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Is there any good reason at all why things things should be illegal?
If the USA is "the land of the free", why can't we do simple things like smoke some weed and pay for a woman?
Oh yeah that's right..... the US is NOT the land of the free.
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You're free to choose from "approved" activities ;D
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You're free to choose from "approved" activities ;D
The funny thing is that the majority of Americans want weed to be legalized. But the gov. won't let it happen.
Freedom? Democracy? Nope.
The USA has some incredibly strict rules and laws. Anyone who's travelled a lot knows this.
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The funny thing is that the majority of Americans want weed to be legalized. But the gov. won't let it happen.
Freedom? Democracy? Nope.
The USA has some incredibly strict rules and laws. Anyone who's travelled a lot knows this.
Glad, you've traveled a lot but we don't live in a democracy. Both should be a state right.
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I live in a place where prostitution is illegal but the laws aren't enforced.
I'm not sure why it is illegal anywhere. Isn't it mostly men making the laws ?
I'd be most upset if I couldn't go out for a quick blow job at lunch time after a stressful morning at work.
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Is there any good reason at all why things things should be illegal?
If the USA is "the land of the free", why can't we do simple things like smoke some weed and pay for a woman?
Oh yeah that's right..... the US is NOT the land of the free.
no...there is not a good reason....
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Just out of curiosity, anybody here okay with your mom, wife, sister, and/or daughter being a prostitute? Would you be proud of them/her?
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Just out of curiosity, anybody here okay with your mom, wife, sister, and/or daughter being a prostitute? Would you be proud of them/her?
The thing is, if people want to be prostitutes they'll get into it right now even though it's illegal. The USA is full of whores already.
Just becase you make something legal that doesn't mean it'll happen more. Just means that people will not be punished for doing it.
Same with weed. You can buy a sack of weed in almost every town in the USA....
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All drugs should be legal,prostitution should be legal,gambling should be legal.The government should have no say in our personal liberty as long as that behavior doesnt harm others.What right does the government have to ban any of these things?
By the way,to the guy who asked if you would be proud if your mother was a prostitute?Who cares if your proud.What right does your pride have to tell her she cant?You let your mother tell you what to do?Where to go? etc.We have allowed the government to take our liberty away under the guise of them protecting us.WE DONT NEED THEIR PROTECTION!Dfend the fucking borders and pave the fucking streets and then leave us the fuck alone.
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I wont post what I believe but let me ask you this Billy? Would you be okay with a legalized brothel next door to you or to your son's school or a place to get weed.
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The thing is, if people want to be prostitutes they'll get into it right now even though it's illegal. The USA is full of whores already.
Just becase you make something legal that doesn't mean it'll happen more. Just means that people will not be punished for doing it.
Same with weed. You can buy a sack of weed in almost every town in the USA....
You did not answer my question:
Just out of curiosity, anybody here okay with your mom, wife, sister, and/or daughter being a prostitute? Would you be proud of them/her?
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I wont post what I believe but let me ask you this Billy? Would you be okay with a legalized brothel next door to you or to your son's school or a place to get weed.
What do I care?If he goes to a ballgame in the city,there are 50 prostitutes on the street.We went to Atlantic city last year ,I was with my wife and son,at least 6 whores came up and asked if I wanted a date.In my sons school a kid just got locked up for having a gun in his locker with pot and ecstasy and we live in one of the top rated school distrricts in our state.You cant hide the world from kids.Frankly this whole "we have to do it for the kids" argument makes me want to vomit.As long as the brothel was clean,well kept and noise free I dont care.
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By the way,to the guy who asked if you would be proud if your mother was a prostitute?Who cares if your proud.What right does your pride have to tell her she cant?You let your mother tell you what to do?Where to go? etc.We have allowed the government to take our liberty away under the guise of them protecting us.WE DONT NEED THEIR PROTECTION!Dfend the fucking borders and pave the fucking streets and then leave us the fuck alone.
