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My glutes fat is stubburn :-\
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You look great Taka! How many % BF is this?
Thanx!
I dont have any idea. Paco always says that measuring BF is nonsence and you must look solid regardless of bf%.
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LOL, what are you gonna do these last few weeks to get the cuts in your quads? They are a bit behind, no?
Yes. You are right.
Telling the truth, i dont have a clear solution.
So,We dont expect super sharp cut in my quads.
Anyway, i just try to go down my bf during not losing the muscle fullness.
And when i reach under 75kg, i hope that my quads separation become clear.
But who knows? :-\
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On target kyomu nice job.
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On target kyomu nice job.
Thanx.
3weeksout is an undecided thing. Its not long nor short.
Its enough time to change more but not so long.
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LOL, what are you gonna do these last few weeks to get the cuts in your quads? They are a bit behind, no?
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kyomu what type of cardio are you doing? i think thats one reason for the leg cuts.
Also what rep ranges are you doing for legs?
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kyomu what type of cardio are you doing? i think thats one reason for the leg cuts.
Also what rep ranges are you doing for legs?
This time, no cardio at all.
Squat to the paralel.
Leg press also paralel.
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dale caņa taka
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This time, no cardio at all.
Ok before this week what type of cardio did you do?
Squat to the paralel.
Leg press also paralel.
Do you know what are rep ranges? ;D :D
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Maybe a suggestion, just do extensions, lunges and leg bicep exercise for legs at this point just "defining exercises". Your legs are full already and overshadow the upper body a bit. 8)
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Ok before this week what type of cardio did you do?Do you know what are rep ranges? ;D :D
Nothing from the beginning of prep.
Of sorry. :-[
squat 20-15-10-6
Hack 10-15
Leg press 20-25
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Maybe a suggestion, just do extensions, lunges and leg bicep exercise for legs at this point just "defining exercises". Your legs are full already and overshadow the upper body a bit. 8)
Mmmm. good point.
I will talk about it with Paco today.
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This time, no cardio at all.
Squat to the paralel.
Leg press also paralel.
cardio on the bike if you want cuts on your legs. Its genetics yes, but it does make a difference..
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cardio on the bike if you want cuts on your legs. Its genetics yes, but it does make a difference..
Before, I was a cardio maniac. And the things went way worse than now.
So I dont do it anymore.
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Upper body looks very good, back detail is showing also. Strange thing is you always showed good quads at a higher wait, one would expect to see more details in quads now that your diet is that advanced.
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Upper body looks very good, back detail is showing also. Strange thing is you always showed good quads at a higher wait, one would expect to see more details in quads now that your diet is that advanced.
Looks like my physique store more fat in lower parts during my mid seccion dont.
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Nothing from the beginning of prep.
Of sorry. :-[
squat 20-15-10-6
Hack 10-15
Leg press 20-25
Good ranges i woud sugest some hiit for the legs cuts but now its too late maybe in the next prep you will find out how to cut them like the upper body.
Good luck.
So what I did was keep his calories the same and increased his high intensity interval cardio almost by double for several reasons, 1) high intensity cardio has been shown to be better than moderate/low intensity cardio in targeting lower body fat; probably due to the sympathetic nervous system response & adrenaline release. 2) high intensity cardio increases mitochondrial density in the area worked, thus yielding a greater fat burning capacity in that area. So that's what we did... 6 weeks later he's 192 with striated glutes & hamstrings and we didn't ever take his carbs below 200 except for the last 2 weeks.
Keep in mind for the next contest prep ;)
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Keep in mind for the next contest prep ;)
This is very interesting info. :D
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Take a teaspoon of salt before hitting the stage to avoid cramping
It won't affect water retention at all
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do you have any cheat meals or high carb days kyomu?
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i see no lunges in the routine,i think they help alot,and agree with the cardio at least few wks ago 2/3 sessions a wk,just a low impact pace.u were eating enough protein to not lose 2 much muscle,was it because of the low carbs u thought no cardio was needed?
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Looking awesome 8)
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Take a teaspoon of salt before hitting the stage to avoid cramping
It won't affect water retention at all
Woa. But that too much no?
I wont cut that much water.
I prefer going down 2kg more to squeez my physique in these 2 weeks.
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do you have any cheat meals or high carb days kyomu?
Nah. Especialy at this stage.
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i see no lunges in the routine,i think they help alot,and agree with the cardio at least few wks ago 2/3 sessions a wk,just a low impact pace.u were eating enough protein to not lose 2 much muscle,was it because of the low carbs u thought no cardio was needed?
The reason why i didnt do cardio was two reason.
1, since the speed of cutting up was right, i didnt feel it necessaly.
2, the natural bber should avoid being exhausted. So I am quite feel strong and my power is almost same as off season.
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Just taken now.
Starting getting shredded.....
No pump
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Just taken now.
Starting getting shredded.....
LMAO I see you cut more pine out?
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LMAO I see you cut more pine out?
Here, 10:46pm
I was really starving and i took my shirts off and hell..... I took my pic in my factory.
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Here, 10:46pm
I was really starving and i took my shirts off and hell..... I took my pic in my factory.
Actually good pic, elephant ass women will like it.
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Actually good pic, elephant ass women will like it.
