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Title: Jim Davidson on black gangs/gangsta rap
Post by: RocketSwitch625 on March 13, 2010, 05:03:53 AM
Everything he says makes sense:





Title: Re: Jim Davidson on black gangs/gangsta rap
Post by: Parker on March 13, 2010, 05:11:08 AM
He disrespected Sade, no words can the describe the helll that awaits him...nobody disrespects Sade...Plus he is not funny, not funny at all...but he did make some sense.
Title: Re: Jim Davidson on black gangs/gangsta rap
Post by: RocketSwitch625 on March 13, 2010, 05:18:22 AM
He disrespected Sade, no words can the describe the helll that awaits him...nobody disrespects Sade...Plus he is not funny, not funny at all...but he did make some sense.

The soldiers obviously think he is funny. I think he is quite funny too but then I have always hated political correctness.
Title: Re: Jim Davidson on black gangs/gangsta rap
Post by: Parker on March 13, 2010, 05:23:29 AM
The soldiers obviously think he is funny. I think he is quite funny too but then I have always hated political correctness.
Just because he gets a few chuckles doesn't mean he's funny. A falling drunk could get the same. Dude was not a "barrel of laughs"...he just rambled on...hell, the rap music he talks about is far more understandable...Plus, he disrespected Sade >:(.
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Title: Re: Jim Davidson on black gangs/gangsta rap
Post by: Mr Nobody on March 13, 2010, 05:30:56 AM
Sade is definately off limits a hot lady for sure with some good tunes. A favorite here.

Title: Re: Jim Davidson on black gangs/gangsta rap
Post by: RocketSwitch625 on March 13, 2010, 05:39:10 AM
Isn't Sade a one hit wonder? Sorry, not my cup of tea.




Title: Re: Jim Davidson on black gangs/gangsta rap
Post by: ManBearPig... on March 13, 2010, 06:03:36 AM
Isn't Sade a one hit wonder? Sorry, not my cup of tea.






the only Taylor Swift that's posted around here should be her nudes.  Her abomination of a performance with Def Leppard should be erased from all archives.

as for Sade, still looks pretty damn good considering she's 51 years fucking old.
(note: photo not current)
(http://www.campisi.org/concert_pix/2001/sade/sade_6.jpg)
Title: Re: Jim Davidson on black gangs/gangsta rap
Post by: Mr Nobody on March 13, 2010, 06:19:40 AM
(http://2fm.rte.ie/blogs/colm_jim_jims_blogggggg/Sade.jpg)

aging nicely.
Yep agreed looks in her 30's
Title: Re: Jim Davidson on black gangs/gangsta rap
Post by: RocketSwitch625 on March 13, 2010, 07:00:29 AM
Yep agreed looks in her 30's

Her neck reminds me slightly of this:




(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/__Txz8R6EHp8/SaewnnIAznI/AAAAAAAACYE/BUfyvR8JPnc/s400/long+neck.jpg)

(http://blog.hotelclub.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/stretched-neck2.jpg)

(http://2fm.rte.ie/blogs/colm_jim_jims_blogggggg/Sade.jpg)

Sorry, but not very attractive.
Title: Re: Jim Davidson on black gangs/gangsta rap
Post by: Purple Aki on March 13, 2010, 07:22:56 AM
Jim's a ginger, alcoholic wife beater, who has a penchant for men in uniform. He's about as funny as an infected testicle.
Title: Re: Jim Davidson on black gangs/gangsta rap
Post by: shootfighter1 on March 13, 2010, 07:29:24 AM
Rap and rap culture is one of the worst things that have happened to our culture and give a handicap to mostly minority kids when it comes to integrating into society and the workforce.  However, disrespecting Sade is blaspheme.  Sade looks great for 51 and she has created some good smooth music.
Black Americans have made some of the best music in American history, I can't believe what has happened with rap and much of hip/hop.  Then again, I am a musician so I hate simple repetitive music that is short on talent.
Title: Re: Jim Davidson on black gangs/gangsta rap
Post by: YoungBlood on March 13, 2010, 07:47:01 AM
The soldiers obviously think he is funny. I think he is quite funny too but then I have always hated political correctness.