I have not said whether or not I believe prostitution should be legal. You did not answer my question.
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What do I care?If he goes to a ballgame in the city,there are 50 prostitutes on the street.We went to Atlantic city last year ,I was with my wife and son,at least 6 whores came up and asked if I wanted a date.In my sons school a kid just got locked up for having a gun in his locker with pot and ecstasy and we live in one of the top rated school distrricts in our state.You cant hide the world from kids.Frankly this whole "we have to do it for the kids" argument makes me want to vomit.As long as the brothel was clean,well kept and noise free I dont care.
Good post ...
perhaps we isolate our kids to much these days...then we throw them to the wolves when they get 18 years of age..
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Both should be legal .
Sexual acts between consenting adults in brothels , it's an availability for sexual release for those who would find it hard to get it in other ways .
For real , drinking is worse than smoking weed .
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I wont post what I believe but let me ask you this Billy? Would you be okay with a legalized brothel next door to you or to your son's school or a place to get weed.
I'm sure there would be zoning laws to consider just like strip clubs etc. It's not like they would open up next door. Even in Las Vegas the Bunny Ranch is a good drive outside Vegas' city limits.
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I'm sure there would be zoning laws to consider just like strip clubs etc. It's not like they would open up next door. Even in Las Vegas the Bunny Ranch is a good drive outside Vegas' city limits.
I know but just curious, lets say there is no zoning laws.
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I know but just curious, lets say there is no zoning laws.
As a matter of fact, I am living in an Asian country right now where prostitution is basically legal. Similar to Mexico, it is technically illegal, but it is everywhere and nobody ever gets arrested for it.
There are brothels right next to schools etc. Brothels all over, there is one in the building I live in actually. And it really does not have any negative impact on society here. The HIV rates are lower here than the USA, as well as the divorce rates and crime rates.
In the USA people have a kneejerk reaction that prostitution = horrible and scummy. But in much of the world this stigma does not exist. And making it illegal tends to cause the problems associated with it, not the business itself.
The USA is just soooooooo PC and Christian. They need to lighten up in some ways.
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I know but just curious, lets say there is no zoning laws.
I still wouldn't care because there would still be guidelines for the business to follow. Now, regardless of that I do think it could potentially raise issues for you to raise a family there because whether we like it or not those places will attract lower members of society and you will have the occasional bar fight, robbery attempt, maybe even an attempted breaking and entering if you live next door. You never know what some drunk asshole would do. That's why we have zoning laws.
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Just out of curiosity, anybody here okay with your mom, wife, sister, and/or daughter being a prostitute? Would you be proud of them/her?
if the only thing stopping your mommy,sis,daughter from becoming a prostitute is it's legal status then being proud is the least of your concerns...
is the only thing stopping you from smoking crack it's status of being illegal?
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yes yes lets legalize these things but ban salt and make circumsizing illegal, liberals are sooo fucking stupid, and the people that blindly follow them
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yes yes lets legalize these things but ban salt and make circumsizing illegal, liberals are sooo fucking stupid, and the people that blindly follow them
you have salt on the brain dude...
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yes yes lets legalize these things but ban salt and make circumsizing illegal, liberals are sooo fucking stupid, and the people that blindly follow them
Being uncut is so cool bro...glad my Mom made the right choice. 8)
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you two obviously dont see the point i am trying to make, but then again you wouldnt,
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you two obviously dont see the point i am trying to make, but then again you wouldnt,
nope...please elaborate...
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ok they want to legalize drugs, but ban salt dude and tell us what we can and cant eat, if you dont see the problem there i cant help you my friend except to say that the metal part of the shot gun shell goes in back when you put it in
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ok they want to legalize drugs, but ban salt dude and tell us what we can and cant eat, if you dont see the problem there i cant help you my friend except to say that the metal part of the shot gun shell goes in back when you put it in
your sarcasm shows your juvenile & elementary thinking...
no one on this thread (to my knowledge) has said banning salt is a good thing....It's not either or dude...your looking at things in black and white...It's possible to think the ban on salt is retarded yet still support legalization of weed and prostitution...
besides....you never answered my question the last time this was brought up....were do you stand on tobacco and alcohol?the two drugs that kill more people than all street drugs combined....