Mmmm, honestly, they dont like hard look.
They do like 6 pax but not a hard look.
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heh
(http://www.essentialchocolate.com/images/homepage/COFFEE%20CHOCOLATE%20DREAM%20WITH%20SLICEh.jpg)
(http://outlandinstitute.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/cheesecake.jpg)
have fun eating dry chicken ;D
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heh
have fun eating dry chicken ;D
Telling the truth in 3 weeksout, there is no temptation at all.
Only a girl i am really into now. Thats it.
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Telling the truth in 3 weeksout, there is no temptation at all.
Only a girl i am really into now. Thats it.
Will she be at the show?
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Will she be at the show?
Actualy, she dont have a elephant ass.
She has a great body and beautiful face.
She now comes to my factory and work with me in each weekend. And we eat together.
She has a trauma from her past experience and need a time to be with me.
So i dont force her.
She looks forward to watching me on stage.
So, I must do as possible as i can for the victory. I have to be her hero.
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Actualy, she dont have a elephant ass.
She has a great body and beautiful face.
She now comes to my factory and work with me in each weekend. And we eat together.
She has a trauma from her past experience and need a time to be with me.
So i dont force her.
She looks forward to watching me on stage.
So, I must do as possible as i can for the victory. I have to be her hero.
Nice, A heavy burden but you can do it.
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Just taken now.
Starting getting shredded.....
No pump
Kyomu you look great but too soft for 3 weeks out , something in your diet is not working (carbs perhaps )
Good luck anyways
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Just taken now.
Starting getting shredded.....
No pump
Look Awesome bro. :)
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Kyomu you look great but too soft for 3 weeks out , something in your diet is not working (carbs perhaps )
Good luck anyways
Thanks. Just I do what i can. Thats it.
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Nice, A heavy burden but you can do it.
Just trying to win whole fvckin things! ;D
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Thanks. Just I do what i can. Thats it.
cut out the fucking pine, its simple sugar. Who the fuck told to have pine in there.
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cut out the fucking pine, its simple sugar. Who the fuck told to have pine in there.
Do you really think that we are enough stupid not knowing what you say?
We have been in BBing for 20yrs.
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She has a great body and beautiful face.
can you prove it ;D
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can you prove it ;D
When we get together and she gives me a permission. I will up it here.
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Do you really think that we are enough stupid not knowing what you say?
We have been in BBing for 20yrs.
ok, what do i know.
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you're stringy and losing a shit load of muscle.
hope this helps.
^ i wrote this when you were 4 weeks out.
don't listen. each week you keep losing more size and getting stringier.
but wait, your natural right so i guess you figure it's normal for that to happen?
who cares how much weight your losing if its all muscle? on the day of your show, if you don't change what your doing, you're going to have the same bf% you have now and be down 5-7 pounds of muscle in the next 3 weeks- guaranteed.
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cut out the fucking pine, its simple sugar. Who the fuck told to have pine in there.
Agreed 100%.
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No big difference between complex carbs and sugar ... all boils down to glucose.
Only difference is the insulin spike which is higher with sugar and might give you cravings after a while.
Not relevant to fat loss if you stick to your diet. Complex carbs might make dieting easier but the fat loss is the same.. I like to have a bit of sugar even when dieting as it makes me look a bit fuller and not so depleted.
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No big difference between complex carbs and sugar ... all boils down to glucose.
Only difference is the insulin spike which is higher with sugar and might give you cravings after a while.
Not relevant to fat loss if you stick to your diet. Complex carbs might make dieting easier but the fat loss is the same.. I like to have a bit of sugar even when dieting as it makes me look a bit fuller and not so depleted.
::)
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A calorie is a calorie is a calorie...
If you just look at the macro-nutrients it does not matter if you take in all your carbs from pineapple or rice.
As I said it might give you cravings and you'll probably feel better with more complex carbs as the blood sugar levels are more stable but besides that ..
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A calorie is a calorie is a calorie...
If you just look at the macro-nutrients it does not matter if you take in all your carbs from pineapple or rice.
As I said it might give you cravings and you'll probably feel better with more complex carbs as the blood sugar levels are more stable but besides that ..
Dave is right.
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My glutes fat is stubburn :-\
Serious question: Are you gay kyomu?
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A calorie is a calorie is a calorie...
If you just look at the macro-nutrients it does not matter if you take in all your carbs from pineapple or rice.
As I said it might give you cravings and you'll probably feel better with more complex carbs as the blood sugar levels are more stable but besides that ..
Oh brother
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Oh brother
So basically what you're saying is " ::) " and "Oh brother" ... solid arguments right there.
Well I know that it works this way not only in theory but also in practice through first-hand experiences.
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So basically what you're saying is " ::) " and "Oh brother" ... solid arguments right there.
Well I know that it works this way not only in theory but also in practice through first-hand experiences.
If you think that 1000calories from white granulated sugar and 1000calories from sweet potato or rice are the same and they are going to have the same effect on your muscles ,there is nothing to argue about.
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So basically what you're saying is " ::) " and "Oh brother" ... solid arguments right there.
Well I know that it works this way not only in theory but also in practice through first-hand experiences.
I've got first hand experience too.
