell.
Because black folk can tell one another ;)
Matt C, paying reperations to blacks doesn't work, won't work, and should have been done way back, not now.
you are not guilty because of you skin, but because of your thoughts, thoughts lead to actions, action turn into policies. You don't speak out on the policies that keep you on top or you benefit from, yet deman those who don't benefit from them.
Here is a question, If I am thought of as inferior, what is the point in living then?
G, I call her wifey if i had her number ;)
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Here is a question, If I am thought of as inferior, what is the point in living then?
Lebensunwertes Leben
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Do i look white lol! NO so people just call me black, or ni^^er if they're racist! >:(
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Life needs inferiority to have superiority
No use in being superior if there is no inferior
Lesser societal roles end up being filled by the inferior anyhow...
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Life needs inferiority to have superiority
No use in being superior if there is no inferior
Lesser societal roles end up being filled by the inferior anyhow...
Okay...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_unworthy_of_life (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_unworthy_of_life)
I've always felt, that if i am suppose to be inferior, then I should off myself, but I have never felt that I was inferior...
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Okay...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_unworthy_of_life (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_unworthy_of_life)
I've always felt, that if i am suppose to be inferior, then I should off myself, but I have never felt that I was inferior...
Work sets man free :)
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I just feel happy to walk down the street and be in any country and not be hated and looked down upon. The light blue eyes does wonders ;D
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I just feel happy to walk down the street and be in any country and not be hated and looked down upon. The light blue eyes does wonders ;D
lol go to Compton and see if you last 5 min by yourself at night! ::)
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lol go to Compton and see if you last 5 min by yourself at night! ::)
I've been to Compton and it was at night, lived in LA for sometime, and still go back freq. Also Compton isn't what it use to be, more mexicans than blacks imo. Plus they will hose your ass since you're neither white or black ;)
But thanks for asking!
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I've always felt, that if i am suppose to be inferior
Why should you? Your worth as an individual is what matters and supersedes the collective's perception of your supposed worth based on your race, which is false.
Nothing wrong with being proud of who or what you are, but it is just as dumb to have empty pride based on the reflected glory of the achievements of others in your race when you've accomplished nothing yourself (Method101), as it is to feel inferior based on generic shortcomings of others in your own race.
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How can you explain southern africa then?? They have seemed to develope into modern countries how come the others couldn't follow suite or develope since they have had since man was created???
Have they ? Some place in West Africa looked more developed to me than many places in Southern Africa when I visited.
And if you're referring to (white) South Africa, it is the same story as the Americas, where technology got introduced by settlers. Without European settlers America would look much different.
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I've been to Compton and it was at night, lived in LA for sometime, and still go back freq. Also Compton isn't what it use to be, more mexicans than blacks imo. Plus they will hose your ass since you're neither white or black ;)
But thanks for asking!
LOL
American Me
(http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii60/dumbass_baby/MEXICAN_MAFIA.jpg)
btw...anyboy notice edward's PR wife.
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I just feel happy to walk down the street and be in any country and not be hated and looked down upon. The light blue eyes does wonders ;D
Im happy to be able to be in a country that allows us to express our viewpoints, no matter how effed up they are...
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Why should you? Your worth as an individual is what matters and supersedes the collective's perception of your supposed worth based on your race, which is false.
Nothing wrong with being proud of who or what you are, but it is just as dumb to have empty pride based on the reflected glory of the achievements of others in your race when you've accomplished nothing yourself (Method101), as it is to feel inferior based on generic shortcomings of others in your own race.
You won't be saying that when he leads the whites to victory in the upcoming race war...
or finally gets moved off the fryers at McD's.
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Phil got the width!
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Im happy to be able to be in a country that allows us to express our viewpoints, no matter how effed up they are...
True, skin color don't make jack shit to me, individual accomplishments and success are more important. You can be proud of your race, but like others have said it all comes down to "you." I never understood why people get caught up on so and so, this and that. Must suck going through life full of "hate." White, Black, Yellow, and Brown, it's all the same to me.