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i would bet a months salary i have 2 times the education you do, i am just tired of biting my tongue being politicaly correct to satisfy cry baby fucking grown up, and hey i have and do pay for quite a bit of many families food and other things of importance, as my business gets the royal piss taxed out of it, as do i personaly, so if people dont like me being not politicaly correct they can also not like my fucking money and give it back
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i would bet a months salary i have 2 times the education you do, i am just tired of biting my tongue being politicaly correct to satisfy cry baby fucking grown up, and hey i have and do pay for quite a bit of many families food and other things of importance, as my business gets the royal piss taxed out of it, as do i personaly, so if people dont like me being not politicaly correct they can also not like my fucking money and give it back
what does any of this have to do with the thread topic?are you on any medication?
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it has everything to do with the politics board, this is the government redistributing wealth, you prob dont have a prob with this cause you are on the freeloading recieving end, so your welcome, i hope you spend my money that i work for wisely
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it has everything to do with the politics board, this is the government redistributing wealth, you prob dont have a prob with this cause you are on the freeloading recieving end, so your welcome, i hope you spend my money that i work for wisely
ha ha you gotta be a gimmick...OK well....the politics(along with any other board) has specific topics in them...there called threads...the specific topic of this thread is legalizing marijuana & prostitution....I mean its obvious you have a touch of ADD but with medication and some focus exercises you should be able to eventually have a debate on a given topic....good luck...
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nope not a gimmick, just a hard working business owner that is tired of watching more and more of my money get handed out to worthless lazy people, i do my own charity, food drives toy drives, and many more. I dont need uncle sam reaching deeper into my pocket taking more to give them, i also am someone who has had too many family members die for this country to just sit back and watch this scum that you support completly shit all over freedom, capitalism, and the things that made america great at one time. too bad you dont look at america as something to treasure, rather than something to use and take advantage of
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Serious ? , why should it ( pot & prostitution ) be legal in some states but not in others ?
You have tobacco companies selling carcinogenics and not an ounce of remorse for that .
As a country I think some unification would be a nice concept here , you can go from state to state and find different laws regarding these things , that's retarded IMO .
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if the only thing stopping your mommy,sis,daughter from becoming a prostitute is it's legal status then being proud is the least of your concerns...
is the only thing stopping you from smoking crack it's status of being illegal?
You are not answering my question. Very simple, would you be okay with your mommy, sis , daughter being prostitutes? Yes or no? I never said it should be illegal.
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I have not said whether or not I believe prostitution should be legal. You did not answer my question.
Your question was "would you be proud if your mother was a prostitute".No,but I dont think I have the right to tell her what to do,just like she has ZERO say in ANYTHING I do.
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You are not answering my question. Very simple, would you be okay with your mommy, sis , daughter being prostitutes? Yes or no? I never said it should be illegal.
Absolutely not. I don't think any reasonable person would be proud of their mother, sister, or daughter being a prostitute.
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I'm laughing my ass off at these morons who are labeling me a "liberal".
That whole entire liberal vs. conservative gam is for small minded morons.
Yes I am in favor of legalizing weed and hos. But I am not a liberal.
And banning salt????? This is pure bullshit. Nobody wants to ban salt. Where did you hear this? Some fake news show like Glen Beck?
I guess this is what I should expect on the Getbig politics board though.
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March 10, 2010, 6:22 pm
Pass the Salt Ban?
By ANDY NEWMAN
Tony Cenicola/The New York Times
In one of the odder developments to come out of Albany in recent weeks, which is saying something, a Brooklyn assemblyman, Felix Ortiz, has proposed a bill that would make it illegal for restaurants to use salt in the preparation of food. Period.