At my last competition, i used to eat a banana (simple carbs) every morning. 1 medium banana = 25 grms of carbs (simple carbs).
Now, at 9 weeks out, i figured out that i had to take that banana off my diet and... boom... im leaner than i was these weeks out from my previous contest.
Now imagine if kyomu, these last weeks which are very important, would take off that half pound of pine hes eating a day=70 simple carbs=useless
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When you're dieting down, specially as a natural (which means no T3/T4), everything has an impact. The glycemic index induced by the carbs you eat will have an impact on your water retention and you don't want your glycemia to be a rollercoaster which will make you lose muscle mass and get softer by holding water at the same time.
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If you think that 1000calories from white granulated sugar and 1000calories from sweet potato or rice are the same and they are going to have the same effect on your muscles ,there is nothing to argue about.
Ok micro-nutrients aside , where is the difference ? The human body breaks all carbs down to glucose which is then stored in your muscles and liver with the help of insulin.
The total amount of insulin needed to store the glucose is the same in both cases. The sugar will create a much higher insulin peak and blood sugar levels will drop faster of course. This can cause cravings and make you feel tired. Note that the amount of energy is the same though .. feeling tired does not automatically mean having less energy (talking about energy in a physical way)
I'm not saying that it's the best way to do it , all I'm saying is that it won't matter in terms of fat-loss or strength/muscle-wise. It might make it harder for you to stick to your diet .. but it can also make it easier. Instead of just eating plain rice you can just try eating fruits for example (which to me taste a lot better) and spread your meals out a bit. Will also make your blood sugar levels more stable.
What I also noticed is that if i get most of my carbs from simple sugars I tend to look "fuller" in comparison to the same amount of complex carbs.
My theory is that a high insulin peak will force your body to store a lot of the blood sugar in your muscles instead of just using your liver as storage.
Usually sugar is first stored in your liver and then in your muscles .. which is why it can be quite hard to carb-load in one day if you were completely depleted before. Takes a while..
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Water retention is the same no matter if the carbs are complex or not. 1 gram of sugar binds 4 grams of water in your body - no matter from what source the sugar comes.
Of course lowering your carb intake will make you look leaner , but my point is it does not matter from what source the carbs come from.
If you cut out 50g carbs from rice or 50g carbs from fruits - both will make you loose fat faster and loose some water to the same degree.
And what do you mean with "useless" carbs ? People tend to think that simple sugars can't be used as energy .. which is of course utter bullshit.
The body can store simple sugars just as long as it can store complex carbs... they are both stored as the same , no difference... in fact the body can't use complex carbs as energy straightaway .. it needs to break them down.
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Are you a natural bodybuilder Dave 19 ?
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Are you a natural bodybuilder Dave 19 ?
I am not , but of course I was at some point.
But this is universal no matter if you're natural or not .. not everything changes as soon as you hop on the juice ;)
Again I'm not saying that this is the best way to do it , hope you got my point.
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Water retention is the same no matter if the carbs are complex or not. 1 gram of sugar binds 4 grams of water in your body - no matter from what source the sugar comes.
Of course lowering your carb intake will make you look leaner , but my point is it does not matter from what source the carbs come from.
If you cut out 50g carbs from rice or 50g carbs from fruits - both will make you loose fat faster and loose some water to the same degree.
And what do you mean with "useless" carbs ? People tend to think that simple sugars can't be used as energy .. which is of course utter bullshit.
The body can store simple sugars just as long as it can store complex carbs... they are both stored as the same , no difference... in fact the body can't use complex carbs as energy straightaway .. it needs to break them down.
If I recall correctly, it's 2,6 grams of water for 1g of carb. What you're saying is not wrong at all, it's just incomplete. Having 50g of carbs, simple or complex, will differ with the GI those carbs induce. That's also why it's adviced to have a certain amount of fibers, so that you can control your glycemia. For someone dieting down "naturally", this is important.
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no matter if you're natural or not ..
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Yes it does.
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If I recall correctly, it's 2,6 grams of water for 1g of carb. What you're saying is not wrong at all, it's just incomplete. Having 50g of carbs, simple or complex, will differ with the GI those carbs induce. That's also why it's adviced to have a certain amount of fibers, so that you can control your glycemia. For someone dieting down "naturally", this is important.
Was not sure about the exact numbers , my fault. Of course you want to try keep your glycemia low during a diet - but 50g of carbs , complex or simple will always be broken down to the same amount of blood sugar. The GI just shows you how big the initial insulin spike is. The amount of insulin needed is always the same , no matter if 50g complex carbs or sugar. With complex carbs it means your blood sugar levels are just slightly raised but for a longer period of time will simple sugars will result in high blood sugar levels for a short amount of time. So same amount of blood sugar , same amount of insulin .. no difference in fat loss. And why is it different for naturals ? I don't get it .. it's not that these basic things change when you start using gear.
Btw. never tried anything like T3 or any other fatburners cause there's no need for them .. losing fat is simple.
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Woa. But that too much no?
I wont cut that much water.
I prefer going down 2kg more to squeez my physique in these 2 weeks.
why would you even cut water if you are natural
I'll say it again, you need to get in touch with Layne.