Of course the soldiers think he's funny...it's better than watching the stars in the sky over the sand in the desert...they'd probably think a line of ants is funny after being so bored over there.
Title: Re: Jim Davidson on black gangs/gangsta rap
Post by: RocketSwitch625 on March 13, 2010, 08:12:48 AM
Rap and rap culture is one of the worst things that have happened to our culture and give a handicap to mostly minority kids when it comes to integrating into society and the workforce.  However, disrespecting Sade is blaspheme.  Sade looks great for 51 and she has created some good smooth music.
Black Americans have made some of the best music in American history, I can't believe what has happened with rap and much of hip/hop.  Then again, I am a musician so I hate simple repetitive music that is short on talent.

I agree. Rap music = dumbing down of popular music.
Title: Re: Jim Davidson on black gangs/gangsta rap
Post by: G_Thang on March 13, 2010, 08:18:17 AM
Her neck reminds me slightly of this:




(http://2fm.rte.ie/blogs/colm_jim_jims_blogggggg/Sade.jpg)

Sorry, but not very attractive.

an exotic woman with a 20 yr plus career, single mom, and holding up nicely moving thru her 50s just dont have it.  well...it's getbid...dont u know?

(http://radiofacts.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/sade5.gif)

 :-\
Title: Re: Jim Davidson on black gangs/gangsta rap
Post by: Parker on March 13, 2010, 09:39:41 AM
I agree. Rap music = dumbing down of popular music.
The same was said of Rock music, back in the day. It was called the Devil's music, and before that, the same was said of Jazz music...
Also, doesn't country music have the highest rate of suicide amongst it's listeners (aside from emo music)

and because you disrespected Sade, I hope you fall into a abandoned well and get some one on one time with a hibernating Well Troll.
Title: Re: Jim Davidson on black gangs/gangsta rap
Post by: Wiggs on March 13, 2010, 09:42:40 AM
I don't know who this fuckin' cracker is and nor do I care.  No one speaks ill of Sade, no one...
Title: Re: Jim Davidson on black gangs/gangsta rap
Post by: TrueGrit on March 13, 2010, 09:48:49 AM
I agree with him on the MTV thing....it's always some tool with gold chains and baggy pants mean mugging into the camera.

The chick's doing the ass thing only sugars the pill.
Title: Re: Jim Davidson on black gangs/gangsta rap
Post by: Parker on March 13, 2010, 09:55:05 AM
I don't know who this fuckin' cracker is and nor do I care.  No one speaks ill of Sade, no one...
Not even a Alien Anal Probe is worse enough torture for him...and they would do it, just because he insulted Sade.

That's like some Greek back in the day saying, "Helen of Troy isn't all that, I wouldn't hit it."
Or some idiot Egyptian saying, "Nefertiti, wasn't THAT attractive, plus she enjoys a box lunch...please who'd want her"
Title: Re: Jim Davidson on black gangs/gangsta rap
Post by: BIG DUB on March 13, 2010, 10:12:48 AM
P, Wiggs, I say we go KILL him..Nobody disrespects Her Imperial Majesty Helen Folasade Adu.. >:(
Title: Re: Jim Davidson on black gangs/gangsta rap
Post by: ManBearPig... on March 13, 2010, 10:18:11 AM
The same was said of Rock music, back in the day. It was called the Devil's music, and before that, the same was said of Jazz music...
Also, doesn't country music have the highest rate of suicide amongst it's listeners (aside from emo music)

and because you disrespected Sade, I hope you fall into a abandoned well and get some one on one time with a hibernating Well Troll.

it's not even music, that asshole kanye just talks over other people's music and talks about stupid shit that'll impress the "youfs".  his parents were college professors, hardly a rough childhood for him.  also, rock music takes skill and originality.

i watched some festival the other night, and jay z comes out on stage with a guitar, and plucks one note the whole time (no worry, he wasn't plugged in) and just yells, and then 30 other monkeys come out from behind the speakers to "support" his vocals.

Title: Re: Jim Davidson on black gangs/gangsta rap
Post by: Parker on March 13, 2010, 10:24:34 AM
P, Wiggs, I say we go KILL him..Nobody disrespects Her Imperial Majesty Helen Folasade Adu.. >:(
Death by mortal hands is too good for him. He should be taken out into the desert and while vultures circle him, forced to listen to Sade while Bear Grylls commentates on how vultures first take the eyesballs out of their prey....

Jay Z is a 40 yr old "experimenting", Kanye, very great producer, basically the The Puffy of today...they even act the same at their respective ages...