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True, skin color don't make jack shit to me, individual accomplishments and success are more important. You can be proud of your race, but like others have said it all comes down to "you." I never understood why people get caught up on so and so, this and that. Must suck going through life full of "hate." White, Black, Yellow, and Brown, it's all the same to me.
Well, one could say that our school systems and society (our parents) don't teach us that. I don't like black people (especially black men) blaming the white man for them not being able to hold a job or to get one (take a look your criminal record or that chip on your shoulder), but at work there is still a double standard, the "three black people standing and talking" rule---if three or more than two black people are standing around talking then it will cause attention.
I don'l like the fact that someone like mean might have to dress up to go look at a house or for a loan, just to look like "I can afford it", whereas a white couple can look like bums. Or how I can be told, "sorry we don't have lay away", when one is wearing Air Force 1's on one's day off, and never ask about Lay Away, I've never done that shit.
There are issues, but fuck it, that is life, so you roll with the punches, like a 92 Camaro rolling with a 5.0 Mustang ;D
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Wentworth Miller is half black/half white and he looks like a white man to me.
(http://youllgrowtoloveme.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/1436119560_8db1fc3bd7_o.jpg)
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I am not racist and I watch The Cosby Show.
Having said that, I do believe that race exists as a genuine biological construct affecting traits other than solely skin colour.
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Wentworth Miller is half black/half white and he looks like a white man to me.
(http://youllgrowtoloveme.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/1436119560_8db1fc3bd7_o.jpg)
Didn't know that. He could "pass", and possibly does.
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Derek Jeter
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Harold Ford Jr.
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Jason Kidd
(http://www.everyjoe.com/nbaobsessed/files/2008/02/jason-kidd-ii.jpg)
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Didn't know that. He could "pass", and possibly does.
Never knew.
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Never knew.
here are more, a shitload...I did know Tia/Tamara of Sister Sister were either
http://www.blackflix.com/articles/multiracial.html (http://www.blackflix.com/articles/multiracial.html)
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Wentworth Miller is half black/half white and he looks like a white man to me.
(http://youllgrowtoloveme.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/1436119560_8db1fc3bd7_o.jpg)
read an article about him being half. jennifer beal did it to get flashdance role. after stardom...just came out.
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nurses at hosp didnt want to give victoria her daught, said it was a mix up. :-\
everybody else in list is dead giveaway (no shalamar)
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nurses at hosp didnt want to give victoria her daught, said it was a mix up. :-\
everybody else in list is dead giveaway (no shalamar)
i always like Vickie, too bad the only Vickie I'll ever see are Secrets
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Wentworth Miller is half black/half white and he looks like a white man to me.
(http://youllgrowtoloveme.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/1436119560_8db1fc3bd7_o.jpg)
he is NOT half black.
he does howver have some Jamaican ancestry.
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I am not racist and I watch The Cosby Show.
Having said that, I do believe that race exists as a genuine biological construct affecting traits other than solely skin colour.
well as u watch the cosby show....u couldnt POSSIBLY be a racist!! ::)
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Derek Jeter
(http://images.starpulse.com/pictures/2007/11/11/previews/Derek%20Jeter-BLP-000079.jpg)
Harold Ford Jr.
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Jason Kidd
(http://www.everyjoe.com/nbaobsessed/files/2008/02/jason-kidd-ii.jpg)
Cool, thats some half-white half-black people with more a more white look.
Not often seen!
Is wentworth really half-black? Who could have guessed that?
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Cool, thats some half-white half-black people with more a more white look.
Not often seen!
Is wentworth really half-black? Who could have guessed that?
there was a role he played half-black. that's the confusion but some blk.
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the black agenda
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Kwon, Jason Kidd got that "old man look" to him...
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Well, so many people are mixed these days so sometimes it's hard to tell where people are from or what background they have.