Seems like Paco doesn't know how to work with naturals, at least Layne understand how the body works
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Was not sure about the exact numbers , my fault. Of course you want to try keep your glycemia low during a diet - but 50g of carbs , complex or simple will always be broken down to the same amount of blood sugar. The GI just shows you how big the initial insulin spike is. The amount of insulin needed is always the same , no matter if 50g complex carbs or sugar. With complex carbs it means your blood sugar levels are just slightly raised but for a longer period of time will simple sugars will result in high blood sugar levels for a short amount of time. So same amount of blood sugar , same amount of insulin .. no difference in fat loss. And why is it different for naturals ? I don't get it .. it's not that these basic things change when you start using gear.
Btw. never tried anything like T3 or any other fatburners cause there's no need for them .. losing fat is simple.
I was not referring to the gear but to thyroid hormones, although gear does help you save LBM while dieting down, remember your test levels are also induced by the fat you eat and store (sterols). Of course, you will need the same amount of insulin but on a longer time frame. Which will also allow to stabilize your metabolism so to speak. Fro example, if dieting, you only have about 1800-2000 calories/day, with 35% of it being carbs, why not have it all at once then? Because your insulin will peak then you atually will go into hypoglycemia after a while, which is catabolic.
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why would you even cut water if you are natural
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Seems like Paco doesn't know how to work with naturals, at least Layne understand how the body works
Exactly
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I was not referring to the gear but to thyroid hormones, although gear does help you save LBM while dieting down, remember your test levels are also induced by the fat you eat and store (sterols). Of course, you will need the same amount of insulin but on a longer time frame. Which will also allow to stabilize your metabolism so to speak. Fro example, if dieting, you only have about 1800-2000 calories/day, with 35% of it being carbs, why not have it all at once then? Because your insulin will peak then you atually will go into hypoglycemia after a while, which is catabolic.
I completely agree with you on this. Gear helps to save LBM and it would be stupid to eat all your carbs at once - but in terms of fat loss it would not make a difference.
By the way I think cutting water is also important for natural bodybuilders. Of course they store less water than someone on gear but still they hold some water that you can get rid of without the use of chemicals.
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Sure, the weight loss comes from the calorie deficit. But if you lose too mcuh LBM, tour basic metabolism will go down which will make the calorie deificit even more difficult to reach. That's a vicious circle. And yes, naturals also need to cut water at one point, but not too soon as they don't rely on diuretics, if you cut drastically your water, you probably will have the opposite effect, your electrolyte balance will get fucked up and you'll retain whatever drop of water you drink. You need to cut it progressively and get enough to still store that glycogen.
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Sure, the weight loss comes from the calorie deficit. But if you lose too mcuh LBM, tour basic metabolism will go down which will make the calorie deificit even more difficult to reach. That's a vicious circle. And yes, naturals also need to cut water at one point, but not too soon as they don't rely on diuretics, if you cut drastically your water, you probably will have the opposite effect, your electrolyte balance will get fucked up and you'll retain whatever drop of water you drink. You need to cut it progressively and get enough to still store that glycogen.
good post.
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good post.
Add stana,prop and tren ace - 3 weeks ago
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Add stana,prop and tren ace - 3 weeks ago
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Add stana,prop and tren ace - 3 weeks ago
he has already, dont worry. ;)
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he has already, dont worry. ;)
Regardless of your insulting me with calling that i am a lier indirectly,
If I win or do good in those upcoming contests, i will prove myself of being drug free going to a doping rab.
Just I recommend you to quit self justification by accusing me as a drug user. Its very sad.
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why would you even cut water if you are natural
I'll say it again, you need to get in touch with Layne.
Seems like Paco doesn't know how to work with naturals, at least Layne understand how the body works
I agree. Layne would/could get Kyomu ripped to shreds. However, he might need to lose more weight than he wants to. Kyomu does not have any water retention in his quads. If the cuts don't show it's fat.
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I agree. Layne would/could get Kyomu ripped to shreds. However, he might need to lose more weight than he wants to. Kyomu does not have any water retention in his quads. If the cuts don't show it's fat.
You dont know shit and dont like that.
I am prepared to be 50kg if necessary.
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Regardless of your insulting me with calling that i am a lier indirectly,
If I win or do good in those upcoming contests, i will prove myself of being drug free going to a doping rab.
Just I recommend you to quit self justification by accusing me as a drug user. Its very sad.
Nowadays, cheating a drug test is a walk in the park.
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I agree. Layne would/could get Kyomu ripped to shreds. However, he might need to lose more weight than he wants to. Kyomu does not have any water retention in his quads. If the cuts don't show it's fat.
I think its genetic. My legs are ripped and veiny but my abs are blurry.
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Nowadays, cheating a drug test is a walk in the park.
Oh yeah, then why dont you work for IOC? MR EXPERT? ::)
I love bbing. But I dont die for it. Hope this help.
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You dont know shit and dont like that.
I am prepared to be 50kg if necessary.
I don't think you're completely honest here. You've talked about not wanting to lose "fullness." I don't think you're prepared to be 50kg, I doubt you're prepared to go to 65kg even. :D
I think its genetic. My legs are ripped and veiny but my abs are blurry.