Imagine lookingat old Elvis footage now, all he did was swevel his hips on stage and females who had dirty minds went crazy (Proof positive that women think about sex as much as men do)
Title: Re: Jim Davidson on black gangs/gangsta rap
Post by: shootfighter1 on March 13, 2010, 10:30:21 AM
Parker, I am a drummer in a local pro band.  We play a lot of funk, motown, 70s classic rock & R&B.  3 of my bandmates are black guys, a bit older than me but they feel the same way about rap...dumbed down music that has negatively impacted young minorities (actually most people) and have discouraged club owners from hiring real musicians for gigs.  A lot of rap is using samples of old music.  Hip hop has some talented people but for the most part, rap is created in the studio with computers and music programs.  It sucks and I will never agree with the massive amounts of money some of these simple artists get paid.  It's an insult to real musicians.  The 70s was probably the height of pop music for musicians in most genres.  Fusion jazz, rock, R&B, funk, etc.  Jazz will always be musician's music, some metal also produces great musicians,  except for the singers  :)
Title: Re: Jim Davidson on black gangs/gangsta rap
Post by: brooklynbruiser on March 13, 2010, 10:38:57 AM
Isn't Sade a one hit wonder? Sorry, not my cup of tea.

From there, you should have killed yourself. Sade is a legend, dammit! You haven't any perception about anything outside your narrow frame of reference. :)
Title: Re: Jim Davidson on black gangs/gangsta rap
Post by: Parker on March 13, 2010, 10:49:57 AM
Parker, I am a drummer in a local pro band.  We play a lot of funk, motown, 70s classic rock & R&B.  3 of my bandmates are black guys, a bit older than me but they feel the same way about rap...dumbed down music that has negatively impacted young minorities (actually most people) and have discouraged club owners from hiring real musicians for gigs.  A lot of rap is using samples of old music.  Hip hop has some talented people but for the most part, rap is created in the studio with computers and music programs.  It sucks and I will never agree with the massive amounts of money some of these simple artists get paid.  It's an insult to real musicians.  The 70s was probably the height of pop music for musicians in most genres.  Fusion jazz, rock, R&B, funk, etc.  Jazz will always be musician's music, some metal also produces great musicians,  except for the singers  :)

And I don't disagree with you or the guys in the band...I never said Hip-hop was better. Actually I listen to mostly old skool R and B, Jazz, Latin, Soca, Bosa Nova, etc.
Which if you listen some hip hop producers like Kanye, they listen to the same. They spend hours "digging thru the crates", finding old skool jams, that otherwise would have bee forgotten. Bringing new appreciation from a younger crowd. Do you think James Vrown would have been as relevant today had he not been the most sampled artist? And artists/Producers like Ryan Leslie and Drake can play instruments very well. Scott Storch used to play for The Roots, which is arguably one of the best bands that play all music. I also live in the DC area, so that means GO-GO music!!!!

Check out Ryan Leslie sorting out a piano version of Lil Wayne's Lollipop on Air, which he has never done before
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Title: Re: Jim Davidson on black gangs/gangsta rap
Post by: K-1 on March 13, 2010, 10:55:45 AM
From there, you should have killed yourself. Sade is a legend, dammit! You haven't any perception about anything outside your narrow frame of reference. :)

Agreed...feed him to the lions! ;)
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/__JQgqNNRJDU/SFSEyiGqj3I/AAAAAAAAAL0/EC_LOy-iHqY/s320/892cap012.jpg)
Title: Re: Jim Davidson on black gangs/gangsta rap
Post by: G_Thang on March 13, 2010, 11:02:02 AM
And I don't disagree with you or the guys in the band...I never said Hip-hop was better. Actually I listen to mostly old skool R and B, Jazz, Latin, Soca, Bosa Nova, etc.
Which if you listen some hip hop producers like Kanye, they listen to the same. They spend hours "digging thru the crates", finding old skool jams, that otherwise would have bee forgotten. Bringing new appreciation from a younger crowd. Do you think James Vrown would have been as relevant today had he not been the most sampled artist? And artists/Producers like Ryan Leslie and Drake can play instruments very well. Scott Storch used to play for The Roots, which is arguably one of the best bands that play all music. I also live in the DC area, so that means GO-GO music!!!!