Plain as day, or perhaps unsalted french fries, Assembly Bill A10129, introduced last Friday, says, “No owner or operator of a restaurant in this state shall use salt in any form in the preparation of any food for consumption by customers of such restaurant, including food prepared to be consumed on the premises of such restaurant or off the premises.”
The measure proposes fines of $1,000 for each violation.
Mr. Ortiz, a Democrat who represents several neighborhoods where salt is known to be heavily used, including Red Hook and Sunset Park, told The Times Union of Albany that he was inspired to introduce the bill by the case of his father, who used salt excessively for years and developed high blood pressure and had a heart attack. NOT BECK NOT EVERYONE WATCHES HIM CONTRARY TO POPULAR IDIOTIC BELIEF new york times bro
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Salt Ban For Restaurants? Lawmaker Introduces Bill To Kill Salt
Huffington Post | David Weiner First Posted: 03-10-10 12:48 PM | Updated: 03-10-10 09:17 PM
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Share Comments 466 One Brooklyn lawmaker wants to take some flavor out of your food.
Assemblyman Felix Ortiz (D-Brooklyn) has proposed a bill that "prohibits the use of salt by restaurants in the preparation of food by restaurants."
Bill A10129 calls for fining a-salters $1000 for flouting the law.
New York has already successfully banned trans fats from restaurants and local politicians are weighing a tax on soda, so shaking the salt out of kitchens may not be such a far-fetched idea.
NOT GLEN BECK AGAIN HMMM WOW
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OOOOHHHH NOOOO another none glen beck article
Brooklyn Dem Felix Ortiz wants to ban use of salt in New York restaurants
BY Samuel Goldsmith
DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER
Thursday, March 11th 2010, 1:46 AM
Duvall/GettyWould you go out to eat if there was no salt allowed in restaurants? State Assemblyman Felix Ortiz wants to find out. Take our PollNo salt added
Do you believe salt should be banned from New York restaurants?
Yes. We need to eat healthier.
No. No one would eat at our restaurants anymore.
Not sure.
Related NewsArticlesSavings in Brooklyn: Bushwick on a budgetHippies get their own version of high heels: Stella McCartney designs $625 cork stilettosQuinn's latest beef: Fast food in city zonesState bigwigs lobby NASA to choose IntrepidSchmidt's Candy in Woodhaven...the sweet lowdown Your new Atkins Diet guide to dining out in NYCIf State Assemblyman Felix Ortiz has his way, the only salt added to your meal will come from the chef's tears.
The Brooklyn Democrat has introduced a bill that would ban the use of salt in New York restaurants - and violators would be smacked with a $1,000 fine for every salty dish.
"No owner or operator of a restaurant in this state shall use salt in any form in the preparation of any food," the bill reads.
Some of Manhattan's top cooks blasted the idea, saying the legislation lacks a certain je ne sais quoi.
"New York City is considered the restaurant capital of the world. If they banned salt, nobody would come here anymore," said Tom Colicchio, star of "Top Chef" and owner of Craft.
"Anybody who wants to taste food with no salt, go to a hospital and taste that," he said.
Ortiz says his bill is designed to save lives, just like laws that ban the use of trans fats and require chain restaurants to post nutrition information.
"It's time for us to take a giant step," Ortiz said yesterday. "We need to talk about two ingredients of salt: health care costs and deaths."
He claims billions of dollars and thousands of lives would be saved if salt was taken off the menu altogether.
There's little argument that too much salt causes high blood pressure, which can lead to heart attacks - but even hardcore salt haters say banning it outright is a pinch too much.
"You can live with salt in your diet. The problem in our society is excess salt," said Sonia Angell, director of the cardiovascular disease and prevention program for the Health Department.
Angell is behind the city's new push to get food producers and restaurants to cut sodium content by 25% over the next five years. That includes prepared foods like canned soups and frozen dinners, as well as fast-food meals that can have twice the recommended amount of salt for an entire day.