To a certain extent. Some bodyparts may be ready earlier. But what's the solution? You just have to continue the diet, lose even more weight/fat.
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he has already, dont worry. ;)
yes, 77kg of pure steroid mass. Impossible to achieve naturally... ::) ::) ::)
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Nowadays, cheating a drug test is a walk in the park.
Oh yeah, then why dont you work for IOC? MR EXPERT? ::)
I love bbing. But I dont die for it. Hope this help.
I think you're both wrong. :D Kyomu thinks IOC test proves something. It doesn't. Meso thinks cheating is easy. It isn't. Hard to do steroids close to a test and pass. Very hard. But GH cannot be detected via urine and only for a few hours in blood. Kyomu might have dipped into Paco's GH stash... who's to say. :D Kyomu has said he would do G4P posing if the price is right and compared to that doing drugs is nothing. :D
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I don't think you're completely honest here. You've talked about not wanting to lose "fullness." I don't think you're prepared to be 50kg, I doubt you're prepared to go to 65kg even. :D
To a certain extent. Some bodyparts may be ready earlier. But what's the solution? You just have to continue the diet, lose even more weight/fat.
Your ego is just fragile as fvck and always you have to self justify yourself.
No matter how you say YOU ARE SMALLER AND SOFTER THAN ME FOREVER.
And I havent never seen your pic even once.
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If I recall correctly, Kyomu admitted doing a cycle years ago. So even if some might argue he's not natural, he's clean. I don"t see how that type of physique is unattainable naturally. I'm a 5,7 natural and have reached 180 pounds at a reasonable BF while only training for a bit more than a year. My guess is Kyomu is taller than me (which is not difficult) and has been training for years. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt easily. Some on this site claiming they're natural while they're obviously not don't get as much heat and even get their asses kissed on a regular basis by the same guys who flame on Kyomu.
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If I recall correctly, Kyomu admitted doing a cycle years ago. So even if some might argue he's not natural, he's clean. I don"t see how that type of physique is unattainable naturally. I'm a 5,7 natural and have reached 180 pounds at a reasonable BF while only training for a bit more than a year. My guess is Kyomu is taller than me (which is not difficult) and has been training for years. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt easily. Some on this site claiming they're natural while they're obviously not don't get as much heat and even get their asses kissed on a regular basis by the same guys who flame on Kyomu.
Yes 1993 one and last.
My height is 171cm. Maybe same as you.
Just many of these guys are razy fvckers who hasnt train hard in their life and for the self justification, they want me to be a regular drug user.
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yes, 77kg of pure steroid mass. Impossible to achieve naturally... ::) ::) ::)
post a pic champ
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post a pic champ
you too. ::)
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you too. ::)
I've never said your physique was achieveable without drugs.
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I've never said your physique was achieveable without drugs.
I hope you meant to say: "I've never said your physique was unachievable without drugs".
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Your ego is just fragile as fvck and always you have to self justify yourself.
No matter how you say YOU ARE SMALLER AND SOFTER THAN ME FOREVER.
And I havent never seen your pic even once.
Why do you take everything as a flame? See my first post in this thread. I just agreed with Stavios that Layne knows what he's talking about. Good grasp of physiology and has shown he can apply his knowledge on naturals and semi-naturals.
You have a good physique and good work ethic and discipline. But you are very touchy. Lower the tribulus dosage. :D
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post a pic champ
Oh boy, not this shit again.
Look, i have met kyomu in real life, he's natural.
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Oh boy, not this shit again.
Look, i have met kyomu in real life, he's natural.
Does he look impressive in real life?
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Your ego is just fragile as fvck and always you have to self justify yourself.
No matter how you say YOU ARE SMALLER AND SOFTER THAN ME FOREVER.
And I havent never seen your pic even once.
Why do you take everything as an insult ?
We are just giving you our opinion, naturals DO NOT hold water.
steroids can give you some bloat, but as natural you do not have that problem.
seriously, Paco doesn't know what to do with naturals.
When he diets, he can up the t3 anytime, up the clen, up the DNP, in a way that he won't even touch his diet from start to the day of the contest (or almost).
You can't do that so you need someone that understand your body instead of someone who will tell you that you "are holding water"
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Why do you take everything as an insult ?
We are just giving you our opinion, naturals DO NOT hold water.
steroids can give you some bloat, but as natural you do not have that problem.
seriously, Paco doesn't know what to do with naturals.
When he diets, he can up the t3 anytime, up the clen, up the DNP, in a way that he won't even touch his diet from start to the day of the contest (or almost).
You can't do that so you need someone that understand your body instead of someone who will tell you that you "are holding water"
and losing muscle.
and getting stringier.
and won't get any leaner, but instead just burn lean tissue.
you can stomp your feet and call everyone ' you smaller skinny fat forever' but stav is right.
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Why do you take everything as an insult ?
We are just giving you our opinion, naturals DO NOT hold water.
steroids can give you some bloat, but as natural you do not have that problem.
seriously, Paco doesn't know what to do with naturals.
When he diets, he can up the t3 anytime, up the clen, up the DNP, in a way that he won't even touch his diet from start to the day of the contest (or almost).
You can't do that so you need someone that understand your body instead of someone who will tell you that you "are holding water"
65kg? GIMME A BREAK.