Check out Ryan Leslie sorting out a piano version of Lil Wayne's Lollipop on Air, which he has never done before
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who is ryan leslie.  on the hip hop thing it is a double edge sword.  you have guys like kurtis mantronik, old school, who production work for SOS band, Vandross, Confunkson and several acts in London.  you have talent in every genre.









good lookin brotha (no homo) cause one my sisters use to give me headaches over this dude.
Title: Re: Jim Davidson on black gangs/gangsta rap
Post by: Parker on March 13, 2010, 11:18:52 AM
Ryan Leslie is a Puffy protege. He is a Producer/artist. He is responsible for that Cassie chick's mediocre success (she is half black, half Filipina). He's done other work as well for different artists. He is more behind the scenes...
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Title: Re: Jim Davidson on black gangs/gangsta rap
Post by: Magnus Greel on March 13, 2010, 02:02:30 PM

Never liked Jim Davidson or his style of humour, but rap/hip hop has totally fucked a generation of british kids.

Gone from no gang crime to one of the worst teenage gang cultures in the western world.

Title: Re: Jim Davidson on black gangs/gangsta rap
Post by: The Showstoppa on March 13, 2010, 02:18:31 PM
"Sha-day?.....if that bitch was from the ghetto it would be pronounced Say-dee."
Title: Re: Jim Davidson on black gangs/gangsta rap
Post by: Eyeball Chambers on March 13, 2010, 02:26:20 PM
This is the first time I've ever heard of "Sade" or "Jim Davidson"...

You people really are into some gay shit it seems like...
Title: Re: Jim Davidson on black gangs/gangsta rap
Post by: Palpatine Q on March 13, 2010, 02:33:26 PM
it's not even music, that asshole kanye just talks over other people's music and talks about stupid shit that'll impress the "youfs".  his parents were college professors, hardly a rough childhood for him.  also, rock music takes skill and originality.

i watched some festival the other night, and jay z comes out on stage with a guitar, and plucks one note the whole time (no worry, he wasn't plugged in) and just yells, and then 30 other monkeys come out from behind the speakers to "support" his vocals.



I always put it like this:

If you asked me to rap...I could. It may not be "dope" or whatever the fuck, but i could string together a couple of stupid rhymes about bitches and money.

Ask me to pick up a guitar and play "eruption" and i wouldn't know where to start
Title: Re: Jim Davidson on black gangs/gangsta rap
Post by: Method101 on March 13, 2010, 02:40:35 PM
Jim Davidson is a working class hero.


p.s heres one from the archives.
Title: Re: Jim Davidson on black gangs/gangsta rap
Post by: CARTEL on March 13, 2010, 03:31:50 PM
Sade gives me the sweetest taboo.
Title: Re: Jim Davidson on black gangs/gangsta rap
Post by: Parker on March 13, 2010, 03:39:51 PM
This is the first time I've ever heard of "Sade" or "Jim Davidson"...

You people really are into some gay shit it seems like...
If you've never heard of Sade, then you must have been in the Amazon jungle for 28 yrs.

Jr, I may agree with you, but music today is about popularity and pimps and ho's. Lady Gaga and Shakira are prime examples. Both are very talented and started out doing non pop music, but they were not making money, so they sold out themselves to the record companies, just to get a record deal...
There are many great musical artits out there many don't get the recognition that they deserve. I myself, constantly look for good R&B artists music.
But your theory is correct as well.
Title: Re: Jim Davidson on black gangs/gangsta rap
Post by: Method101 on March 13, 2010, 03:42:21 PM
There hasn't been anything new and groundbreaking in popular music for the past 10 - 20 years. It seems like the progression of music has hit a brick wall of originality.

Much like microprocessors aren't getting any faster these days in terms of clock speed, the manufacturers are just adding more and more cores to the same package, eg single core ---> dual core --> quad core. This is because they also have hit a brick wall in terms of the limitations of physics and technology.

Much like we are starting to hit the limitations of the current financial system. Debt is building up at such a rate, that as we move forward in time it will be impossible to pay it off due to the compounding nature of interest, and the finite natural resources on earth to extract capital. This will result in defaults of entire nations. Attempting to pay off the debt will result in a terrible and prolonged economic depressions due to the fact that money is being diverted to paying of debt rather than spent on goods and services.

Has humankind hit a temporary peak in its development?


I don't know how any white guys could listen to rap. Atleast blacks can relate to alot of the lyrics lol.