"Fast food is loaded with sodium, but in a kitchen that's doing fine dining, the use of salt is moderate," said John DeLucie, chef at The Waverly Inn and the soon-to-be opened Lion.
"There's a ridiculous amount of salt in processed foods, but what I use is not a salt bomb like that. It's to taste."
"I have zero problems with blood pressure, zero problems with my health, and I have eaten salt all my life," said Eric Ripert, chef at world-famous Manhattan restaurant Le Bernardin.
"Cooked food tastes good with salt and it's bland without it," said Ripert. "I believe very much that processed food is not good for you. But salt - salt is different. There are zero dishes I prepare that have no salt at all.
Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2010/03/11/2010-03-11_assault_on_salt_an_insult_chefs.html#ixzz0j90Vn1Cv
BUT LETS LEGALIZE DRUGS THOUGH ,, FAR BETER FOR US THAN THAT EVIL EVIL SALT
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ahhh you had to get um started didn't you :-X
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its funny how when some hears something so stupid such as the ban of salt they refer strait to beck cause he is a crazy guy, but all the sudden when it is proven that its liberals and not beck then all the suddeen its ok, but the initial thought of beck after hearing a salt ban goes to show how obserd the hole idea is
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March 10, 2010, 6:22 pm
Pass the Salt Ban?
By ANDY NEWMAN
Tony Cenicola/The New York Times
In one of the odder developments to come out of Albany in recent weeks, which is saying something, a Brooklyn assemblyman, Felix Ortiz, has proposed a bill that would make it illegal for restaurants to use salt in the preparation of food. Period.
Plain as day, or perhaps unsalted french fries, Assembly Bill A10129, introduced last Friday, says, “No owner or operator of a restaurant in this state shall use salt in any form in the preparation of any food for consumption by customers of such restaurant, including food prepared to be consumed on the premises of such restaurant or off the premises.”
The measure proposes fines of $1,000 for each violation.
Mr. Ortiz, a Democrat who represents several neighborhoods where salt is known to be heavily used, including Red Hook and Sunset Park, told The Times Union of Albany that he was inspired to introduce the bill by the case of his father, who used salt excessively for years and developed high blood pressure and had a heart attack. NOT BECK NOT EVERYONE WATCHES HIM CONTRARY TO POPULAR IDIOTIC BELIEF new york times bro
You fucking idiot.
One crackpot Brooklyn assmeblyman wants to do this. This is NOT something liberals want.
If you ask liberals what they think of this, 99.99% of them will say it's crazy.
Use some logic son.
I am not trying to defend liberals here, just trying to talk some common sense. This stupid battle between liberals and conservatives was gotten so heated that lots of people forget about logic and just go for pure mudslinging even if it doesn't make any sense. You are taking this article WAYYY out of context just to make a little attack on liberals.
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this is just one of many polititians trying for this i just posted about this one to show you that it wasnt glen beck like you like to assume, but i am the idiot ok lol
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Yes weed and Prostitution should be legal.
However with this whole Liberal vs Conservative issue why do most feel that you are one or the other? I am a mix I suppose. Personal liberty means everything to me and neither party delivers that. What are your thoughts on Libertarians? I believe they should be the party of the future given the amount of interest in personal freedom and liberty that the tea baggers have brought to the forefront.
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this is just one of many polititians trying for this i just posted about this one to show you that it wasnt glen beck like you like to assume, but i am the idiot ok lol
Once again you are talking bullshit.
Show me some other politicians who want this? I have a feeling it's a very, very tiny group of people.
This bill is almost definitely not serious. This guy is just doing this for political reasons, like to gain a radical leftist support base, to get publicity for himself, or for some other reason.
You gotta look below the surface. Politicians do lots of things with ulterior motives. If you just believe things at face value you are a moron.