I am 76kg morning after going to bath room and my abs is covered with veins.
And 11kg more? Where is this opinion come from? PURE JEOLOUSY.
Seriously, You dont have any light to say that Paco dont have any idea since You are a juicer. Paco dont put my diet to another people. In addition, I DONT HAVE ANY TRAINER. Paco is just a friend who give me aseveral advices. And My diet comes from the experience. Paco want to cut the water and i dont agree that much,. Anyway, we will see what happen before the contest.
I may cut my water long time or maybe not.
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and losing muscle.
and getting stringier.
and won't get any leaner, but instead just burn lean tissue.
you can stomp your feet and call everyone ' you smaller skinny fat forever' but stav is right.
Yet I am 10000000times leaner and bigger than you. Hope this help
If not, post your pic YOU LOSER
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yes, 77kg of pure steroid mass. Impossible to achieve naturally... ::) ::) ::)
77kg at kyomus height in shredded condition is close to impossible to achieve naturally IMO.
I'm interested at what weight / condition he will end up with come contest time.
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77kg at kyomus height in shredded condition is close to impossible to achieve naturally IMO.
I'm interested at what weight / condition he will end up with come contest time.
I am now 76.5kg and drasticaly better(According to the people and Paco in our gym).
But I try to be on stage with 74kg.
From now, going down 1kg is becoming very severe...
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Yet I am 10000000times leaner and bigger than you. Hope this help
If not, post your pic YOU LOSER
I think youre becoming quite an arrogant little prick. Calm down, were here to help.
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65kg? GIMME A BREAK.
I am 76kg morning after going to bath room and my abs is covered with veins.
And 11kg more? Where is this opinion come from? PURE JEOLOUSY.
Seriously, You dont have any light to say that Paco dont have any idea since You are a juicer. Paco dont put my diet to another people. In addition, I DONT HAVE ANY TRAINER. Paco is just a friend who give me aseveral advices. And My diet comes from the experience. Paco want to cut the water and i dont agree that much,. Anyway, we will see what happen before the contest.
I may cut my water long time or maybe not.
Once again, your arguments make no sense but I still don't see why you are so mad at us.
Nobody is jealous, we are just trying to help.
no need to be arrogant. And for your information, Van is a good sized/super strong guy. He knows his shits.
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77kg at kyomus height in shredded condition is close to impossible to achieve naturally IMO.
I'm interested at what weight / condition he will end up with come contest time.
Maybe if you only eat Schnitzel and Kebap.
kyomu has 20 years of weightlifting on his back, he did a cycle 15 or so years ago, he eats like a madman (i have seen him eat tons of chicken and lettuce 3 or 4 days out, can't remember anymore) and he trains his ass off.
What he does is doable naturally, or "clean" if you want to smartass. I believe kyomu if he says he's natural.
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I think youre becoming quite an arrogant little prick. Calm down, were here to help.
I know who can help me and who cant.
And I know who talk FOR ME and who talk for their ego.
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Maybe if you only eat Schnitzel and Kebap.
kyomu has 20 years of weightlifting on his back, he did a cycle 15 or so years ago, he eats like a madman (i have seen him eat tons of chicken and lettuce 3 or 4 days out, can't remember anymore) and he trains his ass off.
What he does is doable naturally, or "clean" if you want to smartass. I believe kyomu if he says he's natural.
so guys in the 75 kg categories or in the 80 kg are all natural huh? ::)
have you seen any bb contest?
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so guys in the 75 kg categories or in the 80 kg are all natural huh? ::)
have you seen any bb contest?
Did i ever say that??
Where did i say that??
I said it's "doable", that doesn't mean "everyone does it", no???
When i say you can do a double backflip on a dirt bike, does that mean everyone who joins a contest can do it??
Maybe you should use your brains a little bit more excessive.
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Once again, your arguments make no sense but I still don't see why you are so mad at us.
Nobody is jealous, we are just trying to help.
no need to be arrogant. And for your information, Van is a good sized/super strong ####. He knows his shits.
Because, you guys are not hamble. NOTHING.
Of course, you can say anything. But hey, if 5 years old boy who hasnt even seen a dumbell says "YOU DONT KNOW SHIT ABOUT BBING".
How do you feel? You can say that you have another opinion unlike Paco or me. YES I can accept but if you call us like " YOU DONT KNOW SHIT", we just say to you "Kid, Just go away."
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I am now 76.5kg and drasticaly better(According to the people and Paco in our gym).
But I try to be on stage with 74kg.
From now, going down 1kg is becoming very severe...
I would rather go for 70kg, just my humble opinion.
Maybe if you only eat Schnitzel and Kebap.
kyomu has 20 years of weightlifting on his back, he did a cycle 15 or so years ago, he eats like a madman (i have seen him eat tons of chicken and lettuce 3 or 4 days out, can't remember anymore) and he trains his ass off.
What he does is doable naturally, or "clean" if you want to smartass. I believe kyomu if he says he's natural.
My point was 77kg in contest condition, I also believe him.
As I said, it'll be interesting where he ends up.
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Because, you guys are not hamble. NOTHING.
Of course, you can say anything. But hey, if 5 years old boy who hasnt even seen a dumbell says "YOU DONT KNOW SHIT ABOUT BBING".