Heavy metal is still progressing down different paths, there is "Folk" metal now.  8)

Title: Re: Jim Davidson on black gangs/gangsta rap
Post by: Eyeball Chambers on March 13, 2010, 03:53:44 PM
I always put it like this:

If you asked me to rap...I could. It may not be "dope" or whatever the fuck, but i could string together a couple of stupid rhymes about bitches and money.

Ask me to pick up a guitar and play "eruption" and i wouldn't know where to start

haha... That is true

The same with the beats in these rap songs, I can hammer those out on a desk. 
Title: Re: Jim Davidson on black gangs/gangsta rap
Post by: RocketSwitch625 on March 13, 2010, 04:20:31 PM
This is the first time I've ever heard of "Sade"

You people really are into some gay shit it seems like...

Exactly, I looked up Sade on Wikipedia and it seems that she is bigger in the US than in her own country of Britain. Even if she is a household name in the US I don't really care for her music. I listen to rock mainly and most of the bands I follow have released more albums and sold way more than she has. Her music is for girls.
Title: Re: Jim Davidson on black gangs/gangsta rap
Post by: G_Thang on March 13, 2010, 04:22:56 PM
haha... That is true

The same with the beats in these rap songs, I can hammer those out on a desk. 

send me your demo tape when you can replicate Kurtis Mantronix since he has worked n produced Vandross and international artists.  now...getbig is in the music business. 
Title: Re: Jim Davidson on black gangs/gangsta rap
Post by: Eyeball Chambers on March 13, 2010, 04:25:48 PM
send me your demo tape when you can replicate Kurtis Mantronix since he has worked n produced Vandross and international artists.  now...getbig is in the music business.  

You're divcom?  

I was getting worried about you my friend...  :o
Title: Re: Jim Davidson on black gangs/gangsta rap
Post by: Palpatine Q on March 13, 2010, 04:29:51 PM
send me your demo tape when you can replicate Kurtis Mantronix since he has worked n produced Vandross and international artists.  now...getbig is in the music business. 

Producers are a whole different ballgame...they are the real "talent"  and i would gather that the vast majority can play multiple instruments, know music theory, song structure..all that shit. and they probably produce multiple genres...they are professional hired guns

It's the idiot with a microphone that i think is a joke
Title: Re: Jim Davidson on black gangs/gangsta rap
Post by: TrueGrit on March 13, 2010, 04:30:59 PM
 This is not a racial point at all as I loathe nearly all modern music, white or black, but it just seems that back in the 60s and 70s guys like Dylan, The Stones/Beatles, Van Morrison, Hendrix, Paul Simon, Pink Floyd, Led Zepp performed music that was both cracking to listen to and thought-provoking. Stuff of real substance.

Nowadays it's pretty much "got me my glock" "got me my bitch" "got me my wheels" "iced that mofo dat stole my stash" "kill dat P-O-L-I-C-E-M-A-N" or some inane, mind-numbing techno drivel created by some dickless gimp on his Mac...Oh, and let's not forget the second-rater who won some crappy tv show to get a contract..


Shit, I sound like my old man!
Title: Re: Jim Davidson on black gangs/gangsta rap
Post by: Parker on March 13, 2010, 04:34:42 PM
Exactly, I looked up Sade on Wikipedia and it seems that she is bigger in the US than in her own country of Britain. Even if she is a household name in the US I don't really care for her music. I listen to rock mainly and most of the bands I follow have released more albums and sold way more than she has. Her music is for girls.
Yeah, you play her music, you will get the panties, pronto, on the double...her music is Grown Folks Music. Listen to No Ordinary Love...man, you can't go wrong with that...Sweetest Taboo
Title: Re: Jim Davidson on black gangs/gangsta rap
Post by: Palpatine Q on March 13, 2010, 04:45:49 PM
This is not a racial point at all as I loathe nearly all modern music, white or black, but it just seems that back in the 60s and 70s guys like Dylan, The Stones/Beatles, Van Morrison, Hendrix, Paul Simon, Pink Floyd, Led Zepp performed music that was both cracking to listen to and thought-provoking. Stuff of real substance.

Nowadays it's pretty much "got me my glock" "got me my bitch" "got me my wheels" "iced that mofo dat stole my stash" "kill dat P-O-L-I-C-E-M-A-N" or some inane, mind-numbing techno drivel created by some dickless gimp on his Mac...Oh, and let's not forget the second-rater who won some crappy tv show to get a contract..


Shit, I sound like my old man!