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Kwon, Jason Kidd got that "old man look" to him...
maybe he should get skin rejuvenation like sammie sosa. ops...he dont need it, got taken care of at birth. lord...i love dominicans. not...i love
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this wifey material...parker...not that loon. :)
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Rashida Jones :o
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Porchla Coleman :o
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Porchla Coleman :o
(http://bossip.files.wordpress.com/russellsimmonsporschlacoleman2.JPG)
(http://guestofaguest.com/wp-content/uploads/wppa/porschla-coleman.jpg)
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She is fine as hell, but i swear Russell Simmons got a serious issue upstairs in the head...
G' i hear you ;)
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Very nice
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:o
is there something wrong with this picture? it's like the daughter trying help the father find shore cause he got disoriented in the water. this is so wrong. :-\
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is there something wrong with this picture? it's like the daughter trying help the father find shore cause he got disoriented in the water. this is so wrong. :-\
His money makes it soo right...Now can you a imagine a 45-50 yr old out of shape, broke bald black man with a speech impediment stepping to woman like that? No it doesn't happen...But his money got him Kimora Lee Simmons and this chic...and the chicks keep getting younger as he gets older..
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Have they ? Some place in West Africa looked more developed to me than many places in Southern Africa when I visited.
And if you're referring to (white) South Africa, it is the same story as the Americas, where technology got introduced by settlers. Without European settlers America would look much different.
South Africa got the cream
of Dutch, French, German and
later on British settlers, coupled
with rich mineral and other resources
it was a recipe for success.
BTW, when the Dutch first
arrived here in 1652, there
were already what they called
"coloured" people. They were
called strandlopers (beach walkers)
The apartheid government recognised
them as a seperate race, black, white
and coloureds.
These coloured people can also be divided
into further groups based on location,
like the Boesman or San from the Kalahari
and the Griekwa's in the Northern Cape.
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South Africa got the cream
of Dutch, French, German and
later on British settlers, coupled
with rich mineral and other resources
it was a recipe for success.
BTW, when the Dutch first
arrived here in 1652, there
were already what they called
"coloured" people. They were
called strandlopers (beach walkers)
The apartheid government recognised
them as a seperate race, black, white
and coloureds.
These coloured people can also be divided
into further groups based on location,
like the Boesman or San from the Kalahari
and the Griekwa's in the Northern Cape.
I knew a bloke from SA who referred to himself as a "Cape Coloured".
All round chilled out dude. Couldn't speed march for shit, though.
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Yep, that's them.
Much like the native
Injuns in the Unites States
in America and the Abbo's
down under, they have a
propensity towards alcoholism.
Massive drug problems in the
Cape flats with what they call
tik, some sort of meth they smoke.
This with a gangster culture is destroying
their community.
(http://totalfootballmadness.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/Stephen-Pienaar.jpg)
This is a coloured guy from
Saffa that plays foozeball
for Evertrons or some small
club in Yurp somewhere.
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His money makes it soo right...Now can you a imagine a 45-50 yr old out of shape, broke bald black man with a speech impediment stepping to woman like that? No it doesn't happen...But his money got him Kimora Lee Simmons and this chic...and the chicks keep getting younger as he gets older..
YEP.....and it's still fucked up....that shit disgusts me on both ends because here you have this gorgeous young woman letting some wrinkly old geezer fuck her just because he has a shitload of money. She really is no better than a whore, worse in some respects
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YEP.....and it's still fucked up....that shit disgusts me on both ends because here you have this gorgeous young woman letting some wrinkly old geezer fuck her just because he has a shitload of money. She really is no better than a whore, worse in some respects
It's way better for your health & happiness than a old woman without any sexdrive on your side.
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It's way better for your health & happiness than a old woman without any sexdrive on your side.
The man, Russell Simmons is like 45-50 yrs old and dresses like he is 22, this is not like Denzel or Wesley Snipes, there is a certain insecurity that is at play here.
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The man, Russell Simmons is like 45-50 yrs old and dresses like he is 22, this is not like Denzel or Wesley Snipes, there is a certain insecurity that is at play here.
I was more talking in general.
Judging from this picture I agree he shows insecurity. Once you're a rich bastard, not everyone could become a second Johnny Depp, Richard Gere or George Clooney :-\