How do you feel? You can say that you have another opinion unlike Paco or me. YES I can accept but if you call us like " YOU DONT KNOW SHIT", we just say to you "Kid, Just go away."
Typical getbig bullshit again.
Like if you haven't done at least 5 cycles of steroids, you can't have an opinion about it and you can't say that 3 week cycles of 100mg Dianabol ed are bullshit.
Same with natural BB, getbiggers will never believe what they haven't done themselves. "I can't build 20lbs naturally in 6 months, so nobody can".
Have fun fighting over nothing, i'll stick to having my fun training and walking in the park. :-* :-*
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I would rather go for 70kg, just my humble opinion.
My point was 77kg in contest condition, I also believe him.
As I said, it'll be interesting where he ends up.
Ok sorry, i misunderstood that.
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I would rather go for 70kg, just my humble opinion.
My point was 77kg in contest condition, I also believe him.
As I said, it'll be interesting where he ends up.
Thanx for your opinion.
But hey, You must see me directly and you have to say that finaly.
Every competitors around me said that i will be on stage with 74.5kg.
And I think so too. But Dont take me wrong. I dont care to weight 70kg if i look good.
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Typical getbig bullshit again.
Like if you haven't done at least 5 cycles of steroids, you can't have an opinion about it and you can't say that 3 week cycles of 100mg Dianabol ed are bullshit.
Same with natural BB, getbiggers will never believe what they haven't done themselves. "I can't build 20lbs naturally in 6 months, so nobody can".
Have fun fighting over nothing, i'll stick to having my fun training and walking in the park. :-* :-*
Yeah, only few give me very good advice and they send me PM. And I aprriciated.
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Thanx for your opinion.
But hey, You must see me directly and you have to say that finaly.
Every competitors around me said that i will be on stage with 74.5kg.
And I think so too. But Dont take me wrong. I dont care to weight 70kg if i look good.
Yeah of course, pictures never tell the whole truth. Wish you best of luck in any case!
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Because, you guys are not hamble. NOTHING.
Of course, you can say anything. But hey, if 5 years old boy who hasnt even seen a dumbell says "YOU DONT KNOW SHIT ABOUT BBING".
How do you feel? You can say that you have another opinion unlike Paco or me. YES I can accept but if you call us like " YOU DONT KNOW SHIT", we just say to you "Kid, Just go away."
Ok, if you want to put your head in the sand instead of realizing that you are doing something wrong I have no problem with that.
but don't come here and post your videos every week and ask us for opinion if you can't handle the truth.
This guy did not cut his water
(http://www.biolayne.com/Personal%20Training/Testimonials/Layne_Francisco.jpg)
neither did this guy
(http://www.biolayne.com/Personal%20Training/Testimonials/calzadilla1.gif)
neither did this guy
(http://www.biolayne.com/images/testimonials/cyFDB.jpg)
neither did this guy
(http://www.biolayne.com/images/testimonials/ben-mm.JPG)
neither did this guy
(http://www.biolayne.com/images/testimonials/Alberto_MM.JPG)
You see the point ?
the difference between you and these guys is that they didn't say they were only holding water, they realized it was fat not water
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Yeah of course, pictures never tell the whole truth. Wish you best of luck in any case!
Thanx! ;)
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Typical getbig bullshit again.
Like if you haven't done at least 5 cycles of steroids, you can't have an opinion about it and you can't say that 3 week cycles of 100mg Dianabol ed are bullshit.
Same with natural BB, getbiggers will never believe what they haven't done themselves. "I can't build 20lbs naturally in 6 months, so nobody can".
Have fun fighting over nothing, i'll stick to having my fun training and walking in the park. :-* :-*
I am not arguing his natural status at all
1- it's believable for me
2- I don't give a shit about natural status or not, people can bullshit on it all they want anyway
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Because, you guys are not hamble. NOTHING.
Of course, you can say anything. But hey, if 5 years old boy who hasnt even seen a dumbell says "YOU DONT KNOW SHIT ABOUT BBING".
How do you feel? You can say that you have another opinion unlike Paco or me. YES I can accept but if you call us like " YOU DONT KNOW SHIT", we just say to you "Kid, Just go away."
settle down
I recommend some nicotine at this point in the prep
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Ok, if you want to put your head in the sand instead of realizing that you are doing something wrong I have no problem with that.
but don't come here and post your videos every week and ask us for opinion if you can't handle the truth.
This guy did not cut his water
(http://www.biolayne.com/Personal%20Training/Testimonials/Layne_Francisco.jpg)
neither did this guy
(http://www.biolayne.com/Personal%20Training/Testimonials/calzadilla1.gif)
neither did this guy
(http://www.biolayne.com/images/testimonials/cyFDB.jpg)
neither did this guy
(http://www.biolayne.com/images/testimonials/ben-mm.JPG)
neither did this guy
(http://www.biolayne.com/images/testimonials/Alberto_MM.JPG)
You see the point ?
the difference between you and these guys is that they didn't say they were only holding water, they realized it was fat not water
You didnt understand me. I do appriciate what you say. But just I need it with some educated manner.
And I agree with your opinion. And Paco also.