There's cool new shit out there that's kinda "deep"

Title: Re: Jim Davidson on black gangs/gangsta rap
Post by: RocketSwitch625 on March 13, 2010, 04:46:08 PM
the only Taylor Swift that's posted around here should be her nudes.  Her abomination of a performance with Def Leppard should be erased from all archives.

as for Sade, still looks pretty damn good considering she's 51 years fucking old.
(note: photo not current)
(http://www.campisi.org/concert_pix/2001/sade/sade_6.jpg)

From Billboard.com:

http://www.billboard.com/column/chartbeat/ask-billboard-who-s-bigger-def-leppard-or-1004074913.story (http://www.billboard.com/column/chartbeat/ask-billboard-who-s-bigger-def-leppard-or-1004074913.story)

"Def Leppard teamed with Taylor Swift on an episode of CMT's "Crossroads" in 2008, and the episode's subsequent release topped Billboard's Video Music Sales chart last July".
 
:)
Title: Re: Jim Davidson on black gangs/gangsta rap
Post by: TrueGrit on March 13, 2010, 04:54:32 PM
There's cool new shit out there that's kinda "deep"



Yeah, that's pretty funky. I actually enjoyed listening to it.  I'm exaggerating for dramatic effect - there has been good Indie and Rock in the same time frame but the empty, materialistic, "unga bunga... me de king of de castle" shit has dominated massively.  It's remarkable that those artists I listed were all writing, releasing and performing at the same point in musical history.
Title: Re: Jim Davidson on black gangs/gangsta rap
Post by: RocketSwitch625 on March 13, 2010, 05:05:28 PM
Don't forget melodic rock:





Title: Re: Jim Davidson on black gangs/gangsta rap
Post by: clued-up on March 13, 2010, 06:09:52 PM
If you've never heard of Sade, then you must have been in the Amazon jungle for 28 yrs.

I had no clue who Sade was either.. of course I was familiar with her work… but I had no idea who created it. I’m out of touch when it comes to music.
Title: Re: Jim Davidson on black gangs/gangsta rap
Post by: G_Thang on March 13, 2010, 06:13:15 PM
Jim Davidson is a working class hero.


p.s heres one from the archives.

quickly becoming a star attraction on getdumb...you are.

3 dumbos

Crackhead101, che_esy toes and Benny the B e a n e r.  
Title: Re: Jim Davidson on black gangs/gangsta rap
Post by: Palpatine Q on March 13, 2010, 06:14:47 PM
Yeah, that's pretty funky. I actually enjoyed listening to it.  I'm exaggerating for dramatic effect - there has been good Indie and Rock in the same time frame but the empty, materialistic, "unga bunga... me de king of de castle" shit has dominated massively.  It's remarkable that those artists I listed were all writing, releasing and performing at the same point in musical history.


I agree 100% dude. the last 10 years has produced very little noteworthy music, it's out there but mostly indie stuff. Major label music sucks ass for the most part
Title: Re: Jim Davidson on black gangs/gangsta rap
Post by: clued-up on March 13, 2010, 06:21:17 PM
Rap and rap culture is one of the worst things that have happened to our culture

*Ganster rap* is a terrible thing.. totally promotes a negative (dipshit) human existence.  Very sad.. nothing good comes from it.
Title: Re: Jim Davidson on black gangs/gangsta rap
Post by: Ex Coelis on March 13, 2010, 06:28:26 PM
Title: Re: Jim Davidson on black gangs/gangsta rap
Post by: Ex Coelis on March 13, 2010, 06:38:32 PM
no track goes harder

Title: Re: Jim Davidson on black gangs/gangsta rap
Post by: shootfighter1 on March 14, 2010, 08:40:39 AM
Yeah, I hear ya, there are different types of hip hop and certainly some talented artists.  They had a jazz/hip hop collaboration that was pretty cool for a while.  I guess my comment is more about rap (and a lot of pop music in general).  Across the board, rap is not good musically and the images that the artists and producers pushed to kids is completely irresponsible.

We just played a big gig last night: threw down some James Brown, Earth Wind & Fire, Steely Dan, Barry White, Temptations, Marvin Gaye, Commodores, Kool & the gang, etc.  Lots of solos and improv, had a great time.  Got a sax player and guitarist that just kill it.
Most of these pop musicians can't hold a candle to good live and studio musicians.  I love music so kinda passionate about not liking rap, which for the most part, is very simple (and irritating).