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you all ready told me once that i was wrong and that i was just watching glen beck, and i proved you wrong, i dont need to keep doing so, i proved what i wanted which was that it wasnt some glen beck hoax story like you claim. bark up someone elses tree dude
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Yes weed and Prostitution should be legal.
However with this whole Liberal vs Conservative issue why do most feel that you are one or the other? I am a mix I suppose. Personal liberty means everything to me and neither party delivers that. What are your thoughts on Libertarians? I believe they should be the party of the future given the amount of interest in personal freedom and liberty that the tea baggers have brought to the forefront.
Yeah the Libertarian Party is good and it is getting really popular really quick. It's a good mix of social liberalism and old school economic conservatism.
I avoid supporting any parties though. I can't really pick one party that is perfect, they all have flaws and strengths.
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i dont like rep or libs they are all crooked money grubbing thugs in suits ,
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you all ready told me once that i was wrong and that i was just watching glen beck, and i proved you wrong, i dont need to keep doing so, i proved what i wanted which was that it wasnt some glen beck hoax story like you claim. bark up someone elses tree dude
I just mentioned Beck because you sound like a garden variety conservative who gets all his talking points and hate from right wing media. Just spitting out hate at "those damn liberals", even though the Republican Party in the US is totally crooked and fucked up too. Just taking a one-sided stance.
And this salt story was so ridiculous, it sounded like something a right wing journotainer would come up with.
And you are pushing this salt story and claiming that most liberals want to ban salt. I just had to call bullshit on it.
You just sounded like a Glen Beck fan with your hatred of liberals, ignorance and illogical arguements. Forgive me for being mistaken sir.
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i dont like rep or libs they are all crooked money grubbing thugs in suits ,
BINGO.
Revolt against the government. Not one political party.
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bro i hate just about all polititians right now left , right, whatever, i just wish people followed the constitution and the founding fathers, things could really be very simple if they did, i honestly wish ross perot was still involved with things and going to run.....
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bro i hate just about all polititians right now left , right, whatever, i just wish people followed the constitution and the founding fathers, things could really be very simple if they did, i honestly wish ross perot was still involved with things and going to run.....
You wish Ross controlled all salt production...
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you can look at my past posts i have said shit about bush that deserved saying too, and mclaime is a joke, just at this time it just so happens that the people in power and running shit are the libs so they are the one who get called on their shit, if it were repubs being thugs i wouldnt hold back on them, i just want gov out of my business that i own, my personal life and my wallet, people need to be accountable for themselves.
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Yeah the Libertarian Party is good and it is getting really popular really quick. It's a good mix of social liberalism and old school economic conservatism.
I avoid supporting any parties though. I can't really pick one party that is perfect, they all have flaws and strengths.
The ideals are great I think, but what they are missing is a few heavy hitters that have experience in front of the camera debating intelligently. The downfall is that the various outlets will not give them the opportunity to showcase what they are about. Ron Paul should go back to the Libertarian party and recruit some people with him.
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bro i hate just about all polititians right now left , right, whatever, i just wish people followed the constitution and the founding fathers, things could really be very simple if they did, i honestly wish ross perot was still involved with things and going to run.....
That's good, I thought Perot seemed to have a lot of sense too.
Just remember, every top level politician is crooked these days and both sides are working together. There is no "liberals and conservatives", because these two sides are planning out everything in secret meetings and they are on the same page. This whole Liberal vs. Conservative thing is just social engineering, designed to distract Americans.
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ron paul is a cool guy i got to speak to him a few times in down town ft worth, great ideas too, he cares about america and americans
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i think when congresses approval as a hole is 17% and thats coming from left and right news outlets, america should be able to just clean the slate and get new elected people in there asap
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i think when congresses approval as a hole is 17% and thats coming from left and right news outlets, america should be able to just clean the slate and get new elected people in there asap
no doubt about it. These backroom deals and corrupted officials are so deeply embedded in the system nothing short of a massive firing would clean it up.
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maybe that would send a messege to future polititians for years to come if they knew that the slate could be washed clean