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Alberto looking shredded there.
And I missed it earlier in this thread but dave19 is 100% right of course.
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Alberto looking shredded there.
And I missed it earlier in this thread but dave19 is 100% right of course.
I agree with him too.
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65kg? GIMME A BREAK.
I am 76kg morning after going to bath room and my abs is covered with veins.
And 11kg more? Where is this opinion come from? PURE JEOLOUSY.
I didn't say you needed to go that low, I was just making a point. If you went to Layne and asked what to do to get your legs more cut he would simply say you still needed to lose more fat. As a natural, unless you're sick, have bad kidneys or whatever, it's not water that's blurring the cuts. And if a competitor has a certain body weight number in his head and is afraid to look "flat" then he might not want to do what's necessary.
That's all I was saying. It wasn't a flame, you just took it as such.
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I recommend some nicotine at this point in the prep
I second that. Nicotine gum and coffee 3 times a day. 8)
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I didn't say you needed to go that low, I was just making a point. If you went to Layne and asked what to do to get your legs more cut he would simply say you still needed to lose more fat. As a natural, unless you're sick, have bad kidneys or whatever, it's not water that's blurring the cuts. And if a competitor has a certain body weight number in his head and is afraid to look "flat" then he might not want to do what's necessary.
That's all I was saying. It wasn't a flame, you just took it as such.
Aha. Then I agree with you. MAny people says that its water since my upper body is almost ready.
But, I think its fat. Just I keep on going down as possible as i can.
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Alberto looking shredded there.
And I missed it earlier in this thread but dave19 is 100% right of course.
X2 Wave is always on the money with his suggestions for natties.
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X2 Wave is always on the money with his suggestions for natties.
Thanks man, but I'm just a skinny geek compared to kyomu
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Thanks man, but I'm just a skinny geek compared to kyomu
No. I honestly respect what you achieved and i always listen what you say seriously.
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I know who can help me and who cant.
Obviously, you are mistaken.
You seem to be over-looking one important thing: You are NOT impressive. The least you could do in this case is get shredded to the bone. Then, and only then might you get a second look from the judges.
You need help and obviously you are too blind to see it.
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Obviously, you are mistaken.
You seem to be over-looking one important thing: You are NOT impressive. The least you could do in this case is get shredded to the bone. Then, and only then might you get a second look from the judges.
You need help and obviously you are too blind to see it.
Another arrogant post. What do you mean impressive? In case, you know the level of the contest which i enter? People(Of course competitors) say that maybe i will be the biggest in the category and in case biggest in the show. You certainly blind to talk to me.
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Yet I am 10000000times leaner and bigger than you. Hope this help
If not, post your pic YOU LOSER
ahahahahahahha
easy rice- eater.
you're going to have a stroke.
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looking sharp Kyomu
shape is coming out even more and you are actually gaining some lean muscle as your weight is increasing
keep on track, good work!
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in the end with color,carb load or other method,he will show up markedly improved from last show.what he takes from some of the training ,dieting ,that he showed us from these months will need adjustments to get the fullest but leanest look for his build.i think this is close to the best at his age,yrs training,and know how,i think his legs have conditioning issues he could get better next time.the thing most people here judge him on is how at this point on how much tighter will he get or better,the main ingrediant that even a sm cycle of anabolics would have given his build the impressive look that someone said he lacked is 'hardness"thats what is missing but he chose this way as the best for him.
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in the end with color,carb load or other method,he will show up markedly improved from last show.what he takes from some of the training ,dieting ,that he showed us from these months will need adjustments to get the fullest but leanest look for his build.i think this is close to the best at his age,yrs training,and know how,i think his legs have conditioning issues he could get better next time.the thing most people here judge him on is how at this point on how much tighter will he get or better,the main ingrediant that even a sm cycle of anabolics would have given his build the impressive look that someone said he lacked is 'hardness"thats what is missing but he chose this way as the best for him.
You are quit suming up my thought.
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animo taka
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cardio on the bike if you want cuts on your legs. Its genetics yes, but it does make a difference..
Why is the bike best? I have always done the treadmill walking on a pretty steep incline. Gets me in shape fast but legs dont come in good at all. Should I be using the bike, is that the problem?
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This time, no cardio at all.
Squat to the paralel.pararer.
Leg press also paralelpararer.
fixed ;D
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animo taka
Thanx!!
But Uhhhhh low carb........
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I certainly blind to talk to you?
Why can't you just shred the fuck up for once and for all? WTF?
I don't give a shit about your tan, your posing skills or your lack of communication skills. Just have Paco or whoever you are consulting with tell you how to get SHREDDED!
You are taking forever to get nowhere. Your vids all look the same.
I don't dislike you, you just need some fucking motivation or direction or something... you choose to do no cardio AND you are natural? What the fuck is wrong with you?
Have you even bothered to test your bodyfat just so you can see how lean you really AREN'T??? Why don't you go do a water immersion test and see that you havent even entered the single digits yet.
For all of your hard work you would think by now you would at least have ONE cross-striation somewhere on your body.
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ahahahahahahha
easy rice- eater.
you're going to have a stroke.
Well, we are all rice-eaters (as we gain mass).
Never had a stroke from eating